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Warlord and Magician CP being removed in Morrowind
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Kendaric✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭If they lowered the base cost of skills, they wouldn't have to remove cost reduction CPs in the first place. Their fix would be completely useless, wouldn't it?
I think you severely overestimate the actual impact of sets on damage and underestimate the importance of mechanical knowledge and experience.
Furthermore they don't need to communicate their reasoning on the official boards because they already did on ESO Live. We discuss these changes here, that's what message boards are for.
Lowering the base resource cost is needed, the actual amount of is debatable of course. I'm not saying to lower the cost by 25% gained from CP, but 10-15% should be ok without negating their change.Edited by Kendaric on March 20, 2017 12:17PM1 -
IwakuraLain42✭✭✭✭✭IwakuraLain42 wrote: »Furthermore they don't need to communicate their reasoning on the official boards because they already did on ESO Live. We discuss these changes here, that's what message boards are for.
No they didn't. I don't know why people still bring that up here. There was a segment called "hot topics" at the end, Rich mentioned the PAX leak and then continued to explain the reasoning behind that with regard to PvP. Nowhere did they mentioned anything with regard to PvE and the consequences and concerns asked here.
No, the topic was not purely about PvP, it just happened they discussed battlegrounds before this came up. They directly referenced their balancing announcement in homestead patch notes and that this was another step they would take to lower the damage ceiling and get the build system back on track because they want to stick to a game concept where resources and not artificial cooldowns are the limiting factor in DPS.
They said that the current CP stars like regen had no active counters in the CP tree so the changes are meant to change that. But adding a CP star limiting the enemies regen makes absolutely no sense in PvE, mobs/bosses have unlimited resources.
And one of the main concern raised here, that this will mostly affect the damage output from non-elite players together with the already risen skill costs and the health/resistance of the bosses will make this content again unreachable for a lot of players. Or do you really thing they adapt the health of the trial bosses down ?4 -
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✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »joaaocaampos wrote: »I'll just say one thing:
STOP WHINING!
This is not whining, this is complaining, keep in mind that only the people who complain change things, sometimes for the worst sometimes for the best.
People seem to forget that the word whining isn't a synonym of complaining, whining is high pitched moaning, the ones that babies do, it doesn't have anything to do with criticism, especially if the concerns are real and the argument is well put.
People have voiced they're opinion on this and it's mostly negative.
No not true. Many people have spoke up about liking this change. There might be more comments against the change, but that is because many of the same people keep saying the same thing over and over again. Additionally, this thread does not give all the opinions of what most people think so you can't say the response to this change is mostly negative. This thread is filled with the same people saying the same thing over again with new people who comment on thread. Many of us for the change have stopped commenting because we have said our piece.This thread has 28k views, still no word from devs. Gj ZOS, you beat the record in ignoring player base.
This forum is not a q&a. It was not initiated by the devs and they have no obligation to respond to it.
That said, if you think it was not noticed you would be crazy.
I mean what response do you want. O hey guys we saw this thread???? They are still working on the update and they don't know what they are going to do completely yet. Say they see the concern?? Well many of us like it also so maybe they could say we like that you guys like it?? They can't win by responding. Either they lose because one side is upset to it staying or going, or they say something that just says they saw thread and they get torn apart for leaving it at that.
Get a grip it will be fine.
1. Most people I've seen in this thread have reacted negatively to the change. If you'd like to do a experiment, I urge you. Go into game, during primetime hours, and ask people what they think of the change in several different zones and start tallying reactions.
1A. GIVE THEM THE FULL STORY, OR IT DOES NOT COUNT. I dont trust you not to lie to pad the results.
Of course you wont, because your more concerned with crushing dissent and discussion you think dosent need to be happening, but it's a thought. Put your money where your mouth is.
2. No. The Devs have no obligation to respond to any of it. However, this 'lack of obligation' does not mean they should not. The devs have the ability to take things into their own hands, try to communicate the changes, and possibly put this issue to bed before it even hits PTS.
But they dont. They've likely allready decided the change, which is why it really does not matter if they noticed or not. It's going through.
