Global Auction House yes or no?

animositysominab16_ESO · February 2017

No

Please no!
Never ever.

Guild Traders are far more interesting than a boring auction house.
I personally like it to search different merchants for a certain item I want. I think it's also far more interesting to search for the best price and travel for that all around tamriel.

There are plenty of MMOs with an auction house. ESO is one game that decided to go a different way with guild merchants... and now everybody is crying for the boring standard MMO-auctionhouse.

Leave it as it is. For me personally it would be a big disappointment if ZOS would change the trading system to a global auction house!

Just my two cents.

Peace.

(English is not my native language)

anitajoneb17_ESO · February 2017

No

Darkstorne wrote: »

I get why a lot of people vote "no" - you're pretty much all salespeople in trade guilds. But from a casual player's perspective who just wants to buy things, the current system is complete garbage, and prevents me from buying anything from any of your stores.

Yes, that's probably true, most of us "No" voters are people who enjoy the "trading" part of the game. Just because you don't like that part of the game doesn't mean it should disappear. As someone who finds dungeons mostly boring, should I ask for the gear to be freely available and dungeons to be gone ?

Reverb · February 2017

No

This is probably the 100th poll on this since launch. The majority of the community prefers the current system to an AH. Sometimes only a small majority, sometimes by a large margin, but when asked to weigh in, the vote always goes to keeping the guild trader system.

Cpt_Teemo · February 2017

Yes

Tasear wrote: »

It's interesting this way.

Interesting yes, affective no.

Cpt_Teemo · February 2017

Yes

Darkstorne wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

I use this now any time I am looking for a specific item.

https://tamrieltradecentre.com/

You can use the site for browsing all the guild kiosks across Tamriel, and if you want to participate you can use the addon and client so you can give them information when you use Kiosks.

Best thing ever and basically allows for a Global Auction House effect.

Wow! Seriously, this is exactly what the game needs. I would be fine needing to travel to individual trade stores to buy items, so long as there was a central database (perhaps in city banks?) that I could search for everything in one place. And in a weird way, it shouldn't be surprising that a TES game ends up relying on the modding community for a feature as essential as this

I get why a lot of people vote "no" - you're pretty much all salespeople in trade guilds. But from a casual player's perspective who just wants to buy things, the current system is complete garbage, and prevents me from buying anything from any of your stores.

Yeah maybe they can work out a compromise by adding a main trader per zone in each of the main city's instead of having to go around from trader to trader in each zone I would be happy if they had a centralized market vendor as well multiple vendors even since everyone will be crowding.

The centralized market vendor will pool all the items the guild stores own into one area in that zone only

Gandrhulf_Harbard · February 2017

No

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Yes, that's probably true, most of us "No" voters are people who enjoy the "trading" part of the game. Just because you don't like that part of the game doesn't mean it should disappear. As someone who finds dungeons mostly boring, should I ask for the gear to be freely available and dungeons to be gone ?

No one is asking for Kiosks to be gone. Keep them, enjoy them.

What we want, what the game desperately needs, us an alternate route so that the huge percentage of the playerbase denied access to trading has a way to trade.

Please Note: I voted NO. I don't want a Global AH, or even a Global Store.

But a Free Trader in each city that a) allows players who don't have Kiosk access to list a limited number of items for trade and b) which contains a catalogue of all items for sale and their location within the city, would be a huge advantage.

I buy from a Guild Trader maybe once a week, the rest of the time I ignore the system because I have no desired to waste an hour travelling across the know world to find no one has what I want.

If I could go to the Free Trader, search for X and he tells me that Y Guild has X for sale on their Kiosk then that would increase sales for the Trade Guilds.

How is that a bad thing?

All The Best

Gandrhulf_Harbard · February 2017

No

Reverb wrote: »

This is probably the 100th poll on this since launch. The majority of the community prefers the current system to an AH. Sometimes only a small majority, sometimes by a large margin, but when asked to weigh in, the vote always goes to keeping the guild trader system.

