Sorc Shields OP Now?

SaRuZ · February 2017

Hard to kill? Yes. Impossible? No. I have found 1v1ing shield stacking nubs always ends in a victory, they waste their resources just keeping that shield up because one-two hits when it's down and they're dead.

Especially if you're popping immovable & have retreating maneuver on your bar for those rooting magsorcs, they're easy game.

Molydeus · February 2017

People who call for nerfs are suffering from inadequacies.

mmolegends44 · February 2017

@olsborg could be that yeah think your right

Marktoneth3 · February 2017

shield breaker ?

mmolegends44 · February 2017

@Marktoneth3 I seriously think shield breaker is useless when it first came out with the sewers that is when it was great but now I don't think it is anymore

THEDKEXPERIENCE · February 2017

Ever notice the high correlation between people who have to reroll new characters every patch and lack of coherent sentence structure?

Xsorus · February 2017

Its called Pirates

30% defensive bonus that works on shields.

alexkdd99 · February 2017

mmolegends44 wrote: »

funny how people say L2P wtf does that have to do with saying sorc shield is stronger and harder to penetrate from this patch are some of you dumb or what?

Are you? You are saying it takes YOU longer to kill sorcs shields. So people are saying they don't think it is op or takes long, so therefore you need to l2p. Seems pretty simple to me. Funny how you can't comprehend what people are saying and jump to insults.

alexkdd99 · February 2017

SnubbS wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

SnubbS wrote: »

I honestly wish that shields weren't even in the game and everyone had to heal like Stam characters.

Dude stam characters are so easier in pvp what you mean? U can vigor while u dps with vigor healing u for 20k over 5 seconds.

Il take heal over time over shields all day shields

All u gotta do is pop vigor in heavy armor and ur good to go for 10 seconds of dps

When im on magicka character I feel like im fighting with anxiety

I'm not saying it's hard to heal on Stam characters, I'm saying that the style of healing would be better for the game. You get one burst heal that's basically on a 15sec cooldown, a weak HoT, and a strong HoT on demand. You can also be affected by Major/Minor defile, which is a good thing, and you have to invest at least 10-15 pts into Blessed. Shields are a better way to heal yourself, but force you to be on the defensive for longer.

That would be super boring. I want variety, not a lot of clones running around.

andreasranasen · February 2017

Shield stacking is an art form lol

https://youtu.be/aUrHkggNtYI

mmolegends44 · February 2017

@alexkdd99 he has a point @SnubbS if they made vigor heals way better for stam in my opinion vigor does not heal properly at all it's annoying when you in a middle of a fight pop vigor and it doesn't heal you at times just irritating.

mmolegends44 · February 2017

@Xsorus that's the one you farm from blackheart right

Universe · February 2017

OP ?
ZoS nerfed shields to hell.
The shields need a duration buff if anything.

FriedEggSandwich · February 2017

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Honestly, I haven't read all of this rediciulous QQ thread but it's amazing how fast these "nerf op magicka" posts appeared when stamina just got the slightest nerf after more than a half year of stam on top. Or could it be that all these proctards finally need to learn their characters and do more than a light attack/ weapon skill to proc their three rediciulous sets that do all the work for them. Oh, I forgot, that hasn't changed, they just don't crit anymore. This get's out of hand and I'm already tired of this. Maybe I should avoid the forum until the next balance patch that shifts the favour again. But then the victims of the next nerf will do the same.

Nooo don't avoid the forums, we need more people with common sense, not less.

idk · February 2017

BrassRazoo wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

mmolegends44 wrote: »

funny how people say L2P wtf does that have to do with saying sorc shield is stronger and harder to penetrate from this patch are some of you dumb or what?

Well before Sorc shields were nerfed a guild member played a sorc and complained about how OP Templars, NBs and Dks were. He leveled up a NB and complained about how OP Templars, DKs and Sorcs were.

Funny how that works. A big part of PvP in this and any game is working out a build to kill and survive with the style of play you intend and knowing what situations to avoid with that build.

This is correct. Unfortunately you can only build your character one way. On console we don't have the luxury of add ons that allow us to hot swap loadouts so we are confined to a small space. We can all choose gear and skills that can counter and defeat another player with certain loadouts, but when we meet someone whose loadout does is not weak against ours we are stumped and immediately complain. Problem is you adjust for one popular opposing build but then are susceptible to another.
You cannot win in all scenarios on console.

True. However, some builds, including the skill of the player, can handle going against larger groups. Being able to read a situation and know how to handle it goes a long way in PvP. Those who are challenged knowing how to handle a situation (including to avoid it) are the ones who complain in the forums.

Father_X_Zombie · February 2017

Sausage wrote: »

Sorc has been Zen's favorite Class since the launch.

Did you sleep through Dark brotherhood?

MasterPerceval · February 2017

I think OP fought a clever sorc who stacked harness magicka and hardened ward ontop of eachother for a huge almost pve like ward.

Ep1kMalware · February 2017

Rly? I often get attacked by sorcs while farming for telvar. They get inside my aoes and I barely notice the ap tick. Especially awesome if in sewers with a coupke friemds all stacking aoes and a couple enemy players decide to join the party.

Maybe try using more than 1 damage ability?

thankyourat · February 2017

mmolegends44 wrote: »

@alexkdd99 he has a point @SnubbS if they made vigor heals way better for stam in my opinion vigor does not heal properly at all it's annoying when you in a middle of a fight pop vigor and it doesn't heal you at times just irritating.

