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Can We All Agree "Bow Builds" Aren't Viable?
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Entegre✭✭✭Relentless focus poison injection (Snipe light attack) x4 relentless focus release. I am doing damage while I am far away from boss to die to silly one shot are attacks.. When I want to get into combat I will use my twin swords...0 -
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✭✭cbaudersub17_ESO wrote: »I love my slutty Bosmer bow character. She plays in the mix, helps keeps things tight, offs the stubborn adds that do not want to move, and LOVES shoving that bow up any casters nose.
I just had to fistbump you for this comment. Best thing I've read today.
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✭Blame the image Legolas has created...
Oh, I do. Someone even posted a .gif of him here in this very thread. ._.
But what gets me, is when people say, "Oh but it's okay for someone to double Destro? And have Destro builds? Meanwhile, I can't have double bows and bow builds?" I'm like, "Dude... No. Just... No."
Destruction staves have: Force Pulse/Crushing Shock, Elemental Drain, Pulsar/Elemental Ring, Wall of Elements, the different passive effects from using different staves, etc. Bows are just... Yeeeeeeah. . . They're GREAT for back bar with Endless Hail and Poison Injection though. Lol. They're good at keep those DOTs flowing. But that's where it ends.
Oh, so you believe it's viable because you can do quests with 1 in a PvE environment. Okay. Cool. I can sit here and say using no weapon is viable depending on the class to clear quests, do normal dungeons, and dolmens. Coolio. But, would be actually viable and the wisest of things to do? Absolutely not.
Edit: And for those who don't believe me, yes. You can clear the majority of the content in this game with no weapons, if you TRULY wanted to. Being as people are using that as an excuse for running double bows and bows as main hands. Don't believe me? Get a MagPlar or MagSorc, and you're good. I've watched a guildie solo a WB with no weapons, just Puncturing Sweeps and other class-based skills. I think he also may have used Proximity Detonation, although not a class skill. For MagSorc, just use pets and hard-cast C-Frags and curses. Then use whatever utility skills you need for sustain and survivability.
So instead of being an [snip] to players why don't you make suggestions so that bow player CAN possibly double bar them( although I don't like the idea )
[Edit for censor bypass]Edited by ZOS_Bill on February 16, 2017 2:28PMPower Wealth And Influence.0 -
cbaudersub17_ESO✭✭✭cbaudersub17_ESO wrote: »I love my slutty Bosmer bow character. She plays in the mix, helps keeps things tight, offs the stubborn adds that do not want to move, and LOVES shoving that bow up any casters nose.
I just had to fistbump you for this comment. Best thing I've read today.
@anadandy
She's great at bowjobs.8 -
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✭✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »DocFrost72 wrote: »This is kinda funny, actually. "This tree is underwhelming, because I've had a few bad experiences."
OP, this is not meant to be flaming, and I'm sorry if you take it that way, but I can tell you all about the horrible dual wield players that exist. The weapon doesn't shape the character, the character shapes the weapon.
@DocFrost72 It's all good, and no hard feelings taken. I too know of the bad DW players. The people who run into a fight, and immediately start Steel Tornado spamming nonstop. Regardless of whether or not the enemy NPC's/Players are at full health or not. Lol. I've seen a lot of weird chit brah. A lot.
Although, let's be realistic for a moment. Mathematically if you're using a bow for a main weapon, your damage output will be substantially worse than someone who is DW. That is fact. You can have 2 of the best of the best players of each weapon, and that person who uses DW will outperform the bow user every single time. I can assure you of this. And not just at damage over time, but raw burst as well.
But will that bow wielder be able to do like 99% of the content in the game? Why yes they will. At this point you arguement becomes, if that bow wielder had been using a meta build we would have finished that dungeon in 15 minutes instead of 17 minutes. Yeah i get it. 2 minutes of your life you will never get back because some heartless soul was dragging down your group with a bow. How dare they.
