I've yet to see a build in which Shacklebreaker is mathematically the best set.

Magıc · June 2017

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

Not everyone runs shackle just to run witchmother. I run it with tristat for example and sustain just fine with enough damage vs anyone but other sorcs (that's a sorc problem though, sorc vs sorc this patch is completely stupid as neither can cut through the others shields).

Competent stam builds destroy sorcs but that's a thing no matter what build you run.

I bet you have great max stats. What else do you run with Shackle?

Next time I see you in twitch chat I'll show you a picture of the setup.

Killset · June 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

I was not prepared for the CP that reduces Regen.

I was not prepared....

That made me laugh... I know your pain.

Brrrofski · June 2017

We've had the patch a few days so I've been trying some things out. I like this set. A lot. Stck haijekos on it and an Stam class that uses a fair amount of magica can really benefit.

My Stam DK, it allowed me to run heavy in BGs with pretty good sustain. Usee it with bloodspawn and wearwolf hide with dubious throne.

Where it really shined was my stamblade. I refuse to be a proctato. So this with bone pirate (with dubious) and maelstrom 2h with master bow allows for some really nice stats. 32.5k Stam, 21k health, 2100 Stam regen, 3400 wd (out of stealth), 13k magica, 850 magica recovery. They're good stats for BGs. Like I said, I refuse to be a proctato.

Plus it's crafter so you can easilly go 5-1-1 if you wish. I like the set. Not sure if you'd need it in CP campaign, but for BGs it pretty awesome.

Waffennacht · June 2017

Got sick of losing in Battlegrounds. Made myself a set of breaker (don't have Amberplasm etc) put it on my mSorc with x5 alteration master and x2 max mag monster helm.

Now I'm getting top kills and actually doing well.

Kinda get the feeling BGs are gonna break down into: Stam proc NBs, mag Sorcs and the occasional mag NB bomber

Hutch679 · June 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

Got sick of losing in Battlegrounds. Made myself a set of breaker (don't have Amberplasm etc) put it on my mSorc with x5 alteration master and x2 max mag monster helm.

Now I'm getting top kills and actually doing well.

Kinda get the feeling BGs are gonna break down into: Stam proc NBs, mag Sorcs and the occasional mag NB bomber

The regen is so key... my first couple matches I found myself out of resources SO. DAMN. FAST.

Waffennacht · June 2017

Hutch679 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Got sick of losing in Battlegrounds. Made myself a set of breaker (don't have Amberplasm etc) put it on my mSorc with x5 alteration master and x2 max mag monster helm.

Now I'm getting top kills and actually doing well.

Kinda get the feeling BGs are gonna break down into: Stam proc NBs, mag Sorcs and the occasional mag NB bomber

The regen is so key... my first couple matches I found myself out of resources SO. DAMN. FAST.

I suppose another option could be running Regen pieces and DMG glyphs, I just wanted to play so I went with the first idea that came to mind

Hutch679 · June 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Got sick of losing in Battlegrounds. Made myself a set of breaker (don't have Amberplasm etc) put it on my mSorc with x5 alteration master and x2 max mag monster helm.

Now I'm getting top kills and actually doing well.

Kinda get the feeling BGs are gonna break down into: Stam proc NBs, mag Sorcs and the occasional mag NB bomber

The regen is so key... my first couple matches I found myself out of resources SO. DAMN. FAST.

I suppose another option could be running Regen pieces and DMG glyphs, I just wanted to play so I went with the first idea that came to mind

Play a few matches with full damage setup. You'll see what I mean. Yeach you'll get some kills I don't doubt that. But I promise you as soon as you get pressured by anything tank you're gonna be toast so quick.

Waffennacht · June 2017

Hutch679 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Got sick of losing in Battlegrounds. Made myself a set of breaker (don't have Amberplasm etc) put it on my mSorc with x5 alteration master and x2 max mag monster helm.

Now I'm getting top kills and actually doing well.

Kinda get the feeling BGs are gonna break down into: Stam proc NBs, mag Sorcs and the occasional mag NB bomber

The regen is so key... my first couple matches I found myself out of resources SO. DAMN. FAST.

I suppose another option could be running Regen pieces and DMG glyphs, I just wanted to play so I went with the first idea that came to mind

Play a few matches with full damage setup. You'll see what I mean. Yeach you'll get some kills I don't doubt that. But I promise you as soon as you get pressured by anything tank you're gonna be toast so quick.

Oh, what I meant was, ATM I have x2 mag Regen glyphs, and x2 mag monster pieces. I could up my DMG by approx 80 spell DMG per glyph just by changing a monster piece to Regen and a Regen glyph to spell DMG.