3. The people I see going on about how this change is great are either sarcastic, or allready well off. This is a class war. The people lawding for the change are the same people yelling incessantly for this game to be harder when they need to go play darksouls again. These people who will never be satisfied, who's happiness come at the cost of ours. Forgive me if I dont think very highly of these greedy people.
I dont have faith it'll be fine. I have faith it'll either be the death of, or a step in the direction of the death of, this game. Spurred on by people who allready raid at the endgame level, or people like Alcast who cant understand the myriad of differences between what this game was a year ago, and what it is now. The ill informed and gullable, and the greedy and manipulative.
You know how many changes this game has gone through since launch in which people said, if this change goes through I will quit and the game will be dead????? Been happening since launch bro. Sure some will leave, some will come back and we all move on. The game will not die because of this. People just like to yell about how the game will die etc etc because they think it helps their argument as to why the change should not go theough.3 -
Flameheart✭✭✭✭✭Presales are over and ZOS is pulling the rabbit out of the hat on PAX.
At least their marketing guy is a good one :-)
Edited by Flameheart on March 20, 2017 2:06PMSometimes the prey turns and nips us... it's a small thing.
So let the snow flakes and unicorns dance alone until they melt or vanish from existence, we will finish up with those smart enough to stay in the glowing circle of love.
Selissi - CP 1k+ Redguard Stamina Nightblade (Ebonheart Pact)
Silmerel - CP 1k+ Breton Magicka Templar (Ebonheart Pact)
Sunja - CP 1k+ Dunmer Magicka Nightblade (Ebonheart Pact)
Suldreni - CP 1k+ Dunmer Magicka Dragonknight (Ebonheart Pact)
Sulhelka - CP 1k+ Altmer Magicka Sorcerer (Ebonheart Pact)
Sylundine - CP 1k+ Breton Magicka Warden (Ebonheart Pact)4 -
DHale✭✭✭✭✭
✭We will see how well you will like the nerfs when you go into VMA and into ruins of matazzan or cradle of shadows.Sorcerna, proud beta sorc. RIP April 2014 to May 31 2016 DArk Brotherhood. Out of retirement for negates and encases. Sorcerna will be going back into retirement to be my main crafter Fall 2018. Because an 8 k shield is f ing useless. Died because of baddies on the forum. Too much qq too little pew pew. 16 AD 2 DC. 0 EP cause they bad, CP 2300 plus 18 level 50 toons. NA, PC, Grey Host#SORCLIVESMATTER actually they don’t or they wouldn’t keep getting nerfed constantly.3 -
Nelson_Rebel✭✭✭✭✭
✭Flameheart wrote: »Presales are over and ZOS is pulling the rabbit out of the hat on PAX.
At least their marketing guy is a good one :-)
They are skilled with this line of marketing
But even so I feel they should speak up on it at some point with an announcement at the least. This change, and with the publicity it's receiving warrants that much, I think.
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Flameheart✭✭✭✭✭Tenacity will stay, won't it ? It should work already for "medium" attacks and therefore for flame staff weaving and surely for full heavy lightning AoE blasts.
It won't help light attack builds though.
PS: Was worth a try, but seems to work just for fully charged heavy attacks...Edited by Flameheart on March 20, 2017 5:36PMSometimes the prey turns and nips us... it's a small thing.
So let the snow flakes and unicorns dance alone until they melt or vanish from existence, we will finish up with those smart enough to stay in the glowing circle of love.
Selissi - CP 1k+ Redguard Stamina Nightblade (Ebonheart Pact)
Silmerel - CP 1k+ Breton Magicka Templar (Ebonheart Pact)
Sunja - CP 1k+ Dunmer Magicka Nightblade (Ebonheart Pact)
Suldreni - CP 1k+ Dunmer Magicka Dragonknight (Ebonheart Pact)
Sulhelka - CP 1k+ Altmer Magicka Sorcerer (Ebonheart Pact)
Sylundine - CP 1k+ Breton Magicka Warden (Ebonheart Pact)0 -
GoldenLight✭✭✭Why not just do it this way....
