Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

User_Name wrote: »

When I am fighting a world boss or doing dolmens, and one of those light attack bow builds turn up, I sometimes cloak and let the NPC's aggro him instead. Maybe that's cruel, but a lot of bow types are just +1'ers, not really doing anything for neither themselves nor anyone else, just leeching, and if the NPC's insta him anyways the moment they turn on him I think it's fair to assume he wasn't really pulling his weight. Maybe it's bad. Maybe ESO made me a petty person, lol.

I don't even blame you. I honestly don't. And between you and me? I'm contemplating doing something similar when they come along from now on.

It looks to me you created DISCUSSION and then do everything in your power to ignore all counter facts to your view, yet have time to give pat on the back to anyone who agrees with you.

@sodantokb16_ESO Hm? I did what now? I beg to differ. If you look throughout this thread, I've agreed with a few people here and there with a difference of opinion than mine. I even said how I'm over stressing what people do in overland content, as in the end — it is what it is. Which is overland content. If people get a thrill out of using bow builds and double bows, then whatever. If people want to use said things in dungeons (normal and or veteran), then so be it. As I can easily remedy this frustration by continuing to easily solo content, and or play with friends/guildies. Therefore not subjecting myself to something that I dislike, or even giving the opportunity for me to be exposed to a possibly nuisance.

Also, this thread generated a bit of insightful responses, in my opinion. It in a sense gave me a bit more of a insight as to where the community stands toward certain things (forum-wise), and their said feelings. All of which pretty educational. Do I agree with the majority of it? No. But that's okay too, as this IS a forum at the end of the day. A place where I will come into contact with things that I may disagree with and dislike. But, am I going to make personal attacks like some people here have and be immaturity about things? N'ah, not really. Lol. I'm just going to go about handling things how I do choose, and as I've been handling them. That's all.

Oh, and by the way. A bit off-topic, but a huge shoutout to the admins and mods of these forums who keep the nonsense at a bare minimum and keep things clean. Y'all the real MVP, and if I could I'd give you guys awesome for days. You all make these forums less like 4chan, and I dig that a lot. Big ups to you guys.

Sorry dude can't worm yourself out of this one.

You clearly have a prejudice against bow users, and claimed in your OP that bow builds are not viable. Dispite the numerous evidence against these claims that you ignore for whatever reason.

Instead of whining grow up and lets discuss how bow can be improved to be a main weapon OR state your reasoning as to why it shouldn't be one.

@Anti_Virus 1 question, and 1 question only... How could I have a prejudice against bow users, when every stamina-based character I have utilizes a bow as their main hand backup? Actually, don't answer that. I don't feel like walking in circles anymore. People will think what they want to think, and that's fine. If people feel as though bow builds are viable? That's fine. Do I feel so? No. And that's fine.

Admins and mods, you can close this thread if you'd feel it best for the forums. I'm tired of people's personal attacks, and being forced to place numerous people on ignore for them. I figured it could be a civilized debate/discussion, but as always with my threads — people have to resort to pettiness and personal attacks. As well as straight forward rudeness. And honestly? It's a Friday. Things are amazing. I got my second sharpened Moondancer inferno staff, as well as helped a buddy get their skin. Things are wonderful, and I just don't feel like being brought down with the pettiness and negativity.

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Guys, can we please just stop with the bow build nonsense? Please? I don't mean to come off as an elitist. I don't mean to come off as a jerk, nor am I trying to tell someone how to play their game (to a degree). But can we please stop with the bow builds in PvE? It's ridiculous.

I'm tired of going to a dolmen, and seeing no lie waves of people DPS dancing while using Bow light attacks. Or joining a random veteran dungeon via group finder to help lend a hand, only to come across another DPS with double bow or bow and 2H. Using the 2H only to heal, and resume casting bow skills and light attacks. It's silly at this point. Dolmen, world boss, dungeon, etc. It's like these dudes are everywhere! Stahp! :c

And what irks me even more...? Is when I try to explain to folks that it isn't that they're using a bow that's bad, as I use a bow on my backbar on stamina-based characters. But that they're building completely around the bow, and expecting high damage. No. It doesn't work that way. Endless Hail. Poison Injection. That's it. You're good. You don't need anymore bow skills. I promise. You're just taking up slots that could be used for better: Damage, sustain, and or utility.

