Magicka Sorcs lol

mb10 · April 2017

(A PVP perspective and a non zerg perspective)

Lets balance the game and remove the "easy mode" option.

This class IS unbalanced compared to every other magicka class.

The shield stacking is beyond ridiculous
You cannot crit through shields and no, I will not run shield breaker because that set is offered to stamina users.
The unlimited streaks is probably even worse.
Most the skills dont even have an animation to cast anymore especially crystal frags

The stamina classes more or less perform almost as well as each other and I like to believe the magicka classes do too with mag nb at a bit of a disadvantage but I think that depends on the player.

Its not a l2p issue because I have a mag sorc myself, I drop mag sorcs on my other classes and Im sure most people do but they are definitely over powered at the moment.

I make this thread becuase Im assuming there will be patch notes soon for Morrowind and I would really consider ZOS to review the mag sorcs performance.

Your opinion?

Uriel_Nocturne · April 2017

I'm noticing the distinct taste of uninhibited bias in your dish. Try cooking at a lower temperature, and removing the bias.

After that, you might make it on Master Chef...

MrBrandon · April 2017

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

I'm noticing the distinct taste of uninhibited bias in your dish. Try cooking at a lower temperature, and removing the bias.

After that, you might make it on Master Chef...

"The shield stacking is beyond ridiculous" I couldn't agree more.

SnubbS · April 2017

Remove the doubling cost of streak—make shields critable, increase duration of shields to 10s—and do nothing else because damage is going down next patch anyway.

mb10 · April 2017

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

I'm noticing the distinct taste of uninhibited bias in your dish. Try cooking at a lower temperature, and removing the bias.

After that, you might make it on Master Chef...

@Uriel_Nocturne

Im trying! Not enough people selling the recipes for me to learn how to on the guild stores

Nerf guild stores! We need a central trading system

(Am I improving or nah?)

ArchMikem · April 2017

I play a MagSorc and i still get rekt. Its the way you play it. All that warding and cursing and bunny hopping..

dpencil · April 2017

Isn't this like...the third "nerf mag sorc" thread on the recent threads page? Yall need to just post your rage in one thread already.

Asardes · April 2017

Only a couple of months ago people were complaining of how bad sorcerer is in PvP. Since then there was a slight buff to curse and pets but no buff to shields. L2P issue maybe?

Khaos_Bane · April 2017

Nerf magsorc! nerf magplar !

Fasold666 · April 2017

Unlimited streaks? Lol. Streak isn't even working at the moment.

Minalan · April 2017

Fasold666 wrote: »

Unlimited streaks? Lol. Streak isn't even working at the moment.

Some very new people weren't around for the perma-streak Ezareth days...

https://youtu.be/6GjwRMPYkzc

So they make ill-considered and frankly dumb suggestions, like allowing infinite streak again. Or critable shields on someone with only light armor on...

Father_X_Zombie · April 2017

Unlimited streaks? LOL!

So if I have unlimited streaks then why is it that every time I try to escape a zerg, they are right on top of me because of gapclose spam? I run out of magicka before their stam/mag pool reaches 80%.

Tell ya what, you get on a mag sorc and ill get on my medium armor stam sorc and we'll have a race

DHale · April 2017

I can pack 44 k magic and can get four streaks in a row and then with a delay a fifth. Wow five is unlimited... who knew. Also I think we can all agree all of the one v xers are sorcs. Force siphon and then ??? Oh I know... no one.

s7732425ub17_ESO · April 2017

Umm you realize Magicka Sorcs have been doing this *since the game was released 3 years ago*... So nothing new, and nothing that needs to be changed.

quake89 · April 2017

mb10 wrote: »

(A PVP perspective and a non zerg perspective)

Lets balance the game and remove the "easy mode" option.

This class IS unbalanced compared to every other magicka class.

The shield stacking is beyond ridiculous
You cannot crit through shields and no, I will not run shield breaker because that set is offered to stamina users.
The unlimited streaks is probably even worse.
Most the skills dont even have an animation to cast anymore especially crystal frags

The stamina classes more or less perform almost as well as each other and I like to believe the magicka classes do too with mag nb at a bit of a disadvantage but I think that depends on the player.

Its not a l2p issue because I have a mag sorc myself, I drop mag sorcs on my other classes and Im sure most people do but they are definitely over powered at the moment.