Under Tower:
Magician = Reduce Magicka costs when wearing (Light armor (5 Pieces))
Warlord = Reduce Stamina costs when wearing (Medium Armor (5 Pieces))
New one:
Resolve: Reduce Damage when wearing (Heavy Armor (5 Pieces))
That way every armor type gets a bonus to where they need. Magicka reduction for wearing 5 Light armor, Stamina costs reduction for wearing 5 medium armor and damage reduction when wearing 5 heavy armor (which gets rid of the problem with cost reductions with heavy armor focus and still leaves 16% reduction to cost for stamina and magicka with the appropriate armor.
Leave Sprinter and Bashing focus there giving a total of 5 options for points and balance the game."Wonderful! Time for a celebration... Cheese for everyone!"13 -
mr_wazzabi✭✭✭✭✭
✭president.rassilonb14_ESO wrote: »Why not just do it this way....
Under Tower:
Magician = Reduce Magicka costs when wearing (Light armor (5 Pieces))
Warlord = Reduce Stamina costs when wearing (Medium Armor (5 Pieces))
New one:
Resolve: Reduce Damage when wearing (Heavy Armor (5 Pieces))
That way every armor type gets a bonus to where they need. Magicka reduction for wearing 5 Light armor, Stamina costs reduction for wearing 5 medium armor and damage reduction when wearing 5 heavy armor (which gets rid of the problem with cost reductions with heavy armor focus and still leaves 16% reduction to cost for stamina and magicka with the appropriate armor.
Leave Sprinter and Bashing focus there giving a total of 5 options for points and balance the game.
I actually like this suggestion. No more op black rose viper tremorscale tank dps'sBosmer Stamina NB
Altmer Magicka TEMP
Dunmer DK both stam/mag (depends what I feel like)
Altmer Magicka NB
Breton Magicka Sorc
Redguard Stam Sorc
Max CP4 -
Nelson_Rebel✭✭✭✭✭
✭president.rassilonb14_ESO wrote: »Why not just do it this way....
Under Tower:
Magician = Reduce Magicka costs when wearing (Light armor (5 Pieces))
Warlord = Reduce Stamina costs when wearing (Medium Armor (5 Pieces))
New one:
Resolve: Reduce Damage when wearing (Heavy Armor (5 Pieces))
That way every armor type gets a bonus to where they need. Magicka reduction for wearing 5 Light armor, Stamina costs reduction for wearing 5 medium armor and damage reduction when wearing 5 heavy armor (which gets rid of the problem with cost reductions with heavy armor focus and still leaves 16% reduction to cost for stamina and magicka with the appropriate armor.
Leave Sprinter and Bashing focus there giving a total of 5 options for points and balance the game.
I could get behind this for sure
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zaria✭✭✭✭✭
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sounds like an good idea.president.rassilonb14_ESO wrote: »Why not just do it this way....
Under Tower:
Magician = Reduce Magicka costs when wearing (Light armor (5 Pieces))
Warlord = Reduce Stamina costs when wearing (Medium Armor (5 Pieces))
New one:
Resolve: Reduce Damage when wearing (Heavy Armor (5 Pieces))
That way every armor type gets a bonus to where they need. Magicka reduction for wearing 5 Light armor, Stamina costs reduction for wearing 5 medium armor and damage reduction when wearing 5 heavy armor (which gets rid of the problem with cost reductions with heavy armor focus and still leaves 16% reduction to cost for stamina and magicka with the appropriate armor.
Leave Sprinter and Bashing focus there giving a total of 5 options for points and balance the game.Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.6 -
Dantaria✭✭✭✭✭
Hey, that actually sounds awesome!president.rassilonb14_ESO wrote: »Why not just do it this way....
Under Tower:
Magician = Reduce Magicka costs when wearing (Light armor (5 Pieces))
Warlord = Reduce Stamina costs when wearing (Medium Armor (5 Pieces))
New one:
Resolve: Reduce Damage when wearing (Heavy Armor (5 Pieces))
That way every armor type gets a bonus to where they need. Magicka reduction for wearing 5 Light armor, Stamina costs reduction for wearing 5 medium armor and damage reduction when wearing 5 heavy armor (which gets rid of the problem with cost reductions with heavy armor focus and still leaves 16% reduction to cost for stamina and magicka with the appropriate armor.
