The social bottleneck of Raiding is insurmountable

Dantaria · May 2017

I was about to sympathize... But then I saw OP's nickname

Oh, I do remember you. Very well

You and your perfect world, in which... You stand and taunt. And the DD - for example, me - hits her hardest, keeps herself alive, chains the mobs and debuffs the boss. And admires you, it seems. If, you know, I have a single breath of time

No, my dear. That's not how it works. I'm not doing your job. You are the last person I want to see in my raid in tank role.

I'll stick with good tanks. Those who understand that DDs are squishy and already have enough on their plate, because DPSing hard and staying alive is hard in endgame content. Most of the time, we do not have time and resources to chain mobs. We can't sacrifice our sets for 5 Alkosh because if we do, the whole team - including you - dies on DPS-check.

Tank who can't bother to stack and root cats on 1st vMoL boss... No. No. Nicht. Niet. Never.

Never.

TARAFRAKA · May 2017

Dantaria wrote: »

I was about to sympathize... But then I saw OP's nickname Oh, I do remember you. Very well

You and your perfect world, in which... You stand and taunt. And the DD - for example, me - hits her hardest, keeps herself alive, chains the mobs and debuffs the boss. And admires you, it seems. If, you know, I have a single breath of time

No, my dear. That's not how it works. I'm not doing your job. You are the last person I want to see in my raid in tank role.

I'll stick with good tanks. Those who understand that DDs are squishy and already have enough on their plate, because DPSing hard and staying alive is hard in endgame content. Most of the time, we do not have time and resources to chain mobs. We can't sacrifice our sets for 5 Alkosh because if we do, the whole team - including you - dies on DPS-check.

Tank who can't bother to stack and root cats on 1st vMoL boss... No. No. Nicht. Niet. Never.

Never.

Yet he insists all his prior claims about gear and builds were all just a joke.
Yea, i am not buying that. I remember him well and he absolutely believed the garbage advice he was spewing. Maybe he doesnt now but he did then. He would never admit to that of course.
I dont often think there are some who will simply never git gud but if ever there was one, its him.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · May 2017

Maybe all of XBOX NA read any one of your prior tanking threads where you claim things are BIS and then scream at people that prove you wrong?

TARAFRAKA · May 2017

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Maybe all of XBOX NA read any one of your prior tanking threads where you claim things are BIS and then scream at people that prove you wrong?

Exactly.
When he made a thread looking for a trials guild awhile back, we all had a good laugh.

F7sus4 · May 2017

When I first read the OPs post I instantly imagined a really really bad player with horrible attitude that will be the first one to call people elitist for simply being good while not even understanding how much dedication and (quite often altruistic) teamplay it is required in raiding groups for them to exist and become successful. And then I found this:

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

Ill be honest OP.
We are on the same platform and having read your previous posts on tanking...has led me and others to be sure the tanks we invite specifically are NOT you.

Your previous opinions, behavior, tank builds and lack of understanding of basic trial mechanics displayed on the forum over an extended period make it clear you would be immensely toxic and detrimental to any of the teams I raid with, who all compete for number one leaderboard scores.

You are incredibly hostile to the friendliest and most knowledgeable members of the trial community across all platforms and we would never give someome that exhibits your agressive demeanor the time of day.

Best of luck to you.

Yeah. Basically 10/10 guess.

It's not the "elites" that are toxic. It's the bad players (be it player-skill or social-skill or theorycrafting-skill) that call other people elitist.

F7sus4 · May 2017

(double)

Danksta · May 2017

It seems the OP's tanking methods are even more infamous then the OP himself.

F7sus4 · May 2017

Danksta wrote: »

It seems the OP's tanking methods are even more infamous then the OP himself.

Nose one is better than Spoda - dye legend of tonk.

Drakkdjinn · May 2017

Shameless plug:

<The Sleeping Dragon Inn> 480+ NA PC is looking for more! We have norm trial farming groups daily and progression vet groups 3 nights a week! Msg @Drakkdjinn or @Helel-Yojimbo for an invite

Discord, guild hall etc etc

TARAFRAKA · May 2017

Drakkdjinn wrote: »

Shameless plug:

<The Sleeping Dragon Inn> 480+ NA PC is looking for more! We have norm trial farming groups daily and progression vet groups 3 nights a week! Msg @Drakkdjinn or @Helel-Yojimbo for an invite

Discord, guild hall etc etc

Good luck if you take this guy!

Royaji · May 2017

Inb4 "elitist guild kicked me out of trial" post.

Poor guy, his reputation is so bad now he might have to start a new account just to get into some higher end content.
I wish he would have learned his lesson but something tells me he is unable to admit his own mistakes. He will keep on blaming everyone else and crying on the forums about evil "elitists"

At least his threads are funny to read sometimes. (I had a great laugh from the "Pirate Skeleton is BiS thread")

F7sus4 · May 2017

Royaji wrote: »

Poor guy, his reputation is so bad now he might have to start a new account just to get into some higher end content.

