Pro #17 - I can still wear Pirate skeleton and shield but not reduce my outgoing healing to my group (minor defile is only my healing received my outgoing healing).

Twilight Matriarch can heal up to 2 targets, but it's not reliable and can be killed, summoning takes some time. Sorc even with Resto staff will never heal as much as real healer, but it can fulfil some supportive role. In PvP you can just kill the pet and ignore the Sorc until he's last one standing.

I was thinking of maybe playing Sorc healer in PvE... but better than Templar? I don't think so.

Remembrance heals for way more than Absorption Field. The latter is great to absorb stuff and stun mobs when the mechanics allow it and it makes a difference for the group, also it's way more expensive. We'll have to see how nerfed Remembrance will perform anyway, though. Maybe Practiced Incantation will be the preferred morph now as well.

Combat Prayer has a small cone and is mainly used for the buff. Healing Springs for sustained AoE healing on a stacked group. Healing Ward might be something to think about more on Templar now since it's non directional, especially in PvP, but I do think Rushed Ceremony will still perform better. It's a big difference when you can actually heal the next target after healing the previous one, instead of being stuck spamming Healing Ward on the same player over and over again while the rest of the team is dying. All of these are also not Sorc specific.

Templar also has Extended Ritual, Radiant Aura and Purifying Light, plus Spear Shards are much easier to pick up for others.

"The new BoL" is the same as "the old BoL" except you have to be half mindful of where injured opponents are instead of button spamming like a potato.

All classes can heal just fine, especially with the orbs changes for resource sustain.

dont worry, the only healers any group will endup needing are wardens, they are nerfing everybody else(give them time they will nerf sorc in meaningful ways)

im betting full groups of wardens will endup being a thing...since they will be the new hottness, the uber class...till sales fall off..then...nerf!!!

these changes *** with sorcs as well though, my regen was already pretty much *** now...im gonna have to figure out a way to offset the fact they seem to have this idea that lower regens and longer combat with trash mobs=more fun...i guess for some it does... for me....it just makes me glad i own gw2...at least i got something else i can play after they ruin eso for my friends...who will all endup quitting as the game becomes to much like the gold standard of korean grinders.....

ToRelax wrote: »

I was thinking of maybe playing Sorc healer in PvE... but better than Templar? I don't think so.

Remembrance heals for way more than Absorption Field. The latter is great to absorb stuff and stun mobs when the mechanics allow it and it makes a difference for the group, also it's way more expensive. We'll have to see how nerfed Remembrance will perform anyway, though. Maybe Practiced Incantation will be the preferred morph now as well.

Combat Prayer has a small cone and is mainly used for the buff. Healing Springs for sustained AoE healing on a stacked group. Healing Ward might be something to think about more on Templar now since it's non directional, especially in PvP, but I do think Rushed Ceremony will still perform better. It's a big difference when you can actually heal the next target after healing the previous one, instead of being stuck spamming Healing Ward on the same player over and over again while the rest of the team is dying. All of these are also not Sorc specific.

Templar also has Extended Ritual, Radiant Aura and Purifying Light, plus Spear Shards are much easier to pick up for others.

If you're using Rememberance in PvE content, you honestly have no idea what you're doing. I'm speaking PvP where Util Heal is viable and basically a wash as far as group utility (vs Negate).

Any class can heal just fine. Some have more usefull tools aka being more supportive. But everyone can be a great healer, it all depends on the player.

But there is one thing that outperforms them all and that's the Warden.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Any class can heal just fine. Some have more usefull tools aka being more supportive. But everyone can be a great healer, it all depends on the player.

But there is one thing that outperforms them all and that's the Warden.

You are right with this, you can literally heal all content in the game with just healing ward, rapid regen and healing springs but then you go on to say the warden outperforms the rest. I am not sure what you mean by that. From where I am sitting, it looks like pretty much the same, as in they do not​ bring any specific that makes them better, like shards and repentance used to be for Templar.

Warden OP.

sorcs can definitely get the job done but they will not hold a candle to wardens once everything is figured out.

