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Can We All Agree "Bow Builds" Aren't Viable?
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ITT: in order for a weapon to be viable it must do the best possible DPS and it must do that with all possible builds...masterbroodub17_ESO wrote: »So because someone found ONE way to make it viable that means it's viable?
Cool, let's start encouraging people to play this way all the way until they get the perfect gear setup.
Oh, you mean it ONLY works with BiS gear and a very specific build, and doing it before then is ***? So then it's not REALLY viable then is it?
Showing that something is within the realm of possibility does not mean it's viable. If it was truly viable you wouldn't need to play as a melee until you get the right gear and then reset skill points. That is not viability, that is a workaround. If you cannot go from a to z without being gimp it is not viable, period.
Also ITT: people who have no idea what the word "viable" means.
True but the "second best is last/useless" mindset is rife thru mmo minmaxing.
A big part of it is fostered by the designers.
Right now most of the design centers around "you" - your traits, your stats etc and very little variance by "them" the target and the circumstance. most of the time your "best dps evah" will be the "best dps evah" in case after case after case. the main three weapon traits - precise -sharpened and nirn - all just try to up DPS by altering the variables - each a different variable but there is so little difference in the targets in PVE that the net result is mostly - one math wins out.
A way to break this mold to some extent would be a massive trait overhaul.
Weapons traits would mostly do "more damage" but against specific targets:
nirnhoned vs ??? maybe everything but at maybe 75% of the others
sharpened vs light armor and animals/beasts
precise vs medium armor and ogres/giants
crushing vs heavy armor and constructs/gargoyles
infused vs undead/daedra
smashing vs bugs/spiders/dretches
etc etc etc
Armor traits that do better vs types of damage:
nirn vs everything but at like 75%
infused vs elemental/nagic
reinforced vs direct single target
sturdy vs phsyical/poison/disease
well-fitted vs AOE
etc etc etc
this gets away from "best everywhere' builds and moves towards "everything is best somewhere and nothing is best everywhere" kind of different builds for different enemies and different objectives even if the role is the same.
I've been advocating for something like this since the beginning, to no avail.
It would require people to plan ahead / adjust for specific encounters, meaning they can't just waltz into their solo quest content and roll over everything in their path. ZOS would have endless whining of "why can't my firemage kill the atronachs in quest xyz" on their hands, so we can't have nice things.
While there are instances of enemies being weaker or stronger against certain elements, it's usually not a big enough deal to warrant specific builds. Back when we still had the old Evil Hunter, you could at least create a sort of anti-Deadra/Undead build, but that doesn't work anymore either.
Generally I'd like to see some changes to make these elemental weaknesses/resistances more pronounced, and add weaknesses/resistances to specific weapon types to the mix, so swords/maces/axes/daggers/bows feel more distinct. But I like your suggestion to use the traits for this as well. I wouldn't even mind if they added new traits for this.
Enchantments would be another possibility, as they are currently still very under-utilized, and we already have a precedent with Hakeijo (although they'd have to change the effect to something like "this weapon deals +10% damage vs undead and daedra").Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.0 -
User_Name✭✭✭When I am fighting a world boss or doing dolmens, and one of those light attack bow builds turn up, I sometimes cloak and let the NPC's aggro him instead. Maybe that's cruel, but a lot of bow types are just +1'ers, not really doing anything for neither themselves nor anyone else, just leeching, and if the NPC's insta him anyways the moment they turn on him I think it's fair to assume he wasn't really pulling his weight. Maybe it's bad. Maybe ESO made me a petty person, lol.1 -
masterbroodub17_ESO wrote: »So because someone found ONE way to make it viable that means it's viable?
Cool, let's start encouraging people to play this way all the way until they get the perfect gear setup.
Oh, you mean it ONLY works with BiS gear and a very specific build, and doing it before then is ***? So then it's not REALLY viable then is it?
Showing that something is within the realm of possibility does not mean it's viable. If it was truly viable you wouldn't need to play as a melee until you get the right gear and then reset skill points. That is not viability, that is a workaround. If you cannot go from a to z without being gimp it is not viable, period.
