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Global Auction House yes or no?

  • Darkstorne
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    Yes, but in a unique way that still supports Guild Traders.

    As a customer, I need a way of knowing where to go to buy an item I'm interested in. Manually fast travelling between every town in the game to individually check every single trade stall is just ridiculous, and if anything it's unrealistic to assume guilds wouldn't unite in these situations to spread awareness about the stocks they offer so potential customers are more likely to reach them.

    That could be as simple as allowing Guilds to decorate their stalls with signs and displays that make it clear at a glance what they specialise in. Or it could be some kind of elaborate charter in key locations like banks that allow players to search all items being sold at every store (or perhaps by every guild that pays a registry fee for this charter), and tells them which store sells it. The player would still need to visit that store, but at least now there's a unified search system.

    Obviously I'm saying this as a casual player, not a trader. But ESO's player trade system is so god awful from a customer's perspective that I gave up on even bothering with it long ago. Something needs to change.
  • Ojustaboo
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    srfrogg23 wrote: »
    I still don't understand the fascination with guild traders.

    Been looking to buy a 160 ring of willpower for several days now and going to each trader has become so tedious that I've given up on the prospect of purchasing one off somebody.

    It's so tedious, it's a wonder anyone manages to sell anything using them :|

    And if you went around them all and found 3 different traders selling them, you can almost guarantee they will all be listing it at exactly the same price (or if it's an item loads of traders have, they will all have exactly the same lowest selling price even if some people are trying to charge more)
  • Sinthrax
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    Are these new people doing these polls? I ain't even lying when I say there have been 1000's of these. Are they new or just hoping people changed their minds.
  • Sinthrax
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    Ojustaboo wrote: »
    SHADOW2KK wrote: »
    Oh shock, yet another thread on this already massively beaten to death topic...

    As I said above, the same sort of comment was made when people wanted text chat on the consoles, which they eventually got.

    You don't want it so we shouldn't discuss it.

    Shouldn't discuss it?? You are kidding right. The discussion should be over on this. You can only discuss something so much until it becomes harassment.
  • snakester320
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    ADarklore wrote: »
    Amazing how people so quickly forget that ESO doesn't have internet access for online shopping like we do with Amazon, and how they forget before the internet we actually had to go from store to store if we wanted something specific. Yet, they somehow expect ancient Tamriel to have internet global access... and how that type of thing would definitely be immersion breaking in a lore-based RPG.

    Never heard of a trading hub ( which is what a global auction house means in a mmo )where every one goes to buy and sell there stuff in one place they had them before you were born lore breaking my arse! ..
    its ridiculous to have to travel all over tamriel to find something when you could go to one place to find everything in one spot..
    It's nothing more than guilds getting scared they will lose there monopoly on the markets that's all .. lore breaking is just a whaa whaa way of saying I don't want to lose my way to make money and control the markets..
    How many guilds are out there that can't sell because they haven't got the funds to bid high enough on traders then ask yourself how many guilds would lose big time if you entered another 100k - 200k ppl selling stuff on a auction house.. its FEAR thats all not lore breaking!
    Edited by snakester320 on February 18, 2017 8:37PM
  • Jim_Pipp
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    Yes please. I am sick of spending hours running around looking for a certain item. I am sick of people making gold by buying items and selling them again for more, making items more expensive for people who need them so people who rp as stock brokers can make gold without playing the game. The current system is such a waste of time.
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  • wenchmore420b14_ESO
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  • Tommy_The_Gun
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    Yes
    "Other" field is missing:

    How about just to improve item search system in guild store ?

    Or just add a "global" search - so you could find items and information where certain items can be bought (because right now if you want to know reasonable price you need an Add-on. It would be nice if this add-on was build in the base game).

    Or even - add ability to sell / trade items to a trading guild ? (of course with a reasonable price - the guild will still be able to make a profit and "solo players" (or just smaller guilds that don't have vendor merchant NPC) will also be able to sell / trade limited amount of stuff.
  • jedtb16_ESO
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    erm.... no.

    there follows a question that i have posted every time this topic has reared it's head....

    given there are at least four (five if you are creative) ways for players to buy and sell goods why should the devs divert resources to make another way?

    as yet there has not been a coherent or convincing answer to that question.
  • Beardimus
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    100% don't want one. It would make trading so dull. Everything in the game is getting over simplified as it is.

