Once again I see people spamming the chat to join a guild, we keep seeing how far they can go with their greed, another guild saying to use the guild store it's a 10k weekly fee, if you don't pay they will kick you out if the guild.

For kicks I went to the guild leaders and officers homes to see what they have... Herm... They all own the biggest homes in the game, and some own every home in game... All maxed out with expensive decorations...

Coincidence?

Now yes they could have bought it with IRL money..
But then you wonder where all that gold goes from guild fees?

Guild stores bennofit only one person, the guild leaders and maybe a few officers... They​ don't use the gold for it's members to secure Trader stalls every week like it should.
I've seen in a guild bank with over twenty million gold in it, at the end of the week they say they got out bid on a guild store Trader stalls... Or that they did not have enough money for a good spot so they got a cheeper one way out in Timbuktu...

Where did all that gold go to?

Why does every guild leaders have the biggest max level home with all the most elite​ furniture?

Only a few Guilds that I look at have a guild leaders that's not abusing the guild store Trader system.... You can tell they use the money for the guild.... How? They have a free home or standard home and normal furniture.
Fees are low, or by donation. And some how they still get Trader stalls...

Sorry but facts show the corruption of the current guild store system. It to easy to make a monopoly, use your guild members as a source of free gold, exploting and leeching off it's members.

An Auction House would end the monopoly by opening up trade system to everyone playing... This will put money back to the people and not in the pockets of guild leaders.

Guilds are not ment to be a gold farmers Paradise.... Guilds are supposed to be for fellowship, a way to find like minded people to adventure with....

If you don't believe me see for yourself, go to your guild leader's homes, watch how much money is in the guild bank...

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Queo wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Queo wrote: »

Tannakaobi wrote: »

The current system is crazy, it would be better in my opinion if there was a market square somewhere in each faction where you could access all the traders for said faction. I just don't see any good reason for having them spread out all over the place.

Imagine if real life worked like that. "Right then kids, we bought the sugar from X, got in the car and drove to Y where we managed to find the flour. Now we need to get back in the car and head to Z to see if they have butter, but don't worry, if they don't we can get the boat from there to A which is only a short walk from B and C. I'm sure one of them will have the butter."

It's insane...

Edit: And by the way, I simply do not trade much in this game. I store everything I find, make everything I need and only ever use the stores to buy bargains while passing. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

... you dondt do that? My wife and I sit down with the news paper to see which of the 2 markets is selling what we get the deals at one place, and then go to the other place and get those deals.

The problem with this is that we don't get the newspaper in ESO. You have to randomly travel from store to store and zone to zone and try and remember where the best deal was. If you are looking for a specific item it is a huge pain in the ass and you may never find what you are looking for.

I was searching for a specific sword the other day and gave up after 6 zones worth of travel and dozens of vendors searched.

Drachenfier wrote: »

Queo wrote: »

Xylphan wrote: »

Megabear wrote: »

I prefer unified auction house. More competition = better prices.

That's pretty naive. Global auction houses have been abused in every single MMO I've ever played, some to the point where the devs/mods had to step in to deal with the problem.

Unregulated markets are bad m'kay. Competition only works until one fish eats everyone else in the pond.

Unregulated markets that lack any way for healthy competition is bad. Over regulated is also bad.

I agree global auction is such a BAAAADDDD idea.

Healthy competition is created by the unrestricted flow of goods. Prices go down because items are abundant....some people want to keep charging more for things that just aren't worth that much, and that's why they defend this current system.

Sounds good in theory, however, the problem is with out some SMALL regulatory rules and laws that balance will never keep true. Going back to the pond analogy, the bigger fish will eventually gobble up all the smaller fish. That's the natural course of business. There needs to be a balance, problems happen when there is no regulation or WAY to much.

Again going back to the pond, it needs eagles to hunt the bigger fish to keep there population down so they dont eat the pond. However if the eagle only hunts a specific type of fish, that pond is not in balance and will have issues.

Back to the game, by separating all the Guild stores they are maintaining the games balance.