This. Is. NOT. Skyrim. I love Skyrim. I think it's a wonderful game, in regards to it's: Combat system, lore, gear design, crafting system, interaction with the world, etc. Skyrim is great. Yes. An excellent game. But ESO is NOT Skyrim. Just because you can light attack and do all your trick shots in Skyrim to gain easy kills, does not mean it will work on a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT game. /EndRant

Edit: I just don't see why so many damn people gravitate toward bows/sniper-related weaponry for their main weapon choice, especially when looking at things for what they are. It's not just on ESO. It's on Overwatch too. As well as other games that a sniper is playable. "Ermagerd a sniper! I must pick them!" "OMG! A sniper rifle! Let me go and make use of this, even though it's completely impractical for the given situation and environment!" "What!? This game has a means of me to snipe!? Sorry guys, but I'm gonna go snipe. And don't try to tell me otherwise of how to play my game."

Why is it so popular to be an archer/bowman suddenly? On paper it doesn't even seem too logical, as at close range you're screwed. Ugh.

Toto2Thumbs wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Guys, can we please just stop with the bow build nonsense? Please? I don't mean to come off as an elitist. I don't mean to come off as a jerk, nor am I trying to tell someone how to play their game (to a degree). But can we please stop with the bow builds in PvE? It's ridiculous.

I'm tired of going to a dolmen, and seeing no lie waves of people DPS dancing while using Bow light attacks. Or joining a random veteran dungeon via group finder to help lend a hand, only to come across another DPS with double bow or bow and 2H. Using the 2H only to heal, and resume casting bow skills and light attacks. It's silly at this point. Dolmen, world boss, dungeon, etc. It's like these dudes are everywhere! Stahp! :c

And what irks me even more...? Is when I try to explain to folks that it isn't that they're using a bow that's bad, as I use a bow on my backbar on stamina-based characters. But that they're building completely around the bow, and expecting high damage. No. It doesn't work that way. Endless Hail. Poison Injection. That's it. You're good. You don't need anymore bow skills. I promise. You're just taking up slots that could be used for better: Damage, sustain, and or utility.

This. Is. NOT. Skyrim. I love Skyrim. I think it's a wonderful game, in regards to it's: Combat system, lore, gear design, crafting system, interaction with the world, etc. Skyrim is great. Yes. An excellent game. But ESO is NOT Skyrim. Just because you can light attack and do all your trick shots in Skyrim to gain easy kills, does not mean it will work on a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT game. /EndRant

Edit: I just don't see why so many damn people gravitate toward bows/sniper-related weaponry for their main weapon choice, especially when looking at things for what they are. It's not just on ESO. It's on Overwatch too. As well as other games that a sniper is playable. "Ermagerd a sniper! I must pick them!" "OMG! A sniper rifle! Let me go and make use of this, even though it's completely impractical for the given situation and environment!" "What!? This game has a means of me to snipe!? Sorry guys, but I'm gonna go snipe. And don't try to tell me otherwise of how to play my game."

Why is it so popular to be an archer/bowman suddenly? On paper it doesn't even seem too logical, as at close range you're screwed. Ugh.

This is like someone getting annoyed with you because you're using a stamina build and he's explaining how magicka builds in PVE are #1

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

User_Name wrote: »

When I am fighting a world boss or doing dolmens, and one of those light attack bow builds turn up, I sometimes cloak and let the NPC's aggro him instead. Maybe that's cruel, but a lot of bow types are just +1'ers, not really doing anything for neither themselves nor anyone else, just leeching, and if the NPC's insta him anyways the moment they turn on him I think it's fair to assume he wasn't really pulling his weight. Maybe it's bad. Maybe ESO made me a petty person, lol.

