Global Auction House yes or no?

Tommy_The_Gun

Yes

SHADOW2KK

No

srfrogg23 wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Ojustaboo wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Oh shock, yet another thread on this already massively beaten to death topic...

As I said above, the same sort of comment was made when people wanted text chat on the consoles, which they eventually got.

You don't want it so we shouldn't discuss it.

Well I am on PC and been here since the closed betas of 2013 and seen a billiion threads over the years about AH, no offence, but could not care less about console issues, past or present.

Plus this current topic has been discussed to death, so not a case of whether I want it or not.

It might have been discussed by you and others, the OP clearly has not shared in your experience.

Hate to break it to you, but this topic will continue to come up until Zenimax changes the system. If that bothers you, you may need to find something to do other than lurk on the forums.

LOL, sure, and I never once said it bothers me, so get your facts straight, and calm down with the projection, I just find it amusing how this topic keeps reincarnating to the same whiney drivel it normally is.

And you honestly think Zeni will change the system?

Good luck with that

If it didn't bother you, you would have ignored the thread and moved on to something more interesting. The only thing that the "whipping the dead horse" memes do is illustrate how much time and effort you put into the forums.

It's not the job of other customers to provide you with a fresh stream of forum content to peruse through.

You need to accept the fact that this is a public forum used by people who aren't experts on "all previously covered topics". You'll get there someday...maybe.

I am in awe of your delusions of how you think I should act, I will look where I wish, and fyi, I have not put a "whipping the dead horse" meme whatsoever here, but please carry on with your superior ways.

Fresh stream of content? this might be news to you, there is a feature called, cue drum roll............search function on the forums, so that this topic which has been coming up loads since the beginning of the game might not be regurgitated ad nauseum once again.

Maybe one day, you can use your vaunted knowledge to learn there are muitiple threads of the same subject again and again, and who knows, maybe use the search function yourself.

And you are right, it is a public forum, and all opinions have validity, maybe I struck a nerve with you stating the fact this topic has been done to death, so to turn your awe inspiring arrogance and projection back onto you...

You might be better to lurk on the forums and see that it is a public forum and might just realise that maybe just maybe others have differing opinions to you and not to be insulting to others who might disagree by telling them what to do, tell them to spend their personal time, need I go on?

You will get there someday....maybe

I only skimmed through some of that. The answer is No.

Nobody is going to approach your forums like a homework assignment because it will make you feel better.

Lol just lol.

And, you ran out of things to say.

I win!

Lol childish much? I suppose all your accusations and arrogance not to mention saltiness got to you if you thought our conversation was a case of winning.

Have a gold star child

snakester320

Yes

Stopnaggin wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Amazing how people so quickly forget that ESO doesn't have internet access for online shopping like we do with Amazon, and how they forget before the internet we actually had to go from store to store if we wanted something specific. Yet, they somehow expect ancient Tamriel to have internet global access... and how that type of thing would definitely be immersion breaking in a lore-based RPG.

Never heard of a trading hub ( which is what a global auction house means in a mmo )where every one goes to buy and sell there stuff in one place they had them before you were born lore breaking my arse! ..
its ridiculous to have to travel all over tamriel to find something when you could go to one place to find everything in one spot..
It's nothing more than guilds getting scared they will lose there monopoly on the markets that's all .. lore breaking is just a whaa whaa way of saying I don't want to lose my way to make money and control the markets..
How many guilds are out there that can't sell because they haven't got the funds to bid high enough on traders then ask yourself how many guilds would lose big time if you entered another 100k - 200k ppl selling stuff on a auction house.. its FEAR thats all not lore breaking!

Lol, so let's say we have an ah, you honestly think it would be harder to control a centralized spot that hundreds of individual kiosks? 100K - 200k people entering the market, I could in theory buy all the tempers, wax and rosins without having to go through the hassel of running to every kiosk and do it.

I'm in 4 trade guilds, and for those of you that think there is some sort of collusion, there isnt. Not one guild is cornering a market on anything. Prices vary quite a but if you actually look. Sorry but some things are what they are in terms of pricing. Wax, tempers and rosins are pretty standard as well as the more sought after gear. It's not a bunch of gms having a meeting saying this is what we're gonna charge.

Wow 4 there's more than 4 traders in the world .. how many of your traders own the same traders week after week .. how many guilds are there that don't get the chance to own a trader for a week..my guess you would be pretty pissed if none of your guilds could get a trader every week .. ever heard of sister guilds ?? Happens all the time where two guilds owned by the same person has more than one trader!!
Your argument has no base sure ppl can buy up all the mats etc but there will be 100-200k more players undercutting there prices till it becomes pointless to try to own the market to make 5 k off a flip..
ATM like I said it's the scared people that don't want to lose control of the market ( To clarify owning the traders week after week potentially blocking other guilds and people from selling there stuff ) because they stand to lose members and gold out of the own pockets if a Global AH is introduced that keep saying NO to a better fair for everyone system!