I make this thread becuase Im assuming there will be patch notes soon for Morrowind and I would really consider ZOS to review the mag sorcs performance.

Your opinion?

OP would you like some salt with them tears ? Or would you like me to go get the world's smallest violin and play to you.

Either way if you time your burst effectively then there's no issues of killing a sorc or any other magic class that stacks shields.

Tommy_The_Gun · April 2017

dpencil wrote: »

Isn't this like...the third "nerf mag sorc" thread on the recent threads page? Yall need to just post your rage in one thread already.

The thing is sorcerer was nerfed once (so as the other classes). But apparently not enough... 90 % of cyrodill PvP population are mag sorceress for a reason (btw. what kind of class balance is this ?). It is probably the only class in eso that can go full DPS and still be a tank...

Spamming only 3 skills:
1 - Streak - to stun other players and escape (if necessary) faster than a sprinting mount.
2 - Haunting Curse - to deal enormous dmg (twice) just by spamming 1 button (basically it is fire & forget skill, and additionally it puts you out of stealth - even if it there is nothing like that in skill description).
3 - Conjured Ward (and its mophs) - This is just hilarious skill. It allows you tu have a stack-able dmg shield that absorbs ridiculously high dmg. 15 people chases you ? No problem ! Just spam this dmg shield and they can't do nothing about it...

In short: sorcerer has highest magical dps, good if not best mobility, dmg shield so you are still tanky (and you don't sacrifice DPS for it) and additionally you can easily stun other players (for comparison NB's Ambush used to stun other players but it was "too much" and now it only snares).

The share numbers of this "nerf sorcerer" threads just shows us how ridiculous OP sorcerer when compared to other classes. If this was a balanced class people would not complain about it.

mb10 · April 2017

quake89 wrote: »

mb10 wrote: »

(A PVP perspective and a non zerg perspective)

Lets balance the game and remove the "easy mode" option.

This class IS unbalanced compared to every other magicka class.

The shield stacking is beyond ridiculous
You cannot crit through shields and no, I will not run shield breaker because that set is offered to stamina users.
The unlimited streaks is probably even worse.
Most the skills dont even have an animation to cast anymore especially crystal frags

The stamina classes more or less perform almost as well as each other and I like to believe the magicka classes do too with mag nb at a bit of a disadvantage but I think that depends on the player.

Its not a l2p issue because I have a mag sorc myself, I drop mag sorcs on my other classes and Im sure most people do but they are definitely over powered at the moment.

I make this thread becuase Im assuming there will be patch notes soon for Morrowind and I would really consider ZOS to review the mag sorcs performance.

Your opinion?

OP would you like some salt with them tears ? Or would you like me to go get the world's smallest violin and play to you.

Either way if you time your burst effectively then there's no issues of killing a sorc or any other magic class that stacks shields.

@quake89

Lmao i have no trouble killing them the annoying thing is them running away the same way your ex keeps running away from your lame ass

Alpheu5 · April 2017

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

dpencil wrote: »

Isn't this like...the third "nerf mag sorc" thread on the recent threads page? Yall need to just post your rage in one thread already.

The thing is sorcerer was nerfed once (so as the other classes). But apparently not enough... 90 % of cyrodill PvP population are mag sorceress for a reason (btw. what kind of class balance is this ?). It is probably the only class in eso that can go full DPS and still be a tank...

Spamming only 3 skills:
1 - Streak - to stun other players and escape (if necessary) faster than a sprinting mount.
2 - Haunting Curse - to deal enormous dmg (twice) just by spamming 1 button (basically it is fire & forget skill, and additionally it puts you out of stealth - even if it there is nothing like that in skill description).
3 - Conjured Ward (and its mophs) - This is just hilarious skill. It allows you tu have a stack-able dmg shield that absorbs ridiculously high dmg. 15 people chases you ? No problem ! Just spam this dmg shield and they can't do nothing about it...

In short: sorcerer has highest magical dps, good if not best mobility, dmg shield so you are still tanky (and you don't sacrifice DPS for it) and additionally you can easily stun other players (for comparison NB's Ambush used to stun other players but it was "too much" and now it only snares).

The share numbers of this "nerf sorcerer" threads just shows us how ridiculous OP sorcerer when compared to other classes. If this was a balanced class people would not complain about it.

