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AP trading in Cyrodiil

  • out51d3r
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    Turelus wrote: »

    I don't think there should be action taken against people, but I do think ZOS should have stepped in a week ago with a patch to revert the changes until a better system could be put in place.

    I can definitely agree on faster patching. :)
  • Apokalypt
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    There is no need to do anything against them, because the AD no lifers are already taking everything, at least on Haderus. So no chance to do ap trading.
  • out51d3r
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    Apokalypt wrote: »
    There is no need to do anything against them, because the AD no lifers are already taking everything, at least on Haderus. So no chance to do ap trading.

    Yeah, this is the main reason I don't consider this to be a huge deal. We are pvpers, and this is a problem with a pvp solution. Get a group together and curbstomp these scrubs.
  • d3dbi4
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    Apokalypt wrote: »
    There is no need to do anything against them, because the AD no lifers are already taking everything, at least on Haderus. So no chance to do ap trading.

    Ah, poor purple exploiters, evil AD do not allow to trade AP. But they've all still have to go to sleep or work and your time will come
    Edited by d3dbi4 on February 28, 2017 7:35AM
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  • KaiDynasty
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    People that used double mundus complain people that swap flags now, this is hilarious
  • pjwb16_ESO
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    Arjuska wrote: »
    They should make the achievement Grand Overlord of Bleakers. I'm still surprised how many people will take advantage of cheesy stuff :(

    Id like that a lot tbh, always wanted some title that refers to exploiting and that I can wear full of pride <3
    Arthg wrote: »
    Vigilante guilds are needed in all three factions.

    How can ZOS let players take a s*ite on its own game - beats me.

    vigilantes are criminals tho
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    pjwb16_ESO wrote: »
    Arthg wrote: »
    Vigilante guilds are needed in all three factions.

    How can ZOS let players take a s*ite on its own game - beats me.

    vigilantes are criminals tho

    Fair enough, bad wording then I guess.
    I meant guilds disrupting the AP-leeching AFKers as in the OP's video.
    Nothing "illegal" or against the rules and spirit of the game in doing that.

    ZOS could maybe create another campaign for PvB (players vs. Bleakers), with their own BS ranks and titles.

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  • pjwb16_ESO
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    Arthg wrote: »
    pjwb16_ESO wrote: »
    Arthg wrote: »
    Vigilante guilds are needed in all three factions.

    How can ZOS let players take a s*ite on its own game - beats me.

    vigilantes are criminals tho

    Fair enough, bad wording then I guess.
    I meant guilds disrupting the AP-leeching AFKers as in the OP's video.
    Nothing "illegal" or against the rules and spirit of the game in doing that.

    ZOS could maybe create another campaign for PvB (players vs. Bleakers), with their own BS ranks and titles.

    Mockporal
    Detergeant
    Lewd tenant
    Faptain
    Moltonel (a loo roll brand in France)
    Legrat
    Fapatine
    Tosserlord


    lol id like that always wanted a rank that reflects my pride, id propose master of bleakers, master of sejanus and master of nikel too tho mockporal is great
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  • Turelus
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    KaiDynasty wrote: »
    People that used double mundus complain people that swap flags now, this is hilarious

    I have constantly found that hypocrisy is rampant with exploiters in this game.

    Knowing people who farmed the bugged boss mobs for wax who would then enter cyrodiil and complain about mundus exploits and how all exploiters should be banned.
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  • Wonky_Jr
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    Is this just a PC problem? I'm on Xbox Eu and don't see this in BWB or am I just to stupid to not notice.
  • themdogesbite
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    KaiDynasty wrote: »
    People that used double mundus complain people that swap flags now, this is hilarious