Buff vigor? You have to be kidding. Vigor is super op on some of my characters I can get 6k vigor ticks that's pretty much a burst heal that tics multiple times. I'm pretty sure this is a troll thread

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · February 2017

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Also try dumping 35 into shattering champion point

Increases damage against targets withna damage shield.

You will notice diffrence

With 100 points the damage is still not worth it. No matter how many point you drop here X points will never be useful can a stamina build cause the o ky Shield we have a super weak secondary effects.

Chelo wrote: »

At least you can break shields, Im sick of infinite roll dodgers...

It's nearly impossible to die to a roll build. They have unreal stamina recovery with no damage using sets to make up the difference range them they want you to CC and chase you can't CC someone with 3-4K Stamina recovery... they also can't attack you because of the cooldown on powers after rolling.

darthsithis wrote: »

Just roll dodge all our attacks then snare us until we can't cc break...

And we good sorcs always took and still do take forever to kill. Of course any good player of any class can basically do the same thing.

Snares on a Sorcerer you can teleport at will roots don't even stop you. I never even come close to caring when a DK spams talons on me I just Bolt.

Chelo wrote: »

SnubbS wrote: »

I honestly wish that shields weren't even in the game and everyone had to heal like Stam characters.

And how the hell are Magicka Players going to avoid attacks? We roll dodge twice and we are out of Stamina, Block twice and out of stamina again... The game is already too stamina oriented, since you stamina players doesnt need magicka at all, just for utility skills like Shadow Cloak of NB...

I can make and do have mages with 100% magic powers on all bars, try out a stamina build with 0 magic powers go ahead try. You can put points to stamina recovery any Nightblade magic or stamina worth their weight in salt has at least 1k in the pool they don't use. That 15% regen bonus just gets you to med 600s you can increase your stamina recovery you just don't.

With an 8 second CC immunity I don't see how you can run out of stamina shields can't be critical hit and most PvP players have 5-8 (with one hand and shield) impen so you can take the crit no problem.
You can Shield up on big attacks, you have a whole still line just for healing, alliance war purge that cuts future CCs for 6 seconds I think and you can only be hard CCed once per 8 seconds so why are you dodging and blocking that's what the shield is for.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · February 2017

I myself hate the grind so I never got proc sets so my build is unchanged. I do have to say I love all the mages calling proc set cheese builds like magic don't have the same cheese with a set that grants heat seeking offense when you used shields. But sure stamina is cheese.

Duiwel · February 2017

OP you must not have been around when Thieves guild launched...

Back then sorc shields were OP, they are not OP now...

Master_Kas · February 2017

Sorcs are casting undodgeable, unblockable and uncloakable curses, so I put on shieldbreaker on my stamblade again.

Funny to use on reroller sorcs

AnviOfVai · February 2017

Lol what?

hassubhai · February 2017

Yet anoter ignorant player who probanly hasnt even played magsorc for a relevant amount of time, complaining.

Banetek · February 2017

STEVIL wrote: »

SanSan wrote: »

Put in periods pal because I am out of breath.

Periods are OP now?

Only if its heavy flow

Tommy_The_Gun · February 2017

"Sorc Shields OP Now?"

Best DMG:
Sorcerer
Best Defence
Sorcerer
Best Mobility
Sorcerer
(and there is probably more that I forgot about)

Btw. I remember times when people complained about NB, thus NB was heavily nerfed and those nerfs continue up to this day (last patch for example Death Stroke morphs ult cost was increased with no recompense whatsoever). So if you complain about something strong enough - it will be nerfed

leepalmer95 · February 2017

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

"Sorc Shields OP Now?"

Best DMG:
Sorcerer
Best Defence
Sorcerer
Best Mobility
Sorcerer
(and there is probably more that I forgot about)

Btw. I remember times when people complained about NB, thus NB was heavily nerfed and those nerfs continue up to this day (last patch for example Death Stroke morphs ult cost was increased with no recompense whatsoever). So if you complain about something strong enough - it will be nerfed

Well pve dmg is different from pvp dmg.

In pve they do top dmg, in pve dk has best defence.

In pvp they aren't top dmg.

Shuffle + roll is better defence then shields. The more people on you the less effective shields become where as shuffle and dodge roll becomes better at avoiding more dmg the more people you have on you.

Best mobility? I agree stam sorc has the best mobility but mag sorc's mobility is about the same or slightly lessas a stam build in heavy because of the fact they can purge snares as well as sprint a lot.

So it should look like this:

Best DMG: Pve Yes, Pve No

Best Defence: Pve No, Pvp No.

Best mobility: Stam sorc yes, Mag sorc(which this thread is about) No.

Also death stroke was nerfed for a good reason, it didn't get enough of a nerf either.

Biro123 · February 2017

Most easily avoidable burst:
Sorcerer
Worst defence in large-scale and out of combat:
Sorcerer
Best illusion of Mobility
Sorceror
Best mobility
Any magicka class with mist-form.. or stamsorc.
Coolest players
Sorceror
Sexyest players
Sorceror
Smartest players
Sorceror

(and there is probably more that I forgot about)

Vahrokh · February 2017

andreasranasen wrote: »

Shield stacking is an art form lol

https://youtu.be/aUrHkggNtYI

That was an awesome piece of PvP, I wish I had a fraction of the skill and situational awareness of that guy!