The social bottleneck of Raiding is insurmountable

WalksonGraves · May 2017

bone pirate =/= pirate skeleton

Doctordarkspawn · May 2017

Raiding is like competative play. It takes far too much work for the reletivelly short lived satisfaction.

How far do you need to go down that road, before you see where it leads?

Just leave it. If the endgame community of this game, which is the most elitist, bad tempered, and toxic endgame I have ever seen, wants to push all new blood away, then let them die out.

Artis · May 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Oompuh wrote: »

There are many guilds looking for good tanks. GOOD tanks. Ones that don't use special snowflake argonian nb non sap pirate skeleton, no ebon alkosh, not giving anything to the group. No one's looking for that

Someone is salty that they can't come up with their own build. Fyi I add group crit through nb passives, I am constantly putting all aggro'd targets off balance and can out ult a dk 2:1.
Keep parroting the "meta" from 2015 it's going to be even less relevant in morrowind.

LOL and here is the answer. Damn @Oompuh you're good - how did you guess? Bull's eye! Impressive.

Fingolfinn01 · May 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

I've been playing eso since launch on xbox and am stuck at raid content. Every time I've actually done a raid it's went well but I can count on one hand the amount of times I've been able to try. Here's why:

Raid groups don't need tons of tanks. You essentially have to start your own guild and recruit everyone if that is your role.

Finding 11 people minimum who all have the right gear and level and class for raiding who ALSO happen to have synchronized schedules across multiple time zones is basically impossible by meeting people in game.

This requires as much time and effort as running a small business with an unpaid staff that has to be constantly interacted with or they wander off. I don't play video games to be a social butterfly. Talking to random people on xbox is generally abhorrent.

This is a game, nothing should be this much work. Fix the damn lfg and add raids to it. If I can pug Zul'Grurub I can pug anything eso can throw at me.

And for what? Some ugly blue lightning skin? Some tanking set no one uses?
There isn't even a reward to justify the effort other than waving your e peen around on the leader boards.

strange usually chat channel is spamming lf tank.

Especially on console, where one would think and dps role would be extremely popular.

Talking to random peeps is the way of mmo's. Many dungeon parties, raids, and guilds hve been built on the back of random greetings.

Though if ya don't own a keyboard for you console that would most likely make it hard.

Chairo_Kuma · May 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

I tried that, I'm in 4 guilds as it is. Every guild leader ive met is also main tank.

This guild leaders is main trail healer.

pizzaow · May 2017

Have you tried the forum group for guilds? There are a few that are trial-centric groups and usually have set times they run. When starting out, look for a progression guild where they aren't focused on leaderboard times. These groups will be more welcoming of new vet trial players and take some time training them. I had joined a few, but I didn't start getting invited to trials until I began participating with the guild... going into voice chat, helping other guild members, running dailies with the guild... if they don't know you, they aren't likely to invite you to stuff.

I also agree with what @IronCrystal mentioned about making a DPS. As you've already discovered its much easier to join a trial as a DPS than as a tank. This will help teach mechanics and its much less pressure on you; if you screw up as a DPS then you usually don't wipe the group. I also main a tank, so I sympathize with your spot. But I can say that playing as a DPS has absolutely helped my tanking. You'll get a new perspective on what is nice that some tanks do and what some tanks do that sucks. You might also pick up some new tricks from the tank.

All that being said, it would be great if the dungeon finder worked for trials too... I've always thought that instead of putting together a 'full pug' group, you should be required to make a small group first (minimum 4) then have dungeon finder fill in the blanks. Today, you can put together a group just by asking in zones (craglorn, wayrest, mournhold, etc.) but its always annoying because the first 4-6 spots fill up quick, then it takes 10-20 minutes to fill the last few.

TARAFRAKA · May 2017

Ill be honest OP.
We are on the same platform and having read your previous posts on tanking...has led me and others to be sure the tanks we invite specifically are NOT you.

Your previous opinions, behavior, tank builds and lack of understanding of basic trial mechanics displayed on the forum over an extended period make it clear you would be immensely toxic and detrimental to any of the teams I raid with, who all compete for number one leaderboard scores.

