Soooo... [Morrowind] Magblades... and how they work now in BG

kaithuzar · June 2017

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

Peop***Note: in my testing lotus fan dmg was increased using direct dmg cp tree but concealed was not, concealed was increased dmg using the typical fire/frost/lightening/magic dmg section. (so cp is basically split between these two for me)

Is it just me, or does Concealed Weapon simply not hold its own as a spammable damage skill? It feels like the damage is too low, the cost is too high, and the speed buff only seems useful in overland PvP - not so much for BGs and duels.

I might feel differently if CW applied Major Breach or something like that. Am I missing something in my critique of this skill? Seems like it's intended to be a bread-and-butter staple of the melee MagBlade's repertoire, but I feel it falls short.

Then it would stack with Mark, and I'd lose reason to use my #1 stamblade-rage-inducing tool...

It could use some love, though. Definitely doesn't hold up against the likes of Surprise Attack.

kaithuzar wrote: »

Peop***Note: in my testing lotus fan dmg was increased using direct dmg cp tree but concealed was not, concealed was increased dmg using the typical fire/frost/lightening/magic dmg section. (so cp is basically split between these two for me)

Tested it just now. Concealed is amplified by Master-at-Arms.

I assume that's something they changed in the patch the other day...or ninja fixed

Anyways, the idea behind it is that you perform a heavy attack & then you cancel the heavy attack with a concealed strike so that the attacks land around the same time (just like stam users yay!); works even better if you can get it off from stealth with inner light & sp dmg potion.

This heavy + concealed, maybe i'm just bad at it or maybe it's just clunky in general. If you are pressing concealed too much the heavy attack won't go off, if your target is not in a cone in the front of you concealed won't highlight/work; thus kind of hard to do when you're jumping around. I'm going to play with it a bit longer, but I may go back to the typical crushing shock.

kaithuzar · June 2017

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

@casparian yoooo I ran Scathing + Medusa in One Tamriel, and then Spellweave + Medusa when Homestead gave me that destro staff passive. SO much burst. xD I was hitting over 25k Assassin's Wills on buffed heavy armor targets, not from stealth, and in heavy impen myself. I was very squishy, though. Ended going back to Julianos + Spellweave for consistent crits, though, as Medusa left me with low crit chance when using Shadow.

Dude I was trying to get other people to try medusa badly because I felt like I built a great build with medusa + julianos but no one really believed me because i was bad at playing it =/
Glad to see someone else got to recognize what a great set it was for the time it was useful.

Draekony · June 2017

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Draekony wrote: »

@NightbladeMechanics

I'm looking to rebuild my dark elf magblade for BG's only. I want to do the riposte + transmut 2x undaunted but don't have rispote yet (no drop from BGs it looks), what else could I pair with transmutation? Impen traits? What skill setup? I'd like to do a destro/resto bar setup if you could help out. War maiden is nice but the inferno staff is expensive for a set I want to "farm" riposte with.

Any suggestions on a cheaper set to pair with valkyn + transmutation until I get enough riposte? I'd rather not buy war maiden if I'm going to replace it. I've got spinners, clever alchemist (heavy and light), necropotence, plague dr, lich, amberplasm, burning spellweave, shacklebreaker etc. Could also swap out valkyn for any other undaunted set, got tons, like troll king maybe.

I guess BG isnt CP but I'll probably try to get a CP build for the times I decide to go to Vivec (cp cyrodil).

Spinner works great. It's a little more damage than Maiden, but naturally won't penetrate on shields. Necropotence is your next best bet (I'd use that). Lich is a ton of sustain if you need that. Necro is actually competitive damage with Maiden. As long as you're using shade, you won't notice much of a difference.

Use the skill setup in my last video, but consider subbing out mist form for cloak. I use mist for when a lot of people are trying to lock me down, which won't happen in BGs due to lower numbers.

so based on the video it looks like destro bar: degeneration (or structured?), swallow soul, elemental drain, merciless resolve, mass hysteria
resto bar: siphoning attacks, cloak (not mist), twisting path?, healing ward, mirror image..

so without rapid regen will troll king proc? should i swap out troll king?

what attribute setup did you use? feel like my hp might be a bit low - maybe enough hp for 25k then rest into magicka
then witchmothers brew? or hp/magicka food?