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Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭When I am fighting a world boss or doing dolmens, and one of those light attack bow builds turn up, I sometimes cloak and let the NPC's aggro him instead. Maybe that's cruel, but a lot of bow types are just +1'ers, not really doing anything for neither themselves nor anyone else, just leeching, and if the NPC's insta him anyways the moment they turn on him I think it's fair to assume he wasn't really pulling his weight. Maybe it's bad. Maybe ESO made me a petty person, lol.
I don't even blame you. I honestly don't. And between you and me? I'm contemplating doing something similar when they come along from now on.
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✭✭When I am fighting a world boss or doing dolmens, and one of those light attack bow builds turn up, I sometimes cloak and let the NPC's aggro him instead. Maybe that's cruel, but a lot of bow types are just +1'ers, not really doing anything for neither themselves nor anyone else, just leeching, and if the NPC's insta him anyways the moment they turn on him I think it's fair to assume he wasn't really pulling his weight. Maybe it's bad. Maybe ESO made me a petty person, lol.
I don't even blame you. I honestly don't. And between you and me? I'm contemplating doing something similar when they come along from now on.
It looks to me you created DISCUSSION and then do everything in your power to ignore all counter facts to your view, yet have time to give pat on the back to anyone who agrees with you.Edited by SodanTok on February 17, 2017 11:24AM4 -
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✭sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »When I am fighting a world boss or doing dolmens, and one of those light attack bow builds turn up, I sometimes cloak and let the NPC's aggro him instead. Maybe that's cruel, but a lot of bow types are just +1'ers, not really doing anything for neither themselves nor anyone else, just leeching, and if the NPC's insta him anyways the moment they turn on him I think it's fair to assume he wasn't really pulling his weight. Maybe it's bad. Maybe ESO made me a petty person, lol.
I don't even blame you. I honestly don't. And between you and me? I'm contemplating doing something similar when they come along from now on.
It looks to me you created DISCUSSION and then do everything in your power to ignore all counter facts to your view, yet have time to give pat on the back to anyone who agrees with you.
IKR.Power Wealth And Influence.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »When I am fighting a world boss or doing dolmens, and one of those light attack bow builds turn up, I sometimes cloak and let the NPC's aggro him instead. Maybe that's cruel, but a lot of bow types are just +1'ers, not really doing anything for neither themselves nor anyone else, just leeching, and if the NPC's insta him anyways the moment they turn on him I think it's fair to assume he wasn't really pulling his weight. Maybe it's bad. Maybe ESO made me a petty person, lol.
I don't even blame you. I honestly don't. And between you and me? I'm contemplating doing something similar when they come along from now on.
It looks to me you created DISCUSSION and then do everything in your power to ignore all counter facts to your view, yet have time to give pat on the back to anyone who agrees with you.
Facts destroyed his premise for this thread so he dances around them.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »When I am fighting a world boss or doing dolmens, and one of those light attack bow builds turn up, I sometimes cloak and let the NPC's aggro him instead. Maybe that's cruel, but a lot of bow types are just +1'ers, not really doing anything for neither themselves nor anyone else, just leeching, and if the NPC's insta him anyways the moment they turn on him I think it's fair to assume he wasn't really pulling his weight. Maybe it's bad. Maybe ESO made me a petty person, lol.
I don't even blame you. I honestly don't. And between you and me? I'm contemplating doing something similar when they come along from now on.
It looks to me you created DISCUSSION and then do everything in your power to ignore all counter facts to your view, yet have time to give pat on the back to anyone who agrees with you.
OP is a master at this, creating threads with triggers.
Unfortunately we all play along.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »When I am fighting a world boss or doing dolmens, and one of those light attack bow builds turn up, I sometimes cloak and let the NPC's aggro him instead. Maybe that's cruel, but a lot of bow types are just +1'ers, not really doing anything for neither themselves nor anyone else, just leeching, and if the NPC's insta him anyways the moment they turn on him I think it's fair to assume he wasn't really pulling his weight. Maybe it's bad. Maybe ESO made me a petty person, lol.
I don't even blame you. I honestly don't. And between you and me? I'm contemplating doing something similar when they come along from now on.