Well I wouldn't mind if the diffrence really was just 2 minutes. But the actual number for a bow-carry run is more like - 25-30 minutes. Because bad bow DDs do low DPS on EVERY fight. Every boss becomes 2 minutes longer and every trash pull turns into an absolute nightmare (Remeber: light attacks are not AoE).
I do not have anything against bow people in PUGs in general. I know that if I'm going to PUG I will have to be ready for a longer run. I'm totally fine with that.
But there is a lack of tanks/healers in groupfinder. (really like those 1 minute queues for pledges, btw) And bad DDs just shoot themself and other DDs in the knee, making it less interesting for good tanks and healers to use groupfinder. Staring at the boss's balls really quickly becomes old.
typo
Again this is true of any bad dps. Not just bad bow dps. There have been several links in this thread showing bow builds with good dps. More then enough to complete a vet dungeon.
So you would rather pug it up with a 15k dw dps just because they look all meta. then a 25k dps bow just because, if the dw was better in theory he could pull more dps then the bow. Seems sort of silly.Edited by vyndral13preub18_ESO on February 15, 2017 9:53PM1 -
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✭In open world use what you want.
8n dunge9ns, so long as we complete it idc. Really most dunge9ns are so easy it really does not matter. I have run with pugs in dungeons many times spamming snipe. We completed the dungeon, a bit slower, but it was completed no problem. If it does not hurt you you should not care. Especially with the rant about dolmens. I mean really, I could solo a dolmens with only snipe haha.1 -
NocturnalGuideMe✭✭✭bowmanz607 wrote: »In open world use what you want.
8n dunge9ns, so long as we complete it idc. Really most dunge9ns are so easy it really does not matter. I have run with pugs in dungeons many times spamming snipe. We completed the dungeon, a bit slower, but it was completed no problem. If it does not hurt you you should not care. Especially with the rant about dolmens. I mean really, I could solo a dolmens with only snipe haha.
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The_Undefined✭✭✭✭Instead spitting so much non-constructive criticism towards the players, why not direct that energy to getting the weapon balanced / fixed to be viable for PvE instead?
If the weapon was vaible, as all weapons should be, then you wouldn't have so much frustration towards the players. This is a game that marketed play the way you want, don't re-do skills just get new ones and try out new things.
I've never played any MMO where a class / weapon / whatever mechanic is used to fight things wasn't viable in PvE. Sure, there will always be that top DPS class, but other classes / methods of fighting were never as far behind as lower tier dps is in this game. It's absolutely ridiculous that there is a PvP only weapon that can't be good in PvE b/c it's good in PvP, and secondary weapons that only sit on the back bar. Instead of rolling out nerfs every other patch, they should be rolling out massive buffs and reworks.
Edited by The_Undefined on February 16, 2017 12:49AM2 -
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✭✭✭compared to dw? no, not even close, bow is an excellent back bar, but not good for front
@JinMori That's what I'm saying, but apparently they're completely viable in regards to other people's opinions and experiences for certain content. And I'm okay with that. I'm okay with a difference of opinion, if backed by logic and reason. But as a whole, bows just aren't viable (overall) in PvE content as a main weapon/primary. They're fantastic for secondary use. Absolutely amazing. Maelstrom's Bow's Endless Hail is fantastic, as well as Poison Injection's DOT. In conjunction they work wonders together when paired together with other DOTs and damage laid down with other skills and say DW for an example. But as a main hand weapon, I can't see it. I just can't.
It's interesting that YOU keep saying this, even when others come in and say that they've had no problems using bow as a main. So perhaps it is just YOU that cannot perform well with bow as primary, perhaps you're too worried about scores and min/maxing to commit to the dedication it takes to become a master of the bow.
There are statistics, the statistics say that 0% of the top dps have bow as main bar, because it sucks at it, flurry is much stronger than snipe, it gives more spell and weapon damage, and the passives for dw are better. The fact is that min maxing is basically math, the build that is mathematically better is the build you wanna go with. End of story. facts cannot be changed by preference.
