Bad players hate dps

Rewws · April 2017

People will always resent information and actions forced upon them, especially if this is a reminder that someone is "better" or doing something better then themselves. Also posting it without reason other then being proud is a bit narcissistic because measuring *** with others in order to get recognition and confirmation just makes you look like a *** (pun intended). It's a difficult thing balancing everything in life, although the one thing I find helpful is thinking I can assert myself within reasonable limits as long as it isn't on someone elses behalf or harming anyone. Confidence is a complex matter, but not having the need to boast about your accomplishments and simply being good, will occasionally, hopefully and eventually give you creds for it without flashing them. On that note, too many get too little creds or positive feedback when they actually do something good, so I for one try to pay it forward and try to encourage good behaviour and good deeds when I see it.

Good job on your deeps!

Not so good job on your flashing and lack of understanding!

Waseem · April 2017

I find it annoying to be in random keys pledge and have someone that uses the group chat strictly for posting dps.

hit new dps milestone? ok thats nice- maybe welcome for one/two bosses - talk about it, say you practice it, hardly doubt anyone would mind a friendly discussion regarding dps.
raid leader requested you to post dps? your duty
in group with friends trying to make some competition? more than welcome.

but to be in group with people you don't know and showed 0 interest in that numbers on *first* boss,- and i repeat, on first boss none cared--- no need to push it further its just not their thing and may be annoying chat spam if continued for further bosses.

imo group chat is better to be used for proper communication or discussing pizza toppings than to fill it with almost meaningless damage numbers-- killing bosses quickly will be welcomed by others, some may drop compliments, but no need to put yourself in position where you are like asking for compliments..

happy gaming.

Phinix1 · April 2017

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Apparently it's negative to post your dps these days. Not first time I get hate for it.

Did a pledge with some random players from zone chat...

Here's your problem. Posting DPS meters is generally discouraged in ESO. Not just by other players but even the devs have broken entire addons just to prevent it, that's how unwanted it is in this game.

When you are with a group of buddies that are TRYING to optimize numbers, it is cool. But with random groups, the general rule is don't post it unless you are asked to.

Also, knowing that 90% of the players in this particular game neither want nor care to see numbers, why would you derive any satisfaction from posting it at them? The reward and pride you speak of only comes when the people you are showing actually want to see it.

I would say a better path would be to strip yourself of the NEED to get validated by what others think. Learn to be proud of your OWN achievements. DPS isn't like art, where sharing with others is the point because it has a message, a personal idea or expression you wish to communicate. Nothing is expressed or communicated through big DPS numbers.

It is one of the things in life that one must learn to make it's own reward. If you are doing your job well they will notice because the group will do well and you will have been part of what led them to victory.

Be proud of that, not a number, and you won't feel unappreciated by a game that is against DPS meters.

potirondb16_ESO · April 2017

I do understand the point about self gratification and not linking in order to keep respectfull status Inside the group. I do will try to do better toward that regards.

hedna123b14_ESO · April 2017

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Apparently it's negative to post your dps these days. Not first time I get hate for it.

Did a pledge with some random players from zone chat.
This group leader spent over 30 mins on gathering a "good" group for his pledge. Finally group got togther and we started.
The group leader had full pvp build. Stormfist, wrecking blow spam etc. The damage from him was so insanely low. The bosses took long time to kill, but I didn't mind that. I was here to get used to rotation on my alt.

Anyway, I posted dps after a boss fight, and it was 60k or something with some aoe. Then the hate started. To mention a few things the group stopped to tell me was: "No one care about your dps". "Big diick party is not here". "You are a coward with bad dps". "Noob". "You are an assshole".

I say this quite often, I don't post to brag, but I am used to play with tanks and healers that are interested in what buff uptimes they get and what their dd's get as result. If someone have good dps, it means adds was in place as well as the buffs, and maybe the other DD like to have someone to compare with.