Yes its a pain in the butt if your looking for a special sword, however, you yourself can do shouts looking for the sword. your not helpless as a consumer either.

This is a poor analogy because you're assuming that the supply of smaller fish is limited. Rare items are, by virtue of being rare, going to have higher prices and abundant items are going to have lower prices. In an unrestricted market, prices regulate themselves by the amount of supply. This is a good thing. This prevents people from over charging buyers. If prices are being driven down by competition, then your items just aren't worth as much as you want them to be.
That's the reality of supply and demand, and the only way I can see anyone justifying ESO"s current system is because they're greedy and want to continue gouging people by keeping their prices artificially inflated due to limited market competition.

Easy salutations, lock the Guilds gold funds where it can only be used for store Trader stalls bidding. Not even the guild leaders have access to it other than that.

If guild leader's start saying to give the gold directly to them only then you will know they are using their members as sheeple cash cows and then they should be reported as gold farmers and have their accounts and IP address permanently​ band.

Linaleah wrote: »

Iluvrien wrote: »

you missed the point. The item is not the smaller fish. The smaller fish are the sellers. Having 1 auction house will enable people who want corner markets to do so easily. Many people, myself included, have brought in examples of games where this has happened.

but that's literally not how it works. whenever someone tries to corner the market (and usually fails) small fish sellers simply get their stuff bought faster, but the big guy attempting to corner the market. and in cases where they try to push the smaller guy out by listing well bellow of what item should cost - small guy in an MMO, unlike real life? can just wait it out. meanwhile buyers get to have items that are far cheaper than they should be (and for example of what I mean by far cheaper than it should be - glass motifs right now, selling for less then the vendor price of an item that is required to create them in a first place, the cause is different, but the fact that they are now listed for less then they should be - remains. the winners here are buyers)

you cannot corner markets forever. not in an mmo, where supply is not limited the way it is in RL, and you cannot simply keep buying up and relisting forever. unified trading house allows EVERYONE to participate successfully.

no its not, ive seen it happen in to many games, time after time. Again many people pointed it out where in their game moving to a single AH made the economy go *** up.

Queo wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

Iluvrien wrote: »

you missed the point. The item is not the smaller fish. The smaller fish are the sellers. Having 1 auction house will enable people who want corner markets to do so easily. Many people, myself included, have brought in examples of games where this has happened.

but that's literally not how it works. whenever someone tries to corner the market (and usually fails) small fish sellers simply get their stuff bought faster, but the big guy attempting to corner the market. and in cases where they try to push the smaller guy out by listing well bellow of what item should cost - small guy in an MMO, unlike real life? can just wait it out. meanwhile buyers get to have items that are far cheaper than they should be (and for example of what I mean by far cheaper than it should be - glass motifs right now, selling for less then the vendor price of an item that is required to create them in a first place, the cause is different, but the fact that they are now listed for less then they should be - remains. the winners here are buyers)

you cannot corner markets forever. not in an mmo, where supply is not limited the way it is in RL, and you cannot simply keep buying up and relisting forever. unified trading house allows EVERYONE to participate successfully.

no its not, ive seen it happen in to many games, time after time. Again many people pointed it out where in their game moving to a single AH made the economy go *** up.

Yet WoW still has the AH model big and strong for the past 14 years

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Lag post~

I hope your in-game lag is better!

Queo wrote: »

Drachenfier wrote: »

Queo wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Queo wrote: »

Tannakaobi wrote: »

The current system is crazy, it would be better in my opinion if there was a market square somewhere in each faction where you could access all the traders for said faction. I just don't see any good reason for having them spread out all over the place.

Imagine if real life worked like that. "Right then kids, we bought the sugar from X, got in the car and drove to Y where we managed to find the flour. Now we need to get back in the car and head to Z to see if they have butter, but don't worry, if they don't we can get the boat from there to A which is only a short walk from B and C. I'm sure one of them will have the butter."

It's insane...

Edit: And by the way, I simply do not trade much in this game. I store everything I find, make everything I need and only ever use the stores to buy bargains while passing. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

... you dondt do that? My wife and I sit down with the news paper to see which of the 2 markets is selling what we get the deals at one place, and then go to the other place and get those deals.