I don't even blame you. I honestly don't. And between you and me? I'm contemplating doing something similar when they come along from now on.

It looks to me you created DISCUSSION and then do everything in your power to ignore all counter facts to your view, yet have time to give pat on the back to anyone who agrees with you.

@sodantokb16_ESO Hm? I did what now? I beg to differ. If you look throughout this thread, I've agreed with a few people here and there with a difference of opinion than mine. I even said how I'm over stressing what people do in overland content, as in the end — it is what it is. Which is overland content. If people get a thrill out of using bow builds and double bows, then whatever. If people want to use said things in dungeons (normal and or veteran), then so be it. As I can easily remedy this frustration by continuing to easily solo content, and or play with friends/guildies. Therefore not subjecting myself to something that I dislike, or even giving the opportunity for me to be exposed to a possibly nuisance.

Also, this thread generated a bit of insightful responses, in my opinion. It in a sense gave me a bit more of a insight as to where the community stands toward certain things (forum-wise), and their said feelings. All of which pretty educational. Do I agree with the majority of it? No. But that's okay too, as this IS a forum at the end of the day. A place where I will come into contact with things that I may disagree with and dislike. But, am I going to make personal attacks like some people here have and be immaturity about things? N'ah, not really. Lol. I'm just going to go about handling things how I do choose, and as I've been handling them. That's all.

Oh, and by the way. A bit off-topic, but a huge shoutout to the admins and mods of these forums who keep the nonsense at a bare minimum and keep things clean. Y'all the real MVP, and if I could I'd give you guys awesome for days. You all make these forums less like 4chan, and I dig that a lot. Big ups to you guys.

Sorry dude can't worm yourself out of this one.

You clearly have a prejudice against bow users, and claimed in your OP that bow builds are not viable. Dispite the numerous evidence against these claims that you ignore for whatever reason.

Instead of whining grow up and lets discuss how bow can be improved to be a main weapon OR state your reasoning as to why it shouldn't be one.

@Anti_Virus 1 question, and 1 question only... How could I have a prejudice against bow users, when every stamina-based character I have utilizes a bow as their main hand backup? Actually, don't answer that. I don't feel like walking in circles anymore. People will think what they want to think, and that's fine. If people feel as though bow builds are viable? That's fine. Do I feel so? No. And that's fine.

Admins and mods, you can close this thread if you'd feel it best for the forums. I'm tired of people's personal attacks, and being forced to place numerous people on ignore for them. I figured it could be a civilized debate/discussion, but as always with my threads — people have to resort to pettiness and personal attacks. As well as straight forward rudeness. And honestly? It's a Friday. Things are amazing. I got my second sharpened Moondancer inferno staff, as well as helped a buddy get their skin. Things are wonderful, and I just don't feel like being brought down with the pettiness and negativity.

@Ch4mpTW 1 question, and 1 question only... Why are you still steadfastly failing to address the pure bow builds that have been shown in this thread to produce end-game level DPS? I've lost count of how many times people have asked you to comment on them (including the post that you were just replying to - and yet somehow in your reply you completely ignored that).

@UrQuan I have no idea what my comment on it will do for said people, but want my comment on it?

Alright. Here's my comment: "Cool. You were able to suppy solid DPS with a bow build, and or know a few people here and there out of thousands to do so. Great. I hope you continue doing what makes you happy, even if that is using bow builds. Whatever floats your boat. Will I use a bow build? Hell no. Will I ever attempt 1? Nope. Lol. Will those I run with do so? Never. Is that a diss to bow builds? Not even close." There. There is my statement.

If people love bow builds, or bows, or snipers, or whatever so much that they even bring them into trial runs such as VMoL or leaderboard runs. That's absolutely fine, so long as it has nothing to do with me. That's all.

