People who Say VMA shouldnt be nerfed

GawdSB · March 2017

While we'r nerfing VMA could ZOS please change the whole stage 7 thing where the final boss starts his move before being enraged then you kill the mage and he one shots you? Kthnx

Olupajmibanan · March 2017

GawdSB wrote: »

While we'r nerfing VMA could ZOS please change the whole stage 7 thing where the final boss starts his move before being enraged then you kill the mage and he one shots you? Kthnx

So much this.
And poisonous plant spawning under blue protective bubble.

Whole vMA is easy once you learn and remember everything needed. Except Stage 7, because even experience can't beat RNG.

myven · March 2017

I love vMA and its difficult to complete. I am at stage 5 at the moment and I am working on to better my gear before going back, but I am going to complete it. I don't care about having the best weapon for my sorc but I do want the title "Stormproof" because it's awesome and it's rare. If Zos were to nerd the trial this wouldn't be the case anymore and I wouldn't care about it. Ofc it would be really nice to have Maelstrom Sharpened staff but it's not required to play all the content I like to play. Do not nerf it, would ruin my progression and my goal to finally complete it. I think even they should add more of these kinda trials for end game which can be done solo, maybe for Jewelry or something. Would be great. Give me something work on, reason for me to get better at my class and have fun. It's not for everyone, but end game isn't for everyone, not in any MMO I've played. But there is plenty of cool things to do for everyone in this game, so don't be sad you don't complete this trial, you are not alone.

Rataroto · March 2017

Horowonnoe wrote: »

swaggerific wrote: »

I will never understand your viewpoint. I was able to do the first two stages through a bit of struggle but the third stage is absolutely unreal, definitely needs a nerf. It is unbelievably difficult. Died like 30 times and I couldnt even beat the first round. I dont understand how it is even possible, I am dying from the most random things. the first two were fun difficult, i died several times but enjoyed my time. the 3rd stage is just unreal, 100% needs a nerf.

Absolutely not!
The first time is always the hardest. Just keep at it and you will win.
If you want to know how it is possible to beat vma, there are TONS of videos and lots of guides out there that do a great job of explaining it. A good guide here where the author explains every arena step by step, even more than necessary. Give it a shot. Look at the in depth guide.

Horrow, oh Horrow, petting the pugs eh? just so they join your army >.> , tsc tsc tsc.

Anyway, it really is harder at first man, but in time you'll get there. [snip] Just remember this: Either vMA grows on you and you grow on it, or you're done. You don't quit vMA, vMA quits you :P
[edited for baiting]

Horowonnoe · March 2017

Rataroto wrote: »

Horowonnoe wrote: »

swaggerific wrote: »

I will never understand your viewpoint. I was able to do the first two stages through a bit of struggle but the third stage is absolutely unreal, definitely needs a nerf. It is unbelievably difficult. Died like 30 times and I couldnt even beat the first round. I dont understand how it is even possible, I am dying from the most random things. the first two were fun difficult, i died several times but enjoyed my time. the 3rd stage is just unreal, 100% needs a nerf.

Absolutely not!
The first time is always the hardest. Just keep at it and you will win.
If you want to know how it is possible to beat vma, there are TONS of videos and lots of guides out there that do a great job of explaining it. A good guide here where the author explains every arena step by step, even more than necessary. Give it a shot. Look at the in depth guide.

Horrow, oh Horrow, petting the pugs eh? just so they join your army >.> , tsc tsc tsc.

Anyway, it really is harder at first man, but in time you'll get there. [snip] Just remember this: Either vMA grows on you and you grow on it, or you're done. You don't quit vMA, vMA quits you :P

Lol Rat, you are my pug.
[edited to remove quote]

xblackroxe · March 2017

Didgerion wrote: »

VMA difficulty needs to be addressed.

And here is why:

1. Easy mode - does not drop VMA weapons and drops mostly VR150 gear.
2. Hard mode - is very very hard for some players, even experienced ones - and very easy for the other players that has the right class and the right build for it and of course some skill.
3. It creates a big gap in PVP - strong players are getting even stronger with VMA weapons while average players remain weak.

