[Poll] In PvP, Are proc sets overperforming again in light of the new balance changes?

ssewallb14_ESO

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Mojmir

No, they're fine.

I'm sure it's a pvp issue,pve they're fine

silky_soft

Need an option for:
- Zos is lazy and wants non skilled gamers to artificially be boosted.

OR

- Magika has dots, cleanse, insta heal and shields. Stam gets proctatoes

Magıc

Yes, they are overperforming after the new balance changes.

PvP issue.

Thanks to the sustain changes, players build for sustain and they'll rely on proc sets to do damage. Remember how bad it was last time? Just because they don't crit anymore doesn't mean they're not complete BS. Making them nott crit was never the correct solution but oh well, it's Zos after all.

Chilly-McFreeze

silky_soft wrote: »

Need an option for:
- Zos is lazy and wants non skilled gamers to artificially be boosted.

OR

- Magika has dots, cleanse, insta heal and shields. Stam gets proctatoes

A bit blatant but you've got a point

NightbladeMechanics

Yes, and they've always been too strong.

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

silky_soft wrote: »

Need an option for:
- Zos is lazy and wants non skilled gamers to artificially be boosted.

OR

- Magika has dots, cleanse, insta heal and shields. Stam gets proctatoes

A bit blatant but you've got a point

What's wrong with being blatant? He's right.

Narvuntien

Yes, and they've always been too strong.

The best solution is to have thier damage scale with resources just like all other skills in the game same way ultimates work. For pve that is fine because dps has maxed thier stats anyway. Only a nerf to tanks really.

arkansas_ESO

Yes, they are overperforming after the new balance changes.

Damage definitely needs to be toned down since now you don't have hardy and ele defender to reduce their damage in PVP. For PVE this would just be offsetting the buff proc sets just got with Master at Arms.

(I still think proc sets in general should probably go away though)

akray21

No, they're fine.

I found all the people that don't want to play PvE...

KingJ

Yes, and they've always been too strong.

akray21 wrote: »

I found all the people that don't want to play PvE...

I play PVE I have completed every Trial in the game and there Hard mode even compete for top scores.That doesn't make proc sets ok or balanced at all.DPS only use 1 proc set as is which is a monster set.If ZOS turned them into DOTS it would boost their use in PVE.For the health of the game they need to completely remove them from pvp or make them cost resources with reduce base tooltip damage.Proc sets aren't balanced in pve or pvp.

Ragnaroek93

Yes, they are overperforming after the new balance changes.

Not looking forward to fight against Troll King, Selene, Velidreth and Skoria. I wish ZOS would just nerf all these 2p sets to death or rework them to something like Kena, so that every set has a downside and doesn't give a use and forget bonus.

Br1ckst0n

Yes, and they've always been too strong.

For PvP they are too strong, especially when stacked with others. Thats just because PvP is so burst oriented and thats where they excel.

In PvE damage proc sets arent used too much with the exception of monster sets. These are use because you can get so much power out of just 2 pieces which comes in handy in combination with a strong 3 (+1) piece. In morrowind we will see some more diversity because minor slayer will be reduced in effectiveness (from about 4.7% bonus to around 3.3%).

There is another overlooked problem with proc sets: Some are strong, most are garbage.

Strider_Roshin

Yes, they are overperforming after the new balance changes.

Mojmir wrote: »

I'm sure it's a pvp issue,pve they're fine

Because we shouldn't care about PvP right?

Strider_Roshin

Yes, they are overperforming after the new balance changes.

The issue is that this game has become more focused on resource management, and proc sets are free damage.

Also proc sets have always been too powerful in Azura's star since there's no CP mitigation against it, and now all BGs are going to be non-CP. Not sure how to go about balancing it though.

Sneaky-Snurr

Yes, they are overperforming after the new balance changes.

I've said this and I'll say this again.