1) That it is the hundredth poll since launch demonstrates that the issue still needs to be fixed.
2) I was involved in many of the early polls on this subject and the ONLY time the current systems wins out is when the other option is limited to a WoW-esque auction house.
3) When other options are considered, including just adding significant more functionality to the current system the current system lost - every single time.

And when those early results were collated - and I did it several times in the early months of the game - the support for the status quo was consistently less than 40%, and rarely if ever topped 55%.

All The Best

Ojustaboo · February 2017

Yes

Tranquilizer wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

Artemiisia wrote: »

lets take the perfect thing thats happening right now as a example:

Heartwood hard to come by mat, supply and demand for sure, there are people running around buying all the mats and reselling it for 150% of normal price.

if we had just one AH, you would make it extremely easy for people like that to make gear/mats and so on, much more expensive than it would be.

AH = the rich gets richer, and the new people cant buy anything

Wrong at first it would be expensive but as more of the same items appeared there the price would go down simple marketing!
Volume dictates pricing more items cheaper prices
Besides the fact that's happening already at least with a AH very few ppl will under cut buy massive amounts and it will also put far more volume into the markets do the math amount of players vs guilds with traders x that by guild member limits ...
At a guess the volume of items being sold with a AH could be near a huge % more so lower prices ..
Once again the only ppl against this are the traders monopolising the markets and scared of what it will do to there business .. argue all you want but when you see the same guilds over and over in the same area what about the other 200 maybe more guilds or the 10000+ players that have stuff to sell?

No, Artemiisia is basically right, although heartwood is not a good example because it's not really hard to come by. There is just an overwhelming demand the first few days or weeks. atm heartwood is dramatically dropping in price.

But imagine this would be done to real rare items, like sharpened spriggan daggers for example. Imagine there is a player (or a handful of players) who own so much gold that they can buy every sharpened spriggan dagger, which will be sold for example for 200k each, and resell it for 600k. I saw these bahavior in lots of mmos I've played, a few real rare items in the hands of one player, dictating the price.

I wouldn't say these things are impossible with the current guild merchant system, but it makes it much more difficult to get into a market dominating position. With a global auction house, it requires literally no effort.

So no, no global ah.

I disagree. With a global AH people do try doing this sure, but if they price too high others don't buy. What usually happens is an item that say sells regularly for 1000g, if someone lists it as 200g, someone buys it and relists it for 1000g.

In Lotro, I started selling a particular item, there wasn't any on the AH, so I made up a price, I got an in game mail from another player thanking me for listing at such a decent price compared to what it's usually listed at, and offering to buy direct from me in the future, hence I doubled my price and the goods still instantly sold.

People don't want goods hanging around in AH for ages, hence usually list at prices that sell within a day or two. As the AH takes a cut, if someone lists a few stacks at 1000g, the next player 990G, the next player 980g etc, it is worthless for someone to buy the lower prices and relist at 1000g due to the AH cut. But if this carries on, there comes a point where it does become worthwhile buying them all and relisting to reset the price. This will always happen and isn't a bad thing, otherwise items that sell daily, will end up costing less than you would get from a merchant.

Neither of those two examples are manipulating the market in a bad way, it's not buying every stack of a particular item and relisting at 2000g, if they did, they would be the ones ending up with unsold stock as those sort of items get listed every day and many people just list at what they know the going rate is and even if they undercut this person, it doesn't take long for the price to get back to what people are used to paying.

If I need money, I always well undercut the going rate on AH and have never ever had any problem selling my goods, and have never ever had problems finding goods to buy (obviously if it's a new rare item, then at first the price is out of most of our reaches)

Sure it's more effort to manipulate rare items on ESO, but using the https://tamrieltradecentre.com/ website , it isn't really that hard to do, it's certainely far far easier to do than for the average buyer to actually find a rare item they want.

Using that website (EU,PC), lets look at some of the items.

Crafting Motif 36: Dark Brotherhood Chests, first 4 pages with the item varying between 15k and 20k (and one listing for 10K) that is exactly the sort of price difference you see on a global AH, all it does is inconvenience the buyer.

