Is it true that ESO is bringing Class Change Feature?

Renoaku_ESO

They should remove classes entirely from the game, (CLASSES) are a thing of the past should never be used anymore...

Instead they should have made Wardrobe and armory layouts that allow a person to play every class on the same character, and freely spec anyway they like the only thing is you can only change from within your home.

The only thing that would be required is leveling up skills and such.

SydneyGrey

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

- Mount training - This is time gated; there is no way to complete this in less than 6 months (unless you spend $120 on mount training tokens)
- Mage's guild - This is the most mind-numbingly repetitive grind I've ever come across in a video game
- Sky shards - See above
The rest of the grind is fine, but these three items make creating new characters EXTREMELY tedious.

You forgot trait researching and leveling crafting, with all its various skills. Dark Brotherhood is also extremely tedious to level with all its stab-and-run quests. Plus, not everyone wants to do the exact same quests multiple times for every new character.

NoMoreChillies

I would pay for a class change
ZOS gets more money for development
Players get more content


Win-win

dday3six

To the notion of class change frankly I've a hard time not responding with "If you like the game so much why don't you want to play it?"

FauxHunter

dday3six wrote: »

To the notion of class change frankly I've a hard time not responding with "If you like the game so much why don't you want to play it?"

I can't speak for everyone, but for me it's not so much that I don't want to play it, but that I don't want to have to regain the months and months worth of progress (quests, achievements, titles, bound items) back on a new character. A lot of us don't have a lot of time to play each day, so that process takes a very long time. I'm still trying to clear a lot of content for the first time ha.

I think I have more of a hard time understanding why others want to prevent all who want a class change from getting one. If someone doesn't want to change their class, they wouldn't have to. Class changes seem like the inclusive option

dday3six

XottaMattoX wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

To the notion of class change frankly I've a hard time not responding with "If you like the game so much why don't you want to play it?"

I can't speak for everyone, but for me it's not so much that I don't want to play it, but that I don't want to have to regain the months and months worth of progress (quests, achievements, titles, bound items) back on a new character. A lot of us don't have a lot of time to play each day, so that process takes a very long time. I'm still trying to clear a lot of content for the first time ha.

I think I have more of a hard time understanding why others want to prevent all who want a class change from getting one. If someone doesn't want to change their class, they wouldn't have to. Class changes seem like the inclusive option

It seems like the gimme, gimme option, and it also seems that the points you raise were not contentious for most until a new class was slated to be released. Yet those points were always true of starting a new character.

In life, a person gets what they put in. The "I have limited time to play" argument is just complaining for the sake of it. For the vast majority gaming is a hobby, and most people don't play the ridiculous amounts that others think they do. There's never enough time welcome to the human condition.

The only things that take a long time are time gates, which are meant to be protracted. However with crafting research it's moot because gear can be transferred. The mount stats are most important in PVP, and Rapids can mitigate much of that hassle anyway. The rest of it is just about efficiency or it's meaningless swag like titles, that don't inhibit game play and only enhance e-peen.

I view what you said boiled down as, "OhMyGash! Other players don't want things that are otherwise obtained by time and effort just handed out. Those monsters!"

MakoFore

nah that aint happening. otherwise people would start levelling players now and just switch to warden when it comes out- and have a massive start.

Sausage

People would play longer if they did it. But theres a risk that PVP is going to be ruined forever, HC crowd will change Class if one Class turns better or worse. I say no, lets try to encourage people to make multiple alts, they play even longer.

cmetzger93

Class change is like gay marriage. If you don't like it. Don't get one. Leave everyone else alone about it.

Elsonso

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

1) It only takes 6 hours up to one (1) night of playing to get a character from lvl 3 - 50. This allows you to learn the class, Skill trees, and what Skills do/don't work together well. that's time well spent if you're REALLY wanting to fully explore a new Class.