You have obviously never played a Sorcerer if you think streak is faster than a 60 speed sprinting mount, curse can be spammed, and 1 ward will protect you from 15 people.

Splattercat_83 · April 2017

mb10 wrote: »

(A PVP perspective and a non zerg perspective)

Lets balance the game and remove the "easy mode" option.

This class IS unbalanced compared to every other magicka class.

The shield stacking is beyond ridiculous
You cannot crit through shields and no, I will not run shield breaker because that set is offered to stamina users.
The unlimited streaks is probably even worse.
Most the skills dont even have an animation to cast anymore especially crystal frags

The stamina classes more or less perform almost as well as each other and I like to believe the magicka classes do too with mag nb at a bit of a disadvantage but I think that depends on the player.

Its not a l2p issue because I have a mag sorc myself, I drop mag sorcs on my other classes and Im sure most people do but they are definitely over powered at the moment.

I make this thread becuase Im assuming there will be patch notes soon for Morrowind and I would really consider ZOS to review the mag sorcs performance.

Your opinion?

The mag sorc has been nerfed, I'm the ground to what they were in their hay day. Every time a sorc is nerfed because of the PvP cry babies it gets run through the mud for pve. As the best ranged dps for trials.

Learn to play and time your stuns, shields only last 6 seconds thanks to the crybabies. C frags have a random chance to proc you might get 3 back to back and not get any for the rest of fight.

So no sorcs do not need to be looked at any further. It's a l2p issue

Ch4mpTW · April 2017

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

dpencil wrote: »

Isn't this like...the third "nerf mag sorc" thread on the recent threads page? Yall need to just post your rage in one thread already.

The thing is sorcerer was nerfed once (so as the other classes). But apparently not enough... 90 % of cyrodill PvP population are mag sorceress for a reason (btw. what kind of class balance is this ?). It is probably the only class in eso that can go full DPS and still be a tank...

Spamming only 3 skills:
1 - Streak - to stun other players and escape (if necessary) faster than a sprinting mount.
2 - Haunting Curse - to deal enormous dmg (twice) just by spamming 1 button (basically it is fire & forget skill, and additionally it puts you out of stealth - even if it there is nothing like that in skill description).
3 - Conjured Ward (and its mophs) - This is just hilarious skill. It allows you tu have a stack-able dmg shield that absorbs ridiculously high dmg. 15 people chases you ? No problem ! Just spam this dmg shield and they can't do nothing about it...

In short: sorcerer has highest magical dps, good if not best mobility, dmg shield so you are still tanky (and you don't sacrifice DPS for it) and additionally you can easily stun other players (for comparison NB's Ambush used to stun other players but it was "too much" and now it only snares).

The share numbers of this "nerf sorcerer" threads just shows us how ridiculous OP sorcerer when compared to other classes. If this was a balanced class people would not complain about it.

90% of Cyrodiil's population is Sorcerers? I disagree. There have always been more Nightblades, than any other class in Cyrodiil. And I do mean always. They are by far the most prevalent and popular class. As for why? Because of their kit, and players loving the whole rogue and sneak playstyle.

KingKush · April 2017

Stopped reading at "unlimited streaks." Streak is currently broken and gets me killed at least once everyday in Cyrodil. You also complained about shield stacking yet shields have not been touched in ANY recent patch.

You are clearly biased and yes, this is a L2P issue.

Solariken · April 2017

There are only a handful of Sorcs PC/NA that make this class look like God mode. Most seem balanced-ish except for that obnoxious new version of Curse which is more annoying than anything.

I tried mSorc for a while and found that I was trash at it. It feels really strong in PvE to me but in PvP I get rekt.

Shield stacking and Pirate Skeleton are the specifically OP tools used by mSorc IMO and should definitely be toned down somehow.

andreasranasen · April 2017

this thread hahahaha

DannyLV702 · April 2017

Because zos is stupid as *** and never fixed the actual problem of shield stacking. It's not that *** hard to listen to feedback. But no, instead they gave us annoying 6 second shields, PLUS an extra one to also mitigate physical damage. Nice one zos.

Signed, a main magic sorc.

arasysb14_ESO · April 2017

mb10 wrote: »

(A PVP perspective and a non zerg perspective)

Lets balance the game and remove the "easy mode" option.

