trial community dying on console

Foxic · June 2017

Vaoh wrote: »

WarpigFunk wrote: »

The big issue on console is refresh rate.

It's not super shocking that most if not all of the players in vHoF guilds are burnt on vmol and crag trials and dont run them as much ...
But what we should have, to keep it competitive is new guilds and new teams coming up behind getting into this content and eventually pushing scores, which will then entice the older guilds to come back and make a statement here and there.

Having the crag trials leaderboards only offer crag trial loot is one major drawback for going back in there, not "wasting" resources on meaningless score runs while you're running progression teams in hof is another .... but also, putting up a decent score for the millionth time, and not having any new heads coming up challenging these scores is the real gorilla in the room.

The endgame community on PS4 NA in particular is so small and contained at the moment, everyone basically knows everyone else - it just seems like, rather than a flowing river this community has become a slowly shrinking ice cube- it does not self replenish. Theres just not a lot of good players coming up from the lower tiers and making their own teams or refreshing the lost players from other teams.
A moderate but noticeable amount of good end game top tier players left with this patch ... and far fewer new players showed up to replace them.

Bottom line if you're not TF, HS, RN, whatever blue team is becoming, FC, BIO, or maybe a tiny handful of other up and coming teams or social guild teams offshot from the above teams - you have essentially zero shot at finishing a vHoF any time soon - and more importantly your team probably cant even clear Maw anymore. Theres less than 10 teams total comprising the "end-end game" community. And there's no core of competent players (particularly support roles) coming up to supplement or challenge them.

Not sure if this is because of the over abundance of changes making the barriers to entry in vet trial scores absurdly high for newer players, or what it is ... but thats the issue I see. Not very many new heads in the console end game community... so when a couple people decide to leave for whatever reason - that absence is felt.

@WarpigFunk you are 100% correct. Ty for laying it out so well!

Also there are a few more of our high-end players who have just left a few days ago too things are not getting better atm unless some magically great players start showing up to fill missing spots. Look at how empty all of the leaderboards are rn! It's kinda crazy to see.

Pcna is doing terribly right now as well. There are only 2 guilds I would consider competitive.

Balamoor · June 2017

I love how perceptions and hyperbole get magically turned into facts on gaming forums.

Tan9oSuccka · June 2017

For me personally, trials take far too long to even form...let alone run.

I'd rather do pretty much anything else. Far too much standing, waiting, DC's, players dropping in and out. Did I mention waiting?

kylewwefan · June 2017

Vet Trials are too hard. They really outdid themselves revamping everything's to V16 or CP160 now. Consider every time going into a vet trial to be going into VetTrials with people that have never been to one.

Unless your in an active Trials guild. Then you're kind of different. The Trials guild I'm in is totally cool and I relish every opportunity I get to run with them.

I have my regular social guild and there's tons of cool people.....differently geared maybe? Vet content with them can be challenging sometimes, but their my people and I'll try my best to run with them.

How about trial mechanics. Have you ever got to end of nMoL and no one knows how to run. Let's say the raid has already been going on over an hour. Do you leave in disgust or stick it out and see how the group handles lunar phase. :'(

There's a mark, and it's not what you see on the forums. Honestly I know very few people at or above 30k DPS on the skele. Probably most from Trials guild. The real average player is more like 15K~20K selfbuffed DPS on the skeleton.

My Trials guild can clear nMoL in like 25 minutes tops. They are awesome. This can be an endeavor with social guilds that just want to run it for fun.

Trials guild are working hard on HOF atm is likely why so many others aren't posting scores.

FlyLionel · June 2017

kylewwefan wrote: »

Vet Trials are too hard. They really outdid themselves revamping everything's to V16 or CP160 now. Consider every time going into a vet trial to be going into VetTrials with people that have never been to one.

Unless your in an active Trials guild. Then you're kind of different. The Trials guild I'm in is totally cool and I relish every opportunity I get to run with them.

I have my regular social guild and there's tons of cool people.....differently geared maybe? Vet content with them can be challenging sometimes, but their my people and I'll try my best to run with them.