    Please don't wreck trading in ESO
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  • srfrogg23
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    SHADOW2KK wrote: »
    Ojustaboo wrote: »
    SHADOW2KK wrote: »
    Oh shock, yet another thread on this already massively beaten to death topic...

    As I said above, the same sort of comment was made when people wanted text chat on the consoles, which they eventually got.

    You don't want it so we shouldn't discuss it.

    Well I am on PC and been here since the closed betas of 2013 and seen a billiion threads over the years about AH, no offence, but could not care less about console issues, past or present.

    Plus this current topic has been discussed to death, so not a case of whether I want it or not.

    It might have been discussed by you and others, the OP clearly has not shared in your experience.

    Hate to break it to you, but this topic will continue to come up until Zenimax changes the system. If that bothers you, you may need to find something to do other than lurk on the forums.
  • srfrogg23
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  • NewBlacksmurf
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    No

    The only thing I'd like is if guilds without active traders, could link another 5 guild stores in terms of access so you'd have up to 25 or so guild store drop downs total but it would be disabled if one of those had a trader for the week

    Join a trade guild and problem solved. Guilds should remain separate to each other and having access to 25 guilds as you suggest is way to much.

    I guess if I am a member of a trading guild that does not do raids they should be able to link to 5 other guilds that do raids.

    Trading guilds don't solve that....typically trading guilds are 400-500 ppl trying to sale not buy while normal guilds that I'm in buy and sale which is why I made that comment about linking guilds. Linking means additional stores show in the drop down....simple as that not merging stores of multiple guild stores into one.

    Regarding raids...on Xbox one, we use clubs to link thousands of players together and other use guild sites that can exceed 500 members so no need as we already have working options
    Edited by NewBlacksmurf on February 18, 2017 9:23PM
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  • Tandor
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    No

    The only thing I'd like is if guilds without active traders, could link another 5 guild stores in terms of access so you'd have up to 25 or so guild store drop downs total but it would be disabled if one of those had a trader for the week

    Join a trade guild and problem solved. Guilds should remain separate to each other and having access to 25 guilds as you suggest is way to much.

    I guess if I am a member of a trading guild that does not do raids they should be able to link to 5 other guilds that do raids.

    It doesn't solve anything for casual sellers who can't sustain guild membership. It also doesn't solve anything for buyers, not because of the lack of a decent search function which could obviously be added to the present system, but because prices are fixed artificially high by the restricted supply built into the kiosk bidding system.
  • Gilvoth
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    i would love it if we had one global auction house, but, i dont think eso is going to do it.
  • johu31
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    No
    Why do we do this every week? The results will be the same.. no
  • Unsent.Soul
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    God damn... 2 in a row.
  • Artemiisia
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    No
    lets take the perfect thing thats happening right now as a example:

    Heartwood hard to come by mat, supply and demand for sure, there are people running around buying all the mats and reselling it for 150% of normal price.

    if we had just one AH, you would make it extremely easy for people like that to make gear/mats and so on, much more expensive than it would be.

    AH = the rich gets richer, and the new people cant buy anything
  • Memnock
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    Yes
    ADarklore wrote: »
    Amazing how people so quickly forget that ESO doesn't have internet access for online shopping like we do with Amazon, and how they forget before the internet we actually had to go from store to store if we wanted something specific. Yet, they somehow expect ancient Tamriel to have internet global access... and how that type of thing would definitely be immersion breaking in a lore-based RPG.

    This is just.... silly. You are trying to make parallels between the real world and a fantasy one but even if we are to accept what you are saying as a fact , how then do you explain the crime system in the game ?

    You kill a guy or steal something and literally all the guards around the entirety of the world of ESO , are telepathically aware of your crime and of the amount that you are supposed to pay for it.

    Or every bank and guild bank stores your possessions within a dimensional pocket accessible from every bank around the entirety of ESO instantaneously , or in some cases , this pocket dimension just happens to reside in the backpack of a dark elf.

    Come on , immersion breaking related to a global auction house is a buzz word thrown around just because the player base in the game has just gotten used to these other things and forgot about them or just stopped caring anymore since they are here to stay.

    Global AHs have no downsides no real downsides in any other MMOs that i've played so far and it would simply cut down the run time searching for an item , stop this crazy bid thing for spots , ensure your items have full visibility to the market all the time, eliminate the mild nuisance of actually giving a crap about selling stuff consistently or you get kicked out or having to pay fees due to trader bid costs and so on and so forth.