Leave Sprinter and Bashing focus there giving a total of 5 options for points and balance the game.
Edited by Dantaria on March 20, 2017 8:48PMEnglish isn't my native, apologies for any mistakes.1 -
apostate9✭✭✭✭✭mr_wazzabi wrote: »I think ZOS sees two different things occurring, first, a 16% Cost Reduction from CP isn't 'huge' but fairly significant... but if players are also throwing a glyph or two into Jewelry, that creates a massive Cost Reduction allowing players to spam forever... and perhaps they figure this may be contributing to lag and other server issues... I don't know.
However, with Cost Reduction removed from CP, this will force players who stack damage glyphs to focus more on resource management and will also force those who already run CR glyphs to be more aware of resource management. It's certainly not the 'sky is falling' like many seem to act... it means adjusting your playstyle once again. This is nothing new in MMOs, this has happened in every MMO that I have played... the constant 'balance' and 'adjustments' to abilities and resources every few months.
How will we survive enrage mechanics if we have to watch resources?
By getting good?
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BuddyAces✭✭✭✭✭
✭Starting to think ZOS is listening to the top players in the game. Our fan favorite streamers maybe? But most definitely not the majority of the players that play the game! They of course agree with this change and possibly are the ones that asked for it. They obviously think everything is to easy because they are top players and play with other top players! I would like to see them pug harder content where they are not getting all of there precious buffs and awesome dps then we will see how they feel!They nerfed magsorcs so hard stamsorcs felt it,lol - Somber97866
I'm blown away by the utter stupidity I see here on the daily. - Wrekkedd9 -
Domander✭✭✭✭✭
✭Shad0wfire99 wrote: »Looks like the PvP'ers usual QQ'ing worked again.
maybe it was the trial bosses complaining that players have way too easy a time managing resources... when they made the change with elemental drain to magicka steal, this was the reasoning.
To those that think it makes heavy armor stronger..... I disagree. Light and medium have cost reduction. I think if they do away with the cost reduction champion points it will make them a little more favorable.
I think the regen reduction will be niche though, and only useful in pvp like befoul.Edited by Domander on March 20, 2017 10:51PM0 -
Shanjijri✭✭✭✭president.rassilonb14_ESO wrote: »Why not just do it this way....
Under Tower:
Magician = Reduce Magicka costs when wearing (Light armor (5 Pieces))
Warlord = Reduce Stamina costs when wearing (Medium Armor (5 Pieces))
New one:
Resolve: Reduce Damage when wearing (Heavy Armor (5 Pieces))
That way every armor type gets a bonus to where they need. Magicka reduction for wearing 5 Light armor, Stamina costs reduction for wearing 5 medium armor and damage reduction when wearing 5 heavy armor (which gets rid of the problem with cost reductions with heavy armor focus and still leaves 16% reduction to cost for stamina and magicka with the appropriate armor.
Leave Sprinter and Bashing focus there giving a total of 5 options for points and balance the game.
I like your idea.2 -
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✭✭✭Nelson_Rebel wrote: »This thread has 28k views, still no word from devs. Gj ZOS, you beat the record in ignoring player base.
Apparently they mentioned it on eso live but did not go into detail explaining the real reasoning. We'll have to wait for an official announcement but they are certainly aware of this thread at this point
They actually explained the reasoning in depth. It was never intended that players should be able to only wear damage sets without giving any thought to sustain. With the constant increase in available cost reduction and regen CP this issue became more and more prevalent. They want the overall damage ceiling in PvE to drop significantly to emphasize mechanics as well as cooperative group play and accessibility and explicitly stated they don't want this game to be a competition of who can slot most damage sets and then mash his buttons fastest.
So all this talk about 40K DPS *** of finger-breaking keyboard hacking in "BiS" pure damage gear is exactly what they want to erase from this game.
Making space for well rounded and balanced approaches to character builds.
So basically bb hard mode rakkat.
They made this game all about damage, and not they take it away, absolute crap.
