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What are people dreading so much about morrowind patch?
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Wolfenbelle✭✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Compound it by the fact at least one major streamer is leaving after being directly invited to ZOS and -asked- his opinion on where to take the direction of the game, and either being ignored or taken far too literally, and people are panicking because none of this screams 'good update'.
Both Sypher and Deltia are gone. Alcast is staying as far as I know, but has made his dislike of these changes public in a video. I don't know about other prominent streamers/youtubers, but these three have long been an important source of positive public relations for Elder Scrolls Online as well as an important resource for players seeking tips on how to improve their characters in both PVP and PVE, how to level up crafting, etc. Their opinions matter to a lot of people. The public relations hit to the game from their negative public feedback regarding these patch notes cannot be underestimated.
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✭Wolfenbelle wrote: »How does one nerf pve, if anything the content becomes more difficult for every player equally.
(1) If you need to ask that question, you don't know squat about the game.
(2) And if you think content becomes more difficult for every player equally, you haven't read the patch notes thoroughly.
I may have missed something or the other in the patch notes yes, as to pve i can still do all the content in the game just the same as before except it may be a bit more difficult and i may need to use a different build. However the game is still balanced and pve content is still very much doable so whats the issue?
Questing is not the issue ... to many players PVE is synonymious to trails, raids, pledges, hence the more difficult and exept maelstrom solemly group based play (some call that endcontent for a reason ^^). Your version of PVE (as in questing, exploring the open world, do a public dungon etc) has little to nothing in common with this form of PVE exept, that its located outside Cyrodiil-PVPs areas.
I think we should get better terms for each kind of PVE ... newer players may (rightfully) not really see a difference (after all: everyone has done some questing ... not all of us do raids/trials etc) .
edit: btt:
I actually don't dread about the changes to CP. Its been worse with sustain during the first month' of eso and we survived that.
I am very furious about what ZOS did to the templar and I have sympathy for the ill-beaten NBs. The simple fact that classes are butchered (sry, but the wording "nerf" is just too positive imho) and the guts of trying to sell it as a "buff" to the playerbase makes me bitter. The nerve to talk about this changes to templars as if they are just a little tweakin' (yes, gina @ZOS_GinaBruno: I'll say it again) without even having the slightest idea about the class-abilities (28m radius healing ult?), the everyday weak performance expierienced by your playerbase (Come again: how am I supposed to target my heals when I am rubberbanding and abilities fire at will (or not at all) during combat?) is a clear sign of the "appreciation" you have for us. Least to say, its unprofessional to show your contempt this obvious.
The uninspired perspective for the templer class makes me weary. To me the changes to templars (not just these but summed up through the years) sound like: yeah we make a healerclass - but bc its healling its really bad at damage, crowd control, tanking and yeah bc its good at healing it not very mobile too, and yeah bc its good at healing (and latest: we want our new class to shine) we just let them equipp a restro staff for the major heal buff, the new kid gets whenever needed (for free ofc!) ...
Maybe some players think, its just templars drama... just keep in mind: ZOS is going to release a new chapter and a new class next year ...
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✭✭It's because forums are full of the tiny percentage of players to whom this will make any diffrence, I don't use cost reduction, I've always used plenty of heavy attacks, never been kicked from any groups, pug or otherwise and I've finished everything except vet MoL which to be honest is already for masochists only, a good friend had a run with similar builds on the pats and was very happy, they just dumped points into weapon damage instead.1 -
subtlezeroub17_ESO✭✭✭✭Same thing that happens with every mmo. Threats of quitting, drama-rama, threads filled with dread. Then the xpac comes out and everything is back to normal and the quitters are conveniently back to their addiction. Same old same old. Nothing new here.4 -
D0ntevenL1ft✭✭✭✭✭subtlezeroub17_ESO wrote: »Same thing that happens with every mmo. Threats of quitting, drama-rama, threads filled with dread. Then the xpac comes out and everything is back to normal and the quitters are conveniently back to their addiction. Same old same old. Nothing new here.