You are incredibly hostile to the friendliest and most knowledgeable members of the trial community across all platforms and we would never give someome that exhibits your agressive demeanor the time of day.

Best of luck to you.

DPShiro · May 2017

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

Ill be honest OP.
We are on the same platform and having read your previous posts on tanking...has led me and others to be sure the tanks we invite specifically are NOT you.

Your previous opinions, behavior, tank builds and lack of understanding of basic trial mechanics displayed on the forum over an extended period make it clear you would be immensely toxic and detrimental to any of the teams I raid with, who all compete for number one leaderboard scores.

Have no idea of he plays on EU/NA, but I have done the same, just in case.

WalksonGraves · May 2017

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

Ill be honest OP.
We are on the same platform and having read your previous posts on tanking...has led me and others to be sure the tanks we invite specifically are NOT you.

Your previous opinions, behavior, tank builds and lack of understanding of basic trial mechanics displayed on the forum over an extended period make it clear you would be immensely toxic and detrimental to any of the teams I raid with, who all compete for number one leaderboard scores.

Ha right, so because I disagree with the forum consensus on two sets I somehow don't understand trial mechanics.
What's toxic is a community that only accepts one proven build and is afraid to experiment. I have never had any problems tanking anything in eso with my build and I'm not about to scrap a 3 year old character that works like a dream.

Dps can run alkosh, dps can run chains.

TARAFRAKA · May 2017

DPShiro wrote: »

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

Ill be honest OP.
We are on the same platform and having read your previous posts on tanking...has led me and others to be sure the tanks we invite specifically are NOT you.

Your previous opinions, behavior, tank builds and lack of understanding of basic trial mechanics displayed on the forum over an extended period make it clear you would be immensely toxic and detrimental to any of the teams I raid with, who all compete for number one leaderboard scores.

Have no idea of he plays on EU/NA, but I have done the same, just in case.

BINGO. He has completely alienated himself due to his own behavior. People that think no one remembers them in game are in denial.
You think it is hard to identify the argonian NB with 50k HP WITHOUT Ebon/Alkosh/PA spamming invigorating drain on Mantikora while insisting he totally knows this will work and its the best strat ever for ult regen??
Its not.
His inability to find decent raid groups are, without a doubt, entirely of his own doing.

Danksta · May 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Oompuh wrote: »

There are many guilds looking for good tanks. GOOD tanks. Ones that don't use special snowflake argonian nb non sap pirate skeleton, no ebon alkosh, not giving anything to the group. No one's looking for that

Someone is salty that they can't come up with their own build. Fyi I add group crit through nb passives, I am constantly putting all aggro'd targets off balance and can out ult a dk 2:1.
Keep parroting the "meta" from 2015 it's going to be even less relevant in morrowind.

I don't tank but the fact that you can't grasp a simple concept like Warhorn rotations shows me that I probably know more about tanking than you.

TARAFRAKA · May 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

Ill be honest OP.
We are on the same platform and having read your previous posts on tanking...has led me and others to be sure the tanks we invite specifically are NOT you.

Your previous opinions, behavior, tank builds and lack of understanding of basic trial mechanics displayed on the forum over an extended period make it clear you would be immensely toxic and detrimental to any of the teams I raid with, who all compete for number one leaderboard scores.

Ha right, so because I disagree with the forum consensus on two sets I somehow don't understand trial mechanics.
What's toxic is a community that only accepts one proven build and is afraid to experiment. I have never had any problems tanking anything in eso with my build and I'm not about to scrap a 3 year old character that works like a dream.

Dps can run alkosh, dps can run chains.

But you have never really tanked anything in endgame. You said so yourself. We dont care that you tanked Skoria, I have 2 manned him. And every other dungeon. You have never cleared the hardest content in the game and with good reason. Hardmodes require near flawless cooperation on all fronts from gear, skills and builds. You adamantly refuse. Your choice.
Raids are endgame content that require group synergy and flexibility. Your complete unwillingness to fit into that is why you are in this situation.

IronCrystal · May 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

Ill be honest OP.
We are on the same platform and having read your previous posts on tanking...has led me and others to be sure the tanks we invite specifically are NOT you.

