Annoying things tanks do

Ep1kMalware · April 2017

We all see annoying things, so heres a vent thread. I'll begin:

It kills me when I get a templar tank with 60k health that only uses 1 skill in vet dungeons: repentence. ..and there are 2 stsm tem[lars on the team with 40k max stam. I've tried being polite but dwmn these people. It's so common these days I named my alt: I kick templar tanks.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · April 2017

The reason the fact that those stamplars had 40k max stam matter is that repentance scales off of your highest stat, be it magic or stam and then gives 10% of said stat back as health and stamina per body, up to six bodys at a time. So the tank probably only had like at most 20k stam, so Evey time that they repentanced, the DPS was getting screwed.

The most annoying thing that a tank does is not lead. Tanks are supposed to pull and if you have to wait for one as the healer or dps, the dungeon can just take so much long then it ought to.

paulsimonps · April 2017

Annoying things tanks do: When the first thing they do each pull is chaining a melee mob and then spends the rest of the time chaining adds to that one mob rather than taunting melee and making them go into the big pack and chaining stray ranged mobs. Makes every trash pull take twice as long. Or worst yet, NB Tanks that use Fear.........

LordGavus · April 2017

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

The most annoying thing that a tank does is not lead. Tanks are supposed to pull and if you have to wait for one as the healer or dps, the dungeon can just take so much long then it ought to.

This bugs me the most.
Tanks don't have to start each trash pull, but when they refuse to engage a boss first it's pretty annoying.

Rev Rielle · April 2017

It's not so much annoying, but I simple don't understand two things tanks do; a) Moving around all the time during battles (especially boss fights) where there is simply no need to, and b) blocking almost all the time, and then commenting about their lack of stamina.

You only have to block heavy attacks, and special attacks. And interrupt where appropriate. Other than that you you can let your armour soak up the damage very easily.

With so many great damaging/healing skills being ground targeted these days, the moving around really only prolongs and increases the difficulty of battle for all. But that goes for more than just the tank too, so many DPS just run around for whatever reason as soon as they start getting hit in battle. I've no idea what's gotten in to the player base of ESO, but there is so much unnecessary movement going on by players in the PvE part of the game. I guess it comes with lack of understanding of the mechanics? I don't know. But it's completely unnecessary and just plain confusing.

Scamandros · April 2017

Mine has a hairline crack in the bottom and leaks. Have to top it up with water daily to keep the fish happy

Rohamad_Ali · April 2017

Scamandros wrote: »

Mine has a hairline crack in the bottom and leaks. Have to top it up with water daily to keep the fish happy

Mine gurgles at night an I have to get out of bed and jiggle the handle to make it stop . The floor is always cold too .

ynimma · April 2017

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

We all see annoying things, so heres a vent thread. I'll begin:

It kills me when I get a templar tank with 60k health that only uses 1 skill in vet dungeons: repentence. ..and there are 2 stsm tem[lars on the team with 40k max stam. I've tried being polite but dwmn these people. It's so common these days I named my alt: I kick templar tanks.

The rate you shoot these tank-realted posts (once or twice a week) can actually be very helpful to learn about the subject.
Regardless of your constant templar-bashing attitude

Lynx7386 · April 2017

I'll tell you that, as a tank, the most annoying thing dps or healers do is pull before me. I don't have medium armor and a huge stamina pool to sprint through a dungeon, so you need to be a little patient and let me catch up.

Every time someone else aggros first, it makes it ten times harder for the tank to gather up mobs.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · April 2017

Rev Rielle wrote: »

It's not so much annoying, but I simple don't understand two things tanks do; a) Moving around all the time during battles (especially boss fights) where there is simply no need to, and b) blocking almost all the time, and then commenting about their lack of stamina.

You only have to block heavy attacks, and special attacks. And interrupt where appropriate. Other than that you you can let your armour soak up the damage very easily.

With so many great damaging/healing skills being ground targeted these days, the moving around really only prolongs and increases the difficulty of battle for all. But that goes for more than just the tank too, so many DPS just run around for whatever reason as soon as they start getting hit in battle. I've no idea what's gotten in to the player base of ESO, but there is so much unnecessary movement going on by players in the PvE part of the game. I guess it comes with lack of understanding of the mechanics? I don't know. But it's completely unnecessary and just plain confusing.

Yes yes this. So strange. Here

https://youtu.be/8Y1gv9yaHfg is a video of a guy just beating on a test dummy, moving all over the place like it is going to fight back. As a healer I am screaming just stand still and let my springs hit you, it will heal you through all but one shots.

