Changes to the 2p health bonus of automaton/light speaker/spider cultist/war maiden but not sun set

laksikus · May 2017

So several of intended DPS sets will be changed.
Instead of the 2p bonus thats health on everyone of them, they get weapon/spell crit

those sets include automaton (+400 damage to phsyica), war maiden (+400 dmg to mag), netch (+400 to lightning), ysgramor (+400 to ice), light speaker (+450 dmg to restro), spider cultist (+450 dmg to dw)

3 other sets are similar to that in base game already, just with a different bonus order: spelunker (400 to undaunted), vampire lord (400 to vampire abilities), sword singer (450 to 2h)

ZOS says:
Sets like War Maiden, Netch’s Touch, and Ysgramor’s Legacy are meant to be damage or healing focused by augmenting a particular element or skill line, so the 2-piece bonus of Max Health was out of place for this theme. We’ve updated them to have more appropriate 2-piece bonuses instead.

fine and good, but we miss 1 particular set here.
what did you do with silk of the sun?

in base game its the same as netch and ysgramor just with different element in 5p bonus, why didnt you change that one?

@ZOS_GinaBruno

laksikus · May 2017

@ZOS_RichLambert @Wrobel

Stamden · May 2017

It's simple really:

Because DKs can use that set, and ZoS hates DKs

React · May 2017

Personally I'm pretty upset they're removing that bonus from the strength of the automaton. The health was a large factor in what attracted me to the set, as it provided a high damage medium set that also bolstered HP. Oh well though.

NightbladeMechanics · May 2017

I was excited for the line of health in war maiden too. Now I'm just...meh.

laksikus · May 2017

@Liam12548 @NightbladeMechanics
Nobody forces you to put all points into your main pool and nothing into health.
Or use some health enchants instead.

But for the minmax crowd its good and makes sense. A dps Set shouldn't give sustain or survivability, thats what you can achieve with glyphs and your attribute points

HoloYoitsu · May 2017

laksikus wrote: »

@Liam12548 @NightbladeMechanics
Nobody forces you to put all points into your main pool and nothing into health.
Or use some health enchants instead.

But for the minmax crowd its good and makes sense. A dps Set shouldn't give sustain or survivability, thats what you can achieve with glyphs and your attribute points

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laksikus · May 2017

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

@Liam12548 @NightbladeMechanics
Nobody forces you to put all points into your main pool and nothing into health.
Or use some health enchants instead.

But for the minmax crowd its good and makes sense. A dps Set shouldn't give sustain or survivability, thats what you can achieve with glyphs and your attribute points

Thats Not a dps Set. Thats a healer/Support set
No endgame pve Player will use that, maybe some healers who havent farmed any gear...
Its a pvp Set for templars in heavy armor.

Ashamray · May 2017

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

@Liam12548 @NightbladeMechanics
Nobody forces you to put all points into your main pool and nothing into health.
Or use some health enchants instead.

But for the minmax crowd its good and makes sense. A dps Set shouldn't give sustain or survivability, thats what you can achieve with glyphs and your attribute points

129 recovery
200 spd
1000 hp

That is neither sustain nor survivability nor dps

Psilent · May 2017

laksikus wrote: »

@Liam12548 @NightbladeMechanics
Nobody forces you to put all points into your main pool and nothing into health.
Or use some health enchants instead.

But for the minmax crowd its good and makes sense. A dps Set shouldn't give sustain or survivability, thats what you can achieve with glyphs and your attribute points

Maybe for PvE, but for PvP I loved the health bonus on Automaton.

MadMattatatta · May 2017

has anyone this thread looked at sun on this weeks pts just wondering if it did get skipped over or just left out of the patch notes. I can't access the pts

RoyJade · May 2017

Just checked on the pts via itemization browser, automaton, sword dancer, netch and other are updated but sun still have the health bonus.

laksikus · May 2017

Psilent wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

@Liam12548 @NightbladeMechanics
Nobody forces you to put all points into your main pool and nothing into health.
Or use some health enchants instead.

But for the minmax crowd its good and makes sense. A dps Set shouldn't give sustain or survivability, thats what you can achieve with glyphs and your attribute points

Maybe for PvE, but for PvP I loved the health bonus on Automaton.