We have never seen a patch like this sooooo… yes something new here.5 -
Acid_Glow✭✭✭Everyone needs to adapt and grow and stop complaining because their to comfortable with current their classes.
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✭All of it.
My plan to make a sap tank is on hold.
My stamblade is now on hold.
My templar is crying.
My MagDK is crying.
My stamDK is sitting there with a "*** face" on him.
My stamDK tank is pretty much in the belief that the daedric prince "ZoS" hates tanks.
My Magblade is just wanting to assasins will EVERYONE.
My Sorc is just laughing because they hatin.
So yeah.
Oh and if my VMA inferno staff was alive he would say the following: "Seriously? -.-"Edited by xeNNNNN on April 23, 2017 4:39PMAh, e-communities - the "pinnacle" of the internet............yeah, right.5 -
Saucy_Jack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Here's the thing though.
Every time a change comes, people cry that the sky is falling. Do I think the nerfs to templar in particular (being the class of my main) are great? No. Do I think the super-buffs to warden are great? No. But the name of the game with every patch in existence is ADAPT.
At the same time though, there's a different between not being ABLE to adapt, and simply just not WANTING to adapt.
If a person needs to adapt and CAN'T, then that's a serious issue that needs to be addressed. If a person CAN adapt but WON'T, then frankly they're just a big bubble-blowin' baby.
There are certain famous players who've quit that I would tend to put in the latter category.Edited by Saucy_Jack on April 23, 2017 4:43PMALL HAIL SNUGGLORR THE MAGNIFICENT, KING OF THE RNG AND NIRN'S ONE TRUE GOD! Also, become a Scrub-scriber! SJ Scrubs: Playing games badly to make you feel better about yourself.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭YautjaLanu wrote: »Everyone needs to adapt and grow and stop complaining because their to comfortable with current their classes.
Not everyone wants to. And their entitled to that right.3 -
ScooberSteve✭✭✭✭Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »So far the main changes i see are the coming of warden and the reduced sustian, which as a pvp player im ecstatic about. I completely agree with zos that sustain is stupidly easy conpared to earlier eso. I dont really care about much else of the changes because they dont seem all bad, maybe im missing something.
What is so bad about morrowind?
Yeah you're missing the bit where not everyone, in fact not even the majority, give a damn about PvP.
You're missing the bit where PvE players - who are the significant majority - are sick and tired of seeing their play style, their class, their builds nerfed through the floor just because a vocal minority of PvPers whine when someone beats them.
Don't like getting beat in PvP you have two choices - 1) Git Gud 2) Stop Playing PvP.
I knew I was never going to get good enough at PvP to enjoy it as much as I would want, so I stopped playing PvP.
Not once, not ever, did I throw dolly out the pram and rant that X needs to be nerfed, because I knew those nerfs would have far more impact on PvE than they do on PvP because far fewer players regularly PvP.
All The Best
In all honesty though, Pve outside of vet trials is way way too easy. You can solo normal dungeons, 2 or 3 man most vet dungeons, normal trials always have half the people in heavy or spamming wrecking blow, most the world bosses are soloable, VMA is pretty easy to finish now, 4 dps can do just about any pledge - no need for tanks or healers...
I both PvP and Pve. More Pve than PvP in all honesty. Done VMA on 3 characters, done vet trials etc. So I'm not just a pvper making out Pve is easy. It is too easy in all honesty.
Anyway...
I'm fine with most things except:
Repentance change
Shards change
Igenous change (it means no major mending in PvP ever, wrong solution)
Battle roar changes
Siphoning changes
Everything else I'm ok with in all honesty. CP changes are brilliant imo.
So dks a non healing class is ok to have major mending and not templars?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Saucy_Jack wrote: »Here's the thing though.
Every time a change comes, people cry that the sky is falling. Do I think the nerfs to templar in particular (being the class of my main) are great? No. Do I think the super-buffs to warden are great? No. But the name of the game with every patch in existence is ADAPT.
