As a templar it makes it easy to quit the game

The nerfs to sustain are extremely heavy handed and over the top, but there is one silver lining; from this low point we can only got up, fine-tune and improve these changes.

At the moment, if you want to manage your resources; you have 3 choices: Heavy attack, activate synergies or cast abilities that restore resources. There is no strategy in resource management in pve, you either include an ability like the Betty Netch or Channeled Focus in your rotation, activate orbs/shards or heavy attack once you run out of magicka.

From what I've seen on PTS so far, whichever way of restoring resources you choose, you're gonna end up heavy attacking to restore magicka/stamina because sustain is so hard.

And because of these sustain changes, you have reduced the amount of fun that players who play dps builds with a complex rotation will have. Because seeing your magicka or stamina evaporate 12 seconds into a bossfight and being forced to heavy attack to continue your rotation is not fun.

Here are some ideas:

How about making the trials harder instead of making the players weaker? Wouldn't that be more fun for the players? Still seeing their builds perform well, but putting new challenges in front of them? Halls of Fabrication is a really cool trial that is doing this so right and big well done on that, but its just not as fun playing through it with our characters so much weaker.
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Make resource management more rewarding and strategic, for example make a CP passive that increases resources restored by abilities and synergies, put it in the blue tree so that the player has to choose between damage, resources or healing.

Make the Undaunted Command passive restore resources to 6 allies closest allies

Activating an ally's synergy restores 1% of your Max Health, Stamina and Magicka each second for 4 seconds to you and 5 nearby allies. This effect can occur once every 10 seconds.

Making those changes would give certain players who have invested in that particular CP passive priority over activating synergies, making synergy usage more strategic.

KingJ wrote: »

zuto40 wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

You guys just made class balanced even worst.

im quitting if this isnt changed when it drops, you want my stuff?

@zuto40 Lol I just canceled my pre orderer I'm not playing this piece of crap if any of this goes through.

hey look on the brightside, black ops 2 is backwards compatible now

See, the thing I don't get the most out of all of this (and I pretty much don't get all of it), is why there are so many approximations, "approximately 42%". The ***? You literally work at the company, you aren't doing second hand calculations with tooltips and percentages like the playerbase, you have the actual numbers on hand, so what the *** do you mean approximately?

Every patch I'm getting more and more convinced that ZOS isn't actually a real company, it's just a single computer sitting in an abandoned warehouse that's programmed to randomize the values of the game every 3 months.

ok, not sure why the next nerf to block.

not sure what you even thinking. there are now heavy hitting skills throguht the block, eos ticking with 5k,
curse, purifing light 12k,

i allready die in 1v2, with perma block cause there are Counters to it. fear, fozzilize any dot ticking throught the block.
bleed ticks with 2k.


so insteed increesing a Little the costs from blockcosts, you Change the tickrate from 2 times the sec to 4 times?
the hell is that? a single second of block will cost me now 2400 Stamina insteed 1200. (600 Stamina each tick with 1 blockcost reduction glyph, 15% from cps and the 34% from passive s/s)

you shoudld increes the costs of block, so anyone could trade dmg into blockcost reduction if someone wants to maintain the tankyness

casparian wrote: »

Shelgon wrote: »

See, the thing I don't get the most out of all of this (and I pretty much don't get all of it), is why there are so many approximations, "approximately 42%". The ***? You literally work at the company, you aren't doing second hand calculations with tooltips and percentages like the playerbase, you have the actual numbers on hand, so what the *** do you mean approximately?

Every patch I'm getting more and more convinced that ZOS isn't actually a real company, it's just a single computer sitting in an abandoned warehouse that's programmed to randomize the values of the game every 3 months.

They probably mean 41.9566792%, but don't want to write that out. Of all the things to pick out of these patch notes, you choose this?

That would just raise even further questions, ~x% would make more sense if it was a smaller number, but 42%? Something like 1.8657346% would seem calculated, and makes it look like you know what you are doing enough to think such a tiny percentage would make a difference, but 41.9343846%? That's hitting levels of arbitrary values I didn't even know existed.

Dreadhsif1978 wrote: »

Just from the patch notes alone, I can tell that Magicka Dragonknights are going to have horrible sustain. The nerf to battle roar, the removal of magicka reduction cp, the lack of regen passives in the class, the regen cp being lowered, and the very high skill cost, more so than any class, is going to make sustaining Mag Dk in general very, very difficult.
I think their skill costs should be lowered to be on par with other classes.
(I don't really have much to say about stam dk as i'm not familiar with it)
I haven't tested it yet on the pts and won't be able to later this week.