Draekony · June 2017

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NightbladeMechanics · June 2017

Draekony wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Draekony wrote: »

@NightbladeMechanics

I'm looking to rebuild my dark elf magblade for BG's only. I want to do the riposte + transmut 2x undaunted but don't have rispote yet (no drop from BGs it looks), what else could I pair with transmutation? Impen traits? What skill setup? I'd like to do a destro/resto bar setup if you could help out. War maiden is nice but the inferno staff is expensive for a set I want to "farm" riposte with.

Any suggestions on a cheaper set to pair with valkyn + transmutation until I get enough riposte? I'd rather not buy war maiden if I'm going to replace it. I've got spinners, clever alchemist (heavy and light), necropotence, plague dr, lich, amberplasm, burning spellweave, shacklebreaker etc. Could also swap out valkyn for any other undaunted set, got tons, like troll king maybe.

I guess BG isnt CP but I'll probably try to get a CP build for the times I decide to go to Vivec (cp cyrodil).

Spinner works great. It's a little more damage than Maiden, but naturally won't penetrate on shields. Necropotence is your next best bet (I'd use that). Lich is a ton of sustain if you need that. Necro is actually competitive damage with Maiden. As long as you're using shade, you won't notice much of a difference.

Use the skill setup in my last video, but consider subbing out mist form for cloak. I use mist for when a lot of people are trying to lock me down, which won't happen in BGs due to lower numbers.

so based on the video it looks like destro bar: degeneration (or structured?), swallow soul, elemental drain, merciless resolve, mass hysteria
resto bar: siphoning attacks, cloak (not mist), twisting path?, healing ward, mirror image..

so without rapid regen will troll king proc? should i swap out troll king?

what attribute setup did you use? feel like my hp might be a bit low - then witchmothers brew? or hp/magicka food?

Yes, troll king will proc on any heal. That is refreshing path, which heals for more than rapid regen, and both swallow soul and degeneration heal.

I use all magicka attributes, but I'm argonian, giving me higher health and lower magicka than a high elf or breton.

I also opt to use leeching strikes over siphoning attacks. The stam was always the important part of old siphoning attacks.

I use Witchmother's sometimes, but I'm trying to build around tristat food now. Stam sustain is a little too constricted to run <10k imo.

Xsorus · June 2017

Kena you try Rattlecage/Trolls/War Maiden yet?

NightbladeMechanics · June 2017

Xsorus wrote: »

Kena you try Rattlecage/Trolls/War Maiden yet?

I don't have Rattle or Troll. They're both really good. I just hate farming things.

Also you couldn't fit all of that front bar without going dw or snb.

Jitterbug · June 2017

I run 5-1-1 heavy.
5 transmutation destro front 5 wyrd resto back.
2 troll king.
This is for bg healing with funnel and mutagen though so not for everyone. But it is almost impossible to kill.

Xsorus · June 2017

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Kena you try Rattlecage/Trolls/War Maiden yet?

I don't have Rattle or Troll. They're both really good. I just hate farming things.

Also you couldn't fit all of that front bar without going dw or snb.

it'd be dw setup

Not sure if i wanna spend the gold on the swords of war maiden though, might just do 2 willpower/rattle/warmaiden

NightbladeMechanics · June 2017

Xsorus wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Kena you try Rattlecage/Trolls/War Maiden yet?

I don't have Rattle or Troll. They're both really good. I just hate farming things.

Also you couldn't fit all of that front bar without going dw or snb.

it'd be dw setup

Not sure if i wanna spend the gold on the swords of war maiden though, might just do 2 willpower/rattle/warmaiden

Necro and Spinner are comparable to Maiden. Spinner is actually more damage assuming you aren't attacking into shields.

Xsorus · June 2017

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Kena you try Rattlecage/Trolls/War Maiden yet?

I don't have Rattle or Troll. They're both really good. I just hate farming things.

Also you couldn't fit all of that front bar without going dw or snb.

it'd be dw setup

Not sure if i wanna spend the gold on the swords of war maiden though, might just do 2 willpower/rattle/warmaiden

Necro and Spinner are comparable to Maiden. Spinner is actually more damage assuming you aren't attacking into shields.

Yea, but I'm going to end up attacking shields at some point

and I don't like using Necro, the pet lets people know when i'm about to attack.

NightbladeMechanics · June 2017

Xsorus wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Kena you try Rattlecage/Trolls/War Maiden yet?