    Really at this point the only reason people are opposed to it , is because they are used to the current system and trade guilds would be a waste of space. I mean , as far as i know, the people who do pve and pvp along with RPers have their trade guild chat in another dialogue box so it doesn't interfere with their actual play time. I am not saying that this is done by everyone , but what i am trying to say is that at this point in time , the only real reason why people are opposed to a global trading system in ESO is either they have grown very accustomed to what is already in place and are afraid of change or are part of a minor group that simply enjoys the tediousness of the current system and the last alternative being they are the ones that are guild masters or officers of said trading guilds and with those positions come... certain perks that they aren't willing to part with.



  • srfrogg23
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    ADarklore wrote: »
    Amazing how people so quickly forget that ESO doesn't have internet access for online shopping like we do with Amazon, and how they forget before the internet we actually had to go from store to store if we wanted something specific. Yet, they somehow expect ancient Tamriel to have internet global access... and how that type of thing would definitely be immersion breaking in a lore-based RPG.

    What? Did you wander into an AutoZone to look for a new TV?

    This is just a bad analogy. Real stores usually have names that clue you in to what they're selling. Even if they don't, they standardize and sell their products reliably and they ADVERTISE.

    I think it's safe to say, even before the internet, that if you were looking to buy something in particular, you would know where to find it pretty easily. Well, maybe you wouldn't, but most normal people would.

    I'm sorry, but you don't have to wander to every Wal-Mart in the country to find Axe body spray.

    No, the guild trader system does not do any of these things because players will not do these things. The guild trader system is absolute crap.
  • snakester320
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    Artemiisia wrote: »
    lets take the perfect thing thats happening right now as a example:

    Heartwood hard to come by mat, supply and demand for sure, there are people running around buying all the mats and reselling it for 150% of normal price.

    if we had just one AH, you would make it extremely easy for people like that to make gear/mats and so on, much more expensive than it would be.

    AH = the rich gets richer, and the new people cant buy anything
    Wrong at first it would be expensive but as more of the same items appeared there the price would go down simple marketing!
    Volume dictates pricing more items cheaper prices
    Besides the fact that's happening already at least with a AH very few ppl will under cut buy massive amounts and it will also put far more volume into the markets do the math amount of players vs guilds with traders x that by guild member limits ...
    At a guess the volume of items being sold with a AH could be near a huge % more so lower prices ..
    Once again the only ppl against this are the traders monopolising the markets and scared of what it will do to there business .. argue all you want but when you see the same guilds over and over in the same area what about the other 200 maybe more guilds or the 10000+ players that have stuff to sell?
    Edited by snakester320 on February 18, 2017 11:35PM
  • danno8
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    ADarklore wrote: »
    Amazing how people so quickly forget that ESO doesn't have internet access for online shopping like we do with Amazon, and how they forget before the internet we actually had to go from store to store if we wanted something specific. Yet, they somehow expect ancient Tamriel to have internet global access... and how that type of thing would definitely be immersion breaking in a lore-based RPG.

    You really want to get into a "reality" argument?

    In a game where we teleport instantly all over the place and yet the NPC's still use horse drawn carriages?

    Where fire spells damage ice creatures the same amount as they damage fire creatures?

    Where I can kill Daedric Princes but town guards are unkillable?

    Some things you just do for the sake of good gameplay. The "closer to reality" argument falls flat for many, many areas of the game and for good reason.
  • Kalfis
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    Yes, but It most likely won't ever happen.

    I'd wished ZoS just copied GW2's marketplace. Most other MMORPG AH's/Marketplaces are terrible in comparison.
  • SHADOW2KK
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    srfrogg23 wrote: »
    SHADOW2KK wrote: »
    Ojustaboo wrote: »
    SHADOW2KK wrote: »
    Oh shock, yet another thread on this already massively beaten to death topic...

    As I said above, the same sort of comment was made when people wanted text chat on the consoles, which they eventually got.

    You don't want it so we shouldn't discuss it.

    Well I am on PC and been here since the closed betas of 2013 and seen a billiion threads over the years about AH, no offence, but could not care less about console issues, past or present.

    Plus this current topic has been discussed to death, so not a case of whether I want it or not.

    It might have been discussed by you and others, the OP clearly has not shared in your experience.