How about trial mechanics. Have you ever got to end of nMoL and no one knows how to run. Let's say the raid has already been going on over an hour. Do you leave in disgust or stick it out and see how the group handles lunar phase. :'(

There's a mark, and it's not what you see on the forums. Honestly I know very few people at or above 30k DPS on the skele. Probably most from Trials guild. The real average player is more like 15K~20K selfbuffed DPS on the skeleton.

My Trials guild can clear nMoL in like 25 minutes tops. They are awesome. This can be an endeavor with social guilds that just want to run it for fun.

Trials guild are working hard on HOF atm is likely why so many others aren't posting scores.

Most of the players/guilds I know and are in are busy with BGs/HOF/Moving to PVP and or adjusting to all their character variations to get optimal DPS. Including myself. Let this be a big concern in a month or so.

Phatmattfu · June 2017

If they ever learn how to program group finder, they should think about adding the normal trials to it and see how it goes.

As someone who has never trialed, but will be wanting to in the near future, it would be a good way for people to get their feet wet. As the person above mentioned, no one likes standing around waiting for groups.

Sure it'd probably be a sh*tshow, but people would learn eventually.

It would help casuals gain confidence to step up to the vet modes.

idk · June 2017

While I doubt the leaderboard was an all time low score as I fully expect leaderboard have not filled before, I doubt what OP is seeing is the raid community dying.

1. Since the weekly rewards are now from the weekly raid rather than the newest trial I expect there is less incentive to do the weekly.
2. More the issue is a number of guilds can not make the leaderboard with the changes. It's no different than when the craglorn trials were scaled to CP160 last year. It took some time for some groups to clear it again.

DjMuscleboy02 · June 2017

Vaoh wrote: »

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Sheva I 7 I wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

Sheva I 7 I wrote: »

All time low scores on weekly last week, nobody really wants to raid and maelstrom leaderboards are struggling to even find 100 people to complete maelstrom.

Untrue. The lower scores are all because the usual suspects at the top of the leaderboards are all progressing vHoF.

lol nobody is spending all their time in vHoF, lots of people quit/not doing trials anymore

^^^I've lost some good friends this patch who were top tier raiders. Sad times

As one of those top tier raiders since One Tamriel, I have also stopped running trials for the most part. I'll only show up if a group needs help in vHoF.

People don't like the new focus on heavy attacks. These boss fights in vHoF are taking a long time to finish because everyone is dealing very low DPS compared to last patch. Even worse, there are tons of resource-draining mechanics.

Casting Liquid Lightning+Blockade of Fire+maybe a few other DoTs -> Heavy Attack spam -> repeat for 10-15min is ridiculous tbh. It tires people out very quickly on wipes as well.

@Vaoh Hm? What are you talking about? According to someone apart of 1 of the top 3 end-game guilds on PS4-NA I spoke to, damage is at an all time high with this update. And how 38k is the bare minimum required to be apart of 1 of those 3 guilds if you're a Sorcerer, with 40k being the minimum if you're a PetSorc. This is because supposedly the content is dramatically easier with everyone being boosted in power and all. /sarcasm (although I really was told that ignorant bs by that person however)

The truth of the matter is, people are fed-up with things as a whole. People are fed-up with the horrible RNG, the numerous bugs and glitches, the elitist and snobby guilds, and overall parroting of the "meta" that goes on day and night. And honestly? I don't blame them. It took me leaving the game entirely (as in uninstalling) to truly enjoy ESO upon coming back, and having a great experience whenever I play. Too much of anything is no good, and I admittedly was too obsessed with ESO. I played it far too much, and thus involved me investing way too much time and emotionally attachment to the game and community as a whole. Which is why I'd have so many posts that were so controversial in the past. It was a steady build-up of stuff, and I just ultimately exploded. Nowadays...? I'm loving every bit of ESO. Community and all.

Pretty much this. Damage isn't the issue, and in Halls it's definitely l2p not stupid mechanics. Our boss two day 1 fight probably took us 15+ minutes (with like 0 deaths actually when we finally beat it), last night it took 6 and a half with some awful luck (we choked) at the end that added a solid 30 seconds. I'm parsing 54k on a 51m dummy with group buffs with no vma staff on my dk, 47k on a pet sorc running e drain myself, 40k on a stamplar solo without major fracture, I could go on.