Edit would result in a slightly smaller shield, but MOAR DMG lol

Minno · June 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Got sick of losing in Battlegrounds. Made myself a set of breaker (don't have Amberplasm etc) put it on my mSorc with x5 alteration master and x2 max mag monster helm.

Now I'm getting top kills and actually doing well.

Kinda get the feeling BGs are gonna break down into: Stam proc NBs, mag Sorcs and the occasional mag NB bomber

The regen is so key... my first couple matches I found myself out of resources SO. DAMN. FAST.

I suppose another option could be running Regen pieces and DMG glyphs, I just wanted to play so I went with the first idea that came to mind

Play a few matches with full damage setup. You'll see what I mean. Yeach you'll get some kills I don't doubt that. But I promise you as soon as you get pressured by anything tank you're gonna be toast so quick.

Oh, what I meant was, ATM I have x2 mag Regen glyphs, and x2 mag monster pieces. I could up my DMG by approx 80 spell DMG per glyph just by changing a monster piece to Regen and a Regen glyph to spell DMG.

Edit would result in a slightly smaller shield, but MOAR DMG lol

Well the enchants give the most DMG next to a few select sets. If you are rocking 2 Regen sets, it might be better to rock all DMG enchants with a mag, thief or DMG mundas.

I'm in a similar boat, but I swapped one DMG for Regen enchant. But I'm running a conditional set that converts Stam into mag so it's not so cut &dry .

Vaoh · June 2017

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

The bottom line is that tri food is the most efficient set of stat bonuses in the game. Running witch mother or the stam equivalent costs you a set bonus of health and mana, each. And you only get 320 regen. It ends up being not worth it because there are so many good sustain sets which are worth equivalent or more regen: amber, Seducer, Magnus, lich, rose, etc.

Basically, the way to think about shackle is to rearrange the set bonuses:
Mana
Mana regen
Spell dmg
2k stam, stam regen, mana

Shackle one of the most efficient sets in terms of raw stats. Problem is, the extra stam doesn't help you after a certain amount (on a magicka build). Better to get more dmg or defense or sustain.

This is exactly why I'm confused. Stam builds don't need the extra max magicka, so Shackle becomes essentially a magicka set.

Magicka builds get better damage and sustain from other sets, so Shackle's purpose is the max stamina.

However, tristat food places you above the necessary stam level for magicka builds and is fantastically efficient.

People are viewing running Witchmother's as a luxury which Shackle enables for them, when in reality it's bistat or tristat food that are mathematically worth building around. Witchmother's is an undesirable compromise that you make when you can't build sufficient sustain to run max stat food and still deal damage.

^^yep

I also don't understand the big hype over Shacklebreaker either. To be clear, it isn't a bad set. I see it as a really nice Hybrid set for the most part.

The hype is just kind of too much for a set that provides you with easily outclassable stats. Anyway..... if people are running this and one less proc set I'm satisfied

I'll be running Seducer for now.

Waffennacht · June 2017

Vaoh wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

The bottom line is that tri food is the most efficient set of stat bonuses in the game. Running witch mother or the stam equivalent costs you a set bonus of health and mana, each. And you only get 320 regen. It ends up being not worth it because there are so many good sustain sets which are worth equivalent or more regen: amber, Seducer, Magnus, lich, rose, etc.

Basically, the way to think about shackle is to rearrange the set bonuses:
Mana
Mana regen
Spell dmg
2k stam, stam regen, mana

Shackle one of the most efficient sets in terms of raw stats. Problem is, the extra stam doesn't help you after a certain amount (on a magicka build). Better to get more dmg or defense or sustain.

This is exactly why I'm confused. Stam builds don't need the extra max magicka, so Shackle becomes essentially a magicka set.

Magicka builds get better damage and sustain from other sets, so Shackle's purpose is the max stamina.

However, tristat food places you above the necessary stam level for magicka builds and is fantastically efficient.

People are viewing running Witchmother's as a luxury which Shackle enables for them, when in reality it's bistat or tristat food that are mathematically worth building around. Witchmother's is an undesirable compromise that you make when you can't build sufficient sustain to run max stat food and still deal damage.

^^yep

I also don't understand the big hype over Shacklebreaker either. To be clear, it isn't a bad set. I see it as a really nice Hybrid set for the most part.

The hype is just kind of too much for a set that provides you with easily outclassable stats. Anyway..... if people are running this and one less proc set I'm satisfied

I'll be running Seducer for now.

Seducer(or similar set) + Amberplasm is the rich man's breaker + alteration (similar set)

Vaoh · June 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

The bottom line is that tri food is the most efficient set of stat bonuses in the game. Running witch mother or the stam equivalent costs you a set bonus of health and mana, each. And you only get 320 regen. It ends up being not worth it because there are so many good sustain sets which are worth equivalent or more regen: amber, Seducer, Magnus, lich, rose, etc.