For pvp it makes sense too. Just use a health enchant on 1 big piece

clocksstoppe · May 2017

I don't get why they nerfed BSW to the ground though. War maiden is now literally better.

Masel · May 2017

clocksstoppe wrote: »

I don't get why they nerfed BSW to the ground though. War maiden is now literally better.

War maiden only buffs magic damage, so ALL elemental damage skills don't benefit from it. BSW was way overtuned and deserved a nerf, same holds for necropotence.

laksikus · May 2017

clocksstoppe wrote: »

I don't get why they nerfed BSW to the ground though. War maiden is now literally better.

War maiden will be very good for templar and magblade. Netch for sorc and sun Not for dk cos of the 2p...

clocksstoppe · May 2017

Masel92 wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

I don't get why they nerfed BSW to the ground though. War maiden is now literally better.

War maiden only buffs magic damage, so ALL elemental damage skills don't benefit from it. BSW was way overtuned and deserved a nerf, same holds for necropotence.

Elemental damage is magic damage..

laksikus · May 2017

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

I don't get why they nerfed BSW to the ground though. War maiden is now literally better.

War maiden only buffs magic damage, so ALL elemental damage skills don't benefit from it. BSW was way overtuned and deserved a nerf, same holds for necropotence.

Elemental damage is magic damage..

Doesnt work that way. Only buffs skills that say magic damage. So no dk skills, no sorc skills except frags, but all nb skills

DPShiro · May 2017

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

I don't get why they nerfed BSW to the ground though. War maiden is now literally better.

War maiden only buffs magic damage, so ALL elemental damage skills don't benefit from it. BSW was way overtuned and deserved a nerf, same holds for necropotence.

Elemental damage is magic damage..

No it's not. You really have no clue have you?
Elemental damage is skills like Wall of Elements, Liquid Lightning, where Magic damage is skills like Sweeps, Strife etc

Biro123 · May 2017

I think I'd have preferred the health for PVP

SirCritical · May 2017

Liam12548 wrote: »

Personally I'm pretty upset they're removing that bonus from the strength of the automaton. The health was a large factor in what attracted me to the set, as it provided a high damage medium set that also bolstered HP. Oh well though.

You still can put a maxHP glyph in one of the big armorpieces. I dunno ofc how much are you focused on crit chance. If not, then this is a loss of stamina, true.

Nelson_Rebel · May 2017

laksikus wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

I don't get why they nerfed BSW to the ground though. War maiden is now literally better.

War maiden only buffs magic damage, so ALL elemental damage skills don't benefit from it. BSW was way overtuned and deserved a nerf, same holds for necropotence.

Elemental damage is magic damage..

Doesnt work that way. Only buffs skills that say magic damage. So no dk skills, no sorc skills except frags, but all nb skills

nvm misinterpreted

side note-

is d.a.f.u.q REALLY censored? Really?

KingJ · May 2017

Liam12548 wrote: »

Personally I'm pretty upset they're removing that bonus from the strength of the automaton. The health was a large factor in what attracted me to the set, as it provided a high damage medium set that also bolstered HP. Oh well though.

I loved the Health bonus on Automaton can we please keep the 2 piece of as health for strength of the automaton @ZOS_GinaBruno .The health bonus made it a great medium armor set.

laksikus · May 2017

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

I don't get why they nerfed BSW to the ground though. War maiden is now literally better.

War maiden only buffs magic damage, so ALL elemental damage skills don't benefit from it. BSW was way overtuned and deserved a nerf, same holds for necropotence.

Elemental damage is magic damage..

Doesnt work that way. Only buffs skills that say magic damage. So no dk skills, no sorc skills except frags, but all nb skills

Uhh tf?

Elemental damage IS magic damage dude. This has been proved loooonnggg ago.

side note-

is d.a.f.u.q REALLY censored? Really?

and where has it been proven?
as far as i know war maiden is the first armor that works that way.

SodanTok · May 2017

laksikus wrote: »

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

I don't get why they nerfed BSW to the ground though. War maiden is now literally better.

War maiden only buffs magic damage, so ALL elemental damage skills don't benefit from it. BSW was way overtuned and deserved a nerf, same holds for necropotence.