In short - VMA brings an unfair advantage to the players that are already strong (pvp wise - as the weapons are not best in slot for pve).

Hate to break it to you but if you cant beat vma then you weren't even an okay pvper to begin with.
And if you honestly think that you are suddenly are goona be good just because you now can run the exact same setup just with 189 spelldamage more then there is nothing anybody can do to help you.

SHADOW2KK · March 2017

xblackroxe wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

VMA difficulty needs to be addressed.

And here is why:

1. Easy mode - does not drop VMA weapons and drops mostly VR150 gear.
2. Hard mode - is very very hard for some players, even experienced ones - and very easy for the other players that has the right class and the right build for it and of course some skill.
3. It creates a big gap in PVP - strong players are getting even stronger with VMA weapons while average players remain weak.

In short - VMA brings an unfair advantage to the players that are already strong (pvp wise - as the weapons are not best in slot for pve).

Hate to break it to you but if you cant beat vma then you weren't even an okay pvper to begin with.
And if you honestly think that you are suddenly are goona be good just because you now can run the exact same setup just with 189 spelldamage more then there is nothing anybody can do to help you.

QFT

Therwind · March 2017

xblackroxe wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

VMA difficulty needs to be addressed.

And here is why:

1. Easy mode - does not drop VMA weapons and drops mostly VR150 gear.
2. Hard mode - is very very hard for some players, even experienced ones - and very easy for the other players that has the right class and the right build for it and of course some skill.
3. It creates a big gap in PVP - strong players are getting even stronger with VMA weapons while average players remain weak.

In short - VMA brings an unfair advantage to the players that are already strong (pvp wise - as the weapons are not best in slot for pve).

Hate to break it to you but if you cant beat vma then you weren't even an okay pvper to begin with.
And if you honestly think that you are suddenly are goona be good just because you now can run the exact same setup just with 189 spelldamage more then there is nothing anybody can do to help you.

I clear VMA at my convince, but Iam god awful at PVP. PVP is not even close to the same type of gameplay.

xblackroxe · March 2017

Therwind wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

VMA difficulty needs to be addressed.

And here is why:

1. Easy mode - does not drop VMA weapons and drops mostly VR150 gear.
2. Hard mode - is very very hard for some players, even experienced ones - and very easy for the other players that has the right class and the right build for it and of course some skill.
3. It creates a big gap in PVP - strong players are getting even stronger with VMA weapons while average players remain weak.

In short - VMA brings an unfair advantage to the players that are already strong (pvp wise - as the weapons are not best in slot for pve).

Hate to break it to you but if you cant beat vma then you weren't even an okay pvper to begin with.
And if you honestly think that you are suddenly are goona be good just because you now can run the exact same setup just with 189 spelldamage more then there is nothing anybody can do to help you.

I clear VMA at my convince, but Iam god awful at PVP. PVP is not even close to the same type of gameplay.

Did I say if you can clear vma you are a good pvper or did i say if you can't clear vma then you cant be a good pvper?

Small tipp its #2 and that doesn't imply #1.

And thats totally the case. If you can't even keep yourself alive while doing damage in a controlled environment then you surely wont be able to do that in pvp either.

xblackroxe · March 2017

Therwind wrote: »

[snip]

Why not?
You have to survive on your own while killing stuff without help of other people. So basics are the same. VMA is just controlled, meaning you will know what happens when.
Ofc there are big differences but if cant deal with a controlled environment where you have to sustain survive and deal damage all by yourself how could you do the same thing in cyro where you can be ambushed any time have to deal with different people that all have unique ways to play?

Thats all I was trying to say. And the main point of my first post was that vma weapons won't suddenly make you kill people if you couldn't do that before already. AKA no must have.

[edited to remove quote]

BloodMagicLord · March 2017

When I first started vma I thought it was impossible. Must've died about 200 times on the final boss alone.
"How can anyone possibly clear this with no deaths?" Was pretty much my thoughts.
Like others have said, once you learn the mechanics, spawns and abilities of each enemy, it starts to become much easier. I don't have flawless yet, but only 9 deaths last time so I think i'm getting close.