They can simply adjust PvE mechanics accordingly, though I seriously doubt the necessity.
They failed to adjust PvE mechanics in the past, why should they want to adjust them now?Vaerah, Dark Elf Magicka Sorceress
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Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »joaaocaampos wrote: »I'll just say one thing:
STOP WHINING!
This is not whining, this is complaining, keep in mind that only the people who complain change things, sometimes for the worst sometimes for the best.
People seem to forget that the word whining isn't a synonym of complaining, whining is high pitched moaning, the ones that babies do, it doesn't have anything to do with criticism, especially if the concerns are real and the argument is well put.
People have voiced they're opinion on this and it's mostly negative.
No not true. Many people have spoke up about liking this change. There might be more comments against the change, but that is because many of the same people keep saying the same thing over and over again. Additionally, this thread does not give all the opinions of what most people think so you can't say the response to this change is mostly negative. This thread is filled with the same people saying the same thing over again with new people who comment on thread. Many of us for the change have stopped commenting because we have said our piece.This thread has 28k views, still no word from devs. Gj ZOS, you beat the record in ignoring player base.
This forum is not a q&a. It was not initiated by the devs and they have no obligation to respond to it.
That said, if you think it was not noticed you would be crazy.
I mean what response do you want. O hey guys we saw this thread???? They are still working on the update and they don't know what they are going to do completely yet. Say they see the concern?? Well many of us like it also so maybe they could say we like that you guys like it?? They can't win by responding. Either they lose because one side is upset to it staying or going, or they say something that just says they saw thread and they get torn apart for leaving it at that.
Get a grip it will be fine.
1. Most people I've seen in this thread have reacted negatively to the change. If you'd like to do a experiment, I urge you. Go into game, during primetime hours, and ask people what they think of the change in several different zones and start tallying reactions.
1A. GIVE THEM THE FULL STORY, OR IT DOES NOT COUNT. I dont trust you not to lie to pad the results.
Of course you wont, because your more concerned with crushing dissent and discussion you think dosent need to be happening, but it's a thought. Put your money where your mouth is.
2. No. The Devs have no obligation to respond to any of it. However, this 'lack of obligation' does not mean they should not. The devs have the ability to take things into their own hands, try to communicate the changes, and possibly put this issue to bed before it even hits PTS.
But they dont. They've likely allready decided the change, which is why it really does not matter if they noticed or not. It's going through.
3. The people I see going on about how this change is great are either sarcastic, or allready well off. This is a class war. The people lawding for the change are the same people yelling incessantly for this game to be harder when they need to go play darksouls again. These people who will never be satisfied, who's happiness come at the cost of ours. Forgive me if I dont think very highly of these greedy people.
I dont have faith it'll be fine. I have faith it'll either be the death of, or a step in the direction of the death of, this game. Spurred on by people who allready raid at the endgame level, or people like Alcast who cant understand the myriad of differences between what this game was a year ago, and what it is now. The ill informed and gullable, and the greedy and manipulative.
Well, I know "the full story" such as that is when the devs are not communicating with us.
I don't think it's a good change, though for different reasons than you.
I DO the CP system at the moment is too rewarding for cp600+ people. I think with 100 warlord and 100 Mooncalf we have too much cost reduction and sustain, which combine to make DPS PVE builds, in particular, over powered. Because sustain is so easy right now, we ARE slotting only damage sets and hitting very high DPS parses over long fights.
I do not use BiS gear, my gear is not gold, I do not run Vet trials, though I am at the CP cap.
What I DO think should happen is that Warlord and Mooncalf should remain unchanged, but Arcanist and Magician should be swapped for Mighty and Piercing.
Put all the stamina regen and stamina dps in the Thief.
Put all the Magicka regen and damage in The Mage.
This would force people to make decisions between damage or sustain. This would allow people to balance their build to complement their set choices.
Hell, this would even allow people to play around with hybrid builds properly.
I don't disagree with what ZoS are attempting to do.
I disagree with how they have chosen to do it.
I see you have precisely no comprehension of what's wrong with those changes in the current climate. Oh well.