    Yeah the dubble mundus stone didn't completetly screw up the AP economy or ranks that some players spent months getting legit. Not even compareable imo.
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  • pjwb16_ESO
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    well tbh this RP ing is just the same as emperor trading in 2014, coordinating with an enemy faction to benefit... technically there isn't any kind of exploit involved and therefore theoretically exploiting is either worse or better depending on ones view. The thing is as long as nothing will be prosecuted by zenimax it doesn't matter what you do or don't because its possible and has a neglectable influence
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  • themdogesbite
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    pjwb16_ESO wrote: »
    well tbh this RP ing is just the same as emperor trading in 2014, coordinating with an enemy faction to benefit... technically there isn't any kind of exploit involved and therefore theoretically exploiting is either worse or better depending on ones view. The thing is as long as nothing will be prosecuted by zenimax it doesn't matter what you do or don't because its possible and has a neglectable influence

    Emperor trading didn't affect the in game economy, if anyone actually had to feed someone for emp (why would that even be needed if possessing hands) it was small ammounts and not MILLIONS of AP.

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  • Turelus
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    pjwb16_ESO wrote: »
    well tbh this RP ing is just the same as emperor trading in 2014, coordinating with an enemy faction to benefit... technically there isn't any kind of exploit involved and therefore theoretically exploiting is either worse or better depending on ones view. The thing is as long as nothing will be prosecuted by zenimax it doesn't matter what you do or don't because its possible and has a neglectable influence

    Emperor trading didn't affect the in game economy, if anyone actually had to feed someone for emp (why would that even be needed if possessing hands) it was small ammounts and not MILLIONS of AP.

    As someone involved in Emperor trading I can confirm this. It was generally done on dead campaigns and players would need about 50k AP to reach top of the leaderboard, there wasn't any real farming when the feeding happened.
    Edited by Turelus on February 28, 2017 11:40AM
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  • pjwb16_ESO
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    it did still affect the game, since former emp passives where there, leaderboards in pve, etc...
    so basically you're just crying about the inflation of the most useless currency anyways...
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  • Turelus
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    pjwb16_ESO wrote: »
    it did still affect the game, since former emp passives where there, leaderboards in pve, etc...
    so basically you're just crying about the inflation of the most useless currency anyways...
    I can only speak for myself but I am annoyed that ZOS doesn't care about the issues they cause, it's obvious that even if not an exploit this isn't what ZOS intended to happen.

    I've not known an MMO company see something like this and not act with a patch or an announcement before, generally even when something is not a direct exploit but allows for massive gains in this way the company will step in and stop it for the sake of the games economy or integrity.
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  • themdogesbite
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    pjwb16_ESO wrote: »
    it did still affect the game, since former emp passives where there, leaderboards in pve, etc...
    so basically you're just crying about the inflation of the most useless currency anyways...

    No, the former emp passives were honestly such a small ammount it hardly affected anything. The only good passive was the cheaper ultimate. Besides, the passives got removed from the game. If you are going to bait and troll, please atleast put some effort into it and get a little creative.

    Ofcourse it was a useless currency for you, you never had any of it. (That's a bait, btw.)
    Edited by themdogesbite on February 28, 2017 11:51AM
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  • Sashke
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    pjwb16_ESO wrote: »
    it did still affect the game, since former emp passives where there, leaderboards in pve, etc...
    so basically you're just crying about the inflation of the most useless currency anyways...

    why a lot of people spend hours farming it on outposts if it is so useless?
  • olsborg
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    Hello there,

    This post is to let you know that we've felt it necessary to remove the video from the original post. The reason being that naming and shaming is against the Forum Rules. If you wish to report another player please feel free to do so in a support ticket with any evidence you have.

    Thank you for understanding.

    So zos built it like this, and somehow its naming and shaming? Care to elaborate @ZOS_AntonioP
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  • Turelus
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    Sashke wrote: »
    pjwb16_ESO wrote: »
    it did still affect the game, since former emp passives where there, leaderboards in pve, etc...
    so basically you're just crying about the inflation of the most useless currency anyways...

    why a lot of people spend hours farming it on outposts if it is so useless?