Basically, the way to think about shackle is to rearrange the set bonuses:
Mana
Mana regen
Spell dmg
2k stam, stam regen, mana

Shackle one of the most efficient sets in terms of raw stats. Problem is, the extra stam doesn't help you after a certain amount (on a magicka build). Better to get more dmg or defense or sustain.

This is exactly why I'm confused. Stam builds don't need the extra max magicka, so Shackle becomes essentially a magicka set.

Magicka builds get better damage and sustain from other sets, so Shackle's purpose is the max stamina.

However, tristat food places you above the necessary stam level for magicka builds and is fantastically efficient.

People are viewing running Witchmother's as a luxury which Shackle enables for them, when in reality it's bistat or tristat food that are mathematically worth building around. Witchmother's is an undesirable compromise that you make when you can't build sufficient sustain to run max stat food and still deal damage.

^^yep

I also don't understand the big hype over Shacklebreaker either. To be clear, it isn't a bad set. I see it as a really nice Hybrid set for the most part.

The hype is just kind of too much for a set that provides you with easily outclassable stats. Anyway..... if people are running this and one less proc set I'm satisfied

I'll be running Seducer for now.

Seducer(or similar set) + Amberplasm is the rich man's breaker + alteration (similar set)

Damage will be too weak with more than one sustain set though

Waffennacht · June 2017

Vaoh wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

The bottom line is that tri food is the most efficient set of stat bonuses in the game. Running witch mother or the stam equivalent costs you a set bonus of health and mana, each. And you only get 320 regen. It ends up being not worth it because there are so many good sustain sets which are worth equivalent or more regen: amber, Seducer, Magnus, lich, rose, etc.

Basically, the way to think about shackle is to rearrange the set bonuses:
Mana
Mana regen
Spell dmg
2k stam, stam regen, mana

Shackle one of the most efficient sets in terms of raw stats. Problem is, the extra stam doesn't help you after a certain amount (on a magicka build). Better to get more dmg or defense or sustain.

This is exactly why I'm confused. Stam builds don't need the extra max magicka, so Shackle becomes essentially a magicka set.

Magicka builds get better damage and sustain from other sets, so Shackle's purpose is the max stamina.

However, tristat food places you above the necessary stam level for magicka builds and is fantastically efficient.

People are viewing running Witchmother's as a luxury which Shackle enables for them, when in reality it's bistat or tristat food that are mathematically worth building around. Witchmother's is an undesirable compromise that you make when you can't build sufficient sustain to run max stat food and still deal damage.

^^yep

I also don't understand the big hype over Shacklebreaker either. To be clear, it isn't a bad set. I see it as a really nice Hybrid set for the most part.

The hype is just kind of too much for a set that provides you with easily outclassable stats. Anyway..... if people are running this and one less proc set I'm satisfied

I'll be running Seducer for now.

Seducer(or similar set) + Amberplasm is the rich man's breaker + alteration (similar set)

Damage will be too weak with more than one sustain set though

Where's the line? What's your minimum damage goal? I'm curious cuz I thought it'd be enough.

2k unbuffed spell DMG, 37k max magicka 55% crit ish, 1800 mag Regen, 15k Stam 800 Stam Regen, wut you think?

+6% cost reduction from alteration (yay break free cheaper)

Vaoh · June 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

The bottom line is that tri food is the most efficient set of stat bonuses in the game. Running witch mother or the stam equivalent costs you a set bonus of health and mana, each. And you only get 320 regen. It ends up being not worth it because there are so many good sustain sets which are worth equivalent or more regen: amber, Seducer, Magnus, lich, rose, etc.

Basically, the way to think about shackle is to rearrange the set bonuses:
Mana
Mana regen
Spell dmg
2k stam, stam regen, mana

Shackle one of the most efficient sets in terms of raw stats. Problem is, the extra stam doesn't help you after a certain amount (on a magicka build). Better to get more dmg or defense or sustain.

This is exactly why I'm confused. Stam builds don't need the extra max magicka, so Shackle becomes essentially a magicka set.

Magicka builds get better damage and sustain from other sets, so Shackle's purpose is the max stamina.

However, tristat food places you above the necessary stam level for magicka builds and is fantastically efficient.

People are viewing running Witchmother's as a luxury which Shackle enables for them, when in reality it's bistat or tristat food that are mathematically worth building around. Witchmother's is an undesirable compromise that you make when you can't build sufficient sustain to run max stat food and still deal damage.

^^yep

I also don't understand the big hype over Shacklebreaker either. To be clear, it isn't a bad set. I see it as a really nice Hybrid set for the most part.

The hype is just kind of too much for a set that provides you with easily outclassable stats. Anyway..... if people are running this and one less proc set I'm satisfied

I'll be running Seducer for now.