Lets take a rarish item people are always after, level 160 purple Arcane Ring of willpower.

I listed them all from 13k down, a total of 32.

One was very cheap at 5000g, but you can guarantee that was bought the second anyone knows their worth saw it (or else a player got lucky., but any guild trader using that site is going to head right there to make an instant 50% profit)

6 at 13,000
1 at 12,999
1 at 12,734
2 at 12,500
2 at 12,083
9 at 12,000
1 at 11.999
4 at 11.000
1 at 10.923
1 at 10,691
2 at 9999
1 at 8000
1 at 5000

Again the sort of price difference you see in any global AH.

I've just spent 35 minutes starting st the bottom trying to find one, I finally found the one for 12,734 in stock (single out of the way trader), that's 26 guild traders (OK some were the same one),

In 30 mins I could have got well over 5k of gold plus items to sell in say a public dungeon and would rather have paid 15k in an AH than spend this time.

Maybe 25 others got a bargain, or maybe as most of those traders were also listing them above 15k, other traders bought and relisted?

35 mins doing this might seem fun to some, I would rather farm a dungeon and kill mobs and pay double the price.

But as I've said before, I'm happy if we don't have a global AH as long as we have a better system than we currently have.

And as I've said time and time again, if every player that regularly plays, tried to join a trading guild, there simply isn't enough places available, and that one simple fact, in my eyes makes the current system unfair. No other area of the game is cut off to a select group of players.

A good friend of mine who is into duelling and PvP big time and is in various PvP guilds, has bought a 2nd account for the simple reason of using their characters to place in various trading guilds to sell their wares. They already use their main account guild slots for PvP guilds they regularly play with etc. That might mean an extra sale for Zos, but to me it only strengthens my opinion that something about the current system isn't working as it should be.

I'm currently just vending stuff that sells in traders for upwards of 50 - 200k, or sticking it in one of my guilds stores for anyone to take, it's just easier that way and it shouldn't be the case.

Some weeks I will only want to sell one or two items, show me a trading guild I can belong to that is in a place that most people shop at that will accept me and doesn't want me to pay them for the privilege, doesn't insist I sell a certain amount of stuff etc i will happily change my vote.

arena25 · February 2017

deadman99k2b14_ESO1 wrote: »

Simply informational yes or no question. I for one am all for it would save me so much time selling and buying. Feel free to post opinions.

You must be new to the ESO forums. Welcome to ESO!

Let me direct you to the search tool where 5 gazillion other threads can be found on the same subject...

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/search?Search=auction+house

Sharee · February 2017

No

snakester320 wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Yeah, arcane preferred. I've gone to just about every vendor over the last several days. My issue with this system is the asinine amount of time I've spent looking for the stupid ring.

But the asinine amount of time one has to spend to find a rare piece of equipment is the very reason why it is possible to find a good deal on it at all.

If looking it up took 3 seconds, a gold farmer (for whom gold is absolutely a non-issue) would find them all, and resell them at 4x - 10x the price (and continue to do so automatically), making it impossible to afford by getting gold from normal gameplay, pushing people into buying the gold from the gold farmer's website instead .

Doing that in a market that is split between many many small unconnected stores is much harder.

And that doesn't happen now with players scouting sh.tty trader sites to sell in populated ones I see no valid argument here..
When you have high volume of items they will eventually get so cheap that they will make no money because the volume of players being able to sell will increase driving prices down not up!

Actual players spending their time scouting and reselling is not a problem, a bot program doing so automatically 0.01 seconds after the items are posted would be a problem tho.

Cpt_Teemo · February 2017

Yes

Sharee wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Yeah, arcane preferred. I've gone to just about every vendor over the last several days. My issue with this system is the asinine amount of time I've spent looking for the stupid ring.

But the asinine amount of time one has to spend to find a rare piece of equipment is the very reason why it is possible to find a good deal on it at all.