I will ask the community the same question as I asked my group: If you are a casual player, a player who don't care about min maxing, dps, group support etc and going for veteran dungeons. Are you not happy to get a DD with you that can burn those bosses and help your odds towards a no death achievement? If my dps and experience doesn't matter, why spending 30 mins on gathering a good group for a dungeon then? Why not take a low cp player instead? Dps doesn't matter anyway so what's the problem?

A tip for you guys. Let the dd's post and let them be proud of the numbers they see, specially if they worked hard for it. This game doesn't give you dps if you spam random buttons, it actually require proper rotation. Just ignore the posts if it bothers you and be happy the dungeon are going smooth.

Not a problem for me, but the closest example that kind of nips it in the bud, is you wanting to help a poor family by buying them a house and then constantly reminding them that you bought said house for them for the rest of the time you know them. Buy a house for them is nice, but reminding them of said charity just reminds them that they are dependent on you and owe you.

Volrion · April 2017

modaretto wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

A tip for you guys. Let the dd's post and let them be proud of the numbers they see, specially if they worked hard for it. This game doesn't give you dps if you spam random buttons, it actually require proper rotation. Just ignore the posts if it bothers you and be happy the dungeon are going smooth.

Let's put it this way :

Imagine a beautiful person walking like a top model. Obviously this person is nice to look at, and has put some effort into his/her appearance and body shape. Along with the beauty given at birth, which is pure random luck.

If you see this person at a fashion show or a beauty competition, it's all OK.
If the same person does it in the street, in a shop or in an office... how does that look like ? Like someone who's claiming loud to be better than others, and therefore making everyone else feel miserable.

Context matters.

To be honest, it DOES annoy me when someone posts DPS statistics in a pugged dungeon. It's not that bad that I actually react or reply to it, I just swallow it, but if you ask me, the truth is that it is annoying. To me.

I'm well aware that it actually "helps" the whole group... but that's a benefit that doesn't compensate the negative feeling of being ... less ? carried ? whatever...

Don't post your DPS in a PUG. That's my position, if you ask me.

what did i just read xD

yeah so sorry for you guys, you will get the pledge done in about 10 minutes, must be a horrible feeling to get a good dd in your group

i think next time he should slot one hander and run around light attacking single mobs, i'm sure it would make others feel better because he would suck as much as the rest of the group and therefore after one hour in normal pledge everyone could say they did they very best and deserve a cookie

Exactly. OP can pug with me any day of the week.

Ungrateful *** lol

dday3six · April 2017

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Phinix1 wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Apparently it's negative to post your dps these days. Not first time I get hate for it.

Did a pledge with some random players from zone chat...

Here's your problem. Posting DPS meters is generally discouraged in ESO. Not just by other players but even the devs have broken entire addons just to prevent it, that's how unwanted it is in this game.

When you are with a group of buddies that are TRYING to optimize numbers, it is cool. But with random groups, the general rule is don't post it unless you are asked to.

Also, knowing that 90% of the players in this particular game neither want nor care to see numbers, why would you derive any satisfaction from posting it at them?

The reward and pride you speak of only comes when the people you are showing actually want to see it. It would be like kissing someone who had a crush on you and knowing it made them feel good, compared to forcing yourself on them without their consent. See the difference? The 2nd is nothing to be proud of.

I would say an enlightened path would be to strip yourself of the NEED to get validated by what others think. Learn to be proud of your OWN achievements. DPS isn't like art, where sharing with others is the point because it has a message, a personal idea or expression you wish to communicate. Nothing is expressed or communicated through big DPS numbers.

It is one of the things in life that one must learn to make it's own reward. If you are doing your job well they will notice because the group will do well and you will have been part of what led them to victory.

Be proud of that, not a number, and you won't feel unappreciated by a game that is against DPS meters.

You're comparing posting DPS stats to sexual assault. One is perhaps annoying, the other is a crime in most places. You need to pump your breaks there kemosabe, and seriously re-evaluate what you're alluding to.

Seriously? I thought the whole point of combat in games was to kill *** and feel powerful for it. Then as soon as someone does all the sucky players go picketing.

\o/?

You'd think that was the point. Though, with ESO I almost think ZOS wants players to find the powerful setups so the can bludgeon them to death with the nerf bat.