At the same time though, there's a different between not being ABLE to adapt, and simply just not WANTING to adapt.
If a person needs to adapt and CAN'T, then that's a serious issue that needs to be addressed. If a person CAN adapt but WON'T, then frankly they're just a big bubble-blowin' baby.
There are certain famous players who've quit that I would tend to put in the latter category.
Again, not everyone wants to.
People keep saying people say the sky is falling every single time a new patch drops, and I want to ask, where are you geting this impression?
This is the first patch I've ever seen that could legitimately do serious damage to the game. The only other patch I can think of, was the DB base game patch, which removed bracing. While people didn't like the nerf, they didn't exactly think it was gamebreaking, just unneccesary.
So provide a source.2 -
Myyth✭✭✭✭✭I don't have infinite sustain or resources.
In fact, even with full CP in recovery and ability cost reduction plus full points in light armor skill reductions and every single attribute point put into magicka and nothing else, I still run out of Magicka all the time. I am constantly drinking potions because my magicka bar is empty. My eye is on the potion CD timer so that I can drink a potion as soon as its done.
So yeah, I am dreading these changes. It might make the game unplayable for me if I am already having a problem with resources. Its going to be even worse with even less recovery.Edited by Myyth on April 23, 2017 5:19PM4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Again, not everyone wants to.
People keep saying people say the sky is falling every single time a new patch drops, and I want to ask, where are you geting this impression?
This is the first patch I've ever seen that could legitimately do serious damage to the game. The only other patch I can think of, was the DB base game patch, which removed bracing. While people didn't like the nerf, they didn't exactly think it was gamebreaking, just unneccesary.
So provide a source.
Are you telling me you've never noticed the myriad of threads in the forums pre-every-patch decrying the incoming changes? Every large patch there's like twenty of them. Every one.
As for the "not everyone wants to" - sure, that I can understand. And if a famous player's desire to change their build/rotation is less than their desire to quit, I guess that's their choice too. But that's not going to keep me from considering them a big bubble-blowin' baby, either.
As the saying goes: when life gives you lemons, shut up and eat your dang lemons. There are starving people who would love those lemons.ALL HAIL SNUGGLORR THE MAGNIFICENT, KING OF THE RNG AND NIRN'S ONE TRUE GOD! Also, become a Scrub-scriber! SJ Scrubs: Playing games badly to make you feel better about yourself.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Saucy_Jack wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Again, not everyone wants to.
People keep saying people say the sky is falling every single time a new patch drops, and I want to ask, where are you geting this impression?
This is the first patch I've ever seen that could legitimately do serious damage to the game. The only other patch I can think of, was the DB base game patch, which removed bracing. While people didn't like the nerf, they didn't exactly think it was gamebreaking, just unneccesary.
So provide a source.
Are you telling me you've never noticed the myriad of threads in the forums pre-every-patch decrying the incoming changes? Every large patch there's like twenty of them. Every one.
As for the "not everyone wants to" - sure, that I can understand. And if a famous player's desire to change their build/rotation is less than their desire to quit, I guess that's their choice too. But that's not going to keep me from considering them a big bubble-blowin' baby, either.
As the saying goes: when life gives you lemons, shut up and eat your dang lemons. There are starving people who would love those lemons.
I've seen a myriad of threads decrying the incoming changes, yes. I've seen people take issues with specific parts of them. And, and this is the crucial part, THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO DISAGREE, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT. Some of them make rather good arguements, I suggest you take a moment to -read- them before dismissing them outright.
At no point have I started hearing 'this will kill the game' until recently. And there is legitimate cause to think that. A change, changing the core pillar of how damage is delt without any edits to the content itself? It's entirely likely high end trials, end game PVE will suffer in an outright negative way for this.