No one here is scared, I've had weeks where other guilds get into our regular spots, it happens. Maybe it's the people that are too damn lazy to search crying for an ah, maybe they are anti social, I really couldn't tell you. There isn't going to be 200,000 other people under cutting, you assume that those 200k people are going to try and sell the same items, it may be possible but it's not probable. Now you want to talk about undercutting, so now everyone starts undercutting to the point that all the stuff is worthless, so now who's gonna go out and farm those gold upgrade mats to sell? You gonna supply all of the players? What is with everyone thinking all the guilds are controlled by a select few. I know many gms of major guilds, it ain't happening. Yeah sister guilds one trader in one spot another somewhere else, not all the same members, so yeah. I know what bids are being thrown out for prime traders and it's not a s much as everyone thinks. Smaller guilds could easily bid for those spots with very little gold.

Same traders week after week because it's easier to have a regular customer base when they know where to find us. So yes same traders when possible. How does that not make sense? 3 of my guilds are in Elden Root, and have been for almost a year. The one sister guild is in Stormhaven. And I have regular custimers that buy my trip pots, ambrosia and assorted other stuff like motifs. They buy because the prices are fair, not gouging the crap out of everyone. So there goes the evil trader syndrome. We recruit all the time because people become inactive so there are always spots open for people to join.

You guys are unbelievable with all the conspiracy bs. Play the game for what it is, if you like the way another game works play that instead. My guess is you'd find somthing to complain about there as well though.

3 traders in elden wow in other words you need 90 spots to sell stuff when some can't even get 1.. that sound like a fair system to you? seems to me like your in the percentage of ppl that are scared to lose a strangle hold on a market.. try making money in a out of the way trader in the middle of sh.tsville my guess you will whinge the loudest!..
once again your arguments are void when you have 3 traders in a popular area and making gold while other guilds can't
WAKE UP!
Ohh FYI i have a guild with a trader in a capital city almost every week and it costs me 10k to sell..

Still doesn't exclude the fact that the system is unfair and wrong to so many other players and guilds that can't get a spot to sell there stuff which is why a AH is a much better and fairer system to all players not just rich guilds and players..

Linaleah

Yes

Personofsecrets wrote: »

One of the best parts of ESO is it's trade system. keep it that way.

eye of the beholder and all that. because its one thing about ESO that i genuinely hate. IMO its the absolute WORST part of ESO

ScooberSteve

No

This system might be hard to understand but it is better for reasons that are unclear to most

Cpt_Teemo

Yes

ScooberSteve wrote: »

This system might be hard to understand but it is better for reasons that are unclear to most

Not really, its actually the worst imo they should have changed it 2 years ago centralized server markets work best for every MMO.

Auros

No

I am against making another stock exchange sim. Personally like to grind things myself and buy in rare cases. Flipping money is too easy and takes away the joy of the game. OK you have 100 mil, buy all houses, buy all sets then what - leave to other MMO...

Cpt_Teemo

Yes

Auros wrote: »

I am against making another stock exchange sim. Personally like to grind things myself and buy in rare cases. Flipping money is too easy and takes away the joy of the game. OK you have 100 mil, buy all houses, buy all sets then what - leave to other MMO...

That's what TTC already is somewhat an auction house already, might as well just make it official and have no need for mods anymore.

Auros

No

That is why I am not buying.

Knootewoot

Yes

I do want this. I hate to visit all the guild traders to find an item to get best bargain or to figure out what price to sell it for. Also I don't like being in a trader guild because if you don't sell enough you get kicked anyway (my experience). I just want to sell stuff I don't need but don't want to make a job out of it as I want to have fun playing the game.
Also the guild traders need better filters like wildcards to search a specific item. It's a pain in the butt right now.

I understand people like this and I know it won't change anytime soon. But I would love a global auctionhouse or horse.

Auros

No

@Knootewoot You need another game - Stock Exchange Unleashed

Sharee

No

snakester320 wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Spacemonkey wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

Once again the only ppl against this are the traders monopolising the markets and scared of what it will do to there business .. argue all you want but when you see the same guilds over and over in the same area what about the other 200 maybe more guilds or the 10000+ players that have stuff to sell?

Seriously this cannot be upvoted enough.
only I'd add a 0 to the amount of players trying to sell things.
Trading Guilds are a joke. A pocket of players constantly advertising their guilds to collect more membership fees because the fact is that less than a dozen zones are decent spots for vendors, so you have about 50 slots for good vending places that the majority of players look at now and then, the rest of the slots mostly get looked at by the big trading guilds to get more mats cheaper.
Every MMO I've ever played has a way for ANY player to sell their stuff in an alternate way than spamming chat.