Honestly on Xbox NA there are several trials guilds making a return from what I've heard. There are several new guilds forming as well. Compare this to Homestead where there were literally 3-4 stable raid guilds and only 1 competing for #1 spots and the raid community at least is not in a terrible place right now. Currently there's 3-4 guilds capable of putting up #1 spots and two currently trading Halls top spots with those scores climbing to nearing 100k, there's at least 5-6 guilds I can think of that are on the rise and able to easily post near 100k non hm vmol scores.

People are just doing other things right now. We just had a major patch that added a new trial, new class, new story and people are wanting to experience and work on those. Once people get comfortable in Halls and play their Wardens some, I'm sure vma/weekly/old trial scores will shoot up. I know I haven't done nearly anything outside of Halls/testing characters and builds since the patch. I've not done VHR at all, I hopped in one AA last boss instance, vmol like 3 times, and a drunk VSO run for a weekly last week. Not to mention I haven't stepped foot in BGs or Cyrodil at all since the update. This was an enormous patch, give it some some to settle in and it'll get better.

Omg..... do not try to flex your DPS numbers at me. People hate when you try this stuff and it does not bring validity to your claims. It also seems to have flown past your head that there was a "/sarcasm" at the end of paragraph that was in agreement with what you just wrote seriously

You say that on Xbox NA the trials community is thriving? This is contrary to all other platforms, and from what I've heard from the actual raiders on your platform themselves, it is simply untrue. Numerous raiders left with Morrowind as is true with all platforms.

Also you're saying that Xbox NA has multiple guilds that have placed near 100K vHoF scores. Are you joking me right now?? My team earned the first vHoF complete across all console servers, and we are not even remotely close to that. We won't be for a long time since we still struggle with 4th boss and have 0 Vitality all of the time.... vHoF has an FPS issue that makes it a nightmare. If the 4th boss isn't beaten in 1 try it seems to progressively get much more difficult due to game performance. Also there is a bug with the last boss not giving you any points (or something wierd like this) found when our group completed with 0 Vitality quicker than another guild but earned a lower score by like 13K (their score being like 16K) xD

......but magically Xbox NA has totally exploded in popularity, a bunch of guilds are totally crushing vMoL now (they still farm run this rn?) and vHoF is being completed with high Vitality in under an hour. I don't think anyone who understands what this means would buy it.

Feel free to post screenshots of those sub-100K vHoF scores though if it is true from the Xbox NA server. You can prove me wrong quite easily by doing that. It just really annoys me when people write up posts like you have that no one asked for which randomly say everything is fantastic, and that you've got great DPS numbers like it means anything in an actual raid, all with zero proof to back anything up.

Wow, what a hostile response, hardly warranted at all. I wasn't flexing numbers, I was making a point but sure. Also your guild was not the first guild on console to beat Halls either, mine was. Xbox NA currently has a 75k score and a 61k (that would have been much much higher had a healer not dced and a botched pull ruined it.) There will be 90k scores in the next couple days as we are beginning to finish with vitality.

Edit: Oh we also had second complete too, and almost third before any other guild on console lmfao

Dantaria · June 2017

kylewwefan wrote: »

How about trial mechanics. Have you ever got to end of nMoL and no one knows how to run. Let's say the raid has already been going on over an hour. Do you leave in disgust or stick it out and see how the group handles lunar phase. :'(

Ahahaha, awwwwwww

Yes, actually - I did

Lunar is easy-peasy on normal. It's absolutely not the problem - if these tiny adorable newbies made it to this point, they will pass Lunar. The problem are runners, honestly. If noone in the group can run - then you're in trouble. Big trouble.