Don't be afraid to use sigils. Defensive and healing sigils especially are amazing to get through hard parts. Unless you're going for leaderboards, there is no reason not to use them.

Alcast · March 2017

Mealstrom is about half as difficult as it was at the beginning. It does not need more nerfing.

I am working on guides aimed at people with 300 CP and gear that is all craftable. I will start adding Builds for each setup stamina/magicka on my website

http://alcasthq.com/

MokiDono · March 2017

Don't worry guys... they gonna introduce the token system, and this game will be the best MMO of the decade... and all the vma salt will dissolve into happiness.

Akeran · March 2017

Did Vma already get nerfed and did I hear that the vma staves are getting nerfed too? Is this correct? Freakin ridiculous.

Danksta · March 2017

Akeran wrote: »

Did Vma already get nerfed and did I hear that the vma staves are getting nerfed too? Is this correct? Freakin ridiculous.

vMA got nerfed shortly after release and gets indirectly nerfed every time they raise the CP cap. I haven't heard anything about vMA staves being nerfed, but apparently they're not working properly at the moment.

NinthPrince64 · March 2017

Just a couple observations. First, the learning curve on VMA is uniquely intense. I think sometimes people who haven't completed it get frustrated when they hear people who have say it's easy. It isn't/wasn't easy for anyone their first time(s) through.

Second, to the extent completing VMA is an achievement and to the extent people who achieve more in a particular context are typically considered "better" than others in that context, I think some who have not (yet) completed it are frustrated because they consider themselves to be just as good as others who have completed. Completing VMA requires three things: 1) being competent (not necessarily great) at playing your build, 2) a willingness to learn, and most of all 3) persistence. To many people the last requirement (maybe the last two) is not indicative of being good at a game. For them, being able to play their build well is really what being good at a game is all about.

So, I guess my point is that this really isn't about BiS weapons being "locked behind" some unassailable VMA barrier. I suspect most folks realize you don't really need the weapons you get to complete the vast majority of content in the game. It's more that to get the weapons, and therefor be considered a good player, requires something they don't believe is really related to being a good player.

FlyLionel · March 2017

You can run vma in Nmg/hundings/leviathan/hulking/spriggans/tbs/julianos/spellweave with willpower/agility/endurance jewelry and use skoria/grothdar/veli/kragh and still beat the dungeon fine. You just need to put in overtime to learn mechanics, after that you'll just end up dying a handful of times. The best weapons and sets must have some form of high dfficulty..than the RNG comes to ruin the day lol...Seriously gear is not the problem, you can get by with crafted gear and farm a second type in a dungeon. Put in the work and the results will show.

Akeran · March 2017

Danksta wrote: »

Akeran wrote: »

Did Vma already get nerfed and did I hear that the vma staves are getting nerfed too? Is this correct? Freakin ridiculous.

vMA got nerfed shortly after release and gets indirectly nerfed every time they raise the CP cap. I haven't heard anything about vMA staves being nerfed, but apparently they're not working properly at the moment.

Aaah I thought they had fixed the vMA staff enchant issue. I saw it on one of
The fix list from last update. So still broken I guess..?

Danksta · March 2017

Akeran wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

Akeran wrote: »

Did Vma already get nerfed and did I hear that the vma staves are getting nerfed too? Is this correct? Freakin ridiculous.

vMA got nerfed shortly after release and gets indirectly nerfed every time they raise the CP cap. I haven't heard anything about vMA staves being nerfed, but apparently they're not working properly at the moment.

Aaah I thought they had fixed the vMA staff enchant issue. I saw it on one of
The fix list from last update. So still broken I guess..?

The bug is that the enchantments don't stack so it's not useful to run more than one vMA staff in a group. That's my understanding of it.

phreatophile · March 2017

swaggerific wrote: »

I will never understand your viewpoint. I was able to do the first two stages through a bit of struggle but the third stage is absolutely unreal, definitely needs a nerf. It is unbelievably difficult. Died like 30 times and I couldnt even beat the first round. I dont understand how it is even possible, I am dying from the most random things. the first two were fun difficult, i died several times but enjoyed my time. the 3rd stage is just unreal, 100% needs a nerf.