Your previous opinions, behavior, tank builds and lack of understanding of basic trial mechanics displayed on the forum over an extended period make it clear you would be immensely toxic and detrimental to any of the teams I raid with, who all compete for number one leaderboard scores.

Ha right, so because I disagree with the forum consensus on two sets I somehow don't understand trial mechanics.
What's toxic is a community that only accepts one proven build and is afraid to experiment. I have never had any problems tanking anything in eso with my build and I'm not about to scrap a 3 year old character that works like a dream.

Dps can run alkosh, dps can run chains.

I would recommend following the meta a bit closer as that's what been proven to work as you learn mechanics. You said yourself you barely get to raid so why should anyone listen to an inexperienced player?

As you get into trials and become accepted as a reliable tank, then you can start trying out new builds since you are experienced in the content. If you are trying to get into a group with non-meta setups, people are much less likely to want you.

WalksonGraves · May 2017

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

Ill be honest OP.
We are on the same platform and having read your previous posts on tanking...has led me and others to be sure the tanks we invite specifically are NOT you.

Your previous opinions, behavior, tank builds and lack of understanding of basic trial mechanics displayed on the forum over an extended period make it clear you would be immensely toxic and detrimental to any of the teams I raid with, who all compete for number one leaderboard scores.

Ha right, so because I disagree with the forum consensus on two sets I somehow don't understand trial mechanics.
What's toxic is a community that only accepts one proven build and is afraid to experiment. I have never had any problems tanking anything in eso with my build and I'm not about to scrap a 3 year old character that works like a dream.

Dps can run alkosh, dps can run chains.

But you have never really tanked anything in endgame. You said so yourself. We dont care that you tanked Skoria, I have 2 manned him. And every other dungeon. You have never cleared the hardest content in the game and with good reason. Hardmodes require near flawless cooperation on all fronts from gear, skills and builds. You adamantly refuse. Your choice.
Raids are endgame content that require group synergy and flexibility. Your complete unwillingness to fit into that is why you are in this situation.

I cleared vhel ra easily and mol I got halfway through and had to quit because I had work early the next day. At no point was my tanking an issue. Essentially the problem is people have this idea that only dks can tank when they don't have any real reasons for it.

DPShiro · May 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

Ill be honest OP.
We are on the same platform and having read your previous posts on tanking...has led me and others to be sure the tanks we invite specifically are NOT you.

Your previous opinions, behavior, tank builds and lack of understanding of basic trial mechanics displayed on the forum over an extended period make it clear you would be immensely toxic and detrimental to any of the teams I raid with, who all compete for number one leaderboard scores.

Ha right, so because I disagree with the forum consensus on two sets I somehow don't understand trial mechanics.
What's toxic is a community that only accepts one proven build and is afraid to experiment. I have never had any problems tanking anything in eso with my build and I'm not about to scrap a 3 year old character that works like a dream.

Dps can run alkosh, dps can run chains.

But you have never really tanked anything in endgame. You said so yourself. We dont care that you tanked Skoria, I have 2 manned him. And every other dungeon. You have never cleared the hardest content in the game and with good reason. Hardmodes require near flawless cooperation on all fronts from gear, skills and builds. You adamantly refuse. Your choice.
Raids are endgame content that require group synergy and flexibility. Your complete unwillingness to fit into that is why you are in this situation.

I cleared vhel ra easily and mol I got halfway through and had to quit because I had work early the next day. At no point was my tanking an issue. Essentially the problem is people have this idea that only dks can tank when they don't have any real reasons for it.

If you are talking about non HM vHRC and normal MoL, I'm sorry to say, but a scamp can pretty much tank those, or a random DD with ice staff. They are not hard at all.

TARAFRAKA · May 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

Ill be honest OP.
We are on the same platform and having read your previous posts on tanking...has led me and others to be sure the tanks we invite specifically are NOT you.

Your previous opinions, behavior, tank builds and lack of understanding of basic trial mechanics displayed on the forum over an extended period make it clear you would be immensely toxic and detrimental to any of the teams I raid with, who all compete for number one leaderboard scores.