I mean even if it meant paying a fee to a guild vendor (that partly goes to the guild) to be able to list your item on THEIR vendor, would be acceptable in comparison. And really, there should be a way to browse all items on sale, all the time. Or at least more centralized than it is now. For example you should be able to see all items being sold in the zone by simply looking at ONE vendor. Why force you to check out and redo your searches 6 times?? And honestly that should expand to at least the immediatly adjacent zones as well. Game can force you to go to the proper vendor to buy it, but you should be able to find it and know where to go way faster than the way it is now.

You guys just don't get it. One centralized shop is a sure fire way to drive up prices. There is no way to corner the market with this system. You even stated that going to different kiosks is a pain, so why wold gms do that? There are players out there with millions that could easily buy up sought after items to inflate prices. As it stands now it's not effective to do so. The current system needs work. It needs a search function, possibly a higher player limit. I'm even for having some of the mobile merchants through out Tamriel offer a limited number of consignments.

I'm in 4 trade guilds, none of the nonsense people keep posting about a monopoly are true. The only thing going on between the gms is a promise not to bid on the others spots. Again the system needs work but I much prefer it to a global auction house.

How does the price get higher with more ppl selling?? I'm thinking your the one who doesn't get it and like the others scared of what it will do to your money / earnings if there's more volume in the market..

The price gets higher because if i can find all items in one spot and have unlimited money (like, say, a chinese gold farmer), nothing is stopping me from buying out every single unit of a desirable good (like tempers for example) and resell them at 10X the price, and continue to do so anytime anyone posts a temper with less than my price 0.01 seconds after he does, courtesy of my market manipulation bot program(TM).

Why would i do this? Because then anyone who wants to buy a temper has to buy it from me, but since the price is so ridiculously high, he won't be able to afford it by getting money from normal gameplay, and will instead be forced to get the gold from my website "www.buymygold.com" where he can get plenty, for the low low price of $24 per million. Buy now! And preferably, give us your credit card number while you do so! It will be totally safe, we promise!

Do you really want TESO to come down to this?

Knootewoot

Yes

Sharee wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Spacemonkey wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

Once again the only ppl against this are the traders monopolising the markets and scared of what it will do to there business .. argue all you want but when you see the same guilds over and over in the same area what about the other 200 maybe more guilds or the 10000+ players that have stuff to sell?

Seriously this cannot be upvoted enough.
only I'd add a 0 to the amount of players trying to sell things.
Trading Guilds are a joke. A pocket of players constantly advertising their guilds to collect more membership fees because the fact is that less than a dozen zones are decent spots for vendors, so you have about 50 slots for good vending places that the majority of players look at now and then, the rest of the slots mostly get looked at by the big trading guilds to get more mats cheaper.
Every MMO I've ever played has a way for ANY player to sell their stuff in an alternate way than spamming chat.

I mean even if it meant paying a fee to a guild vendor (that partly goes to the guild) to be able to list your item on THEIR vendor, would be acceptable in comparison. And really, there should be a way to browse all items on sale, all the time. Or at least more centralized than it is now. For example you should be able to see all items being sold in the zone by simply looking at ONE vendor. Why force you to check out and redo your searches 6 times?? And honestly that should expand to at least the immediatly adjacent zones as well. Game can force you to go to the proper vendor to buy it, but you should be able to find it and know where to go way faster than the way it is now.

You guys just don't get it. One centralized shop is a sure fire way to drive up prices. There is no way to corner the market with this system. You even stated that going to different kiosks is a pain, so why wold gms do that? There are players out there with millions that could easily buy up sought after items to inflate prices. As it stands now it's not effective to do so. The current system needs work. It needs a search function, possibly a higher player limit. I'm even for having some of the mobile merchants through out Tamriel offer a limited number of consignments.

I'm in 4 trade guilds, none of the nonsense people keep posting about a monopoly are true. The only thing going on between the gms is a promise not to bid on the others spots. Again the system needs work but I much prefer it to a global auction house.

How does the price get higher with more ppl selling?? I'm thinking your the one who doesn't get it and like the others scared of what it will do to your money / earnings if there's more volume in the market..

The price gets higher because if i can find all items in one spot and have unlimited money (like, say, a chinese gold farmer), nothing is stopping me from buying out every single unit of a desirable good (like tempers for example) and resell them at 10X the price, and continue to do so anytime anyone posts a temper with less than my price 0.01 seconds after he does, courtesy to my market manipulation bot program(TM).