There's still a possibility to change your @userID and rename your characters but unfortunately there's very little chance to stop being yourself.

Jurand80 · May 2017

F7sus4 wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

Poor guy, his reputation is so bad now he might have to start a new account just to get into some higher end content.

There's still a possibility to change your @userID and rename your characters but unfortunately there's very little chance to stop being yourself.

Touché! Apply water to the burned area ;D

The_Art_of_Paw · May 2017

Thank you for sharing the topic and discussion, it is a very interesting read and gives good insight in to the end game raid scene.

Were I in a similar position as the OP, I would have found the information very difficult to absorb as it looks like a skirmish back and forth until close to half way in people start discussing the focus on buffing other party members instead of oneself in end game raiding. In such a skirmish I would feel too upset to be able to take on advice.

I find ESO tactics different to decipher as group buffs come from sets which require finding out about the set somehow (reading, seeing it on auction, etc) Other games I have played showed these effects in skill trees with gear being purely self focused. So I empathise with the OP in his struggle to branch out in to the end game community.

Hoping you all have a great end to the week to start your weekend raids. May you all find heart to one day give the OP a chance to experience the end game should he choose to take on board the discussion. We all start somewhere and he certainly has a lot of heart and dedication with what he has experienced so far.

All the best to everyone, have fun out there.

Fuz · May 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Fix the damn lfg and add raids to it.

This.
Every single instance should be on the LFG.

TARAFRAKA · May 2017

The_Art_of_Paw wrote: »

Thank you for sharing the topic and discussion, it is a very interesting read and gives good insight in to the end game raid scene.

Were I in a similar position as the OP, I would have found the information very difficult to absorb as it looks like a skirmish back and forth until close to half way in people start discussing the focus on buffing other party members instead of oneself in end game raiding. In such a skirmish I would feel too upset to be able to take on advice.

I find ESO tactics different to decipher as group buffs come from sets which require finding out about the set somehow (reading, seeing it on auction, etc) Other games I have played showed these effects in skill trees with gear being purely self focused. So I empathise with the OP in his struggle to branch out in to the end game community.

Hoping you all have a great end to the week to start your weekend raids. May you all find heart to one day give the OP a chance to experience the end game should he choose to take on board the discussion. We all start somewhere and he certainly has a lot of heart and dedication with what he has experienced so far.

All the best to everyone, have fun out there.

Unfortunately, this nowhere near the first encounter with the OP. A majority of his interactions with the trial community is condescending babble and accusations from a clearly inexperienced individual.

Had he approached it like most people, with an open mind and willingness to learn from others mistakes and experiences..this thread wouldnt have taken the tragic turn it did.

Vahrokh · May 2017

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

There is zero reason a magdk dps can't chain in adds, it's not like it aggros them.

Yeah, it does agro them.

Here's the deal. In this game tanking is not about absorbing all the damage and sucking up agro, to an extent. Tanking and healing both are about buffing your group and debuffing the enemy, there is a line you must find between buffs/debuffs and holding agro. Your job isn't just stay alive and taunt stuff, your job is to make sure that the pretty little damage dealers can run around hitting as hard as possible. Pirate Skeleton gives YOU a buff, not the group. For example, bloodspawn gives you an armour buff but it generates lots of ultimate allowing you to blow more war horns, thus buffing the group.

This idea that every end game player is "cancerous", "elitist", etc is just not true. A good majority of players will help you but you can't come in telling them what you are and are not going to do. You cannot come into any content and just expect to be put on first team, run whatever you want, and continue to raid. There is no social bottleneck of raiding. There is, however, a type of people that players don't want to raid with. You sir, are such a person.

P.S. That crit buff you give is for weapon crit....to a group of what is most likely all Magicka builds....

So much this!

WalksonGraves · May 2017

You guys really went digging through my posts like a bunch of psychos. Gl trying to ruin my eso experience ZOS is way ahead of you

idk · May 2017

^^^^ the post 2 up exactly and a tank being asked to raid should expect the raid leader to inquire about what they are wearing, more so if they will have them tank regularly.

Further, based on the OP, a tank with limited experience should be open to information on how to tank a fight. Even more so if the tank has only seen it in normal since vet is very different.

Based on the posts OP has made in other threads he/she an expect to be putting together more gear sets which the post quoted above indicates and explains.

But more importantly, how has this thread stayed alive this long.

WalksonGraves · May 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

^^^^ exactly and a tank being asked to raid should expect the raid leader to inquire about what they are wearing, more so if they will have them tank regularly.

Further, based on the OP, a tank with limited experience should be open to information on how to tank a fight. Even more so if the tank has only seen it in normal since vet is very different.

Based on the posts OP has made in other threads he/she an expect to be putting together more gear sets which the post quoted above indicates and explains.

But more importantly, how has this thread stayed alive this long.