Usually when I'm (and also some vet guys from my guild) in the mood and have time for total-n00bz-nMoL, we run ourselves. Feels kinda cruel to bump everything on them on their 1st time. If you go with us for 2+ time - welcome to Backroom, I'll show you the path. But 1st-timers? Nah, I'll run myself. But I will only run, so deal with Rakkhat yourself, guys, good luck

Lunar in nMoL with n00bz is honestly adorable

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

By selling things you are directly hurting yourself. I could care less about people selling gear but titles and skins? Work for it. Don't have time? You don't deserve it. "I hate pve lol carry me" No. You want it? Earn it. Struggle like everyone else did/does. I find it repulsive when I see high end guilds take the gold of people just because they are lazy and don't want to work for it.

Sorry I just get irritated with stuff like this. I earned my skin and I get beyond irked when I see someone I know that paid and was carried act like they beat it. It's another reason why I said screw it and went back to pvp.

You know, I would agree with you 2 months ago... But now? Now if someone offers to carry me, I honestly would agree. And feel no remorse whatsoever.

If there were enough progression groups of different levels for vMoL - yes, "go earn it". But in reality? You spend much more time, effort and nerves on simply finding a group and getting a spot than actually completing vMoL. It's honestly ridiculous.

POps75p · June 2017

Vipstaakki wrote: »

Come over to the PC.

I wish we had the ability to transfer all of setups to the PC

Unfadingsilence · June 2017

Same for Xbox NA as well

Eleusian · June 2017

VMA almost 2 years old , craglorn trials are 3. Maw is over a year now. HOF is behind expansion pay wall. Who cares trials are dead. It's old content , do the quests and be happy as a pig in slop.

Sk0n3ny · June 2017

Xbox LFG Is a great way to get trial groups together. The posts spread to anyone that is playing ESO that is using the LFG tool. Performance is also an issue as well as the new content so will take some time for ZENIMAX to get up to par maybe a few years from now.

KingJ · June 2017

I'm just waiting for PUBG to come out later this year.

WarpigFunk · June 2017

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

And then we have guilds selling skins and runs. I find this super hurtful to the community. They aren't encouraging people to try to make a team and learn the trials. People complain so much about there being no competition except for like 4 guilds.

By selling things you are directly hurting yourself. I could care less about people selling gear but titles and skins? Work for it. Don't have time? You don't deserve it. "I hate pve lol carry me" No. You want it? Earn it. Struggle like everyone else did/does. I find it repulsive when I see high end guilds take the gold of people just because they are lazy and don't want to work for it.

Sorry I just get irritated with stuff like this. I earned my skin and I get beyond irked when I see someone I know that paid and was carried act like they beat it. It's another reason why I said screw it and went back to pvp.

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That's totally understandable to feel that way about the money carry dynamics ... however it's worth mentioning that the cost of participating in endgame progression and score runs at the higher levels is absurd. Tanks need tons of gear and gold mats, same with healers and even DPS to a lesser degree ... potions, food, mats, repairs ... it can all get super daunting. It's a very practical and logical offshoot of the economics of endgame for the top teams to leverage what they have become exceedingly good at (i/e murdering content) for profit to supplement their ability to murder more content.

It's a case of hate the game, not the player.

You're lucky to find Cornflower for 300g a pop on PS4 NA... more often it's selling for 500-800g each. You can go through 100-300 spell power pots in a single progression session if you're pushing it hard for several hours on content you havent figured out yet. And you're not getting anything of value out of it other than experience. What would you have people do?

Vercingetorix · June 2017

Trial Community Dying on ESO

FTFY

It's not just consoles, it's the entire game. The sustain changes and class nerfs turned a lot of people away from the endgame or just the game in general. Even I am starting to get bored with the game because I don't fancy having to equip a lightning staff just to be able to do DPS.

There's no more build diversity, the Warden class isn't robust enough for DPS, Dungeon queues are STILL broken, trials on console are laggy beyond frustrating levels, and lastly.... ZoS is doing nothing to communicate to the player base with regards to these issues.

The console population will continue to slowly drop off, but if ZoS wants to keep those players, they need to start helping us and communicating solutions - not excuses or unrequested nerfs/changes.