If looking it up took 3 seconds, a gold farmer (for whom gold is absolutely a non-issue) would find them all, and resell them at 4x - 10x the price (and continue to do so automatically), making it impossible to afford by getting gold from normal gameplay, pushing people into buying the gold from the gold farmer's website instead .

Doing that in a market that is split between many many small unconnected stores is much harder.

And that doesn't happen now with players scouting sh.tty trader sites to sell in populated ones I see no valid argument here..
When you have high volume of items they will eventually get so cheap that they will make no money because the volume of players being able to sell will increase driving prices down not up!

Actual players spending their time scouting and reselling is not a problem, a bot program doing so automatically 0.01 seconds after the items are posted would be a problem tho.

But players don't want to be bothered having to use 75-90% of there game time every day to be able to buy something they want and having to teleport everywhere to obtain it.

Jeremy · February 2017

Yes

Katahdin wrote: »

Has been discussed in 5574651849849848499684 threads.

ZoS has said it wont be happening.

ZOS also said they weren't going to move away from the subscription-based model.

Now subscriptions are optional and there is a cash shop.

anitajoneb17_ESO · February 2017

No

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

But players don't want to be bothered having to use 75-90% of there game time every day to be able to buy something they want and having to teleport everywhere to obtain it.

They never *have to*. The option to get it themselves is always there. You don't have to buy anything from other players in ESO. If you don't want to get it yourself, you might just as well spend some time looking for it. One way or the other, you have to *play* for what you want. That's what makes the whole thing, you know, a *game*...

Gandrhulf_Harbard · February 2017

No

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

But players don't want to be bothered having to use 75-90% of there game time every day to be able to buy something they want and having to teleport everywhere to obtain it.

They never *have to*. The option to get it themselves is always there. You don't have to buy anything from other players in ESO. If you don't want to get it yourself, you might just as well spend some time looking for it. One way or the other, you have to *play* for what you want. That's what makes the whole thing, you know, a *game*...

No.

Traipsing half way around the world to find that one kiosk that sells what you want isn't *a game*, its *a chore*.

All The Best

Cpt_Teemo · February 2017

Yes

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

But players don't want to be bothered having to use 75-90% of there game time every day to be able to buy something they want and having to teleport everywhere to obtain it.

They never *have to*. The option to get it themselves is always there. You don't have to buy anything from other players in ESO. If you don't want to get it yourself, you might just as well spend some time looking for it. One way or the other, you have to *play* for what you want. That's what makes the whole thing, you know, a *game*...

I don't consider "playing" to be wondering around from vendor to vendor, i'd rather have some sort of centralized market person that pools in all the items into one area in each zone atleast so we still get the feel for guild vendors but don't have to move around all that much.

As I said before they could atleast meet 1/2 way we still have the guild vendors which you have to pay for every week, but instead of actually having to go to those specific vendors there are centralized marketers in each of the main citys in that zone that have the information pulled to them from the other guild vendors in that zone only.

johu31 · February 2017

No

Just stopping by again to check results.. majority still says no, like always.

Cpt_Teemo · February 2017

Yes

johu31 wrote: »

Just stopping by again to check results.. majority still says no, like always.

Then again this is just the forums, usually only 10% of entire games use the forums or less

Linaleah · February 2017

Yes

I will never, EVER understand people who are against it. are you enjoying running around like headless chicken looking for that one item you need because the first dozen traders you went to - didn't have it? do you enjoy being a part of a smaller trading guild losing your trader to competition and having no trader out in a world. or alternately - a trader that's in a middle of nowhere. do you enjoy not being able to join one of the bigger guilds because they not only have sale minimums, but are full up on members anyways - no more spots left.

what in a world makes trader system in any way, shape or form preferable to global trading? don't say price fixing, price fixing doesn't work as long as there are multiple people posting, heck localized traders are more capable of price fixing, if only by the virtue of better prices being god knows where in a middle of nowhere.

global auction house/trading house IS a better system that is more accessible to more players.

Tommy_The_Gun · February 2017

Yes

johu31 wrote: »

Just stopping by again to check results.. majority still says no, like always.

