Crown Store Item Suggestion - Instant Level 1 to 50 (MUST be champion rank on X characters)

Darkstorne · June 2017

Keep_Door wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

The whole point of leveling (especially alts) is to learn the class you're playing. If a player played stamina nightblade pve dps until end game and then decided they want to try tanking on a DK and got to max level with a crown store purchase and then went into a dungeon (possibly veteran or DLC) without playing that character once, it would probably be an absolute disaster.

You can learn a class without leveling it i mean ffs half the time while levling you only have half of your abilities.

If you were able to start of with your whole tool kit from the start dont you think you would be able to learn your rotation and start affectively starting your endgame build?

All that doesnt even matter because in OPs suggestion you woould still have to level your skills and get the skill points in turn "learning" that class.

@Keep_Door Yep, this definitely isn't the solution to the problem. ZOS just need to rebalance the rate of levelling, and especially the speed at which players unlock skills. New players don't have the luxury of crafting full sets of training gear every 10 levels, or the damage bonuses of CP unlocks, so it's an incredibly slow process for them to grind through 1-50. And even when they finally reach 50 they're told "Congrats! Now go grind another ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY Champion Levels and you can finally start to enjoy end game and look for gear!"

Suggestions:

Speed up 1-50 XP gain. We can quest anywhere, at any time, and character progression continues after 50 thanks to CP, so there's no need to make an alliance quest line perfectly last from 1-50 any more.
Speed up skill unlocks, at least for weapon and class skill lines. Having key abilities locked away until level 42 in each class is insane. Drop those to lower skill level requirements.
Remove CP levels from gear. It's not even remotely fun having to continue grinding to CP160. Players know their class by level 50. CP160 gear should just become level 50 gear. CP points still add to character progression, and new gear sets, crafted sets, dungeon sets, monster sets, means we've got a unique gear collection system in this game unlike other MMOs which make you replace everything with each new expansion just because another 10 levels have been applied to the newly added gear.

staracino_ESO · June 2017

90% of the content worth seeing in this game is the quests and writing. People already miss that point by grinding dolmens or skyreach. You may as well save yourself the money and just not purchase the game if you want to jump to max level.

Volsunga · June 2017

People seriously need to stop, take a deep breath and a step back.

If you don't like/have no fun/dislike how the game is and like it is intended to be played, just don't play it and stop trying to spoil it for everyone who enjoy it.

There is already CP bound to account, which is awful in my opinion, isn't it enough ? Level progression is even way too fast like it is. I couldn't understand grinders already, but I don't mind they play like they want. This however, this is another level.

Hallothiel · June 2017

Why not just play the damn game?

Fang_of_Lorkhaj · June 2017

Welcome to an MMORPG! No place for someone who is lazy. Grind grind grind.

ProfesseurFreder · June 2017

No.

And not ever gonna happen.

Lazy.

Taleof2Cities · June 2017

All I see is unmitigated whining in this thread ...

Illurian · June 2017

Rainwhisper wrote: »

Illurian wrote: »

Rainwhisper wrote: »

The reason you need to level you characters is not just the to learn to play your class. This is not a first-person shooter. This is a roleplaying game. In a roleplaying game, you gradually develop a character over time. You explore a world with them and shape their identity through that exploration.

"End-game" content is not the only content in the game. In fact, it's a small part of it.

Except this isn't just a "roleplaying" game. This is an MMO.

Who's to say that you can't choose to "develop" your character after max level? You will still need to go through zones to get skyshards anyway. But at least you have the choice to do end game content or "roleplay" and "develop" your character. You know, play how you want?

It's an MMO RPG. Not a MOBA or a shooter.

"Developing" your character includes the experience of starting them with minimal skills, and having them gradually grow more powerful as you add new ones. It's fundamental to the genre.

You might have a point if you were talking about a player's first character, but for alts? Absolutely not "fundamental" whatsoever. Simply saying it is fundamental doesn't make it so.

