MLGProPlayer wrote: »

- Mount training - This is time gated; there is no way to complete this in less than 6 months (unless you spend $120 on mount training tokens)
- Mage's guild - This is the most mind-numbingly repetitive grind I've ever come across in a video game
- Sky shards - See above
The rest of the grind is fine, but these three items make creating new characters EXTREMELY tedious.

You forgot trait researching and leveling crafting, with all its various skills. Dark Brotherhood is also extremely tedious to level with all its stab-and-run quests. Plus, not everyone wants to do the exact same quests multiple times for every new character.

To the notion of class change frankly I've a hard time not responding with "If you like the game so much why don't you want to play it?"

XottaMattoX wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

To the notion of class change frankly I've a hard time not responding with "If you like the game so much why don't you want to play it?"

I can't speak for everyone, but for me it's not so much that I don't want to play it, but that I don't want to have to regain the months and months worth of progress (quests, achievements, titles, bound items) back on a new character. A lot of us don't have a lot of time to play each day, so that process takes a very long time. I'm still trying to clear a lot of content for the first time ha.

I think I have more of a hard time understanding why others want to prevent all who want a class change from getting one. If someone doesn't want to change their class, they wouldn't have to. Class changes seem like the inclusive option

It seems like the gimme, gimme option, and it also seems that the points you raise were not contentious for most until a new class was slated to be released. Yet those points were always true of starting a new character.

In life, a person gets what they put in. The "I have limited time to play" argument is just complaining for the sake of it. For the vast majority gaming is a hobby, and most people don't play the ridiculous amounts that others think they do. There's never enough time welcome to the human condition.

The only things that take a long time are time gates, which are meant to be protracted. However with crafting research it's moot because gear can be transferred. The mount stats are most important in PVP, and Rapids can mitigate much of that hassle anyway. The rest of it is just about efficiency or it's meaningless swag like titles, that don't inhibit game play and only enhance e-peen.

I view what you said boiled down as, "OhMyGash! Other players don't want things that are otherwise obtained by time and effort just handed out. Those monsters!"

People would play longer if they did it. But theres a risk that PVP is going to be ruined forever, HC crowd will change Class if one Class turns better or worse. I say no, lets try to encourage people to make multiple alts, they play even longer.

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

1) It only takes 6 hours up to one (1) night of playing to get a character from lvl 3 - 50. This allows you to learn the class, Skill trees, and what Skills do/don't work together well. that's time well spent if you're REALLY wanting to fully explore a new Class.

I would debate whether this is really playing the game. I would agree that it only takes a few hours of XP farming in the game, with the right perks and conditions, to get to Level 50. I am going to guess that most people aren't going to do that. Those are the people that want class change tokens.

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

4) Why should they give/sell you a Class Change token? It makes zero sense. What would ever make someone think that their character is going to spontaneously generate knowledge of all the in's-and-out's of an entirely NEW Class and all the associated Skill trees? Because that's what the Class Change token would do. Out of no process aside from *** extraction, a character miraculously knows everything about a brand new class that was just added? Even with suspension-of-disbelief, the very thought of that is absurd.

Oh, I can imagine that Marketing is chomping at the bit to introduce these, and charge a pretty penny for them. If they are not in the game, my guess is that game development does not want this. In addition to what you said, every time they balance the classes, people would accuse them of doing it to sell class changes. I figure that they will close the door on future class balance changes, call it good enough, and Marketing will take over. As soon as they can get it in there, they will. Let's just say that I would not want to be standing between the marketing person and the button they have to press to let people start buying a class change token. Can you say "extended hospital stay"?

I can see the utility of offering a 1 Crown class change token on PTS so that people can get into Warden faster. I don't recall seeing one, in the past. Will be interesting to see if it happens, this time. More interesting if I just suggested it to them. If it happens, then introduction into the Crown Store for everyone to buy is virtually certain. The only question becomes "when".

My main is a nb, all skill points but some in PvP ranking, master crafter, every quest done, most achievements, almost all motifs, can tank, heal, and dps.

I'd never switch the class on my main because db and tg dailies favor nb. I just started making alts for crafting grinding and while there are other builds that favor other classes, nb is a playstyle that is very exclusive because of stealth.

I'm fine with a class switch because I'm fine with zos making money. Honestly the FOTM switching is for the other 3 classes, and really limited to super hardcore min/maxers and who am I to tell people how to enjoy playing in their free time?