Why would i do this? Because then anyone who wants to buy a temper has to buy it from me, but since the price is so ridiculously high, he won't be able to afford it by getting money from normal gameplay, and will instead be forced to get the gold from my website "www.buymygold.com" where he can get plenty, for the low low price of $24 per million. Buy now! And preferably, give us your credit card number while you do so! It will be totally safe, we promise!

Do you really want TESO to come down to this?

Or do it like BDO has where items have a min and max price which is calculated by the system. Works pretty well. No issues what you describe above.

Mayrael

No

No

Mayrael wrote: »

What global AH does is making all prices on the same lvl (you wont be able to buy something cheaper as it is now, if something is worth 20k you wont find anybody who would sell it for 15k, you will have prices like 19999, 19998 etc), it helps with creating monopoly of rare goods (there are 3 items on AH, each worth 500k, someones buys all of them, does it next day and next day if any, then after a week he starts to sell them for 2kk and buys all the rest if something is sold for lower price, all he needs to do is sit at AH. Now he would have to visit at least best trader spots and dig through them so its much much longer and harder), AH makes things harder to sell (oh Ive just refined 10 temp alloys, Im gonna sell it. Whats the lowest price? 10k ea? Ok so ill sell them for 9,5 ea. Few minutes later some guy does the same thing but he sets his price at 9499 so he is at first page with best price. Suddenly you are on 4th page after few minutes.)

Trust me Ive seen it all already in each mmo with AH. Dont go that way...

Sharee

No

Knootewoot wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Spacemonkey wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

Once again the only ppl against this are the traders monopolising the markets and scared of what it will do to there business .. argue all you want but when you see the same guilds over and over in the same area what about the other 200 maybe more guilds or the 10000+ players that have stuff to sell?

Seriously this cannot be upvoted enough.
only I'd add a 0 to the amount of players trying to sell things.
Trading Guilds are a joke. A pocket of players constantly advertising their guilds to collect more membership fees because the fact is that less than a dozen zones are decent spots for vendors, so you have about 50 slots for good vending places that the majority of players look at now and then, the rest of the slots mostly get looked at by the big trading guilds to get more mats cheaper.
Every MMO I've ever played has a way for ANY player to sell their stuff in an alternate way than spamming chat.

I mean even if it meant paying a fee to a guild vendor (that partly goes to the guild) to be able to list your item on THEIR vendor, would be acceptable in comparison. And really, there should be a way to browse all items on sale, all the time. Or at least more centralized than it is now. For example you should be able to see all items being sold in the zone by simply looking at ONE vendor. Why force you to check out and redo your searches 6 times?? And honestly that should expand to at least the immediatly adjacent zones as well. Game can force you to go to the proper vendor to buy it, but you should be able to find it and know where to go way faster than the way it is now.

You guys just don't get it. One centralized shop is a sure fire way to drive up prices. There is no way to corner the market with this system. You even stated that going to different kiosks is a pain, so why wold gms do that? There are players out there with millions that could easily buy up sought after items to inflate prices. As it stands now it's not effective to do so. The current system needs work. It needs a search function, possibly a higher player limit. I'm even for having some of the mobile merchants through out Tamriel offer a limited number of consignments.

I'm in 4 trade guilds, none of the nonsense people keep posting about a monopoly are true. The only thing going on between the gms is a promise not to bid on the others spots. Again the system needs work but I much prefer it to a global auction house.

How does the price get higher with more ppl selling?? I'm thinking your the one who doesn't get it and like the others scared of what it will do to your money / earnings if there's more volume in the market..

The price gets higher because if i can find all items in one spot and have unlimited money (like, say, a chinese gold farmer), nothing is stopping me from buying out every single unit of a desirable good (like tempers for example) and resell them at 10X the price, and continue to do so anytime anyone posts a temper with less than my price 0.01 seconds after he does, courtesy to my market manipulation bot program(TM).

Why would i do this? Because then anyone who wants to buy a temper has to buy it from me, but since the price is so ridiculously high, he won't be able to afford it by getting money from normal gameplay, and will instead be forced to get the gold from my website "www.buymygold.com" where he can get plenty, for the low low price of $24 per million. Buy now! And preferably, give us your credit card number while you do so! It will be totally safe, we promise!

Do you really want TESO to come down to this?

Or do it like BDO has where items have a min and max price which is calculated by the system. Works pretty well. No issues what you describe above.

If that happens then i will just buy out all tempers and sell them directly for $$ through my website.

Auros

No

In the end ZOS will put them in the crown store... and this is when I am gone

MakoFore

no. i like the idea of a slow economy- its the way the world is. sure there are other conveniences that skip it- make quality of life easier such as teleporting , etc- but going from shop to shop to find an item and getting a find is actually a fun thing to do. If anything i d like the shopping to become more analogue than digital and centralised. imagine a shop front for each guild store where u enter a small tent- and it opens out to a massive warehouse for each guild store- like something out of harry potter- inside on walls and shelves would be the physical items themeselves- forcing us to walk along and look and find the items physically. id prefer that - over what we have now. make it completely real and analogue- or go digital enough to make it convenient, an in store search tool would be good. but a centralised auction house for me dosent suit the world.