    They're not doing it for the AP, but what the AP unlocks via ranks. The currency is especially worthless though.
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  • Sashke
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    Turelus wrote: »

    They're not doing it for the AP, but what the AP unlocks via ranks. The currency is especially worthless though.

    just check prices of akaviri motifs, morag tong items and etc

  • Turelus
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    Sashke wrote: »
    Turelus wrote: »

    They're not doing it for the AP, but what the AP unlocks via ranks. The currency is especially worthless though.

    just check prices of akaviri motifs, morag tong items and etc

    The motifs will tank as soon as people start to cash out though. They had value because AP was harder to obtain, now people can get a page every hour.

    Is Morag Tong one of the ones which can be purchased outright or is it boxed? If it's outright then prices might start to come down as people cash out, if it's box then the RNG might keep it at a good value.
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  • kevlarto_ESO
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    Sashke wrote: »
    What to do pvp players that support fair play and do not do AP trading? - They PvP
    How such players can become the Emperors? - No one cares who is Emp, Emp trading is not new.
    How such players should earn money, if AP is now priceless. - The same way anyone else does.
    Pvp ranks are now also worthless. - They've always been worthless.

    That'll be three dollars and twenty-three cents.

    A vast majority of the PvP population doesn't care about the inter-alliance politics and just logs on to PvP, if somebody is farming AP they don't care. If somebody is trading Emperor, they don't care. I'd go as far to say that around 60-70% simply do not care and just want to have fun PvPing.

    I agree^^ The main reason I pvp is to have fun with my guild, I don't care what is going otherwise I don't care who thinks they at the uberest, I do care when I see cheating and exploiting going on that directly impacts my fun and game play outside that what others do others will do, most of them are robbing themselves of a good game experience for a cheap hollow victory, that no one cares about, so many emp titles in game it's joke from the swapping days, I only care to get to legate for the color. I hope my interest for pvp will pick back up.
    Edited by kevlarto_ESO on February 28, 2017 1:11PM
  • Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO
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    Turelus wrote: »
    Sashke wrote: »
    Turelus wrote: »

    They're not doing it for the AP, but what the AP unlocks via ranks. The currency is especially worthless though.

    just check prices of akaviri motifs, morag tong items and etc

    The motifs will tank as soon as people start to cash out though. They had value because AP was harder to obtain, now people can get a page every hour.

    Is Morag Tong one of the ones which can be purchased outright or is it boxed? If it's outright then prices might start to come down as people cash out, if it's box then the RNG might keep it at a good value.

    The point is that this exploit directly impacts not only pvp progression but also in game economy it doesn't matter what value things will be etc what matters is that without this exploit it would be different.
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  • pjwb16_ESO
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    pjwb16_ESO wrote: »
    it did still affect the game, since former emp passives where there, leaderboards in pve, etc...
    so basically you're just crying about the inflation of the most useless currency anyways...

    No, the former emp passives were honestly such a small ammount it hardly affected anything. The only good passive was the cheaper ultimate. Besides, the passives got removed from the game. If you are going to bait and troll, please atleast put some effort into it and get a little creative.

    Ofcourse it was a useless currency for you, you never had any of it. (That's a bait, btw.)

    well former emp passives were affecting pvp especially for dks and negate bots and for sure in pve, more ults-> higher dps and ye they got removed and since then no emp trading more, guess we should just remove ap or ranks or both to fix this problem or?
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  • Turelus
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    Turelus wrote: »
    Sashke wrote: »
    Turelus wrote: »

    They're not doing it for the AP, but what the AP unlocks via ranks. The currency is especially worthless though.

    just check prices of akaviri motifs, morag tong items and etc

    The motifs will tank as soon as people start to cash out though. They had value because AP was harder to obtain, now people can get a page every hour.

    Is Morag Tong one of the ones which can be purchased outright or is it boxed? If it's outright then prices might start to come down as people cash out, if it's box then the RNG might keep it at a good value.

    The point is that this exploit directly impacts not only pvp progression but also in game economy it doesn't matter what value things will be etc what matters is that without this exploit it would be different.

    Agreed. Which is why I gave ZOS all the information they needed and asked for to stop it. Yet... here we are with double AP rewards.

    Maybe I will get lucky and some of the nice people farming will take pity on me and send me motif pages for free. :tongue:
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