As for the -proposed- changes, that wouldn't be too bad. Though at that point, I'd say just do a stat crunch and lower costs but remove the CP bonuses alltogether. Honestly, the game needs retooled, but this would be a good -transitionary- compromise.Edited by Doctordarkspawn on March 21, 2017 8:15PM0 -
Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭bowmanz607 wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »joaaocaampos wrote: »I'll just say one thing:
STOP WHINING!
This is not whining, this is complaining, keep in mind that only the people who complain change things, sometimes for the worst sometimes for the best.
People seem to forget that the word whining isn't a synonym of complaining, whining is high pitched moaning, the ones that babies do, it doesn't have anything to do with criticism, especially if the concerns are real and the argument is well put.
People have voiced they're opinion on this and it's mostly negative.
No not true. Many people have spoke up about liking this change. There might be more comments against the change, but that is because many of the same people keep saying the same thing over and over again. Additionally, this thread does not give all the opinions of what most people think so you can't say the response to this change is mostly negative. This thread is filled with the same people saying the same thing over again with new people who comment on thread. Many of us for the change have stopped commenting because we have said our piece.This thread has 28k views, still no word from devs. Gj ZOS, you beat the record in ignoring player base.
This forum is not a q&a. It was not initiated by the devs and they have no obligation to respond to it.
That said, if you think it was not noticed you would be crazy.
I mean what response do you want. O hey guys we saw this thread???? They are still working on the update and they don't know what they are going to do completely yet. Say they see the concern?? Well many of us like it also so maybe they could say we like that you guys like it?? They can't win by responding. Either they lose because one side is upset to it staying or going, or they say something that just says they saw thread and they get torn apart for leaving it at that.
Get a grip it will be fine.
1. Most people I've seen in this thread have reacted negatively to the change. If you'd like to do a experiment, I urge you. Go into game, during primetime hours, and ask people what they think of the change in several different zones and start tallying reactions.
1A. GIVE THEM THE FULL STORY, OR IT DOES NOT COUNT. I dont trust you not to lie to pad the results.
Of course you wont, because your more concerned with crushing dissent and discussion you think dosent need to be happening, but it's a thought. Put your money where your mouth is.
2. No. The Devs have no obligation to respond to any of it. However, this 'lack of obligation' does not mean they should not. The devs have the ability to take things into their own hands, try to communicate the changes, and possibly put this issue to bed before it even hits PTS.
But they dont. They've likely allready decided the change, which is why it really does not matter if they noticed or not. It's going through.
3. The people I see going on about how this change is great are either sarcastic, or allready well off. This is a class war. The people lawding for the change are the same people yelling incessantly for this game to be harder when they need to go play darksouls again. These people who will never be satisfied, who's happiness come at the cost of ours. Forgive me if I dont think very highly of these greedy people.
I dont have faith it'll be fine. I have faith it'll either be the death of, or a step in the direction of the death of, this game. Spurred on by people who allready raid at the endgame level, or people like Alcast who cant understand the myriad of differences between what this game was a year ago, and what it is now. The ill informed and gullable, and the greedy and manipulative.
You know how many changes this game has gone through since launch in which people said, if this change goes through I will quit and the game will be dead????? Been happening since launch bro. Sure some will leave, some will come back and we all move on. The game will not die because of this. People just like to yell about how the game will die etc etc because they think it helps their argument as to why the change should not go theough.
You lost me at bro.
And thank god you dont have authority over how much I get to voice my Opinion. Because I shall continue to do so.5 -
magictucktuck✭✭✭✭✭From a PvP perspective I'm happy. Now it will be a choice for people to build to sustain or for a glass cannon type build. also even though heavy armor has constitution then can no longer spam skills while spamming block. Its a nerf to all and will hopefully bring back some enjoyable PvP instead of perma blocking trolls everywhere.
Im sure they are thinking about doing this because not one will step in a battle ground when all 12 people stand there and hold block and spam AOEs and heals.
as a DPS i can run a heavy armor build out of stam now if i can outlast him, there will be some skill and strategy and theory crafting involved again. I HOPE, i could be wrong.0 -
Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭magictucktuck wrote: »From a PvP perspective I'm happy. Now it will be a choice for people to build to sustain or for a glass cannon type build. also even though heavy armor has constitution then can no longer spam skills while spamming block. Its a nerf to all and will hopefully bring back some enjoyable PvP instead of perma blocking trolls everywhere.