AhPook_Is_Here · April 2017

A wink is as good as a nod to a blind snake.

exeeter702 · April 2017

Kalante wrote: »

LOL thread back fired on OP.

um.... no it really didnt..

SnubbS · April 2017

SirAndy wrote: »

SnubbS wrote: »

I actually feel legitimately sorry for the people who use the 'E-peen' response when someone is discussing something they've done in-game. You have to be such a complete loser to have that world-view—it's so sad.

Right, because posting your own inflated self importance is obviously a sign of a much superior world-view ...

Let me try this:
lolz, n00b u canz nevuh beat meh, 60k dps, i noz lolz, n00b

Did i get that right? Can i join your elite club now? Am i important now? Will i sleep better tonight?

You're looking into it faaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr too much. Some random person likes posting DPS numbers in an (I assume) dead chat box? "Clearly here we have a narcissist—someone who has such a clear an over inflated sense of self-worth." You've discerned that from a simple action—can I please enroll in your psychology course? I'm at least attacking a world-view that exists and is discernable. The type of people I'm referring to are the people who feel the need to reiterate "It's just a game" as if everyone isn't aware—not even simple casuals, because casuals literally don't care. The people I'm referring to are the kind of people who need to reiterate and reinforce their lack of care. They want you to know how little they care, do you not realize how little they care? THEY DONT CARE MAN. LEAVE THEM ALONE THEY DONT CARE. ITS JUST A FORUM POST MAN THEY DONT CARE.

THEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYYY DDDDDDDDOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNT CCCCCCCAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEE.

Get it? Heaven forbid they care, they're not allowed to care—THEY DONT CARE DAMMNIT.

I'll make up a name for them in fact—I'll call them Authoritarian Casuals.

The people who actually don't care—they don't even mention it, they don't acknowledge it in any way. These are not the people who head to forums talking about it, while proclaiming their lack of care—and these are certainly not the people who respond with angry "E-peen" rhetoric and a lack of care.

You see what I'm doing here? I'm delving far too deeply into the 'Authoritarian Casuals'—the same as you delving far too deeply into a simple action that many different types of people might perform.

From the description OP has given, there's simply no way to accurately portray his actions as him saying "You can never out DPS this parse." I'm glad to see that your side of this argument is being quite charitable.

Also, I'm a console player—we don't get Parses after boss kills (like we should). So there isn't any way for me to start a "People who post DPS parses in chat" club. I'm also not a PvE player, so the chance of me starting one had I played PC are quite low.

FleetwoodSmack · April 2017

This thread is the prime example on why people just shouldn't PuG.

Phinix1 · April 2017

dday3six wrote: »

Your analogy's intentions were to shame via association with a crime. It's a tactic of those who prefer appeals to emotion rather than logic. That was it's intention.

@dday3six

Ha ha I think you are reading WAY too much into this man. You make me sound like some sort of evil psychological disinformation mastermind when what you are describing honestly didn't even cross my mind.

I edited my original post to remove any possibility of interpreting the message to be malicious shaming or psychological chicanery though, so in the interest of not wanting to offend anyone, which I am assuming was the point of your reply, I'd appreciate if you removed the quoted block from your own post, which you repeated in it's entirety.

colig · April 2017

I don't get offended by people posting their dps. It's only a problem if they start verbally abusing others because everyone else is seemingly under-performing. Then again, I am usually healer, so I don't feel much threatened by someone's big numbers. I just drink my tea and continue healing.

mariskaas · April 2017

As a bad player: We don't hate DPS, we just don't care for it :')
All jokes aside, I usually play as tank, I often play vetHM, and always in a pre-made group, and never ever has someone posted their DPS to the chat, unless asked for. I don't care if they would, but why? If you got through the dungeon, I don't really see the point tbh..

Beardimus · April 2017

@KaiVox22 cheers for the personal dig, your abrasive comments like that thru this thread are why people think the type of elitist people regularly quoting DPS figures are knobby, as they are rarely are the done in some holistic manner to help others. You really arent helping the OP's case.