What does not show up in that math is not all enemies are
in reference to the bold...The_Undefined wrote: »Instead spitting so much non-constructive criticism towards the players, why not direct that energy to getting the weapon balanced / fixed to be viable for PvE instead?
If the weapon was vaible, as all weapons should be, then you wouldn't have so much frustration towards the players. This is a game that marketed play the way you want, don't re-do skills just get new ones and try out new things.
I've never played any MMO where a class / weapon / whatever mechanic is used to fight things wasn't viable in PvE. Sure, there will always be that top DPS class, but other classes / methods of fighting were never as far behind as lower tier dps is in this game. It's absolutely ridiculous that there is a PvP only weapon that can't be good in PvE b/c it's good in PvP, and secondary weapons that only sit on the back bar. Instead of rolling out nerfs every other patch, they should be rolling out massive buffs and reworks.
Neither have I and i have been playing ESO since launch.Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
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Sinthrax✭✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »DocFrost72 wrote: »This is kinda funny, actually. "This tree is underwhelming, because I've had a few bad experiences."
OP, this is not meant to be flaming, and I'm sorry if you take it that way, but I can tell you all about the horrible dual wield players that exist. The weapon doesn't shape the character, the character shapes the weapon.
@DocFrost72 It's all good, and no hard feelings taken. I too know of the bad DW players. The people who run into a fight, and immediately start Steel Tornado spamming nonstop. Regardless of whether or not the enemy NPC's/Players are at full health or not. Lol. I've seen a lot of weird chit brah. A lot.
Although, let's be realistic for a moment. Mathematically if you're using a bow for a main weapon, your damage output will be substantially worse than someone who is DW. That is fact. You can have 2 of the best of the best players of each weapon, and that person who uses DW will outperform the bow user every single time. I can assure you of this. And not just at damage over time, but raw burst as well.
But will that bow wielder be able to do like 99% of the content in the game? Why yes they will. At this point you arguement becomes, if that bow wielder had been using a meta build we would have finished that dungeon in 15 minutes instead of 17 minutes. Yeah i get it. 2 minutes of your life you will never get back because some heartless soul was dragging down your group with a bow. How dare they.
Well I wouldn't mind if the diffrence really was just 2 minutes. But the actual number for a bow-carry run is more like - 25-30 minutes. Because bad bow DDs do low DPS on EVERY fight. Every boss becomes 2 minutes longer and every trash pull turns into an absolute nightmare (Remeber: light attacks are not AoE).
I do not have anything against bow people in PUGs in general. I know that if I'm going to PUG I will have to be ready for a longer run. I'm totally fine with that.
But there is a lack of tanks/healers in groupfinder. (really like those 1 minute queues for pledges, btw) And bad DDs just shoot themself and other DDs in the knee, making it less interesting for good tanks and healers to use groupfinder. Staring at the boss's balls really quickly becomes old.
typo
Again this is true of any bad dps. Not just bad bow dps. There have been several links in this thread showing bow builds with good dps. More then enough to complete a vet dungeon.
So you would rather pug it up with a 15k dw dps just because they look all meta. then a 25k dps bow just because, if the dw was better in theory he could pull more dps then the bow. Seems sort of silly.
I see it differently. I thinks its silly for someone to step into a dungeon purposely not seeking to be the best. If bow was at least competitive compared to others I wouldn't mind.
Eso did not invent best builds. They been around for....years. I have just become to expect of others. If they expect me to think they can be less than the best...then thats on them. Me, I try my best at everything...yes, even games. I wouldn't take my Ford to a race track...it just wouldn't cut it. A bow...just dont cut it.2 -
Cronopoly✭✭✭✭✭Had a failed Selene's Web Pledge today. Both DPS were Main Bow and Pet Sorc with Maw of Infernal
and to seal the deal one was near 227cp and the other near 310cp... doomed. 
Never saw a ground WOE or any AOE from the Sorc. I asked. He didn't have the points for it...
