Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

silky_soft wrote: »

Need an option for:
- Zos is lazy and wants non skilled gamers to artificially be boosted.

OR

- Magika has dots, cleanse, insta heal and shields. Stam gets proctatoes

A bit blatant but you've got a point

What's wrong with being blatant? He's right.

Damage definitely needs to be toned down since now you don't have hardy and ele defender to reduce their damage in PVP. For PVE this would just be offsetting the buff proc sets just got with Master at Arms.

(I still think proc sets in general should probably go away though)

akray21 wrote: »

I found all the people that don't want to play PvE...

I play PVE I have completed every Trial in the game and there Hard mode even compete for top scores.That doesn't make proc sets ok or balanced at all.DPS only use 1 proc set as is which is a monster set.If ZOS turned them into DOTS it would boost their use in PVE.For the health of the game they need to completely remove them from pvp or make them cost resources with reduce base tooltip damage.Proc sets aren't balanced in pve or pvp.

For PvP they are too strong, especially when stacked with others. Thats just because PvP is so burst oriented and thats where they excel.

In PvE damage proc sets arent used too much with the exception of monster sets. These are use because you can get so much power out of just 2 pieces which comes in handy in combination with a strong 3 (+1) piece. In morrowind we will see some more diversity because minor slayer will be reduced in effectiveness (from about 4.7% bonus to around 3.3%).

There is another overlooked problem with proc sets: Some are strong, most are garbage.

Is ZOS going to start offering safe-spaces for players with hurt feelings?

There are pros and cons to every single thing in this game, but it's always been about balance. This means you can't have your character spec'ed to get everything you want and max out all stats. If you choose to run X set instead of Y set, then you don't get the benefit of Y and gain the benefit of X. Hell, even when you choose to mount up for faster speed, this means that you are more vulnerable to attacks (for example). Yet, people complain when they get attacked while mounted, that it's unfair somehow.

So what we have here are a bunch of people who are too stubborn to change their templates or add resists, even after proc-sets and ganking have been nerfed, because it hurts their feelings when they still get killed in PvP. You don't get to tell others how they should play, because if everyone were exactly the same, as you guys want in your ideal world, this would be an extremely boring game.

Don't just learn to play, learn to spec/template for what you want in your style of offense and defense.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

In pvp yeah they seem too strong, skoria is hitting for 5k~ thats like 25% of most peoples hp.

Could just add to battle spirit (armor sets that proc damage effects have their damage reduced by 25%)

Viper/veli or viper/tremor has made a big comeback.

Or a monster set that heals you for 30k when you are hit by a proc set. No cool down.

I die much less often to monster sets than to zergs and the freakin insane amount of bomblades right now. And sets like bloodspawn are in no way op, it's a very useful set that's applicable to some builds. I think they should do away with 5pc proc sets like viper, and keep monster sets but readjust a few.

Can (and do) people sustain while stacking procsets now?

I don't know any damage procsets (off the top of my head) that are also sustain sets - so Isn't there more of a trade-off? Proc set OR sustain set?

When you nerf light/medium armor sustain yet still allow heavy to be viable for some specs, peoeple will resort to using proc sets to make up for their loss in damage from building for sustain. Expected this would happen as soon as I saw the unnecessary (imo) nerf to cost reduction for armor passives.