If you wish to disagree with people, fine. But dont lie about their opinions with hyperbole.Edited by Doctordarkspawn on April 23, 2017 5:27PM4 -
ScooberSteve✭✭✭✭You people seriously dont get it do you. They drastically changed the game mechanics. I think i speak for everyone when i say im over grinding for gear. The effort it would take to regrind gear rebalance my build. Test how viable it is tweek it.
Whats wrong with wanting to pvp and not grind forever for gear sets. Elder foreveringrindinggearsets Online4 -
Malic✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm dreading that the release of the reworked Secret World will not be released in time for me to completely invest into that. As Morrowwind will likely mark the end of my 3 year relationship with ESO.
Its been a blast and thanks ZOS for making such a cool game. I dont believe in you anymore though. I think your best is behind you with this title.
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✭✭✭✭I dont mind balance changes. But when you take a useful class skill and turn it into something that at best, is almost not worth putting on my bar, and at worst will be used to troll people. I cant help but feel annoyed by what appears to be a clear lack of understanding.Edited by vyndral13preub18_ESO on April 23, 2017 5:34PM0 -
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✭PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »
Can I have your gold and mats?I'm dreading that the release of the reworked Secret World will not be released in time for me to completely invest into that. As Morrowwind will likely mark the end of my 3 year relationship with ESO.
Its been a blast and thanks ZOS for making such a cool game. I dont believe in you anymore though. I think your best is behind you with this title.
Yeah, I went there.
Im giving mats to my guild but I'll save some special items that I will give away in zone chat. Be in Grahtwood on or around when TSW drops and message me "Im the nub on the forums who asked for your stuff" and I promise you, you'll get something pretty dam sweet.
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✭✭✭✭✭I'm not saying people don't have the right to disagree. Go ahead! Disagree! It is everyone's right, and they may revel in it as they wish.
BUT.
Let's say people disagree, but the changes they want ZOS to make don't happen. Then those people are left with three choices:
a) Play the hand they're dealt, and get over it.
b) Play the game in a huff because the changes they wanted implemented didn't happen.
c) Quit altogether
Again, any player is free to make whatever choice they want. People who choose a), I can respect. I can even respect people who choose b), because they're sticking it out for the long haul even when it's difficult, and may even turn into a player from choice a).
People who choose c) are, at least in my mind, no different from a toddler throwing a tantrum, i.e. a big bubble-blowin' baby.ALL HAIL SNUGGLORR THE MAGNIFICENT, KING OF THE RNG AND NIRN'S ONE TRUE GOD! Also, become a Scrub-scriber! SJ Scrubs: Playing games badly to make you feel better about yourself.3 -
mbn89✭✭I'm dreading rolling dc's in the midst of new content. Right before the staff goes home for the weekend. -_-2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Saucy_Jack wrote: »I'm not saying people don't have the right to disagree. Go ahead! Disagree! It is everyone's right, and they may revel in it as they wish.
BUT.
Let's say people disagree, but the changes they want ZOS to make don't happen. Then those people are left with three choices:
a) Play the hand they're dealt, and get over it.
b) Play the game in a huff because the changes they wanted implemented didn't happen.
c) Quit altogether
Again, any player is free to make whatever choice they want. People who choose a), I can respect. I can even respect people who choose b), because they're sticking it out for the long haul even when it's difficult, and may even turn into a player from choice a).
People who choose c) are, at least in my mind, no different from a toddler throwing a tantrum, i.e. a big bubble-blowin' baby.Saucy_Jack wrote: »I'm not saying people don't have the right to disagree. Go ahead! Disagree! It is everyone's right, and they may revel in it as they wish.
BUT.
Let's say people disagree, but the changes they want ZOS to make don't happen. Then those people are left with three choices:
a) Play the hand they're dealt, and get over it.
b) Play the game in a huff because the changes they wanted implemented didn't happen.
c) Quit altogether
Again, any player is free to make whatever choice they want. People who choose a), I can respect. I can even respect people who choose b), because they're sticking it out for the long haul even when it's difficult, and may even turn into a player from choice a).