ZoS, please I'm begging you. Just please remove proc dmg sets out of the game. Or at least, disable them in PvP.
They only promote non-skilled play. If you're looking to 'raise the floor' through proc sets, then you're doing it awfully wrong. I have lost for words, there are countless replies and threads I've participated in to remove and/or nerf proc dmg sets.
The basic idea behind proc dmg sets is already atrocious and mind-numbingly stupid. I advocate for skilled and tactical play instead of button mashing and reliance on 'free' damage procs.

Yet, there you go. ZoS released yet another proc set and at this point, I think they're just trolling us players and flashing their fugly backsides on our screen.

PS: I wanted to choose option 2 as I feel that's the exact thing happening all this while. Raging and impulsiveness are what led me to choose option 1.

knighting68

No, they're fine.

Is ZOS going to start offering safe-spaces for players with hurt feelings?

There are pros and cons to every single thing in this game, but it's always been about balance. This means you can't have your character spec'ed to get everything you want and max out all stats. If you choose to run X set instead of Y set, then you don't get the benefit of Y and gain the benefit of X. Hell, even when you choose to mount up for faster speed, this means that you are more vulnerable to attacks (for example). Yet, people complain when they get attacked while mounted, that it's unfair somehow.

So what we have here are a bunch of people who are too stubborn to change their templates or add resists, even after proc-sets and ganking have been nerfed, because it hurts their feelings when they still get killed in PvP. You don't get to tell others how they should play, because if everyone were exactly the same, as you guys want in your ideal world, this would be an extremely boring game.

Don't just learn to play, learn to spec/template for what you want in your style of offense and defense.

leepalmer95

Yes, they are overperforming after the new balance changes.

In pvp yeah they seem too strong, skoria is hitting for 5k~ thats like 25% of most peoples hp.

Could just add to battle spirit (armor sets that proc damage effects have their damage reduced by 25%)

Viper/veli or viper/tremor has made a big comeback.

sly007

Yes, and they've always been too strong.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

In pvp yeah they seem too strong, skoria is hitting for 5k~ thats like 25% of most peoples hp.

Could just add to battle spirit (armor sets that proc damage effects have their damage reduced by 25%)

Viper/veli or viper/tremor has made a big comeback.

Or a monster set that heals you for 30k when you are hit by a proc set. No cool down.

F7sus4

Something else

Chaos/randomness is usually the classical "balancing" factor for covering player mistakes or lack of skill and this is probably the idea behind monster sets.

In this specific case, however, it easily becomes a deadly utility in proper hands without any effort and resource cost.

Vapirko

Something else

I die much less often to monster sets than to zergs and the freakin insane amount of bomblades right now. And sets like bloodspawn are in no way op, it's a very useful set that's applicable to some builds. I think they should do away with 5pc proc sets like viper, and keep monster sets but readjust a few.

Ahzek

Yes, and they've always been too strong.

*Grumble grumble*, procc sets make medium even worse than it is already *grumble*

Mojmir

No, they're fine.

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

I'm sure it's a pvp issue,pve they're fine

Because we shouldn't care about PvP right?

thats not what i meant.

im sure they are overperforming in PVP, in pve they are fine
but we all know how it will get "balanced"

Sugaroverdose

Mojmir wrote: »

I'm sure it's a pvp issue,pve they're fine

Every cheese is fine in PvE

Biro123

Can (and do) people sustain while stacking procsets now?

I don't know any damage procsets (off the top of my head) that are also sustain sets - so Isn't there more of a trade-off? Proc set OR sustain set?

Qbiken

No, they're fine.

Biro123 wrote: »

Can (and do) people sustain while stacking procsets now?

I don't know any damage procsets (off the top of my head) that are also sustain sets - so Isn't there more of a trade-off? Proc set OR sustain set?

Why I use procsets

Sylphie

When you nerf light/medium armor sustain yet still allow heavy to be viable for some specs, peoeple will resort to using proc sets to make up for their loss in damage from building for sustain. Expected this would happen as soon as I saw the unnecessary (imo) nerf to cost reduction for armor passives.