As for do I want ZOS to buff bows? Sure. Why not. I mean I use them on my back bar, so why not? It couldn't hurt, in my opinion. So why not make them stronger, if so many people wish for it to be so.

Hopefully that will satisfy those who repeatedly asking for take on things, and asking for me to comment on it. And I'll say it again, just in case if people misread it. If you like bow builds, and can pull amazing numbers with it some how, that's great. Fantastic. Continue to do you, and do what makes you smile. All I ask is that if by some off chance we are grouped up by some means or another, all I ask is you do NOT use double bows. That's all.

Edit: And for those who believe in this super elitist snob, who believes in following a strict meta? And is super toxic towards those whom are different? You're entitled to believe whatever it is you wish to believe. Although, I can only speak for myself that I am actually the polar opposite of that. And anyone who is active on the forums, but also plays with me in-game can say the same exact thing about me such as: @Mortehl @Vaoh @SublimeSparo @UltimaJoe777 and many more who's forum handles I can't remember off the top of my was. As again I myself have been known to do things out of the usual. I mean, I got Flawless Conqueror with a pet build. Way before all the benefits and buffs it received, and always preferred pet builds to the typical run of the mill Sorcerers. So that alone should speak volumes. But again, it is what it is. Knock yourselves out.

cpuScientist wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

User_Name wrote: »

When I am fighting a world boss or doing dolmens, and one of those light attack bow builds turn up, I sometimes cloak and let the NPC's aggro him instead. Maybe that's cruel, but a lot of bow types are just +1'ers, not really doing anything for neither themselves nor anyone else, just leeching, and if the NPC's insta him anyways the moment they turn on him I think it's fair to assume he wasn't really pulling his weight. Maybe it's bad. Maybe ESO made me a petty person, lol.

I don't even blame you. I honestly don't. And between you and me? I'm contemplating doing something similar when they come along from now on.

It looks to me you created DISCUSSION and then do everything in your power to ignore all counter facts to your view, yet have time to give pat on the back to anyone who agrees with you.

@sodantokb16_ESO Hm? I did what now? I beg to differ. If you look throughout this thread, I've agreed with a few people here and there with a difference of opinion than mine. I even said how I'm over stressing what people do in overland content, as in the end — it is what it is. Which is overland content. If people get a thrill out of using bow builds and double bows, then whatever. If people want to use said things in dungeons (normal and or veteran), then so be it. As I can easily remedy this frustration by continuing to easily solo content, and or play with friends/guildies. Therefore not subjecting myself to something that I dislike, or even giving the opportunity for me to be exposed to a possibly nuisance.

Also, this thread generated a bit of insightful responses, in my opinion. It in a sense gave me a bit more of a insight as to where the community stands toward certain things (forum-wise), and their said feelings. All of which pretty educational. Do I agree with the majority of it? No. But that's okay too, as this IS a forum at the end of the day. A place where I will come into contact with things that I may disagree with and dislike. But, am I going to make personal attacks like some people here have and be immaturity about things? N'ah, not really. Lol. I'm just going to go about handling things how I do choose, and as I've been handling them. That's all.

Oh, and by the way. A bit off-topic, but a huge shoutout to the admins and mods of these forums who keep the nonsense at a bare minimum and keep things clean. Y'all the real MVP, and if I could I'd give you guys awesome for days. You all make these forums less like 4chan, and I dig that a lot. Big ups to you guys.

Sorry dude can't worm yourself out of this one.

You clearly have a prejudice against bow users, and claimed in your OP that bow builds are not viable. Dispite the numerous evidence against these claims that you ignore for whatever reason.

Instead of whining grow up and lets discuss how bow can be improved to be a main weapon OR state your reasoning as to why it shouldn't be one.

@Anti_Virus 1 question, and 1 question only... How could I have a prejudice against bow users, when every stamina-based character I have utilizes a bow as their main hand backup? Actually, don't answer that. I don't feel like walking in circles anymore. People will think what they want to think, and that's fine. If people feel as though bow builds are viable? That's fine. Do I feel so? No. And that's fine.