Seducer(or similar set) + Amberplasm is the rich man's breaker + alteration (similar set)

Damage will be too weak with more than one sustain set though

Where's the line? What's your minimum damage goal? I'm curious cuz I thought it'd be enough.

2k unbuffed spell DMG, 37k max magicka 55% crit ish, 1800 mag Regen, 15k Stam 800 Stam Regen, wut you think?

+6% cost reduction from alteration (yay break free cheaper)

Idk how everything works atm stat-wise.... Morrowind has only been Live for two days on PS4

What I know for sure though is that using two strict sustain sets would undoubtedly hurt damage (and healing) too much.

Also Alteration was stealth-nerfed awhile ago.... only reduces cost of active/ult skills

Waffennacht · June 2017

I knew I would have to change gear. Just wanted to do well in BGs for a bit lol. I'm broke and all outta mats lol, I guess it's the perfect time to finish my PvE build or Level a Warden till the coffers fill again

Hutch679 · June 2017

Vaoh wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

The bottom line is that tri food is the most efficient set of stat bonuses in the game. Running witch mother or the stam equivalent costs you a set bonus of health and mana, each. And you only get 320 regen. It ends up being not worth it because there are so many good sustain sets which are worth equivalent or more regen: amber, Seducer, Magnus, lich, rose, etc.

Basically, the way to think about shackle is to rearrange the set bonuses:
Mana
Mana regen
Spell dmg
2k stam, stam regen, mana

Shackle one of the most efficient sets in terms of raw stats. Problem is, the extra stam doesn't help you after a certain amount (on a magicka build). Better to get more dmg or defense or sustain.

This is exactly why I'm confused. Stam builds don't need the extra max magicka, so Shackle becomes essentially a magicka set.

Magicka builds get better damage and sustain from other sets, so Shackle's purpose is the max stamina.

However, tristat food places you above the necessary stam level for magicka builds and is fantastically efficient.

People are viewing running Witchmother's as a luxury which Shackle enables for them, when in reality it's bistat or tristat food that are mathematically worth building around. Witchmother's is an undesirable compromise that you make when you can't build sufficient sustain to run max stat food and still deal damage.

^^yep

I also don't understand the big hype over Shacklebreaker either. To be clear, it isn't a bad set. I see it as a really nice Hybrid set for the most part.

The hype is just kind of too much for a set that provides you with easily outclassable stats. Anyway..... if people are running this and one less proc set I'm satisfied

I'll be running Seducer for now.

Seducer(or similar set) + Amberplasm is the rich man's breaker + alteration (similar set)

Damage will be too weak with more than one sustain set though

Where's the line? What's your minimum damage goal? I'm curious cuz I thought it'd be enough.

2k unbuffed spell DMG, 37k max magicka 55% crit ish, 1800 mag Regen, 15k Stam 800 Stam Regen, wut you think?

+6% cost reduction from alteration (yay break free cheaper)

Idk how everything works atm stat-wise.... Morrowind has only been Live for two days on PS4

What I know for sure though is that using two strict sustain sets would undoubtedly hurt damage (and healing) too much.

Also Alteration was stealth-nerfed awhile ago.... only reduces cost of active/ult skills

Have you played a battleground yet? I have only played a couple. I'm on xbox one. I noticed immediately that running lich and Julianos was going to be an epic struggle. I ran it last update and had no issues. In morrowind it's a whole new ball game.

NightbladeMechanics · June 2017

Vaoh wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

The bottom line is that tri food is the most efficient set of stat bonuses in the game. Running witch mother or the stam equivalent costs you a set bonus of health and mana, each. And you only get 320 regen. It ends up being not worth it because there are so many good sustain sets which are worth equivalent or more regen: amber, Seducer, Magnus, lich, rose, etc.

Basically, the way to think about shackle is to rearrange the set bonuses:
Mana
Mana regen
Spell dmg
2k stam, stam regen, mana

Shackle one of the most efficient sets in terms of raw stats. Problem is, the extra stam doesn't help you after a certain amount (on a magicka build). Better to get more dmg or defense or sustain.

This is exactly why I'm confused. Stam builds don't need the extra max magicka, so Shackle becomes essentially a magicka set.

Magicka builds get better damage and sustain from other sets, so Shackle's purpose is the max stamina.

However, tristat food places you above the necessary stam level for magicka builds and is fantastically efficient.

People are viewing running Witchmother's as a luxury which Shackle enables for them, when in reality it's bistat or tristat food that are mathematically worth building around. Witchmother's is an undesirable compromise that you make when you can't build sufficient sustain to run max stat food and still deal damage.

^^yep

I also don't understand the big hype over Shacklebreaker either. To be clear, it isn't a bad set. I see it as a really nice Hybrid set for the most part.