I carried the group to the last boss as a DK Shield Tank. The healer was saying she had nothing to do as I chained all ranged mobs to the Boss AOE area, except there was no AOE so we ground and pound ugly through the sub bosses taking way longer to kill trash and bosses alike. Before Selene I told them, "DO NOT Touch the Scroll" at the final boss.
The End Boss Selene HP's were not moving, and the multiple adds doomed the overwhelmed the healer as both DPS were chain dying, and the Pet sorc's pet taunt was pissing me off as well XD I chained all the Menders I saw right next to the Boss and still they stayed alive way too long. After the 2nd wipe we called it.
No, of course it's not all the time for everyone, but if the Triple cocktail of:
1) Inexperience
2) (2hand, Bow main)
3) Lower than 1/2 or 3/4 max CP
You have a ripe condition for wasted time. That's what many are talking about.
P.S.
I ran with some experienced Trial Raiders last week (Rare) and was blown away at how fast we blew through the same content when everyone knew the mechanics and used multiple skills for a "Rotation". Brings a tear to my eye. One was a Stam Sorc and the other a Destro Flame DK.
I did invite one of my mNB friends but he's been pissed since the last patch...
Edited by Cronopoly on February 16, 2017 1:53AM4 -
Kneighbors✭✭✭✭✭No bows are not bad for dolmens, world bosses, normal and vet dungeons, etc. I'll argue for the viability of the bow for pretty much anything but vet Trials because I haven't done them.I have used a bow as my main weapon since beta and it is not the absolute strongest but it is certainly viable and fun. I can pull 22-25k single target DPS in PVE with my bow build which is plenty for any of the content I have done. I can stand toe to toe with many people in PvP without having to gank them.
Just because many people haven't figured out how to maximize the combat system in the game and are familiar with the old Skyrim bow style doesn't mean the bow itself doesn't have potential. I am so tired of the misconception that the bow is useless as a main weapon...BlackSparrow wrote: »Bow builds are absolutely viable for PvE. They're just not up to snuff for things where DPS matters, like Trials. If you don't care about being the very best, like no one ever was? A bow-exclusive build works fine.
One of my alts is a bow build. Why? Because that's her character concept, simple as that. I have a lot of fun playing her, bouncing mobs all around inside a hail of arrows. I don't run her in dungeons or PvP, but for solo PvEing? She does just fine, and I have fun with the build. As far as I'm concerned, that's all that matters.
Bow builds are absolutely viable for PvE? With trials being the only exception? Lol. Okay. Go do VICP, VCoS, or VRoM with the 2 Damage Dealers of the group as bowmen. Report to me with the results you find, compared to 2 Damage Dealers as staff users or DW users. Hell maybe even 2H users (if they're not the Uppercut spamming type). Matter of a fact. Not even those dungeons. Go hit up VCoA2 or VCoH2 with 2 archers, and return with your findings. As I'm interested to see how it'll turn out, although I already have an idea of how it will turn out.
What you guys are misunderstanding is that I mean not saying using a bow is 100% useless and garbage. No. I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is, it's not viable as the center of your strategy. It's not viable to go about making it your main source of damage.
I literally just 2 manned VCoA2 yesterday on my bow build with my friend who is a CP 75 templar healer. Vet dungeons aren't that difficult. Also I've pulled a bunch of new low cp players through VICP on several occasions with the same bow build.
Damn, that's the typical mind of bow user. You actually think that you are badass. Only 75cp templar healer? Wow he's probably bad because he is only 75cp... Nm that templar healer gets 90% of his viable skills by reaching lvl 40..
I once played in dungeon as dd with team full of "literally dungeon soloers" like you. So my dps was showing 70+% of group, at all times. There was a moment when PvP 2H dd chose not to revive anyone and finish 5% hp boss on his own. I was like "man, don't waste our time, revive your team instead". And he was like "lol? I'm the one who actually deal damage here!", And then: "What is your dps?".