Coakknows

Yes

I played this game when it first came out on pc and people were asking for an AH back then. It still hasnt happened. So don't hold your breathe.

(That also was back when some people were claiming that the 5-ability slot limit was to enrich gameplay, and nothing, whatsoever, to do with consoles. lol).

Auros

No

Agree, some RNG to shopping is good for the game.

Gandrhulf_Harbard

No

Sharee wrote: »

The price gets higher because if i can find all items in one spot and have unlimited money (like, say, a chinese gold farmer), nothing is stopping me from buying out every single unit of a desirable good (like tempers for example) and resell them at 10X the price, and continue to do so anytime anyone posts a temper with less than my price 0.01 seconds after he does, courtesy of my market manipulation bot program(TM).

Why would i do this? Because then anyone who wants to buy a temper has to buy it from me, but since the price is so ridiculously high, he won't be able to afford it by getting money from normal gameplay, and will instead be forced to get the gold from my website "www.buymygold.com" where he can get plenty, for the low low price of $24 per million. Buy now! And preferably, give us your credit card number while you do so! It will be totally safe, we promise!

Do you really want TESO to come down to this?

Please stop spreading these lies.

Easier market access may indeed drive prices up - a little.
But by increasing the supply side pool by 20 times (or more) of what it currently is you'll offset that slight risk many times over.

You are talking "theoretical (and extremely theoretical at that) - what you have described has never once happened in any of the dozens of MMORPGs I have played over the last 10+ years.

Let me say that again: It Has NEVER Happened.

But with supply side restrictions in ESO meaning that maybe only 1 or 2% of the total playerbase get access to the market, and Kiosk overheads constantly on the increase the current system manifestly DOES MAKE PRICES HIGHER.

Please Note: I voted NO - I don't want a global AH - but I am very tired of all the rather obvious mistruths being told about them.

All The Best

snakester320

Yes

Sharee wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Spacemonkey wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

Once again the only ppl against this are the traders monopolising the markets and scared of what it will do to there business .. argue all you want but when you see the same guilds over and over in the same area what about the other 200 maybe more guilds or the 10000+ players that have stuff to sell?

Seriously this cannot be upvoted enough.
only I'd add a 0 to the amount of players trying to sell things.
Trading Guilds are a joke. A pocket of players constantly advertising their guilds to collect more membership fees because the fact is that less than a dozen zones are decent spots for vendors, so you have about 50 slots for good vending places that the majority of players look at now and then, the rest of the slots mostly get looked at by the big trading guilds to get more mats cheaper.
Every MMO I've ever played has a way for ANY player to sell their stuff in an alternate way than spamming chat.

I mean even if it meant paying a fee to a guild vendor (that partly goes to the guild) to be able to list your item on THEIR vendor, would be acceptable in comparison. And really, there should be a way to browse all items on sale, all the time. Or at least more centralized than it is now. For example you should be able to see all items being sold in the zone by simply looking at ONE vendor. Why force you to check out and redo your searches 6 times?? And honestly that should expand to at least the immediatly adjacent zones as well. Game can force you to go to the proper vendor to buy it, but you should be able to find it and know where to go way faster than the way it is now.

You guys just don't get it. One centralized shop is a sure fire way to drive up prices. There is no way to corner the market with this system. You even stated that going to different kiosks is a pain, so why wold gms do that? There are players out there with millions that could easily buy up sought after items to inflate prices. As it stands now it's not effective to do so. The current system needs work. It needs a search function, possibly a higher player limit. I'm even for having some of the mobile merchants through out Tamriel offer a limited number of consignments.

I'm in 4 trade guilds, none of the nonsense people keep posting about a monopoly are true. The only thing going on between the gms is a promise not to bid on the others spots. Again the system needs work but I much prefer it to a global auction house.

How does the price get higher with more ppl selling?? I'm thinking your the one who doesn't get it and like the others scared of what it will do to your money / earnings if there's more volume in the market..

The price gets higher because if i can find all items in one spot and have unlimited money (like, say, a chinese gold farmer), nothing is stopping me from buying out every single unit of a desirable good (like tempers for example) and resell them at 10X the price, and continue to do so anytime anyone posts a temper with less than my price 0.01 seconds after he does, courtesy to my market manipulation bot program(TM).

Why would i do this? Because then anyone who wants to buy a temper has to buy it from me, but since the price is so ridiculously high, he won't be able to afford it by getting money from normal gameplay, and will instead be forced to get the gold from my website "www.buymygold.com" where he can get plenty, for the low low price of $24 per million. Buy now! And preferably, give us your credit card number while you do so! It will be totally safe, we promise!