The hype is just kind of too much for a set that provides you with easily outclassable stats. Anyway..... if people are running this and one less proc set I'm satisfied

I'll be running Seducer for now.

Seducer(or similar set) + Amberplasm is the rich man's breaker + alteration (similar set)

Damage will be too weak with more than one sustain set though

Where's the line? What's your minimum damage goal? I'm curious cuz I thought it'd be enough.

2k unbuffed spell DMG, 37k max magicka 55% crit ish, 1800 mag Regen, 15k Stam 800 Stam Regen, wut you think?

+6% cost reduction from alteration (yay break free cheaper)

Idk how everything works atm stat-wise.... Morrowind has only been Live for two days on PS4

What I know for sure though is that using two strict sustain sets would undoubtedly hurt damage (and healing) too much.

Also Alteration was stealth-nerfed awhile ago.... only reduces cost of active/ult skills

Your "too much" is an arbitrary judge of damage levels based on what you're familiar with from Homestead patch. The game is entirely different in Morrowind. Seducer + Amber + 1 Kena with damage glyphs and Thief is PLENTY of damage now, and it can sustain perfectly. It's a very powerful build.

Vapirko · June 2017

Derra wrote: »

Shackebreaker is a great set.
However i don´t see it being particularly useful for anything but a dw/s&b build on magDK or magPlar. It´s a set that requires to be permanently active. That rules it out on any pure staff/2h weapon builds.

For that matter i see a lot of suboptimal 5p 5p 1p builds this patch. I consider any build bypassing a 2p undaunted set not optimised.

@NightbladeMechanics why would anyone willingly run magnus over seducer? Magnus is absolutely terrible compared to seducer if used on a build utilizing any costreduction.

Hard to do if youre running bow and 2h, unless your damage set is clever alchemist.

Lexxypwns · June 2017

Vaoh wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

The bottom line is that tri food is the most efficient set of stat bonuses in the game. Running witch mother or the stam equivalent costs you a set bonus of health and mana, each. And you only get 320 regen. It ends up being not worth it because there are so many good sustain sets which are worth equivalent or more regen: amber, Seducer, Magnus, lich, rose, etc.

Basically, the way to think about shackle is to rearrange the set bonuses:
Mana
Mana regen
Spell dmg
2k stam, stam regen, mana

Shackle one of the most efficient sets in terms of raw stats. Problem is, the extra stam doesn't help you after a certain amount (on a magicka build). Better to get more dmg or defense or sustain.

This is exactly why I'm confused. Stam builds don't need the extra max magicka, so Shackle becomes essentially a magicka set.

Magicka builds get better damage and sustain from other sets, so Shackle's purpose is the max stamina.

However, tristat food places you above the necessary stam level for magicka builds and is fantastically efficient.

People are viewing running Witchmother's as a luxury which Shackle enables for them, when in reality it's bistat or tristat food that are mathematically worth building around. Witchmother's is an undesirable compromise that you make when you can't build sufficient sustain to run max stat food and still deal damage.

^^yep

I also don't understand the big hype over Shacklebreaker either. To be clear, it isn't a bad set. I see it as a really nice Hybrid set for the most part.

The hype is just kind of too much for a set that provides you with easily outclassable stats. Anyway..... if people are running this and one less proc set I'm satisfied

I'll be running Seducer for now.

Seducer(or similar set) + Amberplasm is the rich man's breaker + alteration (similar set)

Damage will be too weak with more than one sustain set though

Where's the line? What's your minimum damage goal? I'm curious cuz I thought it'd be enough.

2k unbuffed spell DMG, 37k max magicka 55% crit ish, 1800 mag Regen, 15k Stam 800 Stam Regen, wut you think?

+6% cost reduction from alteration (yay break free cheaper)

Idk how everything works atm stat-wise.... Morrowind has only been Live for two days on PS4

What I know for sure though is that using two strict sustain sets would undoubtedly hurt damage (and healing) too much.

Also Alteration was stealth-nerfed awhile ago.... only reduces cost of active/ult skills

Alteration wasn't nerfed, it was bugged. This bug has been fixed in morrowind

Alteration+amber+Kena is a ton of damage when you've got 3x spell damage glyphs, thief, and 10-15k pen

Vaoh · June 2017

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

The bottom line is that tri food is the most efficient set of stat bonuses in the game. Running witch mother or the stam equivalent costs you a set bonus of health and mana, each. And you only get 320 regen. It ends up being not worth it because there are so many good sustain sets which are worth equivalent or more regen: amber, Seducer, Magnus, lich, rose, etc.

Basically, the way to think about shackle is to rearrange the set bonuses:
Mana
Mana regen
Spell dmg
2k stam, stam regen, mana

Shackle one of the most efficient sets in terms of raw stats. Problem is, the extra stam doesn't help you after a certain amount (on a magicka build). Better to get more dmg or defense or sustain.