Telling people to 'Get Gud' is one of the key reasons people hate DPS boasting, Skeleton destroying min maxers and people shy away from it all.

Explain Get Gud in a MMORPG anyway. Hell some people are here to catch the fish, some just drink in taverns, some blow all their wad on virtual homes just to get a title to show off. What's Gud? Am I Gud if I copy the latest Meta Build and skill setup and press the buttons in someone else's sequence so I can share a 50k DPS stat?

As for my sig, its there to give context to where I am in the game. Zero epeen, and stormproof is something I'm proud of so its there. If I waited for Flawless then I would be a hypocrite, that would be epeening to wait for something I thought sounded impressive to others, so I think you miss the point.

Anyway bottomline is clearly we all play the game for differing reasons, for some Trials / Min Max uber gaming playstyle is the way, for others picking the flowers and checking the views so there will always be a clash. This thread was suprise at this clash, and I'm saying I understand the reaction the OP had as everyone is here for different reasons.

idk · April 2017

I see nothing wrong with posting DPS. I do not think less of those who do not.

bitels · April 2017

First rule of posting DPS- you either post it after every fight, or you dont post it at all.
And TBH i just dont care if someone else posting it. If u like doing it- great for you, but im not doing it until im asked for

anitajoneb17_ESO · April 2017

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

This thread is the prime example on why people just shouldn't PuG.

True, but many people still need to PUG for various reasons. (Some) hardcore players insist that PUGging is for everyone and persist in imposing their competitive playstyle onto others. I believe PUGging should be oriented towards casuals since they have less time to socialize and thus have less close friends and guildmates to group up with.
OP is a prime example why (some) hardcore players need to PUG in spite of having a lot of playtime and therefore plenty of opportunities to fill up their friend list. They simply lack basic social skills imho.

But all in all, don't forget that the forum doesn't reflect the reality of the game. On PC-EU, most people in PUGs are friendly and social, even if there's a great discrepancy in players' skills. People shouldn't be afraid to PUG. We'll all occasionally stumble upon a d***bag, let's just deal with them, most groups are really nice.

Magdalina · April 2017

On side note, with so many people saying they don't care...even leaving aside the part where if you don't care there's no need to say anything one way or the other("don't care about something" literaly just means just that - if that something happens, you're like "well, okay", if it doesn't happen you're like "well, okay" too)...why would you not care about performance of people in your GROUP in a GROUP dungeon? Your completion and reward directly depend on their performance. Sure you can compensate for some of it if you're good, but not all, and not always.

Do you also not care if your healer drags around a 2h, wears medium armor and his only heal is Rally? Do you not care if your dps do 5k dps combined and every trash pack takes 20 mins and every boss is nigh unbeatable, and gods forbid it has a self heal? You may argue that posting your dps without being asked is a bit of bragging and showing off(but then let's be honest...most/all of us like showing off some when they have something to show off

) and therefore it's the attitude behind it that irks you off, but saying you don't care about performance of your teammates in a group activity seems absurd. All it takes is 2-3 runs with pug dps of like 7k combined to realize that you in fact do very much care about the dps your groupmates put out lol.

Hafgar_W · April 2017

I'm sorry you had to deal with those jerks, OP. Still...

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Artis · April 2017

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Artis wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

I don't expect water and fire to mix. But I was grown up and didn't talk negative about his 5k dps, so he should shut up and not talk negative about my 60k either. That's the point. So far in this community, only the "elitists" have to be nice and respectful, but not the other way around. I queue for pug group, group was bad, I didn't say anything about it and did my job. I never tired to mix water with fire, but that doesn't mean I accept getting hate spams.

You posted your 60K DPS in the face of people who (so say you) pulled 5K.
That equals to shouting "Hey Noob I'm doing all the work you slacker, you suck !". You actually SAID SOMETHING really agressive by posting those numbers.

If you don't get that, I cannot help you further. You should "git gud" at social intelligence.

Scrub mentality at its finest. No it wasn't equal to shouting that. The only person who would think that - is the person who is insecure about his dps and think that he's a noob or slack himself. Definitely not a person who "doesn't care".