I just realise that people who use bow builds and people who don't know much about the game are the same people. Or those who literally soloing vCoA with the bow are from same category...1 -
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Kneighbors✭✭✭✭✭BlackSparrow wrote: »No bows are not bad for dolmens, world bosses, normal and vet dungeons, etc. I'll argue for the viability of the bow for pretty much anything but vet Trials because I haven't done them.I have used a bow as my main weapon since beta and it is not the absolute strongest but it is certainly viable and fun. I can pull 22-25k single target DPS in PVE with my bow build which is plenty for any of the content I have done. I can stand toe to toe with many people in PvP without having to gank them.
Just because many people haven't figured out how to maximize the combat system in the game and are familiar with the old Skyrim bow style doesn't mean the bow itself doesn't have potential. I am so tired of the misconception that the bow is useless as a main weapon...BlackSparrow wrote: »Bow builds are absolutely viable for PvE. They're just not up to snuff for things where DPS matters, like Trials. If you don't care about being the very best, like no one ever was? A bow-exclusive build works fine.
One of my alts is a bow build. Why? Because that's her character concept, simple as that. I have a lot of fun playing her, bouncing mobs all around inside a hail of arrows. I don't run her in dungeons or PvP, but for solo PvEing? She does just fine, and I have fun with the build. As far as I'm concerned, that's all that matters.
Bow builds are absolutely viable for PvE? With trials being the only exception? Lol. Okay. Go do VICP, VCoS, or VRoM with the 2 Damage Dealers of the group as bowmen. Report to me with the results you find, compared to 2 Damage Dealers as staff users or DW users. Hell maybe even 2H users (if they're not the Uppercut spamming type). Matter of a fact. Not even those dungeons. Go hit up VCoA2 or VCoH2 with 2 archers, and return with your findings. As I'm interested to see how it'll turn out, although I already have an idea of how it will turn out.
What you guys are misunderstanding is that I mean not saying using a bow is 100% useless and garbage. No. I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is, it's not viable as the center of your strategy. It's not viable to go about making it your main source of damage.
I think the one misunderstanding is you.
Just because a build isn't at the top of the DPS ladder doesn't mean it's not viable as the "center of your strategy" and "main source of damage."
Viable (adjective): capable of working successfully; feasible.
Using a bow-exclusive build is very much feasible, depending on what you want to do with it. I wouldn't take my archer into the vet dungeons you listed, because I don't really like doing vet dungeons in the first place. They're just not my thing. But for normal dungeons, she does just fine. For solo PvE, she does just fine. For everything I want to do in the game, she does just fine.
What you consider "viable" is not what other people consider "viable." For me, it's "Can I solo PvE quest and have fun while not being completely steamrolled?" If the answer is "yes," I consider it viable.
If you are personally inconvenienced by a bow user, feel free to take it up with that individual player. In the meantime, stop judging other people's builds by your own standards of success.
What you are saying is: what you think I need to ride a fast car to consider myself a speedy driver? No I drive my Kia Picanto and consider myself really good. It's just that fast cars aren't my thing. I'm gooooood.
By your logic any build is viable. You are just canceling this word and this thread.
It's good that you are keeping your bow skills within normal dungeons.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Kneighbors wrote: »No bows are not bad for dolmens, world bosses, normal and vet dungeons, etc. I'll argue for the viability of the bow for pretty much anything but vet Trials because I haven't done them.I have used a bow as my main weapon since beta and it is not the absolute strongest but it is certainly viable and fun. I can pull 22-25k single target DPS in PVE with my bow build which is plenty for any of the content I have done. I can stand toe to toe with many people in PvP without having to gank them.
Just because many people haven't figured out how to maximize the combat system in the game and are familiar with the old Skyrim bow style doesn't mean the bow itself doesn't have potential. I am so tired of the misconception that the bow is useless as a main weapon...BlackSparrow wrote: »Bow builds are absolutely viable for PvE. They're just not up to snuff for things where DPS matters, like Trials. If you don't care about being the very best, like no one ever was? A bow-exclusive build works fine.