Do you really want TESO to come down to this?

Or do it like BDO has where items have a min and max price which is calculated by the system. Works pretty well. No issues what you describe above.

If that happens then i will just buy out all tempers and sell them directly for $$ through my website.

Then that's rmt hope you get reported and banned for doing so!

snakester320

Yes

Sharee wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Spacemonkey wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

Once again the only ppl against this are the traders monopolising the markets and scared of what it will do to there business .. argue all you want but when you see the same guilds over and over in the same area what about the other 200 maybe more guilds or the 10000+ players that have stuff to sell?

Seriously this cannot be upvoted enough.
only I'd add a 0 to the amount of players trying to sell things.
Trading Guilds are a joke. A pocket of players constantly advertising their guilds to collect more membership fees because the fact is that less than a dozen zones are decent spots for vendors, so you have about 50 slots for good vending places that the majority of players look at now and then, the rest of the slots mostly get looked at by the big trading guilds to get more mats cheaper.
Every MMO I've ever played has a way for ANY player to sell their stuff in an alternate way than spamming chat.

I mean even if it meant paying a fee to a guild vendor (that partly goes to the guild) to be able to list your item on THEIR vendor, would be acceptable in comparison. And really, there should be a way to browse all items on sale, all the time. Or at least more centralized than it is now. For example you should be able to see all items being sold in the zone by simply looking at ONE vendor. Why force you to check out and redo your searches 6 times?? And honestly that should expand to at least the immediatly adjacent zones as well. Game can force you to go to the proper vendor to buy it, but you should be able to find it and know where to go way faster than the way it is now.

You guys just don't get it. One centralized shop is a sure fire way to drive up prices. There is no way to corner the market with this system. You even stated that going to different kiosks is a pain, so why wold gms do that? There are players out there with millions that could easily buy up sought after items to inflate prices. As it stands now it's not effective to do so. The current system needs work. It needs a search function, possibly a higher player limit. I'm even for having some of the mobile merchants through out Tamriel offer a limited number of consignments.

I'm in 4 trade guilds, none of the nonsense people keep posting about a monopoly are true. The only thing going on between the gms is a promise not to bid on the others spots. Again the system needs work but I much prefer it to a global auction house.

How does the price get higher with more ppl selling?? I'm thinking your the one who doesn't get it and like the others scared of what it will do to your money / earnings if there's more volume in the market..

The price gets higher because if i can find all items in one spot and have unlimited money (like, say, a chinese gold farmer), nothing is stopping me from buying out every single unit of a desirable good (like tempers for example) and resell them at 10X the price, and continue to do so anytime anyone posts a temper with less than my price 0.01 seconds after he does, courtesy of my market manipulation bot program(TM).

Why would i do this? Because then anyone who wants to buy a temper has to buy it from me, but since the price is so ridiculously high, he won't be able to afford it by getting money from normal gameplay, and will instead be forced to get the gold from my website "www.buymygold.com" where he can get plenty, for the low low price of $24 per million. Buy now! And preferably, give us your credit card number while you do so! It will be totally safe, we promise!

Do you really want TESO to come down to this?

Lol buy every temper and 10x the price what you going to do with 50000 tempers that ain't selling cause ppl ain't stupid and you lose gold!!

MakoFore

no. i like the idea of a slow economy- its the way the world is. sure there are other conveniences that skip it- make quality of life easier such as teleporting , etc- but going from shop to shop to find an item and getting a find is actually a fun thing to do. If anything i d like the shopping to become more analogue than digital and centralised. imagine a shop front for each guild store where u enter a small tent- and it opens out to a massive warehouse for each guild store- like something out of harry potter- inside on walls and shelves would be the physical items themeselves- forcing us to walk along and look and find the items physically. id prefer that - over what we have now. make it completely real and analogue- or go digital enough to make it convenient, an in store search tool would be good. but a centralised auction house for me dosent suit the world.

Sharee

No

snakester320 wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Spacemonkey wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

Once again the only ppl against this are the traders monopolising the markets and scared of what it will do to there business .. argue all you want but when you see the same guilds over and over in the same area what about the other 200 maybe more guilds or the 10000+ players that have stuff to sell?

Seriously this cannot be upvoted enough.
only I'd add a 0 to the amount of players trying to sell things.
Trading Guilds are a joke. A pocket of players constantly advertising their guilds to collect more membership fees because the fact is that less than a dozen zones are decent spots for vendors, so you have about 50 slots for good vending places that the majority of players look at now and then, the rest of the slots mostly get looked at by the big trading guilds to get more mats cheaper.
Every MMO I've ever played has a way for ANY player to sell their stuff in an alternate way than spamming chat.