Im sure they are thinking about doing this because not one will step in a battle ground when all 12 people stand there and hold block and spam AOEs and heals.
as a DPS i can run a heavy armor build out of stam now if i can outlast him, there will be some skill and strategy and theory crafting involved again. I HOPE, i could be wrong.
And PVE gets to suffer for that. Like allways.
Gooooooood for yooooooooooou.8 -
Callous2208✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Soo is this change basically saying pick the right race and class out of the two or so choices, or keep your ass in faceroll questing content? I don't want to retire my nord stamplar just yet.6 -
sneakymitchell✭✭✭✭I do like the presice strikes is only for damage abilities. At least I won't complain about those two hander gods that use rally and vigor. And they can pull off high burst damage.NA-Xbox one- Ebonheart Pact- Nord Tank DK
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Aeolwind✭✭✭If there is no compensation to the base cost of all abilities, this is the dumbest change since Greedo shoots first.
You're reducing the list of races that are viable for certain classes. You're artificially increasing the difficulty of old hat content for new players (VMA, vDSA, Trials, ROM, COS). And you've managed to have a 25 page thread created informing you of how bad an idea this is.
I struggle beating VMA with under 100 deaths; I'm a way better healer than I am a DPS, so this isn't the most exciting news.
I was kinda excited for Morrowind. Now, not so much. You had a good thing going with this One Tamriel thing and now you're trying real hard to muck that up lol11 -
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✭bowmanz607 wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »joaaocaampos wrote: »I'll just say one thing:
STOP WHINING!
This is not whining, this is complaining, keep in mind that only the people who complain change things, sometimes for the worst sometimes for the best.
People seem to forget that the word whining isn't a synonym of complaining, whining is high pitched moaning, the ones that babies do, it doesn't have anything to do with criticism, especially if the concerns are real and the argument is well put.
People have voiced they're opinion on this and it's mostly negative.
No not true. Many people have spoke up about liking this change. There might be more comments against the change, but that is because many of the same people keep saying the same thing over and over again. Additionally, this thread does not give all the opinions of what most people think so you can't say the response to this change is mostly negative. This thread is filled with the same people saying the same thing over again with new people who comment on thread. Many of us for the change have stopped commenting because we have said our piece.This thread has 28k views, still no word from devs. Gj ZOS, you beat the record in ignoring player base.
This forum is not a q&a. It was not initiated by the devs and they have no obligation to respond to it.
That said, if you think it was not noticed you would be crazy.
I mean what response do you want. O hey guys we saw this thread???? They are still working on the update and they don't know what they are going to do completely yet. Say they see the concern?? Well many of us like it also so maybe they could say we like that you guys like it?? They can't win by responding. Either they lose because one side is upset to it staying or going, or they say something that just says they saw thread and they get torn apart for leaving it at that.
Get a grip it will be fine.
1. Most people I've seen in this thread have reacted negatively to the change. If you'd like to do a experiment, I urge you. Go into game, during primetime hours, and ask people what they think of the change in several different zones and start tallying reactions.
1A. GIVE THEM THE FULL STORY, OR IT DOES NOT COUNT. I dont trust you not to lie to pad the results.
Of course you wont, because your more concerned with crushing dissent and discussion you think dosent need to be happening, but it's a thought. Put your money where your mouth is.
2. No. The Devs have no obligation to respond to any of it. However, this 'lack of obligation' does not mean they should not. The devs have the ability to take things into their own hands, try to communicate the changes, and possibly put this issue to bed before it even hits PTS.
But they dont. They've likely allready decided the change, which is why it really does not matter if they noticed or not. It's going through.
3. The people I see going on about how this change is great are either sarcastic, or allready well off. This is a class war. The people lawding for the change are the same people yelling incessantly for this game to be harder when they need to go play darksouls again. These people who will never be satisfied, who's happiness come at the cost of ours. Forgive me if I dont think very highly of these greedy people.