One of my alts is a bow build. Why? Because that's her character concept, simple as that. I have a lot of fun playing her, bouncing mobs all around inside a hail of arrows. I don't run her in dungeons or PvP, but for solo PvEing? She does just fine, and I have fun with the build. As far as I'm concerned, that's all that matters.
Bow builds are absolutely viable for PvE? With trials being the only exception? Lol. Okay. Go do VICP, VCoS, or VRoM with the 2 Damage Dealers of the group as bowmen. Report to me with the results you find, compared to 2 Damage Dealers as staff users or DW users. Hell maybe even 2H users (if they're not the Uppercut spamming type). Matter of a fact. Not even those dungeons. Go hit up VCoA2 or VCoH2 with 2 archers, and return with your findings. As I'm interested to see how it'll turn out, although I already have an idea of how it will turn out.
What you guys are misunderstanding is that I mean not saying using a bow is 100% useless and garbage. No. I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is, it's not viable as the center of your strategy. It's not viable to go about making it your main source of damage.
I literally just 2 manned VCoA2 yesterday on my bow build with my friend who is a CP 75 templar healer. Vet dungeons aren't that difficult. Also I've pulled a bunch of new low cp players through VICP on several occasions with the same bow build.
Damn, that's the typical mind of bow user. You actually think that you are badass. Only 75cp templar healer? Wow he's probably bad because he is only 75cp... Nm that templar healer gets 90% of his viable skills by reaching lvl 40..
I once played in dungeon as dd with team full of "literally dungeon soloers" like you. So my dps was showing 70+% of group, at all times. There was a moment when PvP 2H dd chose not to revive anyone and finish 5% hp boss on his own. I was like "man, don't waste our time, revive your team instead". And he was like "lol? I'm the one who actually deal damage here!", And then: "What is your dps?".
I just realise that people who use bow builds and people who don't know much about the game are the same people. Or those who literally soloing vCoA with the bow are from same category...
I solo vet dungeons, but my build for that is very different than what I would take into a group situation. Solo'ing group dungeons is all about survival, not dps. It doesn't matter what your dps is if you die and the boss resets.
My stam dps builds are all DW / bow or DW / 2h and I pretty much only use them in a group or overland content. They put out much higher dps than my "solo" build but they also have an annoying tendency to die without a healer and tank.
I think the biggest problem with bow builds, as people have repeatedly pointed out, is that a lot of people using the bow have a tendency to just spam light attack and refresh poison injection. If my DW build was to spam light attack and refresh twin slashes my "meta" dps build would be terrible.
If you have a good bow rotation, that hits 15k+ dps over 2 minutes then as far as I'm concerned welcome to my vet dungeon group. Hell, 10k+ dps will probably do as long as the healer can manage their resources properly.
As long as you can stay out of red and in the heal radius we're all good.Edited by Tannus15 on February 16, 2017 2:09AM4 -
Zenimax will never make bows a viable main weapon. It will always be a back-bar supplement for melee DPS.
If you are a stamina build, you are melee, period. It will never change, as they have made no real effort to change it.
Archers are not thing in this game and unfortunately never will. The main reason I am not subbed.2 -
hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Im just going to leave this here;)
http://imgur.com/a/a3Neh#SB4A9gZ
Gee, so you can do barely passable DPS with a very specific build.... *fast claps*
What DPS do you do with a melee build? How about showing some actual comparative data instead of blowing smoke up people's asses.1 -
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✭masterbroodub17_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Im just going to leave this here;)
http://imgur.com/a/a3Neh#SB4A9gZ
Gee, so you can do barely passable DPS with a very specific build.... *fast claps*
What DPS do you do with a melee build? How about showing some actual comparative data instead of blowing smoke up people's asses.
39k unbuffed is barely passable DPS....lol you're so cute:)7 -
Darkonflare15✭✭✭✭✭The problem with buffing the vow is themasterbroodub17_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Im just going to leave this here;)
http://imgur.com/a/a3Neh#SB4A9gZ
Gee, so you can do barely passable DPS with a very specific build.... *fast claps*
What DPS do you do with a melee build? How about showing some actual comparative data instead of blowing smoke up people's asses.