I don't have Rattle or Troll. They're both really good. I just hate farming things.

Also you couldn't fit all of that front bar without going dw or snb.

it'd be dw setup

Not sure if i wanna spend the gold on the swords of war maiden though, might just do 2 willpower/rattle/warmaiden

Necro and Spinner are comparable to Maiden. Spinner is actually more damage assuming you aren't attacking into shields.

Yea, but I'm going to end up attacking shields at some point

and I don't like using Necro, the pet lets people know when i'm about to attack.

Why not keep your shade up 100%?

Xsorus · June 2017

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Kena you try Rattlecage/Trolls/War Maiden yet?

I don't have Rattle or Troll. They're both really good. I just hate farming things.

Also you couldn't fit all of that front bar without going dw or snb.

it'd be dw setup

Not sure if i wanna spend the gold on the swords of war maiden though, might just do 2 willpower/rattle/warmaiden

Necro and Spinner are comparable to Maiden. Spinner is actually more damage assuming you aren't attacking into shields.

Yea, but I'm going to end up attacking shields at some point

and I don't like using Necro, the pet lets people know when i'm about to attack.

Why not keep your shade up 100%?

I mean, Its not a matter of not keeping it up, When I use it though it gives away my location usually.

NightbladeMechanics · June 2017

Xsorus wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Kena you try Rattlecage/Trolls/War Maiden yet?

I don't have Rattle or Troll. They're both really good. I just hate farming things.

Also you couldn't fit all of that front bar without going dw or snb.

it'd be dw setup

Not sure if i wanna spend the gold on the swords of war maiden though, might just do 2 willpower/rattle/warmaiden

Necro and Spinner are comparable to Maiden. Spinner is actually more damage assuming you aren't attacking into shields.

Yea, but I'm going to end up attacking shields at some point

and I don't like using Necro, the pet lets people know when i'm about to attack.

Why not keep your shade up 100%?

I mean, Its not a matter of not keeping it up, When I use it though it gives away my location usually.

Oh then you're cloaking around for some reason. Are you ganking or bombing with Necro? If so, that's your problem...

kaithuzar · June 2017

Can't remember if I posted this but right now I've been using 6 light 1 heavy, 5 worm cult, 5 wizard riposte
swapped from magic harness back to dampen
I'm going back & forth between 1 piece Infernal guardian (inc max magic) with a tri-stat glyph or using 1 piece blood spawn with a straight magicka glyph on it

Infernal guardian w/tri-stat + I already have wizard chest with tri-stat glyph so my stam is just over 11k but
stam recovery is like 694

With blood spawn stam recovery is like 864 or something & just over 10k max stam

I really like this build (destro/resto) however there is one really big weakness

Either way may max magicka is around 38-39k

Xsorus · June 2017

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Kena you try Rattlecage/Trolls/War Maiden yet?

I don't have Rattle or Troll. They're both really good. I just hate farming things.

Also you couldn't fit all of that front bar without going dw or snb.

it'd be dw setup

Not sure if i wanna spend the gold on the swords of war maiden though, might just do 2 willpower/rattle/warmaiden

Necro and Spinner are comparable to Maiden. Spinner is actually more damage assuming you aren't attacking into shields.

Yea, but I'm going to end up attacking shields at some point

and I don't like using Necro, the pet lets people know when i'm about to attack.

Why not keep your shade up 100%?

I mean, Its not a matter of not keeping it up, When I use it though it gives away my location usually.

Oh then you're cloaking around for some reason. Are you ganking or bombing with Necro? If so, that's your problem...

I generally gank with my Magicka NB.

Dottzgaming · June 2017

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

en3rgumen wrote: »

Best 2h builds:
Necro + Pelinal's + 1 Kena with weapon damage glyphs, using Forward Momentum as your buff

Hi Kena, thank you for your post ; by the way i'm intrigued by the 2H build.

Is this the gank build using Onslaugth ultimate ?

if no, can you explain to me how it works ?

No it isn't, and sure I'll be happy to. First, the bars are very specific for two different kill combos:

2h bar:
Forward Momentum
Concealed Weapon
Shadowy Disguise
Fear
Merciless/Lotus Fan
Soul Harvest/Incap

Resto:
Cripple
Shadow Image
Healing Ward
Merciless/Flex
Swallow Soul/Funnel Health/Flex
Resto ult/Soul Tether

My 2h/Resto bars look really similar to this so im glad to know i was on the right track lol. Main noticeable difference is im using Soul Tether over Soul Harvest on the front bar because without it you have no front bar siphoning ability.