I dont have faith it'll be fine. I have faith it'll either be the death of, or a step in the direction of the death of, this game. Spurred on by people who allready raid at the endgame level, or people like Alcast who cant understand the myriad of differences between what this game was a year ago, and what it is now. The ill informed and gullable, and the greedy and manipulative.
You know how many changes this game has gone through since launch in which people said, if this change goes through I will quit and the game will be dead????? Been happening since launch bro. Sure some will leave, some will come back and we all move on. The game will not die because of this. People just like to yell about how the game will die etc etc because they think it helps their argument as to why the change should not go theough.
Here's the thing though, many, many, many people actually have quit. Yeh yeh yeh I get it, new and returning players blah blah blah.
Here's a secret: That tapers down evententually. Either due to a new eldersdrolls game, or just this game getting a bad rep.Edited by Ep1kMalware on March 22, 2017 4:04AM3 -
Witar✭✭✭✭✭Hope that meteor vivec is holding will drop on the guy\s who came up with this horrible idea. Just plain bad for everyone.Edited by Witar on March 22, 2017 10:13AMIt cannot be seen, cannot be felt,
Cannot be heard, cannot be smelt,
It lies behind stars and under hills,
And empty holes it fills,
It comes first and follows after,
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✭✭✭✭✭adriant1978 wrote: »Already a thread going on about this in the Alliance War forum, but I think maybe it needs to be brought to the wider attention of PvE folks who don't visit there.
Screenshots from PAX East: https://imgur.com/a/KS9mP#rBB48CB (not mine)- Stamina and Magicka cost reduction CP apparently removed
- Mooncalf and Arcanist regen CP reduced to 15% maximum from 25% maximum
- Warlord changed to "Break Free" cost reduction
- Magician replaced by Siphoner, which reduces target's regen (health, magicka & stamina) when hit by light/heavy attacks
Maybe ZOS wants to have more people in PvP to actually use other armour than heavy ? Right now with current CP and proper mundus you will almost never run out of magicka / stamina... even if you have 7 pcs heavy with impenetrable trait.
So for PvP that might be "double edged sword" - good/bad solution.
On one hand DPS will do even more DPS... but on the other hand players will become more "squishy". Battles in PvP will become shorter. And there will be no more situation (or significantly less) where 20 players is chasing one tank and can't kill him...
We are also facing this problem again: 90% of eso players are PvE players... So balancing out PvP will have an affect on PvE again. I am really curious why ZOS don't treat PvP separate from PvE. They have proven that balancing both can be possible.
For example NB skill "Teleport Strike" has different affect on players and different on NPC:
"If the target is a player, they are briefly snared instead of stunned."
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Teleport+StrikeEdited by Tommy_The_Gun on March 22, 2017 10:30AM0 -
dreddurius✭✭✭Just remove every single element that involves player stats in the game. I guess that's the only way ZOS will satisfy their odd fetish.CAN I HAZ UR STUFF?0 -
Ep1kMalware✭✭✭✭✭
✭If there is no compensation to the base cost of all abilities, this is the dumbest change since Greedo shoots first.
You're reducing the list of races that are viable for certain classes. You're artificially increasing the difficulty of old hat content for new players (VMA, vDSA, Trials, ROM, COS). And you've managed to have a 25 page thread created informing you of how bad an idea this is.
I struggle beating VMA with under 100 deaths; I'm a way better healer than I am a DPS, so this isn't the most exciting news.
I was kinda excited for Morrowind. Now, not so much. You had a good thing going with this One Tamriel thing and now you're trying real hard to muck that up lol
I was too, now I'm paranoid of the new trial and cp adjustments. My stam templar is a bosmer, not a redguard. I'm not giving zos money for a race change either. Knowing how zos likes to half implement balance changes they'll do nothing at all about the fact that they increased base skill costs when you gain cp in the first place. Making it absolutely hurt to lvl up.
Fortunately I got the gear and experience I need to do vma on a not redguard stam templar, but I'm not liking the idea of getting nerfed the same time endgame content drops.
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