I'll disagree to some extent.. I wouldn't exactly say that he "shouted noob" in their faces.. But he gives the impression of saying "Look at me, I'm better than you".. But if he's used to people actually caring about numbers, I can see why he linked them in the first place.. But maybe such actions should be saved for dedicated groups, and not pugs

Pug or not, why shouldn't he link his dps if he wants to? People who care will be glad to know, people who don't care - will not care.

KingYogi415 · April 2017

I know I put out around 20k dps while tanking vet dungeons on both mag and stam sorc.

I would love to post parses and show the group just hard the carry was.

Of course I would kill just for buff timers and mage book add on.

Cheers!

Gargath · April 2017

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Iyas wrote: »

So its ok for you that ppl are wasting the time of other players? Okaaaay then.

Am I wasting anyone's time if I pull 20K DPS ?
Besides, not everyone cares about speed-speed-speed and quick-quick-quick. That's a min/maxer obsession. Most players prefer a few wipes at normal speed and no pressure, rather than a speed-speed-speed with all pressure imposed by some DPS-obsessed prick.

Iyas wrote: »

And your RL example is totally flawed. If you join a pug as a DD. Then everyone is a sprinter according to your example. Or more like a relay race.

Nope. Remember it's about completion, not about quickest possible completion (unlike a relay race where the quickest win).

In a PUG, everyone is a sunday morning jogger (remember 15K DPS is enough to complete content, even with HM enabled). If a sprinter decides to PUG, he has to adapt, not the other way around.

No way a 60K DPS player is entitled to make everyone feel out of place by posting his DPS. He's the one who's out of place.

Just wanted to say you have my full support

.

Yesterday before doing pledges as DD, another DD guildie sorc told us he is sorry because has a really bad dps and then he asked me what is mine. Since I run a offensive stamplar with DW, Red Mountain, Viper and Selenes I can easily do few tens dps, but I just replied "enough". I know I can do a lot but I don't want others to know. We did the content the regular way and it's all that matters.
Say NO to min/maxer obsessions!

Daemons_Bane · April 2017

Artis wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Artis wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

I don't expect water and fire to mix. But I was grown up and didn't talk negative about his 5k dps, so he should shut up and not talk negative about my 60k either. That's the point. So far in this community, only the "elitists" have to be nice and respectful, but not the other way around. I queue for pug group, group was bad, I didn't say anything about it and did my job. I never tired to mix water with fire, but that doesn't mean I accept getting hate spams.

You posted your 60K DPS in the face of people who (so say you) pulled 5K.
That equals to shouting "Hey Noob I'm doing all the work you slacker, you suck !". You actually SAID SOMETHING really agressive by posting those numbers.

If you don't get that, I cannot help you further. You should "git gud" at social intelligence.

Scrub mentality at its finest. No it wasn't equal to shouting that. The only person who would think that - is the person who is insecure about his dps and think that he's a noob or slack himself. Definitely not a person who "doesn't care".

I'll disagree to some extent.. I wouldn't exactly say that he "shouted noob" in their faces.. But he gives the impression of saying "Look at me, I'm better than you".. But if he's used to people actually caring about numbers, I can see why he linked them in the first place.. But maybe such actions should be saved for dedicated groups, and not pugs

Pug or not, why shouldn't he link his dps if he wants to? People who care will be glad to know, people who don't care - will not care.

I won'tsay what he should or should not post, as that is his free choice.. I only say what it might look like to others

Gargath · April 2017

Artis wrote: »

Pug or not, why shouldn't he link his dps if he wants to? People who care will be glad to know, people who don't care - will not care.

There is also a category of people who care and will not be glad to know.

anitajoneb17_ESO · April 2017

Magdalina wrote: »

On side note, with so many people saying they don't care...even leaving aside the part where if you don't care there's no need to say anything one way or the other("don't care about something" literaly just means just that - if that something happens, you're like "well, okay", if it doesn't happen you're like "well, okay" too)...

"I don't care about your DPS" doesn't mean "I don't care that you post your DPS to brag". Simple as that.