VMA is crap. With an incredible amount of time wasted on repetition, it is eventually doable. Muscle memory and quick fingers. Do it again and again and again ad nauseam, ad mortem until muscle memory makes it possible. I know a lot of people actually enjoy it, and a lot more tolerate it because they have to have that weapon, which will drop someday, really it will...Maybe.

Any stage can be a real bugger when lag in a solo instance (NO EXCUSE for that) starts making your damage taken only tangentially related to where your screen is telling you your character is. I love getting one shot by the two-hander in stage 3 when I am on the far side of a different island from the enemy, which is a far away as one can get without standing in the stupid, and 4 or 5 times the range that the weapon is supposed to have.

GrigorijMalahevich · March 2017

Haha at people asking for a nerf...
Youtube has million videos of people doing flawless runs. [snip]
[edited for baiting]

SaRuZ · March 2017

I have tried a cpl builds and still can't do it. I am not calling for a nerf, just saying how insane it is for me and I am not new to gaming. I tried at 360 with my stamsorc, made it to the Blood Rink, became impossible for me. Tried again at 400, couldn't make it past seht's flywheel boss. Respecced to magsorc and tried as a petsorc build earlier at 450, made it to seht's again, kept dying. Got rid of pets and used a powered overload build, beat sehts and once again, got stuck on frozen rink. I farmed nMA for Winterborn, maybe that made me lazy

WarpigFunk · March 2017

SaRuZ wrote: »

I have tried a cpl builds and still can't do it. I am not calling for a nerf, just saying how insane it is for me and I am not new to gaming. I tried at 360 with my stamsorc, made it to the Blood Rink, became impossible for me. Tried again at 400, couldn't make it past seht's flywheel boss. Respecced to magsorc and tried as a petsorc build earlier at 450, made it to seht's again, kept dying. Got rid of pets and used a powered overload build, beat sehts and once again, got stuck on frozen rink. I farmed nMA for Winterborn, maybe that made me lazy

Your problem is not your build or class - but rather that you keep quitting.
You have to really commit.

RinaldoGandolphi · March 2017

I won't say it needs nerfed

it does need to be changed to a two man arena with mobs and bosses slightly spiked in difficulty.

this is an MMO not a single player game.

I have many VMA completions, some good weapons too. I never enjoyed beating the arena though, even with good scores back in the day.

BNOC · March 2017

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

it does need to be changed to a two man arena with mobs and bosses slightly spiked in difficulty.

this is an MMO not a single player game.

No it doesn't, it's way too small for that - People would be doing 15 minute completes, what would be the point.

Upright_man · March 2017

BNOC wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

it does need to be changed to a two man arena with mobs and bosses slightly spiked in difficulty.

this is an MMO not a single player game.

No it doesn't, it's way too small for that - People would be doing 15 minute completes, what would be the point.

I'd much prefer they make another arena for 2 people. Harder than vMA so it generates even more tears and a bigger sense of achievement when you finally get through it with your friend.

Lukums1 · March 2017

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

GawdSB wrote: »

While we'r nerfing VMA could ZOS please change the whole stage 7 thing where the final boss starts his move before being enraged then you kill the mage and he one shots you? Kthnx

So much this.
And poisonous plant spawning under blue protective bubble.

Whole vMA is easy once you learn and remember everything needed. Except Stage 7, because even experience can't beat RNG.

There isn't any RNG...

Does no one read my posts these days LOL.

If you nuke mage BEFORE the 7 boss stomps he enrages and kills you as his FRIEND has died. So if you wait literally 2 seconds before going hand you can avoid this "enrage RNG"

Also you can take 1 step into either clense pool with the boss slightly positioned around and you NEVER have to move EVER you have zero chance in getting flowered I have 100 videos on my twitch page showing this.

The above is also in my version 2 guide...

Round 7 has got nothing to do with RNG, it's about situational awareness and using the environmental "save points" to your advantage.