Ep1kMalware · June 2017

Vaoh wrote: »

PS4 NA server

Maelstrom Arena (Veteran) Leaderboards:

• Dragonknight, 62 participants, lowest score is 260227
• Sorcerer, 100 participants, lowest score is 520463
• Nightblade, 100 participants, lowest score is 416670
• Templar, 69 participants, lowest score is 357
• Warden, 47 participants, lowest score is 371

Many of the participating players are repeats - the same people placing their name multiple times using different characters. The participant count is far lower than it looks.

To say that the endgame community is in a bad place right now would be an understatement.

Yup. Performance issues and bugs are also keeping alot of people out of trials.

Btw @zos. Know how many wardens are going for high score runs? Take a guess.

BlazingDynamo · June 2017

Best solution in my opinion is to spend the money to make a mega server and merge both NA and EU on each platform.

This could easily count as a quarterly update. Would make a lot of people happy. Or course enough people on the forums would fuss over it.

Tandor · June 2017

Cocorocho wrote: »

I think the overall player numbers are dropping not just pve community.

Bear in mind that it's Summer - currently a heatwave in a lot of places in Europe, don't know about the US - and with Morrowind only recently launched there will be a lot of endgame players running around Vvardenfell and leveling wardens. On top of all that the build changes will be occupying a lot of the endgame players no doubt. Then there are battlegrounds. It's not surprising if the trials are slack at the moment.

hamburgerler76 · June 2017

Cuss they are so hard to group for guild who do run them have their set group and rarely take new ppl and and there is no lfg for them not to mention you get bad fps in them

Oompuh · June 2017

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Sheva I 7 I wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

Sheva I 7 I wrote: »

All time low scores on weekly last week, nobody really wants to raid and maelstrom leaderboards are struggling to even find 100 people to complete maelstrom.

Untrue. The lower scores are all because the usual suspects at the top of the leaderboards are all progressing vHoF.

lol nobody is spending all their time in vHoF, lots of people quit/not doing trials anymore

^^^I've lost some good friends this patch who were top tier raiders. Sad times

As one of those top tier raiders since One Tamriel, I have also stopped running trials for the most part. I'll only show up if a group needs help in vHoF.

People don't like the new focus on heavy attacks. These boss fights in vHoF are taking a long time to finish because everyone is dealing very low DPS compared to last patch. Even worse, there are tons of resource-draining mechanics.

Casting Liquid Lightning+Blockade of Fire+maybe a few other DoTs -> Heavy Attack spam -> repeat for 10-15min is ridiculous tbh. It tires people out very quickly on wipes as well.

@Vaoh Hm? What are you talking about? According to someone apart of 1 of the top 3 end-game guilds on PS4-NA I spoke to, damage is at an all time high with this update. And how 38k is the bare minimum required to be apart of 1 of those 3 guilds if you're a Sorcerer, with 40k being the minimum if you're a PetSorc. This is because supposedly the content is dramatically easier with everyone being boosted in power and all. /sarcasm (although I really was told that ignorant bs by that person however)

The truth of the matter is, people are fed-up with things as a whole. People are fed-up with the horrible RNG, the numerous bugs and glitches, the elitist and snobby guilds, and overall parroting of the "meta" that goes on day and night. And honestly? I don't blame them. It took me leaving the game entirely (as in uninstalling) to truly enjoy ESO upon coming back, and having a great experience whenever I play. Too much of anything is no good, and I admittedly was too obsessed with ESO. I played it far too much, and thus involved me investing way too much time and emotionally attachment to the game and community as a whole. Which is why I'd have so many posts that were so controversial in the past. It was a steady build-up of stuff, and I just ultimately exploded. Nowadays...? I'm loving every bit of ESO. Community and all.

Pretty much this. Damage isn't the issue, and in Halls it's definitely l2p not stupid mechanics. Our boss two day 1 fight probably took us 15+ minutes (with like 0 deaths actually when we finally beat it), last night it took 6 and a half with some awful luck (we choked) at the end that added a solid 30 seconds. I'm parsing 54k on a 51m dummy with group buffs with no vma staff on my dk, 47k on a pet sorc running e drain myself, 40k on a stamplar solo without major fracture, I could go on.