Magdalina wrote: »

You may argue that posting your dps without being asked is a bit of bragging and showing off(but then let's be honest...most/all of us like showing off some when they have something to show off )

Wrong. Most players, including excellent ones, don't need nor want to show off anything. Don't generalize the attitude of a few that need for some reason to feed their real ego with their performance in a game.

Magdalina wrote: »

Saying you don't care about performance of your teammates in a group activity seems absurd. All it takes is 2-3 runs with pug dps of like 7k combined to realize that you in fact do very much care about the dps your groupmates put out lol.

It isn't absurd.
PUGs of 7K DPS combined are very rare. Ordinary PUGs have 30-35K DPS combined and that's enough to complete.
Some dude being there with 60K DPS doesn't hurt, UNLESS he comes off bragging and posting about it, thinking that he's been carrying everyone. On the contrary, he has put stress and pressure onto everyone - while the dungeon could easily have been completed in an enjoyable manner with an open-minded, friendly and socially skilled 15K DPS player.

What matters is completion and atmosphere. Not DPS.

Cadbury · April 2017

SnubbS wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

SnubbS wrote: »

I actually feel legitimately sorry for the people who use the 'E-peen' response when someone is discussing something they've done in-game. You have to be such a complete loser to have that world-view—it's so sad.

Right, because posting your own inflated self importance is obviously a sign of a much superior world-view ...

Let me try this:
lolz, n00b u canz nevuh beat meh, 60k dps, i noz lolz, n00b

Did i get that right? Can i join your elite club now? Am i important now? Will i sleep better tonight?

Also, I'm a console player—we don't get Parses after boss kills (like we should). So there isn't any way for me to start a "People who post DPS parses in chat" club. I'm also not a PvE player, so the chance of me starting one had I played PC are quite low.

You can always record your rotations on a training dummy and send them a link in chat...

Just sayin'

anitajoneb17_ESO · April 2017

Gargath wrote: »

Just wanted to say you have my full support .

Yesterday before doing pledges as DD, another DD guildie sorc told us he is sorry because has a really bad dps and then he asked me what is mine. Since I run a offensive stamplar with DW, Red Mountain, Viper and Selenes I can easily do few tens dps, but I just replied "enough". I know I can do a lot but I don't want others to know. We did the content the regular way and it's all that matters.
Say NO to min/maxer obsessions!

Nice !
Let me share another story.
I had just made a new character, levelled it to 50, and was hunting skill points. Since I have 800+ CP, my char showed that, but I still wasn't familiar with the class, had no optimal rotation nor optimized gear. I queued up for normal VoM in group finder, ended up in a group and we go.
After the first few trash I realize we were on vet, not normal. Either the group finder or I made a mistake (probably me). I immediately tell the group that I had queued for normal, that I pull 12K DPS and that I don't know the mechanics of vet mode in this dungeon, let alone HM. I offer them to replace me. On several occasions.
They said "no, we're going through this together". They explained the vet mechanics there to me. We wiped 5-6 times on last boss. We gave up on HM and just did vet-no HM mode because of me - they all agreed even though it was daily and they were there for keys (unlike me who was there for the skill point).

Nobody gave up on anyone, everybody was patient and nice, and people (including me) were ready to adapt and compromise.
It was a heart warming experience. And most PUG experiences are nice experiences.

I think it's worth sharing such stories too, not only because they are positive, but also to counter the horrendous image of PUGging that OP and a few others spread all over the forum as often as they can.

Takes-No-Prisoner · April 2017

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

but I am used to play with tanks and healers that are interested in what buff uptimes they get and what their dd's get as result. If someone have good dps, it means adds was in place as well as the buffs, and maybe the other DD like to have someone to compare with.

Good point

sadownik · April 2017

If what OP described happen just like that, i must say im surprised with so much hate towards him in this thread. Someone positng dps in chat, so what? If its very high i sometimes ask about tips, if its nothing special well i literały dont care. And by dont care i mean i really, actually and factually dont care. I dont attack verbally that person to show how much i dont care because it shows something opposite.

And to those that say DPS doesnt matter. What?