Lynx7386 · April 2017

Rev Rielle wrote: »

It's not so much annoying, but I simple don't understand two things tanks do; a) Moving around all the time during battles (especially boss fights) where there is simply no need to, and b) blocking almost all the time, and then commenting about their lack of stamina.

You only have to block heavy attacks, and special attacks. And interrupt where appropriate. Other than that you you can let your armour soak up the damage very easily.

With so many great damaging/healing skills being ground targeted these days, the moving around really only prolongs and increases the difficulty of battle for all. But that goes for more than just the tank too, so many DPS just run around for whatever reason as soon as they start getting hit in battle. I've no idea what's gotten in to the player base of ESO, but there is so much unnecessary movement going on by players in the PvE part of the game. I guess it comes with lack of understanding of the mechanics? I don't know. But it's completely unnecessary and just plain confusing.

I try to keep enemies on the aoe, but movement is sometimes unavoidable. As for blocking, my sap tank can basically permablock with no resource issues, but not all tanks are created equal

Curragraigue · April 2017

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

We all see annoying things, so heres a vent thread. I'll begin:

It kills me when I get a templar tank with 60k health that only uses 1 skill in vet dungeons: repentence. ..and there are 2 stsm tem[lars on the team with 40k max stam. I've tried being polite but dwmn these people. It's so common these days I named my alt: I kick templar tanks.

If they are only using repentance then how are they tanking with no taunt?

As a Stampler tank I only use repentance if the healer isn't repenting part way through a trash pull. Healers that leave repentance until the end of the fight bug me.

Ep1kMalware · April 2017

paulsimonps wrote: »

Annoying things tanks do: When the first thing they do each pull is chaining a melee mob and then spends the rest of the time chaining adds to that one mob rather than taunting melee and making them go into the big pack and chaining stray ranged mobs. Makes every trash pull take twice as long. Or worst yet, NB Tanks that use Fear.........

Hahahaha holycrap! I've never seen that before, xD

OneKhajiitCrimeWave · April 2017

Lynx7386 wrote: »

I'll tell you that, as a tank, the most annoying thing dps or healers do is pull before me. I don't have medium armor and a huge stamina pool to sprint through a dungeon, so you need to be a little patient and let me catch up.

Every time someone else aggros first, it makes it ten times harder for the tank to gather up mobs.

This one has experienced all 3 sides, having DPS characters, a tank and a healer.

Each group always finds something to blame on the others.

DPS moaning at healers for not healing them through 25k hits when they have 15-16k health and no shields/protection. This one has had this on numerous occasions and Khajiit has no time for such foolishness.

Tanks moaning at DPS for standing in stupid places (at the side of the tank) or taking shards thrown for the tank in specific fights (Cradle of Shadows this one booted a DPS for this crime. Khajiit had been hit with a green ball, asked for shards and then the DPS picked them up. No stamina to block the heavy attack, caused a wipe. Their response was "I needed stamina.")

Tanks moaning at healers for being on their DPS bars too much in certain fights.

Healers hating on tanks for not taking the aggro of ranged targets (Archers kill healers walkers, never forget it).

Healers hating on DPS for standing in red circles when they can take a small step and be out of them.

It's a triangle of rage and hate going all ways. Khajiit understands this and hopes walkers do too.

ArchMikem · April 2017

Blaming the Healer for dying because they didn't keep the Boss from rampaging after the Healer.

OneKhajiitCrimeWave · April 2017

ArchMikem wrote: »

Blaming the Healer for dying because they didn't keep the Boss from rampaging after the Healer.

This.... so much of this

Gargath · April 2017

Rev Rielle wrote: »

(...) b) blocking almost all the time, and then commenting about their lack of stamina.

You only have to block heavy attacks, and special attacks. And interrupt where appropriate. Other than that you you can let your armour soak up the damage very easily.

With so many great damaging/healing skills being ground targeted these days, (...).

The issue is that with so many great damaging/healing skills being ground targeted these days tanks sometimes need sun glasses to see when the heavy boss' attacks come. Boss is clouded by all those animated effects going from all directions, additional pets, rain of elements etc. When I play a tank and stay still taunting/blocking/shielding and I know mechanics, the only problem for me is not to miss the moment when boss tries to hit me. That really annoys me these days.

malicia · April 2017

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

It's not so much annoying, but I simple don't understand two things tanks do; a) Moving around all the time during battles (especially boss fights) where there is simply no need to, and b) blocking almost all the time, and then commenting about their lack of stamina.

You only have to block heavy attacks, and special attacks. And interrupt where appropriate. Other than that you you can let your armour soak up the damage very easily.