The problem with this is that we don't get the newspaper in ESO. You have to randomly travel from store to store and zone to zone and try and remember where the best deal was. If you are looking for a specific item it is a huge pain in the ass and you may never find what you are looking for.

I was searching for a specific sword the other day and gave up after 6 zones worth of travel and dozens of vendors searched.

Drachenfier wrote: »

Queo wrote: »

Xylphan wrote: »

Megabear wrote: »

I prefer unified auction house. More competition = better prices.

That's pretty naive. Global auction houses have been abused in every single MMO I've ever played, some to the point where the devs/mods had to step in to deal with the problem.

Unregulated markets are bad m'kay. Competition only works until one fish eats everyone else in the pond.

Unregulated markets that lack any way for healthy competition is bad. Over regulated is also bad.

I agree global auction is such a BAAAADDDD idea.

Healthy competition is created by the unrestricted flow of goods. Prices go down because items are abundant....some people want to keep charging more for things that just aren't worth that much, and that's why they defend this current system.

Sounds good in theory, however, the problem is with out some SMALL regulatory rules and laws that balance will never keep true. Going back to the pond analogy, the bigger fish will eventually gobble up all the smaller fish. That's the natural course of business. There needs to be a balance, problems happen when there is no regulation or WAY to much.

Again going back to the pond, it needs eagles to hunt the bigger fish to keep there population down so they dont eat the pond. However if the eagle only hunts a specific type of fish, that pond is not in balance and will have issues.

Back to the game, by separating all the Guild stores they are maintaining the games balance.

Yes its a pain in the butt if your looking for a special sword, however, you yourself can do shouts looking for the sword. your not helpless as a consumer either.

This is a poor analogy because you're assuming that the supply of smaller fish is limited. Rare items are, by virtue of being rare, going to have higher prices and abundant items are going to have lower prices. In an unrestricted market, prices regulate themselves by the amount of supply. This is a good thing. This prevents people from over charging buyers. If prices are being driven down by competition, then your items just aren't worth as much as you want them to be.
That's the reality of supply and demand, and the only way I can see anyone justifying ESO"s current system is because they're greedy and want to continue gouging people by keeping their prices artificially inflated due to limited market competition.

you missed the point. The item is not the smaller fish. The smaller fish are the sellers. Having 1 auction house will enable people who want corner markets to do so easily. Many people, myself included, have brought in examples of games where this has happened.

Not examples, but unverified claims, such as SWTOR, where my experience as a casual GTN user has been in line with what a supply and demand driven economy would look like exactly. Much better than this, I can assure you.

Prices are regulated by competition. You, and those like you that support the ESO market system, do not want price regulation, or competition.

New game, new world, new builds,.... ZoS let's put an Auction House in Morrowind....!!

chosen out of principle whenever leading and biased "reasons" are added to poll options.

Mattock_Romulus wrote: »

I'm making a killing off of the trader system.

This!

FuriousFridge wrote: »

scipionumatia wrote: »

Diablo 3 tried using a universal auction house and got rid of it for good reasons. When everything is together like that everyone just tries to undercut each other and value of items drops quickly. I'm happy with the way things are now

Yeah they stopped using it for a different reason other than undercutting lol

wait, I missed that one. someone brought up diablo 3 action house? do they realize that the issue wasn't that it was centralized but that it used REAL MONEY and that is what made people upset?

Lets just hope the person thats responsible for this crap trade guild system never ever gets involved in future mmo developement again.

Still think there is time to code in an Auction House forward Morrowind....

vpy wrote: »

I am a relatively newcomer to ESO.

One thing that struck me shocking is the absence of single auction house.

In ESO the guild traders are far and apart and even when shopping for a gear/weapon it quickly becomes a pain.

So my fellow mates how many of you want a single unified auction house.

We can have several guild traders physically but they are all tied to single central repository to sell/buy items.

People really need to stop making these threads. A single ah Will never happen they have said so already.