People who choose c) are, at least in my mind, no different from a toddler throwing a tantrum, i.e. a big bubble-blowin' baby.
Only evil deals in absolutes. And that is the definition of a absolute. Perhaps, rethink on the logic, or lackthereof.
Otherwise, let people get a consensus if you can stand quitting the thread and, in your own logic, being a bubble blowin' baby.
Edit: Also the thing appears to have tripplequoted. Kaaaay. Forums, take yer meds plz.
Oh, and you still lied about peoples opinions, falsely shoving the 'the game is dying' narrative into their mouth, may wanna adress that.Edited by Doctordarkspawn on April 23, 2017 5:44PM3 -
xeNNNNN✭✭✭✭✭
✭Saucy_Jack wrote: »I'm not saying people don't have the right to disagree. Go ahead! Disagree! It is everyone's right, and they may revel in it as they wish.
BUT.
Let's say people disagree, but the changes they want ZOS to make don't happen. Then those people are left with three choices:
a) Play the hand they're dealt, and get over it.
b) Play the game in a huff because the changes they wanted implemented didn't happen.
c) Quit altogether
Again, any player is free to make whatever choice they want. People who choose a), I can respect. I can even respect people who choose b), because they're sticking it out for the long haul even when it's difficult, and may even turn into a player from choice a).
People who choose c) are, at least in my mind, no different from a toddler throwing a tantrum, i.e. a big bubble-blowin' baby.
Thats fair, but honestly...things never change without protest.
if enough people disagree with it then everything is subject to change. Debate, protest, seek change. Sure there isnt "democracy" on the internet but...the principal of it in a community is there regardless of what or where that community is and even the devs say they are subject to change, they are set in stone.Ah, e-communities - the "pinnacle" of the internet............yeah, right.1 -
Mush55✭✭✭✭Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »So far the main changes i see are the coming of warden and the reduced sustian, which as a pvp player im ecstatic about. I completely agree with zos that sustain is stupidly easy conpared to earlier eso. I dont really care about much else of the changes because they dont seem all bad, maybe im missing something.
What is so bad about morrowind?
Yeah you're missing the bit where not everyone, in fact not even the majority, give a damn about PvP.
You're missing the bit where PvE players - who are the significant majority - are sick and tired of seeing their play style, their class, their builds nerfed through the floor just because a vocal minority of PvPers whine when someone beats them.
Don't like getting beat in PvP you have two choices - 1) Git Gud 2) Stop Playing PvP.
I knew I was never going to get good enough at PvP to enjoy it as much as I would want, so I stopped playing PvP.
Not once, not ever, did I throw dolly out the pram and rant that X needs to be nerfed, because I knew those nerfs would have far more impact on PvE than they do on PvP because far fewer players regularly PvP.
All The Best
How does one nerf pve, if anything the content becomes more difficult for every player equally. The content is still very much doable, afaic the pve content in eso is too easy as it is. I dont see why theres an issue with content becoming all around harder for every player meaning the rewards from that content will be more rare and difficult to achieve which in turn makes pve feel alot more rewarding
Try a vet trial, the last time they tried to make them harder all they did was buff trash health and resistances now imagine running the same with your cost and sustain about half as effective because believe it or not as ability cost goes up (cp change) resource management becomes an issue (cp change) and it affects gear choice sustain over dps and with out high enough dps no one will even bother to run trials as they will take a very long time to complete..........2 -
subtlezeroub17_ESO✭✭✭✭D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »subtlezeroub17_ESO wrote: »Same thing that happens with every mmo. Threats of quitting, drama-rama, threads filled with dread. Then the xpac comes out and everything is back to normal and the quitters are conveniently back to their addiction. Same old same old. Nothing new here.
We have never seen a patch like this sooooo… yes something new here.
When you've played as many mmos as I have, all the reactions are not new. It happens in every mmo. I'm pretty over it. :P1