Curious as to why you arent running one on your front bar. Granted, Running incap/Soul harvest makes your burst windows quicker because you dont need to generate nearly as much ultimate to fire those off as you do with Tether, but is that worth losing 8% max magicka?

NightbladeMechanics · June 2017

Dottzgaming wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

en3rgumen wrote: »

Best 2h builds:
Necro + Pelinal's + 1 Kena with weapon damage glyphs, using Forward Momentum as your buff

Hi Kena, thank you for your post ; by the way i'm intrigued by the 2H build.

Is this the gank build using Onslaugth ultimate ?

if no, can you explain to me how it works ?

No it isn't, and sure I'll be happy to. First, the bars are very specific for two different kill combos:

2h bar:
Forward Momentum
Concealed Weapon
Shadowy Disguise
Fear
Merciless/Lotus Fan
Soul Harvest/Incap

Resto:
Cripple
Shadow Image
Healing Ward
Merciless/Flex
Swallow Soul/Funnel Health/Flex
Resto ult/Soul Tether

My 2h/Resto bars look really similar to this so im glad to know i was on the right track lol. Main noticeable difference is im using Soul Tether over Soul Harvest on the front bar because without it you have no front bar siphoning ability.

Curious as to why you arent running one on your front bar. Granted, Running incap/Soul harvest makes your burst windows quicker because you dont need to generate nearly as much ultimate to fire those off as you do with Tether, but is that worth losing 8% max magicka?

No it isn't. I meant to type Soul Tether, not Harvest, and missed it. Full 2h heavy with Follow Up > Soul Tether > Assassin's Will is a great kill combo. That's what I tend to prefer on the 2h build because I have to fit in Momentum. Thank you for the observation.

The other bar variation sticks Merciless back bar and Cripple front bar, allowing the use of Incap. Fitting that Siphoning ability on your front bar is not always easy, but you should always do it. Don't worry, you were thinking along the right track.

Dottzgaming · June 2017

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Dottzgaming wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

en3rgumen wrote: »

Best 2h builds:
Necro + Pelinal's + 1 Kena with weapon damage glyphs, using Forward Momentum as your buff

Hi Kena, thank you for your post ; by the way i'm intrigued by the 2H build.

Is this the gank build using Onslaugth ultimate ?

if no, can you explain to me how it works ?

No it isn't, and sure I'll be happy to. First, the bars are very specific for two different kill combos:

2h bar:
Forward Momentum
Concealed Weapon
Shadowy Disguise
Fear
Merciless/Lotus Fan
Soul Harvest/Incap

Resto:
Cripple
Shadow Image
Healing Ward
Merciless/Flex
Swallow Soul/Funnel Health/Flex
Resto ult/Soul Tether

My 2h/Resto bars look really similar to this so im glad to know i was on the right track lol. Main noticeable difference is im using Soul Tether over Soul Harvest on the front bar because without it you have no front bar siphoning ability.

Curious as to why you arent running one on your front bar. Granted, Running incap/Soul harvest makes your burst windows quicker because you dont need to generate nearly as much ultimate to fire those off as you do with Tether, but is that worth losing 8% max magicka?

No it isn't. I meant to type Soul Tether, not Harvest, and missed it. Full 2h heavy with Follow Up > Soul Tether > Assassin's Will is a great kill combo. That's what I tend to prefer on the 2h build because I have to fit in Momentum. Thank you for the observation.

The other bar variation sticks Merciless back bar and Cripple front bar, allowing the use of Incap. Fitting that Siphoning ability on your front bar is not always easy, but you should always do it. Don't worry, you were thinking along the right track.

Good to know

Thanks for the help Kena, always appreciated!

Tawrich · June 2017

I've been going with a whole different set of builds, ill share them here, maybe someone will like them

Disclaimer: 2 of my builds are actually KenaPKK's builds (VC/necro and Jul/trans) , and 1 is inspired by one of his builds (spinner/seducer). I just did some modifications in food and abilities. All credit goes to our lovable KenaPKK.