This is exactly why I'm confused. Stam builds don't need the extra max magicka, so Shackle becomes essentially a magicka set.

Magicka builds get better damage and sustain from other sets, so Shackle's purpose is the max stamina.

However, tristat food places you above the necessary stam level for magicka builds and is fantastically efficient.

People are viewing running Witchmother's as a luxury which Shackle enables for them, when in reality it's bistat or tristat food that are mathematically worth building around. Witchmother's is an undesirable compromise that you make when you can't build sufficient sustain to run max stat food and still deal damage.

^^yep

I also don't understand the big hype over Shacklebreaker either. To be clear, it isn't a bad set. I see it as a really nice Hybrid set for the most part.

The hype is just kind of too much for a set that provides you with easily outclassable stats. Anyway..... if people are running this and one less proc set I'm satisfied

I'll be running Seducer for now.

Seducer(or similar set) + Amberplasm is the rich man's breaker + alteration (similar set)

Damage will be too weak with more than one sustain set though

Where's the line? What's your minimum damage goal? I'm curious cuz I thought it'd be enough.

2k unbuffed spell DMG, 37k max magicka 55% crit ish, 1800 mag Regen, 15k Stam 800 Stam Regen, wut you think?

+6% cost reduction from alteration (yay break free cheaper)

Idk how everything works atm stat-wise.... Morrowind has only been Live for two days on PS4

What I know for sure though is that using two strict sustain sets would undoubtedly hurt damage (and healing) too much.

Also Alteration was stealth-nerfed awhile ago.... only reduces cost of active/ult skills

Your "too much" is an arbitrary judge of damage levels based on what you're familiar with from Homestead patch. The game is entirely different in Morrowind. Seducer + Amber + 1 Kena with damage glyphs and Thief is PLENTY of damage now, and it can sustain perfectly. It's a very powerful build.

Hmm..... well I'll definitely test it out *a lot * over the course of the next few weeks. Ty for feedback - you're def more in tune with Morrowind atm than I am. My Lvl 34 Mag Warden is still grinding -_-

Vaoh · June 2017

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

The bottom line is that tri food is the most efficient set of stat bonuses in the game. Running witch mother or the stam equivalent costs you a set bonus of health and mana, each. And you only get 320 regen. It ends up being not worth it because there are so many good sustain sets which are worth equivalent or more regen: amber, Seducer, Magnus, lich, rose, etc.

Basically, the way to think about shackle is to rearrange the set bonuses:
Mana
Mana regen
Spell dmg
2k stam, stam regen, mana

Shackle one of the most efficient sets in terms of raw stats. Problem is, the extra stam doesn't help you after a certain amount (on a magicka build). Better to get more dmg or defense or sustain.

This is exactly why I'm confused. Stam builds don't need the extra max magicka, so Shackle becomes essentially a magicka set.

Magicka builds get better damage and sustain from other sets, so Shackle's purpose is the max stamina.

However, tristat food places you above the necessary stam level for magicka builds and is fantastically efficient.

People are viewing running Witchmother's as a luxury which Shackle enables for them, when in reality it's bistat or tristat food that are mathematically worth building around. Witchmother's is an undesirable compromise that you make when you can't build sufficient sustain to run max stat food and still deal damage.

^^yep

I also don't understand the big hype over Shacklebreaker either. To be clear, it isn't a bad set. I see it as a really nice Hybrid set for the most part.

The hype is just kind of too much for a set that provides you with easily outclassable stats. Anyway..... if people are running this and one less proc set I'm satisfied

I'll be running Seducer for now.

Seducer(or similar set) + Amberplasm is the rich man's breaker + alteration (similar set)

Damage will be too weak with more than one sustain set though

Where's the line? What's your minimum damage goal? I'm curious cuz I thought it'd be enough.

2k unbuffed spell DMG, 37k max magicka 55% crit ish, 1800 mag Regen, 15k Stam 800 Stam Regen, wut you think?

+6% cost reduction from alteration (yay break free cheaper)

Idk how everything works atm stat-wise.... Morrowind has only been Live for two days on PS4

What I know for sure though is that using two strict sustain sets would undoubtedly hurt damage (and healing) too much.

Also Alteration was stealth-nerfed awhile ago.... only reduces cost of active/ult skills

Alteration wasn't nerfed, it was bugged. This bug has been fixed in morrowind

Alteration+amber+Kena is a ton of damage when you've got 3x spell damage glyphs, thief, and 10-15k pen

Alteration was never bugged. It was purposely stealth-nerfed, and this did not occur in Morrowind. It happened in a previous patch..... possibly One Tamriel, but I'm not too sure.

Here was the old 5-piece:

Here is the current 5-piece:

It is a very clear change lol. Just read to the 5-piece tooltips and compare.