Admins and mods, you can close this thread if you'd feel it best for the forums. I'm tired of people's personal attacks, and being forced to place numerous people on ignore for them. I figured it could be a civilized debate/discussion, but as always with my threads — people have to resort to pettiness and personal attacks. As well as straight forward rudeness. And honestly? It's a Friday. Things are amazing. I got my second sharpened Moondancer inferno staff, as well as helped a buddy get their skin. Things are wonderful, and I just don't feel like being brought down with the pettiness and negativity.

@Ch4mpTW 1 question, and 1 question only... Why are you still steadfastly failing to address the pure bow builds that have been shown in this thread to produce end-game level DPS? I've lost count of how many times people have asked you to comment on them (including the post that you were just replying to - and yet somehow in your reply you completely ignored that).

@UrQuan I have no idea what my comment on it will do for said people, but want my comment on it?

Alright. Here's my comment: "Cool. You were able to suppy solid DPS with a bow build, and or know a few people here and there out of thousands to do so. Great. I hope you continue doing what makes you happy, even if that is using bow builds. Whatever floats your boat. Will I use a bow build? Hell no. Will I ever attempt 1? Nope. Lol. Will those I run with do so? Never. Is that a diss to bow builds? Not even close." There. There is my statement.

If people love bow builds, or bows, or snipers, or whatever so much that they even bring them into trial runs such as VMoL or leaderboard runs. That's absolutely fine, so long as it has nothing to do with me. That's all.

As for do I want ZOS to buff bows? Sure. Why not. I mean I use them on my back bar, so why not? It couldn't hurt, in my opinion. So why not make them stronger, if so many people wish for it to be so.

Hopefully that will satisfy those who repeatedly asking for take on things, and asking for me to comment on it. And I'll say it again, just in case if people misread it. If you like bow builds, and can pull amazing numbers with it some how, that's great. Fantastic. Continue to do you, and do what makes you smile. All I ask is that if by some off chance we are grouped up by some means or another, all I ask is you do NOT use double bows. That's all.

Edit: And for those who believe in this super elitist snob, who believes in following a strict meta? And is super toxic towards those whom are different? You're entitled to believe whatever it is you wish to believe. Although, I can only speak for myself that I am actually the polar opposite of that. And anyone who is active on the forums, but also plays with me in-game can say the same exact thing about me such as: @Mortehl @Vaoh @SublimeSparo @UltimaJoe777 and many more who's forum handles I can't remember off the top of my was. As again I myself have been known to do things out of the usual. I mean, I got Flawless Conqueror with a pet build. Way before all the benefits and buffs it received, and always preferred pet builds to the typical run of the mill Sorcerers. So that alone should speak volumes. But again, it is what it is. Knock yourselves out.

But why not I'd they are pulling end game DPS. Now if it were pulling 10-20k under normal. Then that's horrible. But they are pulling just as high as everyone else. And have a benefit over regular stam in that they are not falling over dead. Such a weird stance lol. Is it that it kills your immersion or something. It's like saying these two things do the same thing but that other one is horrible cause its not what I am used to....

But like you said to each there own.

Also pet's in VMA are great. I did it back when the scamp used to explode. They pull aggro. Makes it alot easier.

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

User_Name wrote: »

When I am fighting a world boss or doing dolmens, and one of those light attack bow builds turn up, I sometimes cloak and let the NPC's aggro him instead. Maybe that's cruel, but a lot of bow types are just +1'ers, not really doing anything for neither themselves nor anyone else, just leeching, and if the NPC's insta him anyways the moment they turn on him I think it's fair to assume he wasn't really pulling his weight. Maybe it's bad. Maybe ESO made me a petty person, lol.

I don't even blame you. I honestly don't. And between you and me? I'm contemplating doing something similar when they come along from now on.

It looks to me you created DISCUSSION and then do everything in your power to ignore all counter facts to your view, yet have time to give pat on the back to anyone who agrees with you.