I don't think class switching is going to be that rampant, well after month 2 and expansions. And who cares? You can make a new character and get them to a single playstyle in 1-7 days.

So level up a new character would be stupid for people with money, because they can change class with only paying...

This would go against one of the most primordial law of life of every MMO that is "play to have fun and learn your class".

Maybe next feature should be to pay to have your own Chinese and you can see how your character becomes the best one because a guy plays with it 24hs a day, so you can show and pretend in front of your friends how good you are.

dday3six wrote: »

To the notion of class change frankly I've a hard time not responding with "If you like the game so much why don't you want to play it?"

Let's see... I have 8 char slots used from which 7 is lvl 50 and my cp is 670+. I've done main quest on all of the lvl 50 chars and at least the first alliance quests on most of them. Cadwells silver and gold on couple of chars. PvP rank of somewhere 20+ on 3 chars if I remember correctly. Sure I love the game so I want to do that all over again with new char.

Syntse wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

To the notion of class change frankly I've a hard time not responding with "If you like the game so much why don't you want to play it?"

Let's see... I have 8 char slots used from which 7 is lvl 50 and my cp is 670+. I've done main quest on all of the lvl 50 chars and at least the first alliance quests on most of them. Cadwells silver and gold on couple of chars. PvP rank of somewhere 20+ on 3 chars if I remember correctly. Sure I love the game so I want to do that all over again with new char.

Every time you started a new character you knew the score, yet you did it repeatedly. Why should it be different this time?

dday3six wrote: »

Syntse wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

To the notion of class change frankly I've a hard time not responding with "If you like the game so much why don't you want to play it?"

Let's see... I have 8 char slots used from which 7 is lvl 50 and my cp is 670+. I've done main quest on all of the lvl 50 chars and at least the first alliance quests on most of them. Cadwells silver and gold on couple of chars. PvP rank of somewhere 20+ on 3 chars if I remember correctly. Sure I love the game so I want to do that all over again with new char.

Every time you started a new character you knew the score, yet you did it repeatedly. Why should it be different this time?

Becouse he has no room to do it anymore and he has invested too much time on his characters to delete one for warden.
Also becouse it is boring as hell, although I think he could manage that. Unlike the loss of progress.

Darkonflare15 wrote: »

Personally I would add a ingame class change that is gated as a gold sink. So that it gives the feeling that I have a choice to play different skills like other elder scrolls. They can have in game trainers of each class that teach you their art with a fee.

This sounds pretty darn cool. That would be great. But not sure ZoS would do it. They want you gridning, playing the game for a long time. With class change, you won't need to grind from 1-50 lvls.

Doflamingo wrote: »

Hi i have around a year to play this game (i still buy the expansions) but i heard that they are introducing system to change your class with the new one Morrowind, is it true?

No you didn't, or at least you didn't 'hear it' from anyone who knows, it's just another 'fake news' item.

Syntse wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Syntse wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

To the notion of class change frankly I've a hard time not responding with "If you like the game so much why don't you want to play it?"

Let's see... I have 8 char slots used from which 7 is lvl 50 and my cp is 670+. I've done main quest on all of the lvl 50 chars and at least the first alliance quests on most of them. Cadwells silver and gold on couple of chars. PvP rank of somewhere 20+ on 3 chars if I remember correctly. Sure I love the game so I want to do that all over again with new char.

Every time you started a new character you knew the score, yet you did it repeatedly. Why should it be different this time?

Just answered your question. I want to enjoy the new content Morrowind and play it, I'm not so keen on leveling another new char. However I do want to experience Warden class also. As it seems there is no plans for class change so I end up leveling one anyway. I will most likely enjoy the new content and questlines but I will not enjoy getting the lorebooks, skyshards etc. Getting lvl 50 and the skills is not that big of a deal except for the skillpoints.

I understand some of the "no, never" arguments where someone who has only one char would always change to the fotm class. I would be even ok that you get class change but you lose any progress you had on the class before. Also any progress that I had before doesn't need to count into the new class, of course only class progress and skills (mage, race etc skill lines would remain).

But is class change the best the answer to a boring alt character leveling experience? Does it address the real problem? What if many of the things generally considered boring about leveling a character were made account wide? Or perhaps lessened on subsequent run throughs. For example guild, alliance and undaunted exp gains are increased up to the point a player has them leveled on another character. I think changes like that actually address the real issue of boring character leveling better than a bandaid fix of class change.