You are focusing far too much on the RPG and not at all on the MMO aspect. It is common practice in MMOs to have multiple characters but play with the same friends. This is highly diminished and made unappealing when you have to perform mind-numbing, painfully repetitive quests/grinding in order to level an alt up. Keep in mind that you would have already done all of this on your main.

I will never understand people like you. "I don't want it, so no one else can have it".

Ionhip · June 2017

Old player dislikes this but for new player is good thing. Anyways thats destroys game play 1-50!!!

zaria · June 2017

Keep_Door wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

The whole point of leveling (especially alts) is to learn the class you're playing. If a player played stamina nightblade pve dps until end game and then decided they want to try tanking on a DK and got to max level with a crown store purchase and then went into a dungeon (possibly veteran or DLC) without playing that character once, it would probably be an absolute disaster.

You can learn a class without leveling it i mean ffs half the time while levling you only have half of your abilities.

If you were able to start of with your whole tool kit from the start dont you think you would be able to learn your rotation and start affectively starting your endgame build?

All that doesnt even matter because in OPs suggestion you woould still have to level your skills and get the skill points in turn "learning" that class.

Yes, you would run trough a lot of delves and public dungeons to get skill points.
This has to be done before you can do anything serious.
You would also have to level up skill lines, in fact an high cp player with no skills would have an problem.
Yes you can solve it in an dolmen zerg.

grim_tactics · June 2017

I laugh at the people who think this is a bad idea.

If I've put 100+ hours into a game and then want to make a new character I should be able to do so WITHOUT having to grind back to level 50.

It doesn't effect any of you anyways so what's the big deal?

OP - I agree we need a way to get to level 50 with new toons without being forced to level all over again.

Those saying it's to learn the class - I can learn what skills and rotations to use in 5 minutes from videos and forum posts.

Jollygoodusername · June 2017

ESO players are punished for creating alts. Just roll a Sorcerer for your first character and stick with it, you'll be aces!

Insandros · June 2017

Do people actualy read back their stuff or think twice before posting stupid request?

Dude, no offence, but you just earned the most absurd and stupid request ever asked in all MMOs forums i've ever, ever, ever seen. Leveling a class and toon is part of the process and fun of disocovering skills and learning it. To be honest, i didn't even waste my time reading all the comments, nor ever further than your first paragraph original post, just the simple title was enough. Take it the good side, you already have the option to start at lvl 3, isn'T that enough for you?

I've seen people crying about CP, yeah, it's long, but going from 1 to 50 is so easy.

BTW, if you like starting a character with full capacity at the start, i can give you my old Nintendo NES with Super Mario Bros, he comes fully leveled, no questing needed to be like end-game characters, no grinding required, no shards to gather, what you start with is what you finish up with :P I just leveled my 6th lvl 50 toons 2 days ago, my second Warden since eraly-aces releases on PC, and no way, i would like to get a lvl 50 while starting up.

Illurian · June 2017

Insandros wrote: »

Do people actualy read back their stuff or think twice before posting stupid request?

#irony

Insandros wrote: »

Dude, no offence, but you just earned the most absurd and stupid request ever asked in all MMOs forums i've ever, ever, ever seen. Leveling a class and toon is part of the process and fun of disocovering skills and learning it. To be honest, i didn't even waste my time reading all the comments, nor ever further than your first paragraph original post, just the simple title was enough. Take it the good side, you already have the option to start at lvl 3, isn'T that enough for you? I've seen people crying about CP, yeah, it's long, but going from 1 to 50 is so easy. BTW, if you like starting a character with full capacity at the start, i can give you my old Nintendo NES with Super Mario Bros, he comes fully leveled, no questing needed to be like end-game characters, no grinding required, no shards to gather, what you start with is what you finish up with :P I just leveled my 6th lvl 50 toons 2 days ago, my second Warden since eraly-aces releases on PC, and no way, i would like to get a lvl 50 while starting up.

I love the absurdity of saying "no offense" (yes, it's spelled with an s, not a c) and then saying something extremely offensive.