Are you worried about it ? It is unofficial voting. And ZOS already said a couple of time that they don't plan Auction House.

But they didn't said that they are not planning to improve current trading system, so that 80 -90 % of players (solo players and small guilds) will finally able to use it.

Linaleah · February 2017

Yes

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

But players don't want to be bothered having to use 75-90% of there game time every day to be able to buy something they want and having to teleport everywhere to obtain it.

They never *have to*. The option to get it themselves is always there. You don't have to buy anything from other players in ESO. If you don't want to get it yourself, you might just as well spend some time looking for it. One way or the other, you have to *play* for what you want. That's what makes the whole thing, you know, a *game*...

No.

Traipsing half way around the world to find that one kiosk that sells what you want isn't *a game*, its *a chore*.

All The Best

given your reply, if I may ask.. why did you vote no? you don't seem to enjoy hopping around from trader to trader any more than I do and centralized auction house would fix that.

Gandrhulf_Harbard · February 2017

No

Linaleah wrote: »

given your reply, if I may ask.. why did you vote no? you don't seem to enjoy hopping around from trader to trader any more than I do and centralized auction house would fix that.

Of course you can ask.

I voted No because I genuinely do not think that a Global AH or Global Trade Store is the answer. I'd much prefer Regional Trade Stores.

So that the main urban centre in each zone has a Trade Store.

I'd like a Trade Store to have the following functions:
1) Allow players without access to a Kiosk to list goods at a set price (as in NOT an auction house), let them have 10 slots, and pay twice the normal tax rate.
2) Give the Guild Store a search function so I can search for Item X and it will tell me which Guild Kiosks have it listed and their prices.
3) The the player has the choice to head to that Kiosk and buy direct from the Guild Trader, or buy through the Trade Store for a % based transaction fee.

That gives the most access to the most players, and will put more traders goods in front of a higher number of players.

The reason I don't want a global ah or trade system is not because I think it is open to market abuse ( I don't think such system are any more or less open to market abuse than the current guild kiosk system) but because I like the idea of keeping what little Faction Separation remains where possible.

All The Best

Linaleah · February 2017

Yes

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

given your reply, if I may ask.. why did you vote no? you don't seem to enjoy hopping around from trader to trader any more than I do and centralized auction house would fix that.

Of course you can ask.

I voted No because I genuinely do not think that a Global AH or Global Trade Store is the answer. I'd much prefer Regional Trade Stores.

So that the main urban centre in each zone has a Trade Store.

I'd like a Trade Store to have the following functions:
1) Allow players without access to a Kiosk to list goods at a set price (as in NOT an auction house), let them have 10 slots, and pay twice the normal tax rate.
2) Give the Guild Store a search function so I can search for Item X and it will tell me which Guild Kiosks have it listed and their prices.
3) The the player has the choice to head to that Kiosk and buy direct from the Guild Trader, or buy through the Trade Store for a % based transaction fee.

That gives the most access to the most players, and will put more traders goods in front of a higher number of players.

The reason I don't want a global ah or trade system is not because I think it is open to market abuse ( I don't think such system are any more or less open to market abuse than the current guild kiosk system) but because I like the idea of keeping what little Faction Separation remains where possible.

All The Best

well.. I still think that your idea is somewhat restrictive (not a fan of paying extra fee to buy from trade center vs guild kiosk), but its ways above of what we have right now and would fix a number of issues.

personaly I don't mind it that factions are no longer separated outside of pvp, but I can see why people might feel differently. the problem is... guilds are accountwide. so what do you do when you have characters in every faction. list different things on different characters? what about traders? it just seems to me like an unecessary restriction, given that I can already take my dominion character to say Daggerfall city and shop there without being restricted. faction only trade centers do not fix that issue, so in the end, I end up traveling all over the place anyways, whether its to avoid the extra fee, or because the trade center doesn't show me items from other factions... even if techincaly those items were listed by my very own guildies, who did so on different faction character. you know?

SHADOW2KK · February 2017

No

srfrogg23 wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Ojustaboo wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Oh shock, yet another thread on this already massively beaten to death topic...