@sodantokb16_ESO Hm? I did what now? I beg to differ. If you look throughout this thread, I've agreed with a few people here and there with a difference of opinion than mine. I even said how I'm over stressing what people do in overland content, as in the end — it is what it is. Which is overland content. If people get a thrill out of using bow builds and double bows, then whatever. If people want to use said things in dungeons (normal and or veteran), then so be it. As I can easily remedy this frustration by continuing to easily solo content, and or play with friends/guildies. Therefore not subjecting myself to something that I dislike, or even giving the opportunity for me to be exposed to a possibly nuisance.

Also, this thread generated a bit of insightful responses, in my opinion. It in a sense gave me a bit more of a insight as to where the community stands toward certain things (forum-wise), and their said feelings. All of which pretty educational. Do I agree with the majority of it? No. But that's okay too, as this IS a forum at the end of the day. A place where I will come into contact with things that I may disagree with and dislike. But, am I going to make personal attacks like some people here have and be immaturity about things? N'ah, not really. Lol. I'm just going to go about handling things how I do choose, and as I've been handling them. That's all.

Oh, and by the way. A bit off-topic, but a huge shoutout to the admins and mods of these forums who keep the nonsense at a bare minimum and keep things clean. Y'all the real MVP, and if I could I'd give you guys awesome for days. You all make these forums less like 4chan, and I dig that a lot. Big ups to you guys.

Sorry dude can't worm yourself out of this one.

You clearly have a prejudice against bow users, and claimed in your OP that bow builds are not viable. Dispite the numerous evidence against these claims that you ignore for whatever reason.

Instead of whining grow up and lets discuss how bow can be improved to be a main weapon OR state your reasoning as to why it shouldn't be one.

@Anti_Virus 1 question, and 1 question only... How could I have a prejudice against bow users, when every stamina-based character I have utilizes a bow as their main hand backup? Actually, don't answer that. I don't feel like walking in circles anymore. People will think what they want to think, and that's fine. If people feel as though bow builds are viable? That's fine. Do I feel so? No. And that's fine.

Admins and mods, you can close this thread if you'd feel it best for the forums. I'm tired of people's personal attacks, and being forced to place numerous people on ignore for them. I figured it could be a civilized debate/discussion, but as always with my threads — people have to resort to pettiness and personal attacks. As well as straight forward rudeness. And honestly? It's a Friday. Things are amazing. I got my second sharpened Moondancer inferno staff, as well as helped a buddy get their skin. Things are wonderful, and I just don't feel like being brought down with the pettiness and negativity.

@Ch4mpTW 1 question, and 1 question only... Why are you still steadfastly failing to address the pure bow builds that have been shown in this thread to produce end-game level DPS? I've lost count of how many times people have asked you to comment on them (including the post that you were just replying to - and yet somehow in your reply you completely ignored that).

@UrQuan I have no idea what my comment on it will do for said people, but want my comment on it?

Alright. Here's my comment: "Cool. You were able to suppy solid DPS with a bow build, and or know a few people here and there out of thousands to do so. Great. I hope you continue doing what makes you happy, even if that is using bow builds. Whatever floats your boat. Will I use a bow build? Hell no. Will I ever attempt 1? Nope. Lol. Will those I run with do so? Never. Is that a diss to bow builds? Not even close." There. There is my statement.

If people love bow builds, or bows, or snipers, or whatever so much that they even bring them into trial runs such as VMoL or leaderboard runs. That's absolutely fine, so long as it has nothing to do with me. That's all.

As for do I want ZOS to buff bows? Sure. Why not. I mean I use them on my back bar, so why not? It couldn't hurt, in my opinion. So why not make them stronger, if so many people wish for it to be so.

Hopefully that will satisfy those who repeatedly asking for take on things, and asking for me to comment on it. And I'll say it again, just in case if people misread it. If you like bow builds, and can pull amazing numbers with it some how, that's great. Fantastic. Continue to do you, and do what makes you smile. All I ask is that if by some off chance we are grouped up by some means or another, all I ask is you do NOT use double bows. That's all.