With so many great damaging/healing skills being ground targeted these days, the moving around really only prolongs and increases the difficulty of battle for all. But that goes for more than just the tank too, so many DPS just run around for whatever reason as soon as they start getting hit in battle. I've no idea what's gotten in to the player base of ESO, but there is so much unnecessary movement going on by players in the PvE part of the game. I guess it comes with lack of understanding of the mechanics? I don't know. But it's completely unnecessary and just plain confusing.

I try to keep enemies on the aoe, but movement is sometimes unavoidable. As for blocking, my sap tank can basically permablock with no resource issues, but not all tanks are created equal

This is my current greatest challenge when tanking (stamblade tanking, not saptanking) - to try and arrange mobs into a nice little bunch for the AoEs to take them down. Melee mobs are sort of easy - as long as I get aggro first they tend to cluster around me, so I'll spend a couple of seconds taunting a few more, then gather my faithful followers into a nice little circle of death.

But ranged mobs. Those are making me wonder whether a stamblade tank can ever be a really good tank. I just can't seem to make them behave. Most of the time my poor groups need to kill them one by one.

OneKhajiitCrimeWave · April 2017

malicia wrote: »

This is my current greatest challenge when tanking (stamblade tanking, not saptanking) - to try and arrange mobs into a nice little bunch for the AoEs to take them down. Melee mobs are sort of easy - as long as I get aggro first they tend to cluster around me, so I'll spend a couple of seconds taunting a few more, then gather my faithful followers into a nice little circle of death.

But ranged mobs. Those are making me wonder whether a stamblade tank can ever be a really good tank. I just can't seem to make them behave. Most of the time my poor groups need to kill them one by one.

Use your ability to move walker, Usually the range targets start in a small cluster or can be L.O.S in to a small cluster. Then you run the melee to them and have a lovely dance party of death in the AOE. There may be the odd one who is socially awkward and doesn't want to join the party... but they can be taken care of.

ScooberSteve · April 2017

If you use dungeon finder that's what you get and you either put up with it or don't use dungeon finder. The other alternative is to be in a pve guild like most people do. Or thirdly you can tank since everyone here is so dam competent at it it shouldn't be a problem.

Wolfchild07 · April 2017

How about those DPS with Maw of Infernal and Morkuldins spamming bow light attacks to proc them. And when they get attacked by a trash mob, back off from the group that is stacked on the rest of the mob, and continue spamming light attack on the one thing attacking them.

Also, best not to stand behind me when I'm obviously facing Selene away from the rest of the group, cause, you know...*RAWR*

Gargath · April 2017

malicia wrote: »

But ranged mobs. Those are making me wonder whether a stamblade tank can ever be a really good tank. I just can't seem to make them behave. Most of the time my poor groups need to kill them one by one.

Ranged mobs are the DD's job, killing one by one is imho a proper way, no need to pull everything to one place. Imho tank should wonder only about boss. When I play DD I don't expect a tank to pull any ads, I can handle them more efficiently and this is also fun to run a bit hitting ranged enemies. The most boring thing in group activities is when everyone stays in one place using the same rotation for several minutes, like when are killed the bosses in trials.
Sometimes I see tank pulling ads all together close to him (so close to the boss), then DDs and healer come close too, boss makes his heavy aoe along as ads hitting too and people suffer heavy damage before they can escape.
Personally I like to play in group with lightning staff sorcerer since his heavy aoe attack usually pulls ads to him. Then I can finish them from the side.
Tank pulling ads to boss isn't the best tactic imo.

raglau · April 2017

malicia wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

It's not so much annoying, but I simple don't understand two things tanks do; a) Moving around all the time during battles (especially boss fights) where there is simply no need to, and b) blocking almost all the time, and then commenting about their lack of stamina.

You only have to block heavy attacks, and special attacks. And interrupt where appropriate. Other than that you you can let your armour soak up the damage very easily.

With so many great damaging/healing skills being ground targeted these days, the moving around really only prolongs and increases the difficulty of battle for all. But that goes for more than just the tank too, so many DPS just run around for whatever reason as soon as they start getting hit in battle. I've no idea what's gotten in to the player base of ESO, but there is so much unnecessary movement going on by players in the PvE part of the game. I guess it comes with lack of understanding of the mechanics? I don't know. But it's completely unnecessary and just plain confusing.