I would debate whether this is really playing the game. I would agree that it only takes a few hours of XP farming in the game, with the right perks and conditions, to get to Level 50. I am going to guess that most people aren't going to do that. Those are the people that want class change tokens.

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

4) Why should they give/sell you a Class Change token? It makes zero sense. What would ever make someone think that their character is going to spontaneously generate knowledge of all the in's-and-out's of an entirely NEW Class and all the associated Skill trees? Because that's what the Class Change token would do. Out of no process aside from *** extraction, a character miraculously knows everything about a brand new class that was just added? Even with suspension-of-disbelief, the very thought of that is absurd.

Oh, I can imagine that Marketing is chomping at the bit to introduce these, and charge a pretty penny for them. If they are not in the game, my guess is that game development does not want this. In addition to what you said, every time they balance the classes, people would accuse them of doing it to sell class changes. I figure that they will close the door on future class balance changes, call it good enough, and Marketing will take over. As soon as they can get it in there, they will. Let's just say that I would not want to be standing between the marketing person and the button they have to press to let people start buying a class change token. Can you say "extended hospital stay"?

I can see the utility of offering a 1 Crown class change token on PTS so that people can get into Warden faster. I don't recall seeing one, in the past. Will be interesting to see if it happens, this time. More interesting if I just suggested it to them. If it happens, then introduction into the Crown Store for everyone to buy is virtually certain. The only question becomes "when".

seaef

Class change? I hope not.

I really don't want to re-live the "glory days" of the FotM club.

Sorcerer is OP...everyone changes their class to Sorcerer.

DK is OP...suddenly you only see DKs running around.

Although it is good validation as to how many mindless twits play video games.

PS4_ZeColmeia

My main is a nb, all skill points but some in PvP ranking, master crafter, every quest done, most achievements, almost all motifs, can tank, heal, and dps.

I'd never switch the class on my main because db and tg dailies favor nb. I just started making alts for crafting grinding and while there are other builds that favor other classes, nb is a playstyle that is very exclusive because of stealth.

I'm fine with a class switch because I'm fine with zos making money. Honestly the FOTM switching is for the other 3 classes, and really limited to super hardcore min/maxers and who am I to tell people how to enjoy playing in their free time?

I don't think class switching is going to be that rampant, well after month 2 and expansions. And who cares? You can make a new character and get them to a single playstyle in 1-7 days.

FauxHunter

PS4_ZeColmeia wrote: »

I don't think class switching is going to be that rampant, well after month 2 and expansions. And who cares? You can make a new character and get them to a single playstyle in 1-7 days.

I think this is a good point! If it doesn't take a long time to level a character to max, class changes wouldn't be a big deal. The argument that keeps popping up in this thread, that a class change breaks balancing/lets people play the FoTM quickly, paired with 'just play the game, it doesn't take long to level an alt to max' is contradictive and pretty moot.

teladoy

So level up a new character would be stupid for people with money, because they can change class with only paying...

This would go against one of the most primordial law of life of every MMO that is "play to have fun and learn your class".

Maybe next feature should be to pay to have your own Chinese and you can see how your character becomes the best one because a guy plays with it 24hs a day, so you can show and pretend in front of your friends how good you are.

Stamden

I really think the very reasonable desire for a class change all stems from the progression that should simply be account wide. There is no reason you should have to regrind:

-Achievements
-Crafting
-Mount leveling
-Skyshards
-Quests (optionally)
-Map Pin Discoveries
-Mages/Fighters/Undaunted Guild

On every single character you make. It prevents me from ever wanting to make another character, and it disincentivises people from expanding past their main. And that's pretty bad if you think about it. Even from a profitability standpoint, there will be fewer sales from the lack of desire to make a new Warden character (and thus sell Morrowind).

Syntse

dday3six wrote: »

To the notion of class change frankly I've a hard time not responding with "If you like the game so much why don't you want to play it?"