Jawasa · June 2017

Read patch notes. It now reduce block, dodge and breakfree unless this changed when consol got the patch

NightbladeMechanics · June 2017

Jawasa wrote: »

Read patch notes. It now reduce block, dodge and breakfree unless this changed when consol got the patch

@Vaoh ^ This. I don't know why the new tooltip says "abilities" either, but the set does reduce the costs of everything, as is stated in the patch notes. I agree that the wording is misleading.

Vaoh wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

The bottom line is that tri food is the most efficient set of stat bonuses in the game. Running witch mother or the stam equivalent costs you a set bonus of health and mana, each. And you only get 320 regen. It ends up being not worth it because there are so many good sustain sets which are worth equivalent or more regen: amber, Seducer, Magnus, lich, rose, etc.

Basically, the way to think about shackle is to rearrange the set bonuses:
Mana
Mana regen
Spell dmg
2k stam, stam regen, mana

Shackle one of the most efficient sets in terms of raw stats. Problem is, the extra stam doesn't help you after a certain amount (on a magicka build). Better to get more dmg or defense or sustain.

This is exactly why I'm confused. Stam builds don't need the extra max magicka, so Shackle becomes essentially a magicka set.

Magicka builds get better damage and sustain from other sets, so Shackle's purpose is the max stamina.

However, tristat food places you above the necessary stam level for magicka builds and is fantastically efficient.

People are viewing running Witchmother's as a luxury which Shackle enables for them, when in reality it's bistat or tristat food that are mathematically worth building around. Witchmother's is an undesirable compromise that you make when you can't build sufficient sustain to run max stat food and still deal damage.

^^yep

I also don't understand the big hype over Shacklebreaker either. To be clear, it isn't a bad set. I see it as a really nice Hybrid set for the most part.

The hype is just kind of too much for a set that provides you with easily outclassable stats. Anyway..... if people are running this and one less proc set I'm satisfied

I'll be running Seducer for now.

Seducer(or similar set) + Amberplasm is the rich man's breaker + alteration (similar set)

Damage will be too weak with more than one sustain set though

Where's the line? What's your minimum damage goal? I'm curious cuz I thought it'd be enough.

2k unbuffed spell DMG, 37k max magicka 55% crit ish, 1800 mag Regen, 15k Stam 800 Stam Regen, wut you think?

+6% cost reduction from alteration (yay break free cheaper)

Idk how everything works atm stat-wise.... Morrowind has only been Live for two days on PS4

What I know for sure though is that using two strict sustain sets would undoubtedly hurt damage (and healing) too much.

Also Alteration was stealth-nerfed awhile ago.... only reduces cost of active/ult skills

Your "too much" is an arbitrary judge of damage levels based on what you're familiar with from Homestead patch. The game is entirely different in Morrowind. Seducer + Amber + 1 Kena with damage glyphs and Thief is PLENTY of damage now, and it can sustain perfectly. It's a very powerful build.

Hmm..... well I'll definitely test it out *a lot * over the course of the next few weeks. Ty for feedback - you're def more in tune with Morrowind atm than I am. My Lvl 34 Mag Warden is still grinding -_-

Have fun with it!

Vaoh · June 2017

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Jawasa wrote: »

Read patch notes. It now reduce block, dodge and breakfree unless this changed when consol got the patch

@Vaoh ^ This. I don't know why the new tooltip says "abilities" either, but the set does reduce the costs of everything, as is stated in the patch notes. I agree that the wording is misleading.

So it has changed a second time? But this time back to the original version?

I just talked to a dude using Alteration who said the opposite -_-

ugh these tooltips....

Waffennacht · June 2017

You guys are killing me lol. Good thing I started my Warden. @Lexxypwns ty

Torbschka · June 2017

I just wanna add here something, because I have great succees with my Magden (lol) so far and there might be some false information about certain setups.

A popular setup right bow is
5x shackle
5x necro
1x Monster or vsma staffs
+witchmother
3x DMG glyphs

The following setup, actually an "old" one, outscales them above run in almost all aspects, but only works if u play with a frontbar shield, what I do (cuz of magelight and winters embrace ulti is also there)

5x necro frontbar
5x lich backbar
2x monster set (infernal Guardian, pirate or any other u like, even 1-1)
Tristatfood
1x stamreg glyph
2x DMG glyph

U have the same magicka, more stamina, more stam reg (glyph > set), same DMG, more HP, around same mag sustain plus a Monster set bonus, what is a huge advantage.

Maybe this helps some guys, this is just a numbers game. I also run big bieces infused with max magicka, u can usw haikejos, but I dont need them with tri stat food.

Hutch679 · June 2017

Torbschka wrote: »

I just wanna add here something, because I have great succees with my Magden (lol) so far and there might be some false information about certain setups.