As I said above, the same sort of comment was made when people wanted text chat on the consoles, which they eventually got.

You don't want it so we shouldn't discuss it.

Well I am on PC and been here since the closed betas of 2013 and seen a billiion threads over the years about AH, no offence, but could not care less about console issues, past or present.

Plus this current topic has been discussed to death, so not a case of whether I want it or not.

It might have been discussed by you and others, the OP clearly has not shared in your experience.

Hate to break it to you, but this topic will continue to come up until Zenimax changes the system. If that bothers you, you may need to find something to do other than lurk on the forums.

LOL, sure, and I never once said it bothers me, so get your facts straight, and calm down with the projection, I just find it amusing how this topic keeps reincarnating to the same whiney drivel it normally is.

And you honestly think Zeni will change the system?

Good luck with that

If it didn't bother you, you would have ignored the thread and moved on to something more interesting. The only thing that the "whipping the dead horse" memes do is illustrate how much time and effort you put into the forums.

It's not the job of other customers to provide you with a fresh stream of forum content to peruse through.

You need to accept the fact that this is a public forum used by people who aren't experts on "all previously covered topics". You'll get there someday...maybe.

I am in awe of your delusions of how you think I should act, I will look where I wish, and fyi, I have not put a "whipping the dead horse" meme whatsoever here, but please carry on with your superior ways.

Fresh stream of content? this might be news to you, there is a feature called, cue drum roll............search function on the forums, so that this topic which has been coming up loads since the beginning of the game might not be regurgitated ad nauseum once again.

Maybe one day, you can use your vaunted knowledge to learn there are muitiple threads of the same subject again and again, and who knows, maybe use the search function yourself.

And you are right, it is a public forum, and all opinions have validity, maybe I struck a nerve with you stating the fact this topic has been done to death, so to turn your awe inspiring arrogance and projection back onto you...

You might be better to lurk on the forums and see that it is a public forum and might just realise that maybe just maybe others have differing opinions to you and not to be insulting to others who might disagree by telling them what to do, tell them to spend their personal time, need I go on?

You will get there someday....maybe

I only skimmed through some of that. The answer is No.

Nobody is going to approach your forums like a homework assignment because it will make you feel better.

Lol just lol.

Agobi · February 2017

Yes

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Darkstorne wrote: »

I get why a lot of people vote "no" - you're pretty much all salespeople in trade guilds. But from a casual player's perspective who just wants to buy things, the current system is complete garbage, and prevents me from buying anything from any of your stores.

Yes, that's probably true, most of us "No" voters are people who enjoy the "trading" part of the game. Just because you don't like that part of the game doesn't mean it should disappear. As someone who finds dungeons mostly boring, should I ask for the gear to be freely available and dungeons to be gone ?

So ,would you support the adding of a proper AH if the "run around the map searching blindly" option you enjoy so much stayed in place?

Adding a new feature doesn't necessarily mean removing something else....

johu31 · February 2017

No

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

johu31 wrote: »

Just stopping by again to check results.. majority still says no, like always.

Then again this is just the forums, usually only 10% of entire games use the forums or less

Agreed, but pollsters usually do small sample sizes and they were usually are on point with the results.. until the recent US presidential election, then it lost all credibility as far as I'm concerned.

[Deleted User] · February 2017

No

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srfrogg23 · February 2017

Yes

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Ojustaboo wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Oh shock, yet another thread on this already massively beaten to death topic...

As I said above, the same sort of comment was made when people wanted text chat on the consoles, which they eventually got.

You don't want it so we shouldn't discuss it.

Well I am on PC and been here since the closed betas of 2013 and seen a billiion threads over the years about AH, no offence, but could not care less about console issues, past or present.

Plus this current topic has been discussed to death, so not a case of whether I want it or not.

It might have been discussed by you and others, the OP clearly has not shared in your experience.

Hate to break it to you, but this topic will continue to come up until Zenimax changes the system. If that bothers you, you may need to find something to do other than lurk on the forums.