Ha right, so because I disagree with the forum consensus on two sets I somehow don't understand trial mechanics.
What's toxic is a community that only accepts one proven build and is afraid to experiment. I have never had any problems tanking anything in eso with my build and I'm not about to scrap a 3 year old character that works like a dream.

Dps can run alkosh, dps can run chains.

But you have never really tanked anything in endgame. You said so yourself. We dont care that you tanked Skoria, I have 2 manned him. And every other dungeon. You have never cleared the hardest content in the game and with good reason. Hardmodes require near flawless cooperation on all fronts from gear, skills and builds. You adamantly refuse. Your choice.
Raids are endgame content that require group synergy and flexibility. Your complete unwillingness to fit into that is why you are in this situation.

I cleared vhel ra easily and mol I got halfway through and had to quit because I had work early the next day. At no point was my tanking an issue. Essentially the problem is people have this idea that only dks can tank when they don't have any real reasons for it.

Yea...mol as in normal..
Thats trash content. It is near soloable except the twin mechanic. You are not in a position to know if your build works because you have NEVER seen the VET HARDMODE content. And at the rate you are quickly slingshotting, you never will.
I am not saying that to be hurtful. I am saying it because its true.

WalksonGraves · May 2017

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

Ill be honest OP.
We are on the same platform and having read your previous posts on tanking...has led me and others to be sure the tanks we invite specifically are NOT you.

Your previous opinions, behavior, tank builds and lack of understanding of basic trial mechanics displayed on the forum over an extended period make it clear you would be immensely toxic and detrimental to any of the teams I raid with, who all compete for number one leaderboard scores.

Ha right, so because I disagree with the forum consensus on two sets I somehow don't understand trial mechanics.
What's toxic is a community that only accepts one proven build and is afraid to experiment. I have never had any problems tanking anything in eso with my build and I'm not about to scrap a 3 year old character that works like a dream.

Dps can run alkosh, dps can run chains.

But you have never really tanked anything in endgame. You said so yourself. We dont care that you tanked Skoria, I have 2 manned him. And every other dungeon. You have never cleared the hardest content in the game and with good reason. Hardmodes require near flawless cooperation on all fronts from gear, skills and builds. You adamantly refuse. Your choice.
Raids are endgame content that require group synergy and flexibility. Your complete unwillingness to fit into that is why you are in this situation.

I cleared vhel ra easily and mol I got halfway through and had to quit because I had work early the next day. At no point was my tanking an issue. Essentially the problem is people have this idea that only dks can tank when they don't have any real reasons for it.

Yea...mol as in normal..
Thats trash content. It is near soloable except the twin mechanic. You are not in a position to know if your build works because you have NEVER seen the VET HARDMODE content. And at the rate you are quickly slingshotting, you never will.
I am not saying that to be hurtful. I am saying it because its true.

Slingshotting? I have not seen hm content because the dps and healers weren't up to it I have total confidence in my build.

TARAFRAKA · May 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

Ill be honest OP.
We are on the same platform and having read your previous posts on tanking...has led me and others to be sure the tanks we invite specifically are NOT you.

Your previous opinions, behavior, tank builds and lack of understanding of basic trial mechanics displayed on the forum over an extended period make it clear you would be immensely toxic and detrimental to any of the teams I raid with, who all compete for number one leaderboard scores.

Ha right, so because I disagree with the forum consensus on two sets I somehow don't understand trial mechanics.
What's toxic is a community that only accepts one proven build and is afraid to experiment. I have never had any problems tanking anything in eso with my build and I'm not about to scrap a 3 year old character that works like a dream.

Dps can run alkosh, dps can run chains.

But you have never really tanked anything in endgame. You said so yourself. We dont care that you tanked Skoria, I have 2 manned him. And every other dungeon. You have never cleared the hardest content in the game and with good reason. Hardmodes require near flawless cooperation on all fronts from gear, skills and builds. You adamantly refuse. Your choice.
Raids are endgame content that require group synergy and flexibility. Your complete unwillingness to fit into that is why you are in this situation.