A popular setup right bow is
5x shackle
5x necro
1x Monster or vsma staffs
+witchmother
3x DMG glyphs

The following setup, actually an "old" one, outscales them above run in almost all aspects, but only works if u play with a frontbar shield, what I do (cuz of magelight and winters embrace ulti is also there)

5x necro frontbar
5x lich backbar
2x monster set (infernal Guardian, pirate or any other u like, even 1-1)
Tristatfood
1x stamreg glyph
2x DMG glyph

U have the same magicka, more stamina, more stam reg (glyph > set), same DMG, more HP, around same mag sustain plus a Monster set bonus, what is a huge advantage.

Maybe this helps some guys, this is just a numbers game. I also run big bieces infused with max magicka, u can usw haikejos, but I dont need them with tri stat food.

Regen will be garbage on both of those setups in battlegrounds. Unless you plan to sustain with heavy resto attacks, you'll be out of resources in less than 30 seconds

Edited: autocorrect on my phone... smdh

Torbschka · June 2017

Hutch679 wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

I just wanna add here something, because I have great succees with my Magden (lol) so far and there might be some false information about certain setups.

A popular setup right bow is
5x shackle
5x necro
1x Monster or vsma staffs
+witchmother
3x DMG glyphs

The following setup, actually an "old" one, outscales them above run in almost all aspects, but only works if u play with a frontbar shield, what I do (cuz of magelight and winters embrace ulti is also there)

5x necro frontbar
5x lich backbar
2x monster set (infernal Guardian, pirate or any other u like, even 1-1)
Tristatfood
1x stamreg glyph
2x DMG glyph

U have the same magicka, more stamina, more stam reg (glyph > set), same DMG, more HP, around same mag sustain plus a Monster set bonus, what is a huge advantage.

Maybe this helps some guys, this is just a numbers game. I also run big bieces infused with max magicka, u can usw haikejos, but I dont need them with tri stat food.

Regen will be garbage on both of those setups in battlegrounds. Unless you plan to sustain with heavy resto attacks, you'll be out of resources in less than 30 seconds

Edited: autocorrect on my phone... smdh

I use a lightning staff and havent had any troubles so far, but y, I heavy attack quite often.

But yes, ressources on this setup is not easy, u have to manage them actively. Regardless of resources, I just tried to point out that a "common" warden build isnt as strong as many think it is.

Hutch679 · June 2017

Torbschka wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

I just wanna add here something, because I have great succees with my Magden (lol) so far and there might be some false information about certain setups.

A popular setup right bow is
5x shackle
5x necro
1x Monster or vsma staffs
+witchmother
3x DMG glyphs

The following setup, actually an "old" one, outscales them above run in almost all aspects, but only works if u play with a frontbar shield, what I do (cuz of magelight and winters embrace ulti is also there)

5x necro frontbar
5x lich backbar
2x monster set (infernal Guardian, pirate or any other u like, even 1-1)
Tristatfood
1x stamreg glyph
2x DMG glyph

U have the same magicka, more stamina, more stam reg (glyph > set), same DMG, more HP, around same mag sustain plus a Monster set bonus, what is a huge advantage.

Maybe this helps some guys, this is just a numbers game. I also run big bieces infused with max magicka, u can usw haikejos, but I dont need them with tri stat food.

Regen will be garbage on both of those setups in battlegrounds. Unless you plan to sustain with heavy resto attacks, you'll be out of resources in less than 30 seconds

Edited: autocorrect on my phone... smdh

I use a lightning staff and havent had any troubles so far, but y, I heavy attack quite often.

But yes, ressources on this setup is not easy, u have to manage them actively. Regardless of resources, I just tried to point out that a "common" warden build isnt as strong as many think it is.

If you use a lightning staff it could work okay. Stam warden is so ridiculous right now. The burst you can do with it is incredible. They basically hit poison injection, shalk, cliff racer, critical rush, dawnbreaker. Nothing survives lol

Unstable.Pixel · June 2017

One of the first things I did in Morrow was craft the Shackle set to pair with Amber + vMA, because on paper it seemed incredible. Though, after playing Seducer / Amber / vMA, I ended up preferring it as I could stay more offensive in longer duration fights without having to dark conversion as much.

When running Shackle I gained slightly higher tool-tips and a little extra stam recovery, but it wasn't even noticeable in comparison to how gaining the 5pc seducer was. For myself, running Witchmother brew was needed on the Shackle build and on Seducer I ran tri-stat food, which worked perfectly with the sustain. Both seem to be great builds that let you run a mundus besides Atro, but Seducer came out ahead for me personally.

Just my 2 cents... Of course using whatever build fits your play-style is going to be the "best build" at the end of the day anyways.