Honestly on Xbox NA there are several trials guilds making a return from what I've heard. There are several new guilds forming as well. Compare this to Homestead where there were literally 3-4 stable raid guilds and only 1 competing for #1 spots and the raid community at least is not in a terrible place right now. Currently there's 3-4 guilds capable of putting up #1 spots and two currently trading Halls top spots with those scores climbing to nearing 100k, there's at least 5-6 guilds I can think of that are on the rise and able to easily post near 100k non hm vmol scores.

People are just doing other things right now. We just had a major patch that added a new trial, new class, new story and people are wanting to experience and work on those. Once people get comfortable in Halls and play their Wardens some, I'm sure vma/weekly/old trial scores will shoot up. I know I haven't done nearly anything outside of Halls/testing characters and builds since the patch. I've not done VHR at all, I hopped in one AA last boss instance, vmol like 3 times, and a drunk VSO run for a weekly last week. Not to mention I haven't stepped foot in BGs or Cyrodil at all since the update. This was an enormous patch, give it some some to settle in and it'll get better.

Omg..... do not try to flex your DPS numbers at me. People hate when you try this stuff and it does not bring validity to your claims. It also seems to have flown past your head that there was a "/sarcasm" at the end of paragraph that was in agreement with what you just wrote seriously

You say that on Xbox NA the trials community is thriving? This is contrary to all other platforms, and from what I've heard from the actual raiders on your platform themselves, it is simply untrue. Numerous raiders left with Morrowind as is true with all platforms.

Also you're saying that Xbox NA has multiple guilds that have placed near 100K vHoF scores. Are you joking me right now?? My team earned the first vHoF complete across all console servers, and we are not even remotely close to that. We won't be for a long time since we still struggle with 4th boss and have 0 Vitality all of the time.... vHoF has an FPS issue that makes it a nightmare. If the 4th boss isn't beaten in 1 try it seems to progressively get much more difficult due to game performance. Also there is a bug with the last boss not giving you any points (or something wierd like this) found when our group completed with 0 Vitality quicker than another guild but earned a lower score by like 13K (their score being like 16K) xD

......but magically Xbox NA has totally exploded in popularity, a bunch of guilds are totally crushing vMoL now (they still farm run this rn?) and vHoF is being completed with high Vitality in under an hour. I don't think anyone who understands what this means would buy it.

Feel free to post screenshots of those sub-100K vHoF scores though if it is true from the Xbox NA server. You can prove me wrong quite easily by doing that. It just really annoys me when people write up posts like you have that no one asked for which randomly say everything is fantastic, and that you've got great DPS numbers like it means anything in an actual raid, all with zero proof to back anything up.

Wow, what a hostile response, hardly warranted at all. I wasn't flexing numbers, I was making a point but sure. Also your guild was not the first guild on console to beat Halls either, mine was. Xbox NA currently has a 75k score and a 61k (that would have been much much higher had a healer not dced and a botched pull ruined it.) There will be 90k scores in the next couple days as we are beginning to finish with vitality.

Edit: Oh we also had second complete too, and almost third before any other guild on console lmfao

Since when was Major slayer "your guild"? Half of its members completed it first on PTS, then PC, and came to do it on Xbox. Talking about an unfair advantage...

Izaki · June 2017

Vaoh wrote: »

kuro-dono wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Sheva I 7 I wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

Sheva I 7 I wrote: »

All time low scores on weekly last week, nobody really wants to raid and maelstrom leaderboards are struggling to even find 100 people to complete maelstrom.

Untrue. The lower scores are all because the usual suspects at the top of the leaderboards are all progressing vHoF.

lol nobody is spending all their time in vHoF, lots of people quit/not doing trials anymore

^^^I've lost some good friends this patch who were top tier raiders. Sad times

As one of those top tier raiders since One Tamriel, I have also stopped running trials for the most part. I'll only show up if a group needs help in vHoF.

People don't like the new focus on heavy attacks. These boss fights in vHoF are taking a long time to finish because everyone is dealing very low DPS compared to last patch. Even worse, there are tons of resource-draining mechanics.