I try to keep enemies on the aoe, but movement is sometimes unavoidable. As for blocking, my sap tank can basically permablock with no resource issues, but not all tanks are created equal

This is my current greatest challenge when tanking (stamblade tanking, not saptanking) - to try and arrange mobs into a nice little bunch for the AoEs to take them down. Melee mobs are sort of easy - as long as I get aggro first they tend to cluster around me, so I'll spend a couple of seconds taunting a few more, then gather my faithful followers into a nice little circle of death.

But ranged mobs. Those are making me wonder whether a stamblade tank can ever be a really good tank. I just can't seem to make them behave. Most of the time my poor groups need to kill them one by one.

Ranged mobs are the DDs job to polish off. And that is my view as a player who runs DD, Tank and Healer classes. ESO Tank's job is to deal with the most threatening mob(s) and keep them away from the weaker chars who are polishing off the strays.

zaria · April 2017

praglaud wrote: »

malicia wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

It's not so much annoying, but I simple don't understand two things tanks do; a) Moving around all the time during battles (especially boss fights) where there is simply no need to, and b) blocking almost all the time, and then commenting about their lack of stamina.

You only have to block heavy attacks, and special attacks. And interrupt where appropriate. Other than that you you can let your armour soak up the damage very easily.

With so many great damaging/healing skills being ground targeted these days, the moving around really only prolongs and increases the difficulty of battle for all. But that goes for more than just the tank too, so many DPS just run around for whatever reason as soon as they start getting hit in battle. I've no idea what's gotten in to the player base of ESO, but there is so much unnecessary movement going on by players in the PvE part of the game. I guess it comes with lack of understanding of the mechanics? I don't know. But it's completely unnecessary and just plain confusing.

I try to keep enemies on the aoe, but movement is sometimes unavoidable. As for blocking, my sap tank can basically permablock with no resource issues, but not all tanks are created equal

This is my current greatest challenge when tanking (stamblade tanking, not saptanking) - to try and arrange mobs into a nice little bunch for the AoEs to take them down. Melee mobs are sort of easy - as long as I get aggro first they tend to cluster around me, so I'll spend a couple of seconds taunting a few more, then gather my faithful followers into a nice little circle of death.

But ranged mobs. Those are making me wonder whether a stamblade tank can ever be a really good tank. I just can't seem to make them behave. Most of the time my poor groups need to kill them one by one.

Ranged mobs are the DDs job to polish off. And that is my view as a player who runs DD, Tank and Healer classes. ESO Tank's job is to deal with the most threatening mob(s) and keep them away from the weaker chars who are polishing off the strays.

Benefit of pulling in ranged is that they go down fast in the AoE around boss.
No its not required but it makes the run faster and its less chance of messing things up.
Now an DD issue is ignoring adds until group get overwhelmed.

Ep1kMalware · April 2017

Wolfchild07 wrote: »

How about those DPS with Maw of Infernal and Morkuldins spamming bow light attacks to proc them. And when they get attacked by a trash mob, back off from the group that is stacked on the rest of the mob, and continue spamming light attack on the one thing attacking them.

Also, best not to stand behind me when I'm obviously facing Selene away from the rest of the group, cause, you know...*RAWR*

Dude true story. Every time me and my gf que up for selene we always take bets on who's going to get killed by the green bear of death.

Savage_Audacity · April 2017

kiting the boss instead of tanking... no one wants to reapply ground based dots every 2 seconds

Brrrofski · April 2017

Lynx7386 wrote: »

I'll tell you that, as a tank, the most annoying thing dps or healers do is pull before me. I don't have medium armor and a huge stamina pool to sprint through a dungeon, so you need to be a little patient and let me catch up.

Every time someone else aggros first, it makes it ten times harder for the tank to gather up mobs.

Like when a DPS throws caltrops and aggros the entire room meaning I have to individually taunt everything.

malicia · April 2017

praglaud wrote: »

malicia wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

It's not so much annoying, but I simple don't understand two things tanks do; a) Moving around all the time during battles (especially boss fights) where there is simply no need to, and b) blocking almost all the time, and then commenting about their lack of stamina.

You only have to block heavy attacks, and special attacks. And interrupt where appropriate. Other than that you you can let your armour soak up the damage very easily.

With so many great damaging/healing skills being ground targeted these days, the moving around really only prolongs and increases the difficulty of battle for all. But that goes for more than just the tank too, so many DPS just run around for whatever reason as soon as they start getting hit in battle. I've no idea what's gotten in to the player base of ESO, but there is so much unnecessary movement going on by players in the PvE part of the game. I guess it comes with lack of understanding of the mechanics? I don't know. But it's completely unnecessary and just plain confusing.