Let's see... I have 8 char slots used from which 7 is lvl 50 and my cp is 670+. I've done main quest on all of the lvl 50 chars and at least the first alliance quests on most of them. Cadwells silver and gold on couple of chars. PvP rank of somewhere 20+ on 3 chars if I remember correctly. Sure I love the game so I want to do that all over again with new char.

SydneyGrey

Sausage wrote: »

People would play longer if they did it. But theres a risk that PVP is going to be ruined forever, HC crowd will change Class if one Class turns better or worse. I say no, lets try to encourage people to make multiple alts, they play even longer.

That doesn't even make sense. If one class is better than the others in PvP, and you really wanted to play that class, you can just make a new character in that class. YOU HAVE ALWAYS HAD THIS OPTION. There is zero way that "PvP is going to be ruined forever," since people ALWAYS had the option to make a new character in a new class. Not having class change never stopped people from making new characters in whatever designer class happens to be strong in PvP at the moment. There is only one difference if they allow class change, and that's that people wouldn't have to spend six months training their horses all over again, and doing the boring grinds all over again.
The one thing I hate about MMOs is people dictating how OTHER people should be allowed to play.

dday3six

Syntse wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

To the notion of class change frankly I've a hard time not responding with "If you like the game so much why don't you want to play it?"

Let's see... I have 8 char slots used from which 7 is lvl 50 and my cp is 670+. I've done main quest on all of the lvl 50 chars and at least the first alliance quests on most of them. Cadwells silver and gold on couple of chars. PvP rank of somewhere 20+ on 3 chars if I remember correctly. Sure I love the game so I want to do that all over again with new char.

Every time you started a new character you knew the score, yet you did it repeatedly. Why should it be different this time?

cmetzger93

I wish ZOS would reconsider this idea. It would add alot of revenue for the game from the players that it does appeal to.

Sinolai

dday3six wrote: »

Syntse wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

To the notion of class change frankly I've a hard time not responding with "If you like the game so much why don't you want to play it?"

Let's see... I have 8 char slots used from which 7 is lvl 50 and my cp is 670+. I've done main quest on all of the lvl 50 chars and at least the first alliance quests on most of them. Cadwells silver and gold on couple of chars. PvP rank of somewhere 20+ on 3 chars if I remember correctly. Sure I love the game so I want to do that all over again with new char.

Every time you started a new character you knew the score, yet you did it repeatedly. Why should it be different this time?

Becouse he has no room to do it anymore and he has invested too much time on his characters to delete one for warden.
Also becouse it is boring as hell, although I think he could manage that. Unlike the loss of progress.

dday3six

Sinolai wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Syntse wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

To the notion of class change frankly I've a hard time not responding with "If you like the game so much why don't you want to play it?"

Let's see... I have 8 char slots used from which 7 is lvl 50 and my cp is 670+. I've done main quest on all of the lvl 50 chars and at least the first alliance quests on most of them. Cadwells silver and gold on couple of chars. PvP rank of somewhere 20+ on 3 chars if I remember correctly. Sure I love the game so I want to do that all over again with new char.

Every time you started a new character you knew the score, yet you did it repeatedly. Why should it be different this time?

Becouse he has no room to do it anymore and he has invested too much time on his characters to delete one for warden.
Also becouse it is boring as hell, although I think he could manage that. Unlike the loss of progress.

Granted they would be to be purchased, but 2 more character slots will be available with Morrowind. Also the current limit is 12, and in the post they only mention using 8 of them. So space, outside of perhaps needing to purchase more slots, is not an issue.

'Boring' goes back to my original point of "If you like the game so much, why don't you want to play it?" The quick and dirty work around of class change is not going to actually fix that issue. If leveling new character is boring, yet character leveling is a large part of the game play on offer then perhaps the better route would be to address and fix issues causing new character leveling to be boring.

Gothlander

Darkonflare15 wrote: »

Personally I would add a ingame class change that is gated as a gold sink. So that it gives the feeling that I have a choice to play different skills like other elder scrolls. They can have in game trainers of each class that teach you their art with a fee.