I cleared vhel ra easily and mol I got halfway through and had to quit because I had work early the next day. At no point was my tanking an issue. Essentially the problem is people have this idea that only dks can tank when they don't have any real reasons for it.

It has nothing to do with the fact that you are a Nightblade tank, it has everything to do with the fact that you think 50k Hp is appropriate, you think spamming invigorating drain on a trial boss works. you think Ebon should be worn by the healer, DPS should wear alkosh and chains, you think Chudan and freaking Pirate Skeleton are BIS for TANKS.
IT IS NOT BC YOU ARE A NB TANK. IT IS LITERALLY EVERYTHING ELSE YOU ARE AND BELIEVE.
/thread

WalksonGraves · May 2017

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

Ill be honest OP.
We are on the same platform and having read your previous posts on tanking...has led me and others to be sure the tanks we invite specifically are NOT you.

Your previous opinions, behavior, tank builds and lack of understanding of basic trial mechanics displayed on the forum over an extended period make it clear you would be immensely toxic and detrimental to any of the teams I raid with, who all compete for number one leaderboard scores.

Ha right, so because I disagree with the forum consensus on two sets I somehow don't understand trial mechanics.
What's toxic is a community that only accepts one proven build and is afraid to experiment. I have never had any problems tanking anything in eso with my build and I'm not about to scrap a 3 year old character that works like a dream.

Dps can run alkosh, dps can run chains.

But you have never really tanked anything in endgame. You said so yourself. We dont care that you tanked Skoria, I have 2 manned him. And every other dungeon. You have never cleared the hardest content in the game and with good reason. Hardmodes require near flawless cooperation on all fronts from gear, skills and builds. You adamantly refuse. Your choice.
Raids are endgame content that require group synergy and flexibility. Your complete unwillingness to fit into that is why you are in this situation.

I cleared vhel ra easily and mol I got halfway through and had to quit because I had work early the next day. At no point was my tanking an issue. Essentially the problem is people have this idea that only dks can tank when they don't have any real reasons for it.

It has nothing to do with the fact that you are a Nightblade tank, it has everything to do with the fact that you think 50k Hp is appropriate, you think spamming invigorating drain on a trial boss works. you think Ebon should be worn by the healer, DPS should wear alkosh and chains, you think Chudan and freaking Pirate Skeleton are BIS for TANKS.
IT IS NOT BC YOU ARE A NB TANK. IT IS LITERALLY EVERYTHING ELSE YOU ARE AND BELIEVE.
/thread

*Sigh* My hp is 36k, healers wearing ebon is a joke, so is your build if you die by 1k. There is zero reason a magdk dps can't chain in adds, it's not like it aggros them.

Chudan is bis was an obvious troll you guys get so angry. Pirate skeleton is bis, it's like a free ult that happens all the time. I'm sorry your dk isn't good enough to handle the healing reduction.

TARAFRAKA · May 2017

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WalksonGraves · May 2017

Oh man how could I possibly know the boss mechanics? If only it was heavily documented on multiple sites!

IronCrystal · May 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Oh man how could I possibly know the boss mechanics? If only it was heavily documented on multiple sites!

EDIT: That was sarcasm on your part.

You seem to know everything about the trials but have never even been in one.

TARAFRAKA · May 2017

IronCrystal wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Oh man how could I possibly know the boss mechanics? If only it was heavily documented on multiple sites!

EDIT: That was sarcasm on your part.

You seem to know everything about the trials but have never even been in one.

This^^^
And instead of taking guidance from those who are experienced, you argue and shun those willing to help at every turn.
You're on your own, buddy. I wouldnt help you complete Vmol if you paid me.
Cant speak for all others but i think most who have encountered you probably feel the same.

zaria · May 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

KerinKor wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Finding 11 people minimum who all have the right gear and level and class for raiding who ALSO happen to have synchronized schedules across multiple time zones is basically impossible by meeting people in game.

It works perfectly well in other games fore those that want that level of commitment; WOW is of course the prime example but by no means the only one, LoTRO's raids are similar in their requirements.