I try to keep enemies on the aoe, but movement is sometimes unavoidable. As for blocking, my sap tank can basically permablock with no resource issues, but not all tanks are created equal

This is my current greatest challenge when tanking (stamblade tanking, not saptanking) - to try and arrange mobs into a nice little bunch for the AoEs to take them down. Melee mobs are sort of easy - as long as I get aggro first they tend to cluster around me, so I'll spend a couple of seconds taunting a few more, then gather my faithful followers into a nice little circle of death.

But ranged mobs. Those are making me wonder whether a stamblade tank can ever be a really good tank. I just can't seem to make them behave. Most of the time my poor groups need to kill them one by one.

Ranged mobs are the DDs job to polish off. And that is my view as a player who runs DD, Tank and Healer classes. ESO Tank's job is to deal with the most threatening mob(s) and keep them away from the weaker chars who are polishing off the strays.

In areas with only mobs I try to gather all the mobs, and that is where the ranged mobs' anti-social behaviour crawls under my skin. In boss zones I try to taunt the boss, and if he has one or two special friends, I'll invite them to our dance as well. I'm normally a bit shy there, so I try to face the boss away from my group. ZOS really gave the bosses ugly faces, so I don't want my group to have to look at them.

Rev Rielle · April 2017

Gargath wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

(...) b) blocking almost all the time, and then commenting about their lack of stamina.

You only have to block heavy attacks, and special attacks. And interrupt where appropriate. Other than that you you can let your armour soak up the damage very easily.

With so many great damaging/healing skills being ground targeted these days, (...).

The issue is that with so many great damaging/healing skills being ground targeted these days tanks sometimes need sun glasses to see when the heavy boss' attacks come. Boss is clouded by all those animated effects going from all directions, additional pets, rain of elements etc. When I play a tank and stay still taunting/blocking/shielding and I know mechanics, the only problem for me is not to miss the moment when boss tries to hit me. That really annoys me these days.

I must admit that filling the role of the tank at times this is a pain, but really it's only that Infernal Daedroth for me that makes it impossible for me as a tank to see the queues for a heavy attack/et

But yes, it certainly is a light-show at times, I wish there was a way we could turn it down a bit. Without losing quality otherwise in the game.

failkiwib16_ESO · April 2017

DK spreading mobs with Dragon Leap
Nightblade fearing mobs
Templar with 70k health and 0 resistances or resources, just constantly taking damage in middle of mobs
Sorcerer who just can't leave that streak button be, and streaks out of a cliff errytime during dat dungie ...errytime, 6months later errytime still dies in dat dungie ...
Tank going afk before taunting boss
Tank running 2 doors down the hall cuz got aggro by boss.....
Tank running behind me - a 16k hp altmer healer - to loose aggro from boss
Tank not taunting
Tank taunting then go in Werewolf mode and looses aggro
Tank tries to dps too hard, forgets the 1-shotting attacks the boss can have on the squishier members of the team
Tank ignores mobs, no pulling or ranged taunt
Tank refuses to stand still with a boss, and kites ....even with a good group, so the DD's that pull 40k-50k dps loose about half of what their dps due to that, and run out of resources.
Tank refuses to taunt - F"@#&/

I have to stop myself here, otherwise I go into caps-locks rage mode -.-

Delimber · April 2017

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

DK spreading mobs with Dragon Leap

Nightblade fearing mobs

Templar with 70k health and 0 resistances or resources, just constantly taking damage in middle of mobs

Sorcerer who just can't leave that streak button be, and streaks out of a cliff errytime during dat dungie ...errytime, 6months later errytime still dies in dat dungie ...

Tank going afk before taunting boss

Tank running 2 doors down the hall cuz got aggro by boss.....

Tank running behind me - a 16k hp altmer healer - to loose aggro from boss

Tank not taunting

Tank taunting then go in Werewolf mode and looses aggro

Tank tries to dps too hard, forgets the 1-shotting attacks the boss can have on the squishier members of the team

Tank ignores mobs, no pulling or ranged taunt

Tank refuses to stand still with a boss, and kites ....even with a good group, so the DD's that pull 40k-50k dps loose about half of what their dps due to that, and run out of resources.

Tank refuses to taunt - F"@#&/

I have to stop myself here, otherwise I go into caps-locks rage mode -.-

I use to tank, but took an Arrow to the knee jk

I loved the one of the tank going in to WW

From my time as a tank if you do your job the fights are very boring, block, taunt, heavy attack to restore stam, block, use ult to rebuild stam, block, taunt etc.

Stand in the danger zone and trust the healer to do what healers do best.

Helps if players have run through a dungeon while leveling up to have an idea of what it is like before doing vet pledges.