This^ x100000000. I already run light armor on live, with two recovery glyphs and one cost reduction. Resource management comes down to using pots/ultis together to keep fighting AND I AM STILL USUALLY STRUGGLING FOR AT LEAST ONE RESOURCE REGARDLESS OF WHAT I AM DOING. These changes will kind of f**k DK's royally. Stam & Mag...

Emma_Overload wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Im fairly worried that all healing was nerfed pretty hard, for all classes and specially for stamina, but Bastion for damage shields wasnt touched.

You can't nerf wrobel favorite class but ruin the game for everyone else.

Ridiculous. Wrobel nerfed Sorcs for 2 years straight while buffing NBs. Now they spent the last 6 months buffing DKs and Temps while still ignoring Sorcs except to cut our Overload ultimate in half! The only actual buffs we've seen since the game LAUNCHED have been to pets.... PETS!

You play your sorc wrong lol. Sorc is BiS for PvE & PvP atm...

So many people whine about "Oh, you need to fix things in ESO!", then when they fix things, they whine "Why did you change this?"

For example, people complained that infinite sustain was breaking the game. ZOS addressed it. Now they complain, "There's no more sustain!"

The more I read these forums, the more I just feel that everyone's complaining JUST for the sake of complaining.

From a PVP perspective

Good:
- Most of the CP changes
- BoL change
- Blocking changes from a PVP perspective, sort of. The stam DK permablock till you can land you dizzying swing+leap+executioner combo was a little much. Can't speak to PVE and it sounds like a lotta tanks are not happy.

Bad:
- Bastion is "moderately useful" and not "strong"? That's a joke
- Major mending changes. I made another post about it but this was a key tool for DKs and a staple of the templar class. Pretty convenient that the only class you need to pay for is also the only one which can keep easy 100% uptime on one of the strongest buffs in the game.
- Mag DK sustain nerfed to oblivion. Nerfs to CP+constitution+battle roar are crippling for this class. Also the block changes don't help.

I have not been of the mind that sorcs are totally OP. Mag sorcs are probably the strongest class in PVP but there's always going to be a "strongest class" and it's not like they're head and shoulders above everyone else right now IMO. That said, these patch notes are ridiculous. Nerf everyone else's defensive CP but leave bastion alone? Nerf every other class's unique resource returns (siphoning attacks, repentance, battle roar) and pretty much leave dark deal alone? Kinda bananas.

Here is just some of what needs to happen to stop Sorcs from being so insanely overpowered:

-Shields need to be crittable
-Bastion needs to be removed
-Pirate skeleton needs real nerfs
-Lich, Amberplasm, Synablade all need to be nerfed
-There needs to be a debuff to reduce shield effectiveness

Ridiculous patch... Saves me from buying Morrowind I guess. All hail Sorcs

From the PTS patch notes:

"Siphoning

Leeching Strikes (Siphoning Strikes morph): This morph now converts the ability into a Stamina ability and causes your Light and Heavy Attacks to restore Stamina based on your character level.
Siphoning Attacks (Siphoning Strikes morph): This morph now causes your Light and Heavy Attacks to also restore Magicka based on your character level."

This does not mention if the weapon damage and spell damage penalty on leeching strikes was removed. If it wasn't removed or split between the two morphs (weapon damage penalty on leeching and spell damage penalty on siphoning attacks) than this is very unfair.

@ZOS_GinaBruno was this an oversight in the patch notes?

MoeCoastie wrote: »

TWO posters actually tested something. The rest of the posters (including myself) are just using thread to vent with no real data to support anything they are saying. Posters here can't even follow directions and they think they should be taken seriously? Just something to think about before clicking "post reply" on your latest 5 paragraph rant

i dont Need to test if i allready know the changed values.

im at the Limit from sustain/dmg, take away sustain i i Need to trade dmg for it.
it will cost me arround 450 spell dmg and mby a Change of the ulti just to Keep the same stats

not to mention i dont have a clue how to maintain the ress in non cp even with full sustain...

Drdeath20 wrote: »

As a templar it makes it easy to quit the game

i feel like they only took stuff from templars cause they couldnt come up with new stuff for their new class.

why even a new class? to justify the high cost of Morrowind?
it feels like Deathknight-disaster all over...