Honestly I left all day and came back to 30 replies. People sure can't handle other opinions on a forum.

TARAFRAKA · May 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

^^^^ exactly and a tank being asked to raid should expect the raid leader to inquire about what they are wearing, more so if they will have them tank regularly.

Further, based on the OP, a tank with limited experience should be open to information on how to tank a fight. Even more so if the tank has only seen it in normal since vet is very different.

Based on the posts OP has made in other threads he/she an expect to be putting together more gear sets which the post quoted above indicates and explains.

But more importantly, how has this thread stayed alive this long.

Honestly I left all day and came back to 30 replies. People sure can't handle other opinions on a forum.

Not when you blatantly claim trash sets are BIS FOR TANKS!
People tell you you are very wrong, and you just scream your claims louder.

IronCrystal · May 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

You guys really went digging through my posts like a bunch of psychos. Gl trying to ruin my eso experience ZOS is way ahead of you

We didn't "dig you up". We blatantly remember you because you argued with us. A lot

Bobby_V_Rockit · May 2017

I got ny 2 divines and 3 gold VO jewellery, no more raids for THIS stam sorc hahaha

WalksonGraves · May 2017

I don't remember insignificant people let alone care about their opinions.

Silver_Strider · May 2017

That's what I love about FFXIV, apart from a working group finder, of course.

There's a Raid Finder, which allows you to actually practice raid content at whatever point you need practice on.
A Party Finder that allows you to set up groups for whatever content you want with whatever limitations you want to set up, such as which classes you want, how many of a certain role you want, item level you want people to be, etc.
Several different roulette to PUG with.

Honestly, fixing the LFG tools needs to be made a priority over everything else in ESO. From there, they can start setting up the rest of the tools required to actually stop ESO from being a steaming turd in the grouping department.

Blake6332 · May 2017

Silver_Strider wrote: »

That's what I love about FFXIV, apart from a working group finder, of course.

There's a Raid Finder, which allows you to actually practice raid content at whatever point you need practice on.
A Party Finder that allows you to set up groups for whatever content you want with whatever limitations you want to set up, such as which classes you want, how many of a certain role you want, item level you want people to be, etc.
Several different roulette to PUG with.

Honestly, fixing the LFG tools needs to be made a priority over everything else in ESO. From there, they can start setting up the rest of the tools required to actually stop ESO from being a steaming turd in the grouping department.

As has been stated in this thread countless times, the games grouping tools are not the problem here. Its the OP.

That said, I would like a group finder similar to GW2's, and would like to never see a trial finder.

Woeler · May 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

I don't remember insignificant people let alone care about their opinions.

Don't worry, we know as you keep posting.

TARAFRAKA · May 2017

Woeler wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

I don't remember insignificant people let alone care about their opinions.

Don't worry, we know as you keep posting.

Thats the heart of it right there. No one elses opinions matter which is precisely why you arent able to mesh into endgame teams. Its about the team @WalksonGraves
What benefits the team so you ALL accomplish the goal.

Ep1kMalware · May 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

I've been playing eso since launch on xbox and am stuck at raid content. Every time I've actually done a raid it's went well but I can count on one hand the amount of times I've been able to try. Here's why:

Raid groups don't need tons of tanks. You essentially have to start your own guild and recruit everyone if that is your role.

Finding 11 people minimum who all have the right gear and level and class for raiding who ALSO happen to have synchronized schedules across multiple time zones is basically impossible by meeting people in game.

This requires as much time and effort as running a small business with an unpaid staff that has to be constantly interacted with or they wander off. I don't play video games to be a social butterfly. Talking to random people on xbox is generally abhorrent.

This is a game, nothing should be this much work. Fix the damn lfg and add raids to it. If I can pug Zul'Grurub I can pug anything eso can throw at me.

And for what? Some ugly blue lightning skin? Some tanking set no one uses?
There isn't even a reward to justify the effort other than waving your e peen around on the leader boards.

Depends on the guild. The guild I'm in uses discord app. between vmol/norm trials/vet trials, vet hm trials there is a raid every 2-3hrs. They post a roster where you just enter your name next to the role. There's always room for 2 tanks.

And ya know, you can't really complain if you confine yourself to just 1 role, it comes with the territory there. we're on 2 diff platforms so it's not like I can invite you to my guild, but best toon to get onto a trial with is magdk. They're useful and there's not too many of them.

F7sus4 · May 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Further, based on the OP, a tank with limited experience should be open to information on how to tank a fight. Even more so if the tank has only seen it in normal since vet is very different.

Tank is a person that must understand and follow the mechanics of the fights top-notch. DPSers POV is far more forgiving in that matter and their deaths still allow to recover (as a matter of fact you can get pushed through most Trials by simply not standing in stupid as a DD). If tanks die - it's basically a wipe. You can't just go there and become a rock-star instantly. And if tank is a lone-wolf instead of a team-player - he's just useless burden.