You have literally added nothing to the conversation except that you're a toxic little troll who doesn't know that most MMOs have an alt-friendly leveling system.

Huyen · June 2017

Just one word: nope!

code65536 · June 2017

Jollygoodusername wrote: »

ESO players are punished for creating alts. Just roll a Sorcerer for your first character and stick with it, you'll be aces!

Let me tell ya, kid, it used to be much worse.

Originally, there were vet ranks that you had to get per-character. The XP cost of each vet rank increased with rank, and the final ranks took millions of XP.

Then they made vet rank leveling much easier by making it flat 1 million XP per rank.

Then they reduced it to 850K XP per rank.

Then they removed vet ranks completely, so you only had to worry about 1-50.

Then they made all of the content scaled, so you no longer had content that you outleveled (and thus earned zero XP for), which made 1-50 level so much easier.

Compared to what it used to be, leveling a new character now is trivially easy. You think it's hard and that we're being "punished"? ROTFL. You haven't the faintest clue what "punished" can mean.

In fact, 1-50 leveling is so easy now that I don't even bother to do it. I just go into a zone and collect every skyshard (including below-ground ones), collect every Shalidor lore book, and complete every dolmen once (for Fighters Guild leveling). These are things that you have to do anyway. And just by doing those three things, I will be level 50 long before I run out of zones. No questing. No grinding. Just getting the bare essentials that I'd have to get anyway.

The people who load up on Ambrosia and go grinding in Skyreach are just wasting their time and doing things very inefficiently. Because after reaching 50, they'd still have to spend the time to get lore books, collect skyshards, etc.

Sheezabeast · June 2017

The Crown store is a "convenience" shop. It isn't meant to hand you a fully leveled character. It sells stuff to help you along the way, like the WW and Vamp bites, and XP scrolls and potions, besides the cosmetics. A fully leveled character would just be cancerous garbage...

Illurian · June 2017

Sheezabeast wrote: »

A fully leveled character would just be cancerous garbage...

How so? How does this affect you negatively as a player in any way?

Sevalaricgirl · June 2017

So what if it "would" happen. I like the idea because I simply can't stand that damned main quest nor can I stand the mages guild or the fighters guild quests. And I'm getting sick of starting a new character, heading to the main city, any city and getting the speak to the cloaked npc. Sick to death of the stupid soulless one. It was stupid to begin with and it's still stupid years later. If they had just followed the you're in jail and have to break out quest, like every Elder Scrolls game, I would be fine with it. I also think it's stupid that you can't abandon the damned quest. It's easy to level to 50 without doing it and after doing it twice, I don't want to do it again.

I would be happy if they let us choose what quests we want to do instead of having npcs run up to us and it instantly starts the quest. I love the game, I love the scenery, the music, but I the main quest is completely boring after doing it even one time, same with the mages guild and the fighters guild.

Juju_beans · June 2017

While I'm new to ESO I'm not new to MMO's.

Boosting toons destroyed WOW among other things.
And boosting toons has been part of wow for a few years now.

Don't do it to ESO..don't do it.

Illurian · June 2017

Juju_beans wrote: »

While I'm new to ESO I'm not new to MMO's.

Boosting toons destroyed WOW among other things.
And boosting toons has been part of wow for a few years now.

Don't do it to ESO..don't do it.

How did it destroy WoW? WoW is still the leading MMO after 10+ years.

GW2 has had it from launch and is a huge contender in the MMO market.

I've not seen a single legitimate post against it yet that has made any logical sense, or backed up with specific evidence. It's all baseless blanket statements. This isn't targeted at you specifically, but at the general response on this thread.

Sevalaricgirl · June 2017

Illurian wrote: »

Juju_beans wrote: »

While I'm new to ESO I'm not new to MMO's.

Boosting toons destroyed WOW among other things.
And boosting toons has been part of wow for a few years now.

Don't do it to ESO..don't do it.

How did it destroy WoW? WoW is still the leading MMO after 10+ years.

GW2 has had it from launch and is a huge contender in the MMO market.