    Hate to break it to you, but this topic will continue to come up until Zenimax changes the system. If that bothers you, you may need to find something to do other than lurk on the forums.

    LOL, sure, and I never once said it bothers me, so get your facts straight, and calm down with the projection, I just find it amusing how this topic keeps reincarnating to the same whiney drivel it normally is.

    And you honestly think Zeni will change the system?

    Good luck with that
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  • Tommy_The_Gun
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    Um... just add this add-on tha
    Tandor wrote: »
    No

    The only thing I'd like is if guilds without active traders, could link another 5 guild stores in terms of access so you'd have up to 25 or so guild store drop downs total but it would be disabled if one of those had a trader for the week

    Join a trade guild and problem solved. Guilds should remain separate to each other and having access to 25 guilds as you suggest is way to much.

    I guess if I am a member of a trading guild that does not do raids they should be able to link to 5 other guilds that do raids.

    It doesn't solve anything for casual sellers who can't sustain guild membership. It also doesn't solve anything for buyers, not because of the lack of a decent search function which could obviously be added to the present system, but because prices are fixed artificially high by the restricted supply built into the kiosk bidding system.

    I think that is exactly the point. All those "NO" voices are people who simply don't see the problem...

    It is hard to even create a guild that has it own merchant NPC somewhere, let alone stay in one bigger guild for longer period of time. So probably like 80 - 90 % of players are unable to even see how this trading guild mechanics work. Even if you create a guild and have some friends to join - you have very low chance to actually "have" a vendor NPC - even in some obscure place.
    The only way is to just shout on zone chat "WTS (add item here), (add price here)".

    So no wonder such topics exist - and will exists until ZOS will add a way for those people to "taste" trading in a lest "economy - destructive" way possible (for example add a daily / weekly / item sell limit for "solo" / small guilds players).
  • AdamBourke
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    An auction house would be easier. That's not always a good thing.

    It would drive prices lower, and i dont think we need that.
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  • Jemcrystal
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    I would agree on a global AH if they gave it to subscribers only (note I am not a subber) and if it was in Vvardenfell only. People should have to work at mercantile and it should not be made easy or cheap to access for Real Money Traders. I like this game's guild traders. Finally a game that has found a way to make guilds important. And a way for merchant-type gameplay. Do those who have time to play every day and have joined this game long ago get priority over those who join today? Yup. In the game of money that is how it should be (note I do not own a guild and I have been here less than three months). The only other mmo I have heard of that makes you work at money/trading is EVE online, tho I've never been a part of that cause not into outerspace or being a space ship.
  • Vereaux078
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    Especially for the console, since we do not have mods. Or a finder to check all traders at once for console.
  • srfrogg23
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    SHADOW2KK wrote: »
    srfrogg23 wrote: »
    SHADOW2KK wrote: »
    Ojustaboo wrote: »
    SHADOW2KK wrote: »
    Oh shock, yet another thread on this already massively beaten to death topic...

    As I said above, the same sort of comment was made when people wanted text chat on the consoles, which they eventually got.

    You don't want it so we shouldn't discuss it.

    Well I am on PC and been here since the closed betas of 2013 and seen a billiion threads over the years about AH, no offence, but could not care less about console issues, past or present.

    Plus this current topic has been discussed to death, so not a case of whether I want it or not.

    It might have been discussed by you and others, the OP clearly has not shared in your experience.

    Hate to break it to you, but this topic will continue to come up until Zenimax changes the system. If that bothers you, you may need to find something to do other than lurk on the forums.

    LOL, sure, and I never once said it bothers me, so get your facts straight, and calm down with the projection, I just find it amusing how this topic keeps reincarnating to the same whiney drivel it normally is.

    And you honestly think Zeni will change the system?

    Good luck with that

    If it didn't bother you, you would have ignored the thread and moved on to something more interesting. The only thing that the "whipping the dead horse" memes do is illustrate how much time and effort you put into the forums.

    It's not the job of other customers to provide you with a fresh stream of forum content to peruse through.

    You need to accept the fact that this is a public forum used by people who aren't experts on "all previously covered topics". You'll get there someday...maybe.
  • Cpt_Teemo
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    Works for every other MMO plenty good, not sure why they never placed one in this game tbh.

    Come to think of it I think ESO is the only current MMO with no centralized server wide AH atm.
    Edited by Cpt_Teemo on February 19, 2017 12:20AM
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