That said, WOW's LFR makes raiding available to a lot more people and ZOS could do a lot better at providing 'raid' content for those for whom the current limited raid tiering doesn't provide them with content they can do.

I had the same problem in wow, getting 40 people online at the same time for a few hours straight is hard for a company with paid employees let alone gamers.

In ESO the solution is to have so many people in the raiding group that you always find enough players.
And trials require 2 tanks, 2 healers and 8 dd giving far more dd spots than dungeons.

TARAFRAKA · May 2017

zaria wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

KerinKor wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Finding 11 people minimum who all have the right gear and level and class for raiding who ALSO happen to have synchronized schedules across multiple time zones is basically impossible by meeting people in game.

It works perfectly well in other games fore those that want that level of commitment; WOW is of course the prime example but by no means the only one, LoTRO's raids are similar in their requirements.

That said, WOW's LFR makes raiding available to a lot more people and ZOS could do a lot better at providing 'raid' content for those for whom the current limited raid tiering doesn't provide them with content they can do.

I had the same problem in wow, getting 40 people online at the same time for a few hours straight is hard for a company with paid employees let alone gamers.

In ESO the solution is to have so many people in the raiding group that you always find enough players.
And trials require 2 tanks, 2 healers and 8 dd giving far more dd spots than dungeons.

Trust me, that is not his specific issue. Its..literally everything else about him.

OutLaw_Nynx · May 2017

I'm still waiting for those video of you tanking..

TARAFRAKA · May 2017

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

I'm still waiting for those video of you tanking..

Me too.

DjMuscleboy02 · May 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

There is zero reason a magdk dps can't chain in adds, it's not like it aggros them.

Yeah, it does agro them.

Here's the deal. In this game tanking is not about absorbing all the damage and sucking up agro, to an extent. Tanking and healing both are about buffing your group and debuffing the enemy, there is a line you must find between buffs/debuffs and holding agro. Your job isn't just stay alive and taunt stuff, your job is to make sure that the pretty little damage dealers can run around hitting as hard as possible. Pirate Skeleton gives YOU a buff, not the group. For example, bloodspawn gives you an armour buff but it generates lots of ultimate allowing you to blow more war horns, thus buffing the group.

This idea that every end game player is "cancerous", "elitist", etc is just not true. A good majority of players will help you but you can't come in telling them what you are and are not going to do. You cannot come into any content and just expect to be put on first team, run whatever you want, and continue to raid. There is no social bottleneck of raiding. There is, however, a type of people that players don't want to raid with. You sir, are such a person.

P.S. That crit buff you give is for weapon crit....to a group of what is most likely all Magicka builds....

TARAFRAKA · May 2017

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

There is zero reason a magdk dps can't chain in adds, it's not like it aggros them.

Yeah, it does agro them.

Here's the deal. In this game tanking is not about absorbing all the damage and sucking up agro, to an extent. Tanking and healing both are about buffing your group and debuffing the enemy, there is a line you must find between buffs/debuffs and holding agro. Your job isn't just stay alive and taunt stuff, your job is to make sure that the pretty little damage dealers can run around hitting as hard as possible. Pirate Skeleton gives YOU a buff, not the group. For example, bloodspawn gives you an armour buff but it generates lots of ultimate allowing you to blow more war horns, thus buffing the group.

This idea that every end game player is "cancerous", "elitist", etc is just not true. A good majority of players will help you but you can't come in telling them what you are and are not going to do. You cannot come into any content and just expect to be put on first team, run whatever you want, and continue to raid. There is no social bottleneck of raiding. There is, however, a type of people that players don't want to raid with. You sir, are such a person.

P.S. That crit buff you give is for weapon crit....to a group of what is most likely all Magicka builds....

I

you.

TheQueenOfSass · May 2017

@WalksonGraves I suggest looking for a raid guild after you decently gear up as a DPS and run like that for a while until you get to know people they will most likely let you try different roles. ESPECIALLY if it is a progression guild. If that's not for you, just join any trials guild as a tank and show interest to learn since some run multiple core teams and/or progression runs! I'm from PC NA and I am assuming guilds function somewhat similar to what they do on Xbox. Anyways, good luck!