Sounds like you are the one asking for easy mode here since magicka sorcerers have enough weaknesses/disadvantages

The unlimited streaks is probably even worse.
Most the skills dont even have an animation to cast anymore especially crystal frags

lol.

Its obviously a l2p issue because I probably have a low level mag sorc alt myself, and I assume I can drop mag sorcs on my other classes and Im sure most people do but I still don't know what I am talking about as I have no clue about how mag sorc skills work.

fixed it for you.

Your opinion?

L2P and stop complaining about a class that's somewhat fixed after 2 years.

ATEK302 · April 2017

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

I'm noticing the distinct taste of uninhibited bias in your dish. Try cooking at a lower temperature, and removing the bias.

After that, you might make it on Master Chef...

Brah, that is classic!

ATEK302 · April 2017

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

dpencil wrote: »

Isn't this like...the third "nerf mag sorc" thread on the recent threads page? Yall need to just post your rage in one thread already.

The thing is sorcerer was nerfed once (so as the other classes). But apparently not enough... 90 % of cyrodill PvP population are mag sorceress for a reason (btw. what kind of class balance is this ?). It is probably the only class in eso that can go full DPS and still be a tank...

Spamming only 3 skills:
1 - Streak - to stun other players and escape (if necessary) faster than a sprinting mount.
2 - Haunting Curse - to deal enormous dmg (twice) just by spamming 1 button (basically it is fire & forget skill, and additionally it puts you out of stealth - even if it there is nothing like that in skill description).
3 - Conjured Ward (and its mophs) - This is just hilarious skill. It allows you tu have a stack-able dmg shield that absorbs ridiculously high dmg. 15 people chases you ? No problem ! Just spam this dmg shield and they can't do nothing about it...

In short: sorcerer has highest magical dps, good if not best mobility, dmg shield so you are still tanky (and you don't sacrifice DPS for it) and additionally you can easily stun other players (for comparison NB's Ambush used to stun other players but it was "too much" and now it only snares).

The share numbers of this "nerf sorcerer" threads just shows us how ridiculous OP sorcerer when compared to other classes. If this was a balanced class people would not complain about it.

People will always find something to complain about. This new generation of people are all entitled pampered beetches

s7732425ub17_ESO · April 2017

1 - Streak - to stun other players and escape (if necessary) faster than a sprinting mount.

You have obviously never played a Sorc. A stamina user in full medium armor has more than enough regular sprint speed to catch up to a streaking Sorc. And a Sorc that streaks more than two times in a row gets completely out of magicka, so they are essentially dead if you can catch up to them.

3 - Conjured Ward (and its mophs) - This is just hilarious skill. It allows you tu have a stack-able dmg shield that absorbs ridiculously high dmg. 15 people chases you ? No problem ! Just spam this dmg shield and they can't do nothing about it...

This is a Sorc core skill. Other classes have OP core skills such as this one. It's called BALANCE.

mb10 · April 2017

KingKush wrote: »

Stopped reading at "unlimited streaks." Streak is currently broken and gets me killed at least once everyday in Cyrodil. You also complained about shield stacking yet shields have not been touched in ANY recent patch.

You are clearly biased and yes, this is a L2P issue.

@KingKush

You read most the post by then so gf lmao

LuminaLilly · April 2017

Lmaoooo, honestly what gives with people and their Nerf sorcs?? Back in 2015 sorcs were unkillable beasts, then the shields got reduced in pvp, the steak cost multiplier, then 6 second shields. Then got a slight buff and EVERYONE LOSES THEIR MINDS.

Obviously people want sorcs to be on par with target skeletons because they stray from their "small group" of 10 people and try to solo that sorc in the distance, away from all the zergs, and end up getting packed up.

Or they wear heavy armor (dps loss) get packed up because the sorc in the distance has over 18k penetration.

The real enemy here are the unkillable heavy armor snb magplar wearing 5 reactive and 5 black rose. Unless you are one....

I'll be done when people threaten to drown zenimax with tears unless they remove conjured ward and replace it with a "cast a big bullseye on your character so crying pugs can get a kill for once"

Sheva I 7 I · April 2017

seriously quit nagging, nerf this nerf that. Learn your rotation and a strategy, don't just mash buttons and think you are top pvper. if you are having issues with sorcs, its because you are stupid pug who can't time his ccs and burst right (especially with 2h stamina pvp build