This sounds pretty darn cool. That would be great. But not sure ZoS would do it. They want you gridning, playing the game for a long time. With class change, you won't need to grind from 1-50 lvls.

FauxHunter

Gothlander wrote: »

Darkonflare15 wrote: »

Personally I would add a ingame class change that is gated as a gold sink. So that it gives the feeling that I have a choice to play different skills like other elder scrolls. They can have in game trainers of each class that teach you their art with a fee.

This sounds pretty darn cool. That would be great. But not sure ZoS would do it. They want you gridning, playing the game for a long time. With class change, you won't need to grind from 1-50 lvls.

That would be really awesome. You'd still have to work for the class change but it keeps the option open for anyone, including those of us that just have time to play one character

KerinKor

Doflamingo wrote: »

Hi i have around a year to play this game (i still buy the expansions) but i heard that they are introducing system to change your class with the new one Morrowind, is it true?

No you didn't, or at least you didn't 'hear it' from anyone who knows, it's just another 'fake news' item.

Syntse

dday3six wrote: »

Syntse wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

To the notion of class change frankly I've a hard time not responding with "If you like the game so much why don't you want to play it?"

Let's see... I have 8 char slots used from which 7 is lvl 50 and my cp is 670+. I've done main quest on all of the lvl 50 chars and at least the first alliance quests on most of them. Cadwells silver and gold on couple of chars. PvP rank of somewhere 20+ on 3 chars if I remember correctly. Sure I love the game so I want to do that all over again with new char.

Every time you started a new character you knew the score, yet you did it repeatedly. Why should it be different this time?

Just answered your question. I want to enjoy the new content Morrowind and play it, I'm not so keen on leveling another new char. However I do want to experience Warden class also. As it seems there is no plans for class change so I end up leveling one anyway. I will most likely enjoy the new content and questlines but I will not enjoy getting the lorebooks, skyshards etc. Getting lvl 50 and the skills is not that big of a deal except for the skillpoints.

I understand some of the "no, never" arguments where someone who has only one char would always change to the fotm class. I would be even ok that you get class change but you lose any progress you had on the class before. Also any progress that I had before doesn't need to count into the new class, of course only class progress and skills (mage, race etc skill lines would remain).

dday3six

Syntse wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Syntse wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

To the notion of class change frankly I've a hard time not responding with "If you like the game so much why don't you want to play it?"

Let's see... I have 8 char slots used from which 7 is lvl 50 and my cp is 670+. I've done main quest on all of the lvl 50 chars and at least the first alliance quests on most of them. Cadwells silver and gold on couple of chars. PvP rank of somewhere 20+ on 3 chars if I remember correctly. Sure I love the game so I want to do that all over again with new char.

Every time you started a new character you knew the score, yet you did it repeatedly. Why should it be different this time?

Just answered your question. I want to enjoy the new content Morrowind and play it, I'm not so keen on leveling another new char. However I do want to experience Warden class also. As it seems there is no plans for class change so I end up leveling one anyway. I will most likely enjoy the new content and questlines but I will not enjoy getting the lorebooks, skyshards etc. Getting lvl 50 and the skills is not that big of a deal except for the skillpoints.

I understand some of the "no, never" arguments where someone who has only one char would always change to the fotm class. I would be even ok that you get class change but you lose any progress you had on the class before. Also any progress that I had before doesn't need to count into the new class, of course only class progress and skills (mage, race etc skill lines would remain).

But is class change the best the answer to a boring alt character leveling experience? Does it address the real problem? What if many of the things generally considered boring about leveling a character were made account wide? Or perhaps lessened on subsequent run throughs. For example guild, alliance and undaunted exp gains are increased up to the point a player has them leveled on another character. I think changes like that actually address the real issue of boring character leveling better than a bandaid fix of class change.

Mettaricana

I would love a class change my dk seems dead in the water no matter what but i like her face and 9 trait everything