Casting Liquid Lightning+Blockade of Fire+maybe a few other DoTs -> Heavy Attack spam -> repeat for 10-15min is ridiculous tbh. It tires people out very quickly on wipes as well.

the endgame population doesnt like this. the casuals/normal beings are having more than fun, but yeah they dont fancy trials or ego boosting. SADLY. atleast 80% of population is filthy casuals, i think zenimax is trying to get rid of power creep by getting rid of elites. no elites, no mega derp dps. and no epic e peen heroes soloing dungeons either. thats like an hard reset without doing anything for zenimax, pretty clever.

Well from what I have heard, the "casual" players don't like this very much either. Dungeon difficulty as a whole has increased. You ever tried Group Finder? It's a nightmare, and that is assuming you can even find a group. Sustain is tougher than before. Also Bow heavies cannot be held anymore, which is pretty terrible for immersion.....

I don't care that resources were nerfed, but rather that we cannot sustain great like before even if you have organized group resource synergies being used constantly.

My sustain is more than fine

bebynnag · June 2017

personally im unable to run vMA or trials at the moment, because im ginger & there's a heatwave in the UK i mean the fact that I have a concusion & a sprained wrist is a contributing factor but mainly its the evil ball of fire in the sky that hates all gingers!

Adernath · June 2017

Guys... it is summer out there (at least in the northern hemisphere)

Oompuh · June 2017

Adernath wrote: »

Guys... it is summer out there (at least in the northern hemisphere)

That means people are out of school/college and play more. MMO players don't go outside

Ep1kMalware · June 2017

Tandor wrote: »

Cocorocho wrote: »

I think the overall player numbers are dropping not just pve community.

Bear in mind that it's Summer - currently a heatwave in a lot of places in Europe, don't know about the US - and with Morrowind only recently launched there will be a lot of endgame players running around Vvardenfell and leveling wardens. On top of all that the build changes will be occupying a lot of the endgame players no doubt. Then there are battlegrounds. It's not surprising if the trials are slack at the moment.

No they aint. Nobody wants to play the *** warden. Many people are leveling them up ti gettem on vma weeklies to show off but that has nothing to do with trials. They're just very.. niche.

Despite zos gutting other classes to try and make warden appealing, only low level role players are using it. And if zos takes the same iniative over forcing us to play exactlt how they want us to play (remember recovery glyphs), then they're either going to buff everything because they took a wrong approach, or just nerf the other classes until people play warden.

Torbschka · June 2017

Imo the game is dying anyway on console, if destiny 2 / anthem / bdo drops the game will be pretty much dead on console.

They had their chance , but after 2 years of playing with 20 fps in trials / pvp, the 30 fps of destiny feeling like 100.

CastaLyron · June 2017

For me its a time issue, simply dont have the time to sink into trials. Quite many years ago I was doing top tier raiding in wow, but at that time you pretty much had to dedicate your life to the game to do it. In the end I burned out, this was not appealing for me, reward < fun.
Nowadays with a family i also have to prioritise my time more, and its easy to spot these obvious time sinks, luckily theres is other things to enjoy in eso. I wont even bother to try.

Uviryth · June 2017

MyKillv2.0 wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Trexton wrote: »

Never understood why they aren't merged like FF 14.

Because PC has macro's and cheat engine.

We don't want that trash on console.

This. If they ever merge, I will quit on the spot.

Me too, I dont wanna bunch of gamepadplayers with me in PvE/PVP, walking and fighting like they are rowing through mud/are a little bit slow, not typing anything in chat like a Zombie. Leave the consoleplayers where they are.

Ch4mpTW · June 2017

Uviryth wrote: »

MyKillv2.0 wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Trexton wrote: »

Never understood why they aren't merged like FF 14.

Because PC has macro's and cheat engine.

We don't want that trash on console.

This. If they ever merge, I will quit on the spot.

Me too, I dont wanna bunch of gamepadplayers with me in PvE/PVP, walking and fighting like they are rowing through mud/are a little bit slow, not typing anything in chat like a Zombie. Leave the consoleplayers where they are.

... Really? Are you serious? Someone come get they mans. They're lost.