I've not seen a single legitimate post against it yet that has made any logical sense, or backed up with specific evidence. It's all baseless blanket statements. This isn't targeted at you specifically, but at the general response on this thread.

It's also in SWTOR and it hasn't killed the game.

Acrolas · June 2017

Levels 25 through 45 are probably the most enjoyable in the game thanks to battle leveling.

I'd be okay with an Alliance War consumable that bumps you incrementally to level 10, so long as you could buy it or craft it. Those pre-Cyrodiil levels are pretty disposable.

Rainwhisper · June 2017

Illurian wrote: »

It is common practice in MMOs to have multiple characters but play with the same friends. This is highly diminished and made unappealing when you have to perform mind-numbing, painfully repetitive quests/grinding in order to level an alt up. Keep in mind that you would have already done all of this on your main.

But they resolved this beautifully with One Tamriel. The only content not available to run with your friends on a low-level alt is "end-game" content. The entire rest of the massive, beautifully written world can be shared by a level 5 player with a champ-level 600 player.

I don't understand why so many people think of end-game content as the only content in Tamriel.

Pwnyridah · June 2017

Worst. Idea. Ever.

Tryxus · June 2017

Levelling from 1-50 doesn't take much time, and with CP being account bound (unlike the former vet ranks that were char bound), there's no reason to create an item like that.

And you get to collect skill points, skyshards, loot, gold, etc, ... all while getting to know your character a bit better by going around and levelling

Kilandros · June 2017

Voxicity wrote: »

The whole point of leveling (especially alts) is to learn the class you're playing. If a player played stamina nightblade pve dps until end game and then decided they want to try tanking on a DK and got to max level with a crown store purchase and then went into a dungeon (possibly veteran or DLC) without playing that character once, it would probably be an absolute disaster.

Yeah that gameplay experience you get in Stonefalls is truly the difference maker when it comes to end-game content /s

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · June 2017

I made a new character yesterday, and in 5 hrs with a scroll I was level 25, halfway through to 50..

If you know what you are doing and have a person to partner with you, and know the area you will grind in (or have in the past) getting to CP (champion point) level is easy..

Yesterday I took my time, I know others who have leveled 1-50 in one day.. it's not that hard since One Tamriel, almost everywhere is a grind spot..

Juju_beans · June 2017

Illurian wrote: »

Juju_beans wrote: »

While I'm new to ESO I'm not new to MMO's.

Boosting toons destroyed WOW among other things.
And boosting toons has been part of wow for a few years now.

Don't do it to ESO..don't do it.

How did it destroy WoW? WoW is still the leading MMO after 10+ years.

GW2 has had it from launch and is a huge contender in the MMO market.

I've not seen a single legitimate post against it yet that has made any logical sense, or backed up with specific evidence. It's all baseless blanket statements. This isn't targeted at you specifically, but at the general response on this thread.

Well think of all the things you acquire as you level up. In the case of wow it's flight paths, faction rep, new skills/talents.
Bypass all that and you have a max level toon that you haven't played before with all these skills/talents, no rep and no fight paths(gained by exploration). Then you start seeing forum posts about "catch up" perks that many want because they never leveled up and got them along the way. You also start seeing posts on how more stuff needs to be account bound rather than character bound because they have so many characters and don't want to do content more than once.

You also end up with characters playing end game content with toons they never played before and are in learning mode.

The effects of character boosting on the game isn't something you see right away.

Sheezabeast · June 2017

Illurian wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

A fully leveled character would just be cancerous garbage...

How so? How does this affect you negatively as a player in any way?

It isn't about me, that's too narcissistic. It's about the health of the game. People who played WoW can attest to how terrible it is to be able to buy max level characters.

Basically it monetizes a max lvl character. People who buy accounts on the black market will be able to sell more accounts if they invest in max lvl characters and they get a bigger payout for the account they're selling.

Putting a price tag on a character by the game developer is like throwing up a white flag and proclaiming that there is no end game content, max is max.

It would hurt this game more than you think.