It looks to me you created DISCUSSION and then do everything in your power to ignore all counter facts to your view, yet have time to give pat on the back to anyone who agrees with you.
@sodantokb16_ESO Hm? I did what now? I beg to differ. If you look throughout this thread, I've agreed with a few people here and there with a difference of opinion than mine. I even said how I'm over stressing what people do in overland content, as in the end — it is what it is. Which is overland content. If people get a thrill out of using bow builds and double bows, then whatever. If people want to use said things in dungeons (normal and or veteran), then so be it. As I can easily remedy this frustration by continuing to easily solo content, and or play with friends/guildies. Therefore not subjecting myself to something that I dislike, or even giving the opportunity for me to be exposed to a possibly nuisance.
Also, this thread generated a bit of insightful responses, in my opinion. It in a sense gave me a bit more of a insight as to where the community stands toward certain things (forum-wise), and their said feelings. All of which pretty educational. Do I agree with the majority of it? No. But that's okay too, as this IS a forum at the end of the day. A place where I will come into contact with things that I may disagree with and dislike. But, am I going to make personal attacks like some people here have and be immaturity about things? N'ah, not really. Lol. I'm just going to go about handling things how I do choose, and as I've been handling them. That's all.
Oh, and by the way. A bit off-topic, but a huge shoutout to the admins and mods of these forums who keep the nonsense at a bare minimum and keep things clean. Y'all the real MVP, and if I could I'd give you guys awesome for days. You all make these forums less like 4chan, and I dig that a lot. Big ups to you guys.0 -
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✭Are you really crying about how people play at dolmens?? That's one of the places it's ok to play as you want because others aren't relying on you. On top of that a heavy attack/poison injection combo is enough to kill a mob. I get it in dungeons it can be annoying, but dolmens? Really!? Overland PvE is where it should be accepted that players can play any way they want.
@Danksta ... This dude cries about everything. Just look at the post history.
Play how you want. Have fun. Avoid toxic peeps like the OP. And if they whisper you in game that your build sucks, throw a few mud balls their way, laugh, and move on.
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Your post contradicts this statement.I don't mean to come off as an elitist.
I don't see why anyone gets upset over another for simply playing the game.
Who cares if they aren't wielding maximum power during a fight? If this is a major concern for people, they have plenty of options to remove themselves from an environment which doesn't suit them.
I personally enjoy playing with people whose skills are both better and worse than my own. I love teaching new players how to play the game, and I love learning from players who take the time to teach me how to improve my skills while not being a condescending elitist telling me my bow skill isn't viable.
I notice your post has several agrees. There you go. You just found other elitists you can play with who likely don't play with bows.
Enjoy your game!
*passes fishy sticks to all readers
Edited by Violynne on February 17, 2017 3:26PM2 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭FortheloveofKrist wrote: »Are you really crying about how people play at dolmens?? That's one of the places it's ok to play as you want because others aren't relying on you. On top of that a heavy attack/poison injection combo is enough to kill a mob. I get it in dungeons it can be annoying, but dolmens? Really!? Overland PvE is where it should be accepted that players can play any way they want.
@Danksta ... This dude cries about everything. Just look at the post history.
Play how you want. Have fun. Avoid toxic peeps like the OP. And if they whisper you in game that your build sucks, throw a few mud balls their way, laugh, and move on.
Hm? I'm toxic? What? The personal attacks are real on these forums. Now supposedly I'm elitist and toxic, all because I had an issue with people using bow builds and or double bows. Lol. Wow. These forums are a riot sometimes.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭In a way this thread has served a good purpose. The community has been able to see that bow builds can produce extremely acceptable damage. We have seen there is no reason to avoid a bow used merely because they use a bow.
As with any weapon the damage down depends heavily on the user and those that are avoiding bow users are probably need to be refers to certain posts in this thread to enlighten them on the truth.3 -
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✭FortheloveofKrist wrote: »Are you really crying about how people play at dolmens?? That's one of the places it's ok to play as you want because others aren't relying on you. On top of that a heavy attack/poison injection combo is enough to kill a mob. I get it in dungeons it can be annoying, but dolmens? Really!? Overland PvE is where it should be accepted that players can play any way they want.