I look forward for someone telling me I'm wrong.

Luke

NinthPrince64 · March 2017

Lukums1 wrote: »

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

GawdSB wrote: »

While we'r nerfing VMA could ZOS please change the whole stage 7 thing where the final boss starts his move before being enraged then you kill the mage and he one shots you? Kthnx

So much this.
And poisonous plant spawning under blue protective bubble.

Whole vMA is easy once you learn and remember everything needed. Except Stage 7, because even experience can't beat RNG.

There isn't any RNG...

Does no one read my posts these days LOL.

If you nuke mage BEFORE the 7 boss stomps he enrages and kills you as his FRIEND has died. So if you wait literally 2 seconds before going hand you can avoid this "enrage RNG"

Also you can take 1 step into either clense pool with the boss slightly positioned around and you NEVER have to move EVER you have zero chance in getting flowered I have 100 videos on my twitch page showing this.

The above is also in my version 2 guide...

Round 7 has got nothing to do with RNG, it's about situational awareness and using the environmental "save points" to your advantage.

I look forward for someone telling me I'm wrong.

Luke

@Lukums1 wow, I think I just had another "moment of clarity" thanks to your input. Please tell me if I have this right.

In your written VMA guide you say that you need to wait to kill the first minder until after the boss does his stomp. If you do that, then the scream the boss does after you kill the first minder will NOT be a one shot, but will be around 7-10K. The point being that if, in fact, there is a poison node "under the bubble" of the second minder you do NOT have to step under the bubble (so long as you can absorb the 7-10K hit). So, waiting to kill the first minder until after the boss does his stomp removes the RNG of "poison under the bubble" completely. Is that correct?

Lukums1 · March 2017

NinthPrince64 wrote: »

Lukums1 wrote: »

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

GawdSB wrote: »

While we'r nerfing VMA could ZOS please change the whole stage 7 thing where the final boss starts his move before being enraged then you kill the mage and he one shots you? Kthnx

So much this.
And poisonous plant spawning under blue protective bubble.

Whole vMA is easy once you learn and remember everything needed. Except Stage 7, because even experience can't beat RNG.

There isn't any RNG...

Does no one read my posts these days LOL.

If you nuke mage BEFORE the 7 boss stomps he enrages and kills you as his FRIEND has died. So if you wait literally 2 seconds before going hand you can avoid this "enrage RNG"

Also you can take 1 step into either clense pool with the boss slightly positioned around and you NEVER have to move EVER you have zero chance in getting flowered I have 100 videos on my twitch page showing this.

The above is also in my version 2 guide...

Round 7 has got nothing to do with RNG, it's about situational awareness and using the environmental "save points" to your advantage.

I look forward for someone telling me I'm wrong.

Luke

@Lukums1 wow, I think I just had another "moment of clarity" thanks to your input. Please tell me if I have this right.

In your written VMA guide you say that you need to wait to kill the first minder until after the boss does his stomp. If you do that, then the scream the boss does after you kill the first minder will NOT be a one shot, but will be around 7-10K. The point being that if, in fact, there is a poison node "under the bubble" of the second minder you do NOT have to step under the bubble (so long as you can absorb the 7-10K hit). So, waiting to kill the first minder until after the boss does his stomp removes the RNG of "poison under the bubble" completely. Is that correct?

Good happy to teach.

1. You wait for the stomp before you engage which will save most people getting past that enrage tactic.
2. The line aoe will be the 7k-10k you mention but honestly can be avoided at range.
3. Once you kill the add and go to the bubble there is still a very slight possibility that the flower will be within that bubble BUT the difference is after the first lot of adds go to the clense pool 1 foot in keeping boss on the sides and you'll never ever get flowered.

So unfortunately you still have a real chance of getting flower/bubble BUT the chance is super LOW. Especially if you wait the 2 seconds before you kill the 1 minder go to the bubble with scream (unlikely to be flowered) IF! the summoner spores hasn't yet spawned which generally triggers new flower locations is what generally happens while you're in bubble.

Luke