Elemental damage is magic damage..

Doesnt work that way. Only buffs skills that say magic damage. So no dk skills, no sorc skills except frags, but all nb skills

Uhh tf?

Elemental damage IS magic damage dude. This has been proved loooonnggg ago.

side note-

is d.a.f.u.q REALLY censored? Really?

and where has it been proven?
as far as i know war maiden is the first armor that works that way.

Nowhere. He is talkin out of his...

War Maiden is one of the standardized sets that give damage to skills based on type of their damage or weapon skill line. War Maiden will definitely work as all those sets, therefore increasing damage of all abilities that deal magic damage (not shock, not fire, not anything else) same way that automaton increases damage of all abilities that deal physical damage (not poison, not disease, not anything else)

laksikus · May 2017

ye, i just logged into pts to see myself, and as i suspected, war maiden works on magic damage but not on flame like wall of fire

danno8 · May 2017

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

I don't get why they nerfed BSW to the ground though. War maiden is now literally better.

War maiden only buffs magic damage, so ALL elemental damage skills don't benefit from it. BSW was way overtuned and deserved a nerf, same holds for necropotence.

Elemental damage is magic damage..

Doesnt work that way. Only buffs skills that say magic damage. So no dk skills, no sorc skills except frags, but all nb skills

Uhh tf?

Elemental damage IS magic damage dude. This has been proved loooonnggg ago.

side note-

is d.a.f.u.q REALLY censored? Really?

Elemental Damage are skills that do Fire, Ice and Shock damage.

Magic damage is it's own damage type.

War Maiden specifically says it adds x sp damage to Magic damage. Notice how it does not say "Elemental" damage.

Also, a skill that uses magicka is not the same as one that does Magic damage.

Nelson_Rebel · May 2017

laksikus wrote: »

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

I don't get why they nerfed BSW to the ground though. War maiden is now literally better.

War maiden only buffs magic damage, so ALL elemental damage skills don't benefit from it. BSW was way overtuned and deserved a nerf, same holds for necropotence.

Elemental damage is magic damage..

Doesnt work that way. Only buffs skills that say magic damage. So no dk skills, no sorc skills except frags, but all nb skills

Uhh tf?

Elemental damage IS magic damage dude. This has been proved loooonnggg ago.

side note-

is d.a.f.u.q REALLY censored? Really?

and where has it been proven?
as far as i know war maiden is the first armor that works that way.

Sorry I misinterpreted the sets verbage and your post.

you are correct

NightbladeMechanics · May 2017

laksikus wrote: »

@Liam12548 @NightbladeMechanics
Nobody forces you to put all points into your main pool and nothing into health.
Or use some health enchants instead.

But for the minmax crowd its good and makes sense. A dps Set shouldn't give sustain or survivability, thats what you can achieve with glyphs and your attribute points

I would never trade magicka attribute points for spell crit, which is what you're suggesting here. Thanks for not understanding how PvP builds and PvP min/maxing work.

These sets wouldn't even be BiS over scathing or bsw in PvE anyway, so why do you care so much about sun's health line? You do realize force pulse gives you like 70% uptime on scathing, right?

React · May 2017

Lol, who the hell suggests moving attribute points out of resources into health on a DPS/PvP build...? That is simply not the way to go in this game in it's current state. The line of health was VERY useful for achieving around 24-25k health on a medium armor build, but instead we will get a small amount of crit. Unfortunately, there is no place that I can deduct crit from in favor of health, because my weapon crit comes from : CP passive, dual wield passive w/daggers, medium armor passives, set bonuses etc. Health comes from CP allocation, set bonuses, undaunted passives, and from your 1 piece of heavy in a medium armor build running 5/1/1 (or 5/2 if you choose to exchange the light piece for another heavy piece). This is simply a loss of health for a small amount of crit. What this WILL allow for is the removal of a dagger in favor of a different 1h weapon in dual wield builds, HOWEVER in PvP many DW builds do not use daggers. Personally I prefer an axe/sword, axe/mace, or sword/mace.

STEVIL · May 2017

Actually my beef is that looks like most if not all three of the new overland drops are better than the crafteds for most purposes you would be using them for.

no surprise, just depressing.