In all builds, when possible, I used Malubeth (I acknowledge its not the most op set, but I just love it, and I firmly believe u should make what u love playable, if I wanted to play the most OP ez class, id just go magsorc and shield spam.)

Im a vampire high elf for regen and undeath and bats, I use siphoning attacks morph and I use trifood, I feel like its extra stam, hp, and mag compared to witch mother brew is really helpful, and roll dodging/blocking allows for some nice counter plays. I put 49 points into mag and 15 into health, all magic glyphs on body.

If I want to rate these setups, id say the best so far is heavy Julianos/Trans + Malubeth. Its decently tanky, and with correct CP application (which is very important AND tricky) its damage can be huge.

VC/necro has the lowest damage and most survival even though its light but I want to drop it cuz I want my dear Malubeth to be there. ( and generally with riposte out there, VC is a bit meh).

Heavy seducer back bar+ Spinner front is fine but, compared to Julianos/trans, as a heavy armor build, its lacking survival (it does more damage though). Relying on resistance from heavy armor alone in my opinion is not enough to survive bursts from several gankers.

I want to try Kena's light armor setups, but I have a questions, id really appreciate answers/ opinions:

If I want to keep Malubeth, is it best with riposte/trans or with Warmaiden/riposte or Warmaiden/trans? I feel like warmaiden/riposte but I really appreciate input on this question

NightbladeMechanics · June 2017

Tawrich wrote: »

If I want to keep Malubeth, is it best with riposte/trans or with Warmaiden/riposte or Warmaiden/trans? I feel like warmaiden/riposte but I really appreciate input on this question

Malubeth increases healing, which works best with high mitigation sets. There's no sense in building a ton of healing if you're still in one shot range.

That said, you still want to build some damage, else you'll hit like a wet noodle.

I recommend Maiden + Riposte as your base build. Riposte does mitigate more damage than Trans against all opponents except those with both high crit chance and low crit damage. In PvP, you tend to run across lower crit chance and higher crit damage opponents, so Riposte pulls ahead.

I tested Maiden versus Necro for damage, and Maiden was much higher as an Argonian without any Mages Guild max magicka bonuses of any kind. High Elves and Bretons and anyone using Inner Light or other MG abilities will get more damage out of Necro, but you'll have to test for yourselves where the breakeven is between the sets. There will be a percentage bonus to max magicka where Necro pulls ahead -- but whether it's feasibly reachable is undetermined, nor do I intend to test for it.

Dottzgaming wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Dottzgaming wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

en3rgumen wrote: »

Best 2h builds:
Necro + Pelinal's + 1 Kena with weapon damage glyphs, using Forward Momentum as your buff

Hi Kena, thank you for your post ; by the way i'm intrigued by the 2H build.

Is this the gank build using Onslaugth ultimate ?

if no, can you explain to me how it works ?

No it isn't, and sure I'll be happy to. First, the bars are very specific for two different kill combos:

2h bar:
Forward Momentum
Concealed Weapon
Shadowy Disguise
Fear
Merciless/Lotus Fan
Soul Harvest/Incap

Resto:
Cripple
Shadow Image
Healing Ward
Merciless/Flex
Swallow Soul/Funnel Health/Flex
Resto ult/Soul Tether

My 2h/Resto bars look really similar to this so im glad to know i was on the right track lol. Main noticeable difference is im using Soul Tether over Soul Harvest on the front bar because without it you have no front bar siphoning ability.

Curious as to why you arent running one on your front bar. Granted, Running incap/Soul harvest makes your burst windows quicker because you dont need to generate nearly as much ultimate to fire those off as you do with Tether, but is that worth losing 8% max magicka?

No it isn't. I meant to type Soul Tether, not Harvest, and missed it. Full 2h heavy with Follow Up > Soul Tether > Assassin's Will is a great kill combo. That's what I tend to prefer on the 2h build because I have to fit in Momentum. Thank you for the observation.

The other bar variation sticks Merciless back bar and Cripple front bar, allowing the use of Incap. Fitting that Siphoning ability on your front bar is not always easy, but you should always do it. Don't worry, you were thinking along the right track.

Good to know Thanks for the help Kena, always appreciated!

Tawrich · June 2017

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Tawrich wrote: »

If I want to keep Malubeth, is it best with riposte/trans or with Warmaiden/riposte or Warmaiden/trans? I feel like warmaiden/riposte but I really appreciate input on this question

Malubeth increases healing, which works best with high mitigation sets. There's no sense in building a ton of healing if you're still in one shot range.