I imagine that wardens will give dk tanks a run for their money tanking as well.

and given the massive assortment of buffs and sustain available to the wardens someone will figure out how to make them dps beyond what's available now.

a warden can heal with a resto staff, heavy armor and heavy attacks. Throwing down hots and buffs when necessary and let the bear dps.

no other class will be able to do that like a warden. I'm definitely gonna roll one for sure. So flexible.

says it right there in the ability notes.

clocksstoppe wrote: »

I agree with your points except one: what does lich have to do with this? Anyone can run lich.

Agreed. Templar could run that too. I think when I started the list I was more thinking of what's needed to build it. Templar healers these days don't/can't typically run Lich though because none of them are capable of surviving in light armor, which is not an issue for the sorc with shield stacking if he gets pressured.

Pallio wrote: »

Any class can be a functional secondary healer, Warden will be primary healer.

Dracane wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Any class can heal just fine. Some have more usefull tools aka being more supportive. But everyone can be a great healer, it all depends on the player.

But there is one thing that outperforms them all and that's the Warden.

You are right with this, you can literally heal all content in the game with just healing ward, rapid regen and healing springs but then you go on to say the warden outperforms the rest. I am not sure what you mean by that. From where I am sitting, it looks like pretty much the same, as in they do not​ bring any specific that makes them better, like shards and repentance used to be for Templar.

Warden OP.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Any class can heal just fine. Some have more usefull tools aka being more supportive. But everyone can be a great healer, it all depends on the player.

But there is one thing that outperforms them all and that's the Warden.

You are right with this, you can literally heal all content in the game with just healing ward, rapid regen and healing springs but then you go on to say the warden outperforms the rest. I am not sure what you mean by that. From where I am sitting, it looks like pretty much the same, as in they do not​ bring any specific that makes them better, like shards and repentance used to be for Templar.

ashenb14_ESO wrote: »

dont worry, the only healers any group will endup needing are wardens, they are nerfing everybody else(give them time they will nerf sorc in meaningful ways)

im betting full groups of wardens will endup being a thing...since they will be the new hottness, the uber class...till sales fall off..then...nerf!!!

these changes *** with sorcs as well though, my regen was already pretty much *** now...im gonna have to figure out a way to offset the fact they seem to have this idea that lower regens and longer combat with trash mobs=more fun...i guess for some it does... for me....it just makes me glad i own gw2...at least i got something else i can play after they ruin eso for my friends...who will all endup quitting as the game becomes to much like the gold standard of korean grinders.....

Does a single one of you have PTS access to the Warden? Honestly curious on whether your claims are substantiated or just words.

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

"The new BoL" is the same as "the old BoL" except you have to be half mindful of where injured opponents are instead of button spamming like a potato.

That's fine if you pigeon hole the Magicka Templar into "healer" like everyone else does, since they don't know how to build/play it otherwise. But when you play DPS Magicka Templar and you're jabbing in a locked direction, and multi-tasking damage and would like to heal your ally, adding in a directional heal when you're at melee range in front of your group basically makes the secondary heal worthless. Especially if you're on Xbox with slow rotational camera speed.

ESO - Elder Sorcs Online

Best DPS, best healers and best tanks since they have the best resource management, at least if nothing changes.

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

BigES wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

I agree with your points except one: what does lich have to do with this? Anyone can run lich.

Agreed. Templar could run that too. I think when I started the list I was more thinking of what's needed to build it. Templar healers these days don't/can't typically run Lich though because none of them are capable of surviving in light armor, which is not an issue for the sorc with shield stacking if he gets pressured.

Wait wut? I've been healing vMoL HM in 7 light armor for a long time now. If I need a shield, I use harness on my backbar. The only time you've seen Templar healers in heavy armor has been in PvP because PvP has literally forced most builds into heavy armor anyways. But for PvE content, no way.

Yeah... that comment was PvP specific I think that went without saying. But yes you shouldn't wear heavy armor in vMoL lol.

All serious trial healers are running Spell Power Cure plus a secondary utility set, such as Worm, Mending, etc. All of these can technically be run on any class. The best remaining quality of life argument I have for Templars is the one and only AOE magicka steal. Gone are the days of trying to ele drain 1 - 5 targets while keeping everyone alive.