So then you agree that bow builds are viable (because if they weren't then it would be impossible for people to do solid end-game DPS with them), you just don't want to do group content with people using them because you feel that most people using bow builds aren't doing them well enough. OK, thread done. Was that so hard?

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

User_Name wrote: »

When I am fighting a world boss or doing dolmens, and one of those light attack bow builds turn up, I sometimes cloak and let the NPC's aggro him instead. Maybe that's cruel, but a lot of bow types are just +1'ers, not really doing anything for neither themselves nor anyone else, just leeching, and if the NPC's insta him anyways the moment they turn on him I think it's fair to assume he wasn't really pulling his weight. Maybe it's bad. Maybe ESO made me a petty person, lol.

I don't even blame you. I honestly don't. And between you and me? I'm contemplating doing something similar when they come along from now on.

It looks to me you created DISCUSSION and then do everything in your power to ignore all counter facts to your view, yet have time to give pat on the back to anyone who agrees with you.

@sodantokb16_ESO Hm? I did what now? I beg to differ. If you look throughout this thread, I've agreed with a few people here and there with a difference of opinion than mine. I even said how I'm over stressing what people do in overland content, as in the end — it is what it is. Which is overland content. If people get a thrill out of using bow builds and double bows, then whatever. If people want to use said things in dungeons (normal and or veteran), then so be it. As I can easily remedy this frustration by continuing to easily solo content, and or play with friends/guildies. Therefore not subjecting myself to something that I dislike, or even giving the opportunity for me to be exposed to a possibly nuisance.

Also, this thread generated a bit of insightful responses, in my opinion. It in a sense gave me a bit more of a insight as to where the community stands toward certain things (forum-wise), and their said feelings. All of which pretty educational. Do I agree with the majority of it? No. But that's okay too, as this IS a forum at the end of the day. A place where I will come into contact with things that I may disagree with and dislike. But, am I going to make personal attacks like some people here have and be immaturity about things? N'ah, not really. Lol. I'm just going to go about handling things how I do choose, and as I've been handling them. That's all.

Oh, and by the way. A bit off-topic, but a huge shoutout to the admins and mods of these forums who keep the nonsense at a bare minimum and keep things clean. Y'all the real MVP, and if I could I'd give you guys awesome for days. You all make these forums less like 4chan, and I dig that a lot. Big ups to you guys.

Sorry dude can't worm yourself out of this one.

You clearly have a prejudice against bow users, and claimed in your OP that bow builds are not viable. Dispite the numerous evidence against these claims that you ignore for whatever reason.

Instead of whining grow up and lets discuss how bow can be improved to be a main weapon OR state your reasoning as to why it shouldn't be one.

Prejudice against bow users.

Yes, all five of them.

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

User_Name wrote: »

When I am fighting a world boss or doing dolmens, and one of those light attack bow builds turn up, I sometimes cloak and let the NPC's aggro him instead. Maybe that's cruel, but a lot of bow types are just +1'ers, not really doing anything for neither themselves nor anyone else, just leeching, and if the NPC's insta him anyways the moment they turn on him I think it's fair to assume he wasn't really pulling his weight. Maybe it's bad. Maybe ESO made me a petty person, lol.

I don't even blame you. I honestly don't. And between you and me? I'm contemplating doing something similar when they come along from now on.

It looks to me you created DISCUSSION and then do everything in your power to ignore all counter facts to your view, yet have time to give pat on the back to anyone who agrees with you.

@sodantokb16_ESO Hm? I did what now? I beg to differ. If you look throughout this thread, I've agreed with a few people here and there with a difference of opinion than mine. I even said how I'm over stressing what people do in overland content, as in the end — it is what it is. Which is overland content. If people get a thrill out of using bow builds and double bows, then whatever. If people want to use said things in dungeons (normal and or veteran), then so be it. As I can easily remedy this frustration by continuing to easily solo content, and or play with friends/guildies. Therefore not subjecting myself to something that I dislike, or even giving the opportunity for me to be exposed to a possibly nuisance.