That said, you still want to build some damage, else you'll hit like a wet noodle.

I recommend Maiden + Riposte as your base build. Riposte does mitigate more damage than Trans against all opponents except those with both high crit chance and low crit damage. In PvP, you tend to run across lower crit chance and higher crit damage opponents, so Riposte pulls ahead.

I tested Maiden versus Necro for damage, and Maiden was much higher as an Argonian without any Mages Guild max magicka bonuses of any kind. High Elves and Bretons and anyone using Inner Light or other MG abilities will get more damage out of Necro, but you'll have to test for yourselves where the breakeven is between the sets. There will be a percentage bonus to max magicka where Necro pulls ahead -- but whether it's feasibly reachable is undetermined, nor do I intend to test for it.

Thanks for answering Kena. Yes Malubeth being a defensive set makes me wonder if it will go with light armor setups at all, Riposte/ War maiden as I wrote is definately my favorite in there cuz of the huge damage mitigation. Hopefully they will work together, maybe even Malubeth will complement Riposte nicely, who knows...

Now to somehow find Riposte defending resto staff...my server seems void of those

Draekony · June 2017

been testing out the build, really have to line up the fear with the merciless resolve shot + incapitate, if that doesnt finish em i feel like im gassed out and cant get it done. had to pump some attribute into hp tho got 27k hp and 23.8k mana without necropotence activated.. 1503 crit resistance without transmute

10k spell resist 7800 physical but 1683 spell dmg and 27 crit without any buffs lol. might swap out necropotence or transmute. saw a premade once though these guys just instagibbed me someone said proc so yeah.. but the build is pretty fun im getting the hang of the skills and how to weave them in with each other, sustain is pretty good.

again im a dark elf so

got destro: degen, swallow, ele drain, hysteria, merciless incapit strike
resto: shadow image twisting path shadowy disguise leeching strikes healing ward life champ

feel like im just gonna grab my selenes, viper and maybe add hundings rage and try that.

LegacyDM · June 2017

Xsorus wrote: »

Kena you try Rattlecage/Trolls/War Maiden yet?

I've Tried this on my duel wield build. 5 pieces rattlecage on Jewlry and swords. Your better off going spinners on body instead of war maiden. I've found spinners to noticeably hit harder in pvp. The extra damage from maidens doesn't qualitatively seem to make or break sorc shields or actual shields any more than without. You could go trolls but I prefer Grothdarr or skoria over trolls since I'm a vamp for mist form and like the extra damage punch.

Xsorus · June 2017

LegacyDM wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Kena you try Rattlecage/Trolls/War Maiden yet?

I've Tried this on my duel wield build. 5 pieces rattlecage on Jewlry and swords. Your better off going spinners on body instead of war maiden. I've found spinners to noticeably hit harder in pvp. The extra damage from maidens doesn't qualitatively seem to make or break sorc shields or actual shields any more than without. You could go trolls but I prefer Grothdarr or skoria over trolls since I'm a vamp for mist form and like the extra damage punch.

Was trying out War Maidens today, seems to do ok, I'll slap on Spinners on body and try it.

Though was doing 2 willpower/war/rattle

Groth might be pretty decent for extra damage.

NightbladeMechanics · June 2017

Xsorus wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Kena you try Rattlecage/Trolls/War Maiden yet?

I've Tried this on my duel wield build. 5 pieces rattlecage on Jewlry and swords. Your better off going spinners on body instead of war maiden. I've found spinners to noticeably hit harder in pvp. The extra damage from maidens doesn't qualitatively seem to make or break sorc shields or actual shields any more than without. You could go trolls but I prefer Grothdarr or skoria over trolls since I'm a vamp for mist form and like the extra damage punch.

Was trying out War Maidens today, seems to do ok, I'll slap on Spinners on body and try it.

Though was doing 2 willpower/war/rattle

Groth might be pretty decent for extra damage.

I definitely notice Maiden/Necro's extra damage versus shields compared to Spinner, but Spinner is a bit more than those sets when not attacking shields. I was switching between Maiden and Spinner yesterday trying to decide which I prefer on my front bar. Spinner is probably better.