I mean even if it meant paying a fee to a guild vendor (that partly goes to the guild) to be able to list your item on THEIR vendor, would be acceptable in comparison. And really, there should be a way to browse all items on sale, all the time. Or at least more centralized than it is now. For example you should be able to see all items being sold in the zone by simply looking at ONE vendor. Why force you to check out and redo your searches 6 times?? And honestly that should expand to at least the immediatly adjacent zones as well. Game can force you to go to the proper vendor to buy it, but you should be able to find it and know where to go way faster than the way it is now.

You guys just don't get it. One centralized shop is a sure fire way to drive up prices. There is no way to corner the market with this system. You even stated that going to different kiosks is a pain, so why wold gms do that? There are players out there with millions that could easily buy up sought after items to inflate prices. As it stands now it's not effective to do so. The current system needs work. It needs a search function, possibly a higher player limit. I'm even for having some of the mobile merchants through out Tamriel offer a limited number of consignments.

I'm in 4 trade guilds, none of the nonsense people keep posting about a monopoly are true. The only thing going on between the gms is a promise not to bid on the others spots. Again the system needs work but I much prefer it to a global auction house.

How does the price get higher with more ppl selling?? I'm thinking your the one who doesn't get it and like the others scared of what it will do to your money / earnings if there's more volume in the market..

The price gets higher because if i can find all items in one spot and have unlimited money (like, say, a chinese gold farmer), nothing is stopping me from buying out every single unit of a desirable good (like tempers for example) and resell them at 10X the price, and continue to do so anytime anyone posts a temper with less than my price 0.01 seconds after he does, courtesy to my market manipulation bot program(TM).

Why would i do this? Because then anyone who wants to buy a temper has to buy it from me, but since the price is so ridiculously high, he won't be able to afford it by getting money from normal gameplay, and will instead be forced to get the gold from my website "www.buymygold.com" where he can get plenty, for the low low price of $24 per million. Buy now! And preferably, give us your credit card number while you do so! It will be totally safe, we promise!

Do you really want TESO to come down to this?

Or do it like BDO has where items have a min and max price which is calculated by the system. Works pretty well. No issues what you describe above.

If that happens then i will just buy out all tempers and sell them directly for $$ through my website.

Then that's rmt hope you get reported and banned for doing so!

I sure hope i would get banned if i was doing such thing, unfortunately these guys just buy a new account and continue on their merry way (with that credit card number you gave them when buying their gold)

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Sharee

No

snakester320 wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Spacemonkey wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

Once again the only ppl against this are the traders monopolising the markets and scared of what it will do to there business .. argue all you want but when you see the same guilds over and over in the same area what about the other 200 maybe more guilds or the 10000+ players that have stuff to sell?

Seriously this cannot be upvoted enough.
only I'd add a 0 to the amount of players trying to sell things.
Trading Guilds are a joke. A pocket of players constantly advertising their guilds to collect more membership fees because the fact is that less than a dozen zones are decent spots for vendors, so you have about 50 slots for good vending places that the majority of players look at now and then, the rest of the slots mostly get looked at by the big trading guilds to get more mats cheaper.
Every MMO I've ever played has a way for ANY player to sell their stuff in an alternate way than spamming chat.

I mean even if it meant paying a fee to a guild vendor (that partly goes to the guild) to be able to list your item on THEIR vendor, would be acceptable in comparison. And really, there should be a way to browse all items on sale, all the time. Or at least more centralized than it is now. For example you should be able to see all items being sold in the zone by simply looking at ONE vendor. Why force you to check out and redo your searches 6 times?? And honestly that should expand to at least the immediatly adjacent zones as well. Game can force you to go to the proper vendor to buy it, but you should be able to find it and know where to go way faster than the way it is now.

You guys just don't get it. One centralized shop is a sure fire way to drive up prices. There is no way to corner the market with this system. You even stated that going to different kiosks is a pain, so why wold gms do that? There are players out there with millions that could easily buy up sought after items to inflate prices. As it stands now it's not effective to do so. The current system needs work. It needs a search function, possibly a higher player limit. I'm even for having some of the mobile merchants through out Tamriel offer a limited number of consignments.

I'm in 4 trade guilds, none of the nonsense people keep posting about a monopoly are true. The only thing going on between the gms is a promise not to bid on the others spots. Again the system needs work but I much prefer it to a global auction house.

How does the price get higher with more ppl selling?? I'm thinking your the one who doesn't get it and like the others scared of what it will do to your money / earnings if there's more volume in the market..

The price gets higher because if i can find all items in one spot and have unlimited money (like, say, a chinese gold farmer), nothing is stopping me from buying out every single unit of a desirable good (like tempers for example) and resell them at 10X the price, and continue to do so anytime anyone posts a temper with less than my price 0.01 seconds after he does, courtesy of my market manipulation bot program(TM).