Also, this thread generated a bit of insightful responses, in my opinion. It in a sense gave me a bit more of a insight as to where the community stands toward certain things (forum-wise), and their said feelings. All of which pretty educational. Do I agree with the majority of it? No. But that's okay too, as this IS a forum at the end of the day. A place where I will come into contact with things that I may disagree with and dislike. But, am I going to make personal attacks like some people here have and be immaturity about things? N'ah, not really. Lol. I'm just going to go about handling things how I do choose, and as I've been handling them. That's all.

Oh, and by the way. A bit off-topic, but a huge shoutout to the admins and mods of these forums who keep the nonsense at a bare minimum and keep things clean. Y'all the real MVP, and if I could I'd give you guys awesome for days. You all make these forums less like 4chan, and I dig that a lot. Big ups to you guys.

Sorry dude can't worm yourself out of this one.

You clearly have a prejudice against bow users, and claimed in your OP that bow builds are not viable. Dispite the numerous evidence against these claims that you ignore for whatever reason.

Instead of whining grow up and lets discuss how bow can be improved to be a main weapon OR state your reasoning as to why it shouldn't be one.

@Anti_Virus 1 question, and 1 question only... How could I have a prejudice against bow users, when every stamina-based character I have utilizes a bow as their main hand backup? Actually, don't answer that. I don't feel like walking in circles anymore. People will think what they want to think, and that's fine. If people feel as though bow builds are viable? That's fine. Do I feel so? No. And that's fine.

Admins and mods, you can close this thread if you'd feel it best for the forums. I'm tired of people's personal attacks, and being forced to place numerous people on ignore for them. I figured it could be a civilized debate/discussion, but as always with my threads — people have to resort to pettiness and personal attacks. As well as straight forward rudeness. And honestly? It's a Friday. Things are amazing. I got my second sharpened Moondancer inferno staff, as well as helped a buddy get their skin. Things are wonderful, and I just don't feel like being brought down with the pettiness and negativity.

Darkdex wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Im just going to leave this here;)
http://imgur.com/a/a3Neh#SB4A9gZ

Can i get the build/rotation for this pic, kind sir? Pleeeeeeaaaassseeeee!!!!

Very impressive!

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Edit: I just don't see why so many damn people gravitate toward bows/sniper-related weaponry for their main weapon choice, especially when looking at things for what they are. It's not just on ESO. It's on Overwatch too. As well as other games that a sniper is playable. "Ermagerd a sniper! I must pick them!" "OMG! A sniper rifle! Let me go and make use of this, even though it's completely impractical for the given situation and environment!" "What!? This game has a means of me to snipe!? Sorry guys, but I'm gonna go snipe. And don't try to tell me otherwise of how to play my game."

Why is it so popular to be an archer/bowman suddenly? On paper it doesn't even seem too logical, as at close range you're screwed. Ugh.

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Browiseth wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Edit: I just don't see why so many damn people gravitate toward bows/sniper-related weaponry for their main weapon choice, especially when looking at things for what they are. It's not just on ESO. It's on Overwatch too. As well as other games that a sniper is playable. "Ermagerd a sniper! I must pick them!" "OMG! A sniper rifle! Let me go and make use of this, even though it's completely impractical for the given situation and environment!" "What!? This game has a means of me to snipe!? Sorry guys, but I'm gonna go snipe. And don't try to tell me otherwise of how to play my game."

Why is it so popular to be an archer/bowman suddenly? On paper it doesn't even seem too logical, as at close range you're screwed. Ugh.

you can't comprehend the fact that someone likes different things that you might not like?

how often do you interact with other human beings on a personal level

Often enough for you to cash me ousside in Cyrodiil. Howbow dah?