@Danksta ... This dude cries about everything. Just look at the post history.
Play how you want. Have fun. Avoid toxic peeps like the OP. And if they whisper you in game that your build sucks, throw a few mud balls their way, laugh, and move on.
Hm? I'm toxic? What? The personal attacks are real on these forums. Now supposedly I'm elitist and toxic, all because I had an issue with people using bow builds and or double bows. Lol. Wow. These forums are a riot sometimes.
Yup. Mudball to the face. Now move along or get a hobby. Your "discussion" threads are nothing more than narcissistic response-farming.
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✭✭✭✭Viable=/=optimal.
Sure, bow builds are viable.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭FortheloveofKrist wrote: »FortheloveofKrist wrote: »Are you really crying about how people play at dolmens?? That's one of the places it's ok to play as you want because others aren't relying on you. On top of that a heavy attack/poison injection combo is enough to kill a mob. I get it in dungeons it can be annoying, but dolmens? Really!? Overland PvE is where it should be accepted that players can play any way they want.
@Danksta ... This dude cries about everything. Just look at the post history.
Play how you want. Have fun. Avoid toxic peeps like the OP. And if they whisper you in game that your build sucks, throw a few mud balls their way, laugh, and move on.
Hm? I'm toxic? What? The personal attacks are real on these forums. Now supposedly I'm elitist and toxic, all because I had an issue with people using bow builds and or double bows. Lol. Wow. These forums are a riot sometimes.
Yup. Mudball to the face. Now move along or get a hobby. Your "discussion" threads are nothing more than narcissistic response-farming.
...? Even more personal attacks. How interesting. So now my threads are narcissistic. Okay. Thanks for sharing your feelings. Much appreciated.Edited by Ch4mpTW on February 17, 2017 3:05PM0 -
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✭If bows are worthless then they need to be fixed.
Most likely the case is that you're not using them right and could possibly use a bit of tweaking.
One thing this whole debate makes me want to try is to see if I can become Emperor with a bow as a main. That will be a very long time down the road if ever though.
Either way in the end this is a game and I got it to have fun. I have fun using bows so I will use a bow whether it is a good idea or not.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭If bows are worthless then they need to be fixed.
Most likely the case is that you're not using them right and could possibly use a bit of tweaking.
One thing this whole debate makes me want to try is to see if I can become Emperor with a bow as a main. That will be a very long time down the road if ever though.
Either way in the end this is a game and I got it to have fun. I have fun using bows so I will use a bow whether it is a good idea or not.
@Zuboko Here's the thing, however. I'm not saying that the use of bows is bad. No. I'm not saying that at all, and neither are you saying that I said that. Lol. However, many people have this perception as if I did say that. When in fact I'm merely saying that it's unwise (in my opinion of course) to have a bow as a primary weapon. As well as utilizing a build that incorporates double bows, and thus rendering that whole concept not viable. That's all. And some people in this thread blew things way out of proportion, and began making personal attacks and rather ignorant comments. Most of which lacking an actual base.
For an example, I for 1 do in fact USE bows. Yes. I use bows on every single stamina character that I have. However, I use it on my backbar and use it for 2 skills and 2 skills only. Poison Injection and Endless Hail. That's all, as I find using more than those said skills to be a waste of slots (again in my opinion). I find doing so to be not only not viable, but not optimal as well. And therefore I don't do it, and when asked by others if they should do so proceed with tell them, "No." and explaining why.0 -
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✭If bows are worthless then they need to be fixed.
Most likely the case is that you're not using them right and could possibly use a bit of tweaking.
One thing this whole debate makes me want to try is to see if I can become Emperor with a bow as a main. That will be a very long time down the road if ever though.
Either way in the end this is a game and I got it to have fun. I have fun using bows so I will use a bow whether it is a good idea or not.