LOL, sure, and I never once said it bothers me, so get your facts straight, and calm down with the projection, I just find it amusing how this topic keeps reincarnating to the same whiney drivel it normally is.

And you honestly think Zeni will change the system?

Good luck with that

If it didn't bother you, you would have ignored the thread and moved on to something more interesting. The only thing that the "whipping the dead horse" memes do is illustrate how much time and effort you put into the forums.

It's not the job of other customers to provide you with a fresh stream of forum content to peruse through.

You need to accept the fact that this is a public forum used by people who aren't experts on "all previously covered topics". You'll get there someday...maybe.

I am in awe of your delusions of how you think I should act, I will look where I wish, and fyi, I have not put a "whipping the dead horse" meme whatsoever here, but please carry on with your superior ways.

Fresh stream of content? this might be news to you, there is a feature called, cue drum roll............search function on the forums, so that this topic which has been coming up loads since the beginning of the game might not be regurgitated ad nauseum once again.

Maybe one day, you can use your vaunted knowledge to learn there are muitiple threads of the same subject again and again, and who knows, maybe use the search function yourself.

And you are right, it is a public forum, and all opinions have validity, maybe I struck a nerve with you stating the fact this topic has been done to death, so to turn your awe inspiring arrogance and projection back onto you...

You might be better to lurk on the forums and see that it is a public forum and might just realise that maybe just maybe others have differing opinions to you and not to be insulting to others who might disagree by telling them what to do, tell them to spend their personal time, need I go on?

You will get there someday....maybe

I only skimmed through some of that. The answer is No.

Nobody is going to approach your forums like a homework assignment because it will make you feel better.

Lol just lol.

And, you ran out of things to say.

I win!

[Deleted User] · February 2017

No

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Korah_Eaglecry · February 2017

Yes

An AH is never going to get a majority backing on these forums. Its just not in the cards. Most players are either too deep into Guild Traders to give up the monopoly they hold, they dont notice how many are actually being kept from participating because of the systems design, or they simply arent impacted so they could careless.

Ojustaboo · February 2017

Yes

johu31 wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

johu31 wrote: »

Just stopping by again to check results.. majority still says no, like always.

Then again this is just the forums, usually only 10% of entire games use the forums or less

Agreed, but pollsters usually do small sample sizes and they were usually are on point with the results.. until the recent US presidential election, then it lost all credibility as far as I'm concerned.

Going up to random people and asking their opinion is one thing.

Putting an advertising board up asking a yes or no question is another altogether, and most people who reply, are likely those with very strong opinions one way or the other, and in no way gives a true opinion of what the average person in the street thinks. It also doesn't mean that because the average person walked past, they are happy with things as they are.

I was once summoned in real life to a meeting after I complained about unfair treatment of certain people. They tried to not let me speak, and simply said "are you with us or against us, it's a simple yes or no question"

I responded , "usually yes or no questions are done to make a certain agenda appear in a certain way regardless of which answer is given, or don't give a true picture of what the respondent wants to say, for example, I could ask you: does your mother know your stupid, yes or no?"

The reality probably is, most people in a trade guild vote no, most people who loath the current system vote yes, meanwhile there are many others, some enjoying the trading system, some who don't know any different with ESO being their first mmo, some who find it a pain, and some who have never been able to sell an item in game, and most of these probably aren't on the forum, and many that are will pay zero attention to a thread title like this one, with many not even aware the op is talking about the current trading system.

And with my "yes" vote bias, I'm also going to add that most yes voters are probably like me, who take part in ah threads once or twice a year, whereas, I suspect if you have a vested interest in a trading guild, almost every week or so when someone starts another one, you jump in to register your "no" vote

I suspect that if someone searched the forum and made a list of who voted/wanted to have an AH and who wanted to keep the current system, if they tallied up unique usernames so we only get to see one vote/wish from each user, personally I think far more people will be asking for an AH. Unless of course all these almost weekly threads that are supposedly flogging a dead horse, are all started by the same few posters.