CavalryPK · June 2017

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Kena you try Rattlecage/Trolls/War Maiden yet?

I've Tried this on my duel wield build. 5 pieces rattlecage on Jewlry and swords. Your better off going spinners on body instead of war maiden. I've found spinners to noticeably hit harder in pvp. The extra damage from maidens doesn't qualitatively seem to make or break sorc shields or actual shields any more than without. You could go trolls but I prefer Grothdarr or skoria over trolls since I'm a vamp for mist form and like the extra damage punch.

Was trying out War Maidens today, seems to do ok, I'll slap on Spinners on body and try it.

Though was doing 2 willpower/war/rattle

Groth might be pretty decent for extra damage.

I definitely notice Maiden/Necro's extra damage versus shields compared to Spinner, but Spinner is a bit more than those sets when not attacking shields. I was switching between Maiden and Spinner yesterday trying to decide which I prefer on my front bar. Spinner is probably better.

You guys, this is good news, this means i dont have to freaking pay for war maiden.. since i alreay have spinners! !!!!

NightbladeMechanics · June 2017

CavalryPK wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Kena you try Rattlecage/Trolls/War Maiden yet?

I've Tried this on my duel wield build. 5 pieces rattlecage on Jewlry and swords. Your better off going spinners on body instead of war maiden. I've found spinners to noticeably hit harder in pvp. The extra damage from maidens doesn't qualitatively seem to make or break sorc shields or actual shields any more than without. You could go trolls but I prefer Grothdarr or skoria over trolls since I'm a vamp for mist form and like the extra damage punch.

Was trying out War Maidens today, seems to do ok, I'll slap on Spinners on body and try it.

Though was doing 2 willpower/war/rattle

Groth might be pretty decent for extra damage.

I definitely notice Maiden/Necro's extra damage versus shields compared to Spinner, but Spinner is a bit more than those sets when not attacking shields. I was switching between Maiden and Spinner yesterday trying to decide which I prefer on my front bar. Spinner is probably better.

You guys, this is good news, this means i dont have to freaking pay for war maiden.. since i alreay have spinners! !!!!

But we already knew this.

Xsorus · June 2017

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Kena you try Rattlecage/Trolls/War Maiden yet?

I've Tried this on my duel wield build. 5 pieces rattlecage on Jewlry and swords. Your better off going spinners on body instead of war maiden. I've found spinners to noticeably hit harder in pvp. The extra damage from maidens doesn't qualitatively seem to make or break sorc shields or actual shields any more than without. You could go trolls but I prefer Grothdarr or skoria over trolls since I'm a vamp for mist form and like the extra damage punch.

Was trying out War Maidens today, seems to do ok, I'll slap on Spinners on body and try it.

Though was doing 2 willpower/war/rattle

Groth might be pretty decent for extra damage.

I definitely notice Maiden/Necro's extra damage versus shields compared to Spinner, but Spinner is a bit more than those sets when not attacking shields. I was switching between Maiden and Spinner yesterday trying to decide which I prefer on my front bar. Spinner is probably better.

I'll have to try it out.

I'm liking rattlecage, its less damage then my old setup sure but at the same time i don't have to wait for a potion and clever alchemist, and i can save my potion as well which is super useful

CavalryPK · June 2017

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

CavalryPK wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Kena you try Rattlecage/Trolls/War Maiden yet?

I've Tried this on my duel wield build. 5 pieces rattlecage on Jewlry and swords. Your better off going spinners on body instead of war maiden. I've found spinners to noticeably hit harder in pvp. The extra damage from maidens doesn't qualitatively seem to make or break sorc shields or actual shields any more than without. You could go trolls but I prefer Grothdarr or skoria over trolls since I'm a vamp for mist form and like the extra damage punch.

Was trying out War Maidens today, seems to do ok, I'll slap on Spinners on body and try it.

Though was doing 2 willpower/war/rattle

Groth might be pretty decent for extra damage.

I definitely notice Maiden/Necro's extra damage versus shields compared to Spinner, but Spinner is a bit more than those sets when not attacking shields. I was switching between Maiden and Spinner yesterday trying to decide which I prefer on my front bar. Spinner is probably better.

You guys, this is good news, this means i dont have to freaking pay for war maiden.. since i alreay have spinners! !!!!

But we already knew this.

We did? Gosh with all this vacation.... i must have noobed out. Hehe