@Zuboko Here's the thing, however. I'm not saying that the use of bows is bad. No. I'm not saying that at all, and neither are you saying that I said that. Lol. However, many people have this perception as if I did say that. When in fact I'm merely saying that it's unwise (in my opinion of course) to have a bow as a primary weapon. As well as utilizing a build that incorporates double bows, and thus rendering that whole concept not viable. That's all. And some people in this thread blew things way out of proportion, and began making personal attacks and rather ignorant comments. Most of which lacking an actual base.
For an example, I for 1 do in fact USE bows. Yes. I use bows on every single stamina character that I have. However, I use it on my backbar and use it for 2 skills and 2 skills only. Poison Injection and Endless Hail. That's all, as I find using more than those said skills to be a waste of slots (again in my opinion). I find doing so to be not only not viable, but not optimal as well. And therefore I don't do it, and when asked by others if they should do so proceed with tell them, "No." and explaining why.
@Ch4mpTW I don't know if I was replying to you so much as I was the whole argument that has evolved. Either way I can respect your opinion.Edited by Tornaad on February 17, 2017 3:30PM1 -
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✭✭Most likely the case is that you're not using them right and could possibly use a bit of tweaking.
I think this is the biggest issue. I've seen so many just pew pew with light attacks and nothing else. They can't even kill one NPC let alone a group of 3. Meanwhile I've cleared the rest of the delve/dungeon in the time it took them to rez themselves two more times. And when told light attacks only is why they're having problems they say 'dude, there's a passive that increases my damage if i use light attacks'. They have no idea how to use skills and weave in light attacks. The purpose of that passive isn't so you keep on keepin on with the pew pew, it's so that your skills/dots do more damage.
Some people figure this stuff out on their own or it comes easily, but for some it takes some explaining and some never get it. But why is it just bow? You don't see this issue with any other weapon type. I don't think it's because of the wording of the passive. I've been told it has to do with how bows worked in Skyrim and they're bringing that over here not understanding MMO mechanics.0 -
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✭Is this another moaning thread by champ lol, and didn't fear turbo do vmsa with a bow build?1 -
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✭When in fact I'm merely saying that it's unwise (in my opinion of course) to have a bow as a primary weapon. As well as utilizing a build that incorporates double bows, and thus rendering that whole concept not viable. That's all.
Ch4mp, various people have posted builds and dps parses in this thread proving that your premise is false. Nos, Fear Turbo, Deltia, and others all have bow primary builds that are perfectly viable and competitive. The reason people are getting frustrated with you is because you keep ignoring this. You're of course welcome to your opinion - I agree that bow builds are not the best and that the skill line could use a buff. But it is pretty hard to have a discussion when one side ignores the best arguments that the other side has to offer.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭psychotic13 wrote: »Is this another moaning thread by champ lol, and didn't fear turbo do vmsa with a bow build?
Yes. It's humorous how he contradicts himself.
He isn't saying bow is bad (um, the title) but thinks it's inconsiderate for someone to bring a bow build into dungeon, that their wasting the time of the other 3. All seemingly ignoring facts presented of how performing significant vet raid worthy dps.
Personally I wonder if he can pull 40k unbuffed with any build he chooses.AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »@Ch4mpTW can you really blame people using bows in Dolman's (because the more enemies you "tag" the more XP/loot you get)?
As someone who is trying to get to CP600, I'm going to do whatever I have to do to get those things efficiently.
@AlexanderDeLarge When putting things into their proper perspective, I suppose it's not exactly the worst of things in regards to using a bow at a dolmen. As for 1, it is overland content. And honestly overland content is pretty much a cake walk; requiring little to no effort at all. Plus, it has a bit of logic in regards to trying to tag as many things as possible (although I would rather use caltrops and or Endless Hail in addition to it only).
However! I still am strongly against people attempting to do veteran dungeons and trials with double bows and "bow builds". I find that to be inconsiderate, and a waste of the other 3 individual's time doing so. For example, would I personally bring my PetSorc into group content? No. Have I in ithe past? Yes. Even veteran trials as well. Why did I? Because I was specifically asked to by those organizing the trial, and the build provided excellent synergy with what the group's intentions were. Resulting in a massive success, and everyone walking out of that trial with an amazing score and all vitality.