Why would i do this? Because then anyone who wants to buy a temper has to buy it from me, but since the price is so ridiculously high, he won't be able to afford it by getting money from normal gameplay, and will instead be forced to get the gold from my website "www.buymygold.com" where he can get plenty, for the low low price of $24 per million. Buy now! And preferably, give us your credit card number while you do so! It will be totally safe, we promise!

Do you really want TESO to come down to this?

Lol buy every temper and 10x the price what you going to do with 50000 tempers that ain't selling cause ppl ain't stupid and you lose gold!!

Ppl aint stupid, but if buying the tempers from me is the only option they got, what are they going to do? Play with purple weapons? Against ppl who did buy gold/tempers from me? Yes, that's the definition of pay-to-win. See where a global AH eventually leads?

Right now, it is simply impossible to buy out all tempers since there are too many sources to effectively control. Thats why the TESO market system is good.

Auros

No

ZOS are clever enough to not destruct the game, so breathe

Cherryblossom

Yes

As always you get those lucky minority who happen to be in guilds with Traders in prime locations, not wanting their monopoly to end.

I hope one day ZOS realises how the current system abandons the majority of the player base.

Auros

No

AH was completely removed from Diablo III due to playerbase request and it worked quite well. Oh yea all who needed a business sim found another one - for real.

snakester320

Yes

Sharee wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Spacemonkey wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

Once again the only ppl against this are the traders monopolising the markets and scared of what it will do to there business .. argue all you want but when you see the same guilds over and over in the same area what about the other 200 maybe more guilds or the 10000+ players that have stuff to sell?

Seriously this cannot be upvoted enough.
only I'd add a 0 to the amount of players trying to sell things.
Trading Guilds are a joke. A pocket of players constantly advertising their guilds to collect more membership fees because the fact is that less than a dozen zones are decent spots for vendors, so you have about 50 slots for good vending places that the majority of players look at now and then, the rest of the slots mostly get looked at by the big trading guilds to get more mats cheaper.
Every MMO I've ever played has a way for ANY player to sell their stuff in an alternate way than spamming chat.

I mean even if it meant paying a fee to a guild vendor (that partly goes to the guild) to be able to list your item on THEIR vendor, would be acceptable in comparison. And really, there should be a way to browse all items on sale, all the time. Or at least more centralized than it is now. For example you should be able to see all items being sold in the zone by simply looking at ONE vendor. Why force you to check out and redo your searches 6 times?? And honestly that should expand to at least the immediatly adjacent zones as well. Game can force you to go to the proper vendor to buy it, but you should be able to find it and know where to go way faster than the way it is now.

You guys just don't get it. One centralized shop is a sure fire way to drive up prices. There is no way to corner the market with this system. You even stated that going to different kiosks is a pain, so why wold gms do that? There are players out there with millions that could easily buy up sought after items to inflate prices. As it stands now it's not effective to do so. The current system needs work. It needs a search function, possibly a higher player limit. I'm even for having some of the mobile merchants through out Tamriel offer a limited number of consignments.

I'm in 4 trade guilds, none of the nonsense people keep posting about a monopoly are true. The only thing going on between the gms is a promise not to bid on the others spots. Again the system needs work but I much prefer it to a global auction house.

How does the price get higher with more ppl selling?? I'm thinking your the one who doesn't get it and like the others scared of what it will do to your money / earnings if there's more volume in the market..

The price gets higher because if i can find all items in one spot and have unlimited money (like, say, a chinese gold farmer), nothing is stopping me from buying out every single unit of a desirable good (like tempers for example) and resell them at 10X the price, and continue to do so anytime anyone posts a temper with less than my price 0.01 seconds after he does, courtesy to my market manipulation bot program(TM).

Why would i do this? Because then anyone who wants to buy a temper has to buy it from me, but since the price is so ridiculously high, he won't be able to afford it by getting money from normal gameplay, and will instead be forced to get the gold from my website "www.buymygold.com" where he can get plenty, for the low low price of $24 per million. Buy now! And preferably, give us your credit card number while you do so! It will be totally safe, we promise!

Do you really want TESO to come down to this?

Or do it like BDO has where items have a min and max price which is calculated by the system. Works pretty well. No issues what you describe above.

If that happens then i will just buy out all tempers and sell them directly for $$ through my website.

Then that's rmt hope you get reported and banned for doing so!

I sure hope i would get banned if i was doing such thing, unfortunately these guys just buy a new account and continue on their merry way (with that credit card number you gave them when buying their gold)

Unlike you I'm sure my gold is legitimate but good luck to your silly ideas and lies on systems you clearly know nothing about!