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✭Dalsinthus wrote: »When in fact I'm merely saying that it's unwise (in my opinion of course) to have a bow as a primary weapon. As well as utilizing a build that incorporates double bows, and thus rendering that whole concept not viable. That's all.
Ch4mp, various people have posted builds and dps parses in this thread proving that your premise is false. Nos, Fear Turbo, Deltia, and others all have bow primary builds that are perfectly viable and competitive. The reason people are getting frustrated with you is because you keep ignoring this. You're of course welcome to your opinion - I agree that bow builds are not the best and that the skill line could use a buff. But it is pretty hard to have a discussion when one side ignores the best arguments that the other side has to offer.
@Dalsinthus ... I wish I were as patient, level-headed, and eloquent as your post above. Any chance you're running for office in 2018 or 2020? Cause you would have my vote.
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Aw shucks. Thanks.FortheloveofKrist wrote: »Dalsinthus wrote: »When in fact I'm merely saying that it's unwise (in my opinion of course) to have a bow as a primary weapon. As well as utilizing a build that incorporates double bows, and thus rendering that whole concept not viable. That's all.
Ch4mp, various people have posted builds and dps parses in this thread proving that your premise is false. Nos, Fear Turbo, Deltia, and others all have bow primary builds that are perfectly viable and competitive. The reason people are getting frustrated with you is because you keep ignoring this. You're of course welcome to your opinion - I agree that bow builds are not the best and that the skill line could use a buff. But it is pretty hard to have a discussion when one side ignores the best arguments that the other side has to offer.
@Dalsinthus ... I wish I were as patient, level-headed, and eloquent as your post above. Any chance you're running for office in 2018 or 2020? Cause you would have my vote.
But no- probably not running for office. It would distract too much from ESO!
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✭sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »When I am fighting a world boss or doing dolmens, and one of those light attack bow builds turn up, I sometimes cloak and let the NPC's aggro him instead. Maybe that's cruel, but a lot of bow types are just +1'ers, not really doing anything for neither themselves nor anyone else, just leeching, and if the NPC's insta him anyways the moment they turn on him I think it's fair to assume he wasn't really pulling his weight. Maybe it's bad. Maybe ESO made me a petty person, lol.
I don't even blame you. I honestly don't. And between you and me? I'm contemplating doing something similar when they come along from now on.
It looks to me you created DISCUSSION and then do everything in your power to ignore all counter facts to your view, yet have time to give pat on the back to anyone who agrees with you.
@sodantokb16_ESO Hm? I did what now? I beg to differ. If you look throughout this thread, I've agreed with a few people here and there with a difference of opinion than mine. I even said how I'm over stressing what people do in overland content, as in the end — it is what it is. Which is overland content. If people get a thrill out of using bow builds and double bows, then whatever. If people want to use said things in dungeons (normal and or veteran), then so be it. As I can easily remedy this frustration by continuing to easily solo content, and or play with friends/guildies. Therefore not subjecting myself to something that I dislike, or even giving the opportunity for me to be exposed to a possibly nuisance.
Also, this thread generated a bit of insightful responses, in my opinion. It in a sense gave me a bit more of a insight as to where the community stands toward certain things (forum-wise), and their said feelings. All of which pretty educational. Do I agree with the majority of it? No. But that's okay too, as this IS a forum at the end of the day. A place where I will come into contact with things that I may disagree with and dislike. But, am I going to make personal attacks like some people here have and be immaturity about things? N'ah, not really. Lol. I'm just going to go about handling things how I do choose, and as I've been handling them. That's all.
Oh, and by the way. A bit off-topic, but a huge shoutout to the admins and mods of these forums who keep the nonsense at a bare minimum and keep things clean. Y'all the real MVP, and if I could I'd give you guys awesome for days. You all make these forums less like 4chan, and I dig that a lot. Big ups to you guys.
Sorry dude can't worm yourself out of this one.
You clearly have a prejudice against bow users, and claimed in your OP that bow builds are not viable. Dispite the numerous evidence against these claims that you ignore for whatever reason.
Instead of whining grow up and lets discuss how bow can be improved to be a main weapon OR state your reasoning as to why it shouldn't be one.Power Wealth And Influence.4
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