Why do players do this? They state ignorant statements about stuff they hear about from someone that does not even know what he is talking about. This happen with the destro ULT before and after they change ot. People said it was useless and now look at it.3 -
hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »masterbroodub17_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Im just going to leave this here;)
http://imgur.com/a/a3Neh#SB4A9gZ
Gee, so you can do barely passable DPS with a very specific build.... *fast claps*
What DPS do you do with a melee build? How about showing some actual comparative data instead of blowing smoke up people's asses.
39k unbuffed is barely passable DPS....lol you're so cute:)
Considering 50k buffed with a melee build is easily obtainable with a decent build yes.
Also, you failed to address how this only works with one specific build. GG1 -
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✭@Cherryblossom
"If you are on the battlefield with only a fecking bow, you are a dead man, if I have an axe, I have a shield, I'm also running at you. There is a reason archers stand behind infantry you know! It's not a primary weapon."
LOLZ
good luck sprinting at a archer at what 100m?? 200m ? while caring your shield and axe and other Armour .... hell even at 50 meters you will not have that much strength to swing your axe while archers can move ..don't expect them to stand still while your running and slowing down towards them.
if you think archers are only good behind the wall tell that to this guy how many arrows he is able to let go within 10 sec ? im not saying others were the same and yes i know they didn't have compound bow ect but they were trained
https://youtube.com/watch?v=2zGnxeSbb3g
PS what happens once when you came over no strengths to swing your axe and btw archers did have a secondary weapon daggers
Edited by ForsakenSin on February 16, 2017 3:43AM"By many i am seen as hero...as a savior of the Tamriel i will not stop until every Daedra every evil there is in Tamriel is vanquish by my hands..
However i do this for my own purpose to gain trust of mortals to worship me and to eliminate my competition i will not bend my knee to lead your army to serve you Molag Bal , i will simply just take it from you.."--- Forsaken Sin( Magica Sorc)Arise From Darkness Forsaken SIn
"You have been a loyal High Elf Magica Sorc
Conjure of Darkness, Master of Magic
Killer of Molag Bal and Savior of Ebonheart Pact
Until Dark Brotherhood killed you...
but now..NOW its time to Arise From Darkness once again..."2 -
Sneaky-Snurr✭✭✭✭✭Have you taken your meds, @Ch4mpTW ? xD
But honestly, I'm not completely sure why/what you're annoyed about with bow users. I can understand if said players are constantly asking for advice from you specifically about increasing bow DPS but I don't think that's what is agitating you.
Maybe they could be enjoying bows and maybe it's as simple as feeling badass like the Breton from the trailer and that they've decided to follow in his footsteps. The point is, don't suck out the fun they're having from bows just because it got on your nerves.
Much love from me, to you. <33
PS: Reason why I wrote how I wrote is because I find this thread totally cute.
PPS: I'm not gay.
PPPS: I'm straight.The Order of the Shadows: Nightmare-
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✭✭✭Had a failed Selene's Web Pledge today. Both DPS were Main Bow and Pet Sorc with Maw of Infernal and to seal the deal one was near 227cp and the other near 310cp... doomed. Never saw a ground WOE or any AOE from the Sorc. I asked. He didn't have the points for it...
I carried the group to the last boss as a DK Shield Tank. The healer was saying she had nothing to do as I chained all ranged mobs to the Boss AOE area, except there was no AOE so we ground and pound ugly through the sub bosses taking way longer to kill trash and bosses alike. Before Selene I told them, "DO NOT Touch the Scroll" at the final boss.
The End Boss Selene HP's were not moving, and the multiple adds doomed the overwhelmed the healer as both DPS were chain dying, and the Pet sorc's pet taunt was pissing me off as well XD I chained all the Menders I saw right next to the Boss and still they stayed alive way too long. After the 2nd wipe we called it.
No, of course it's not all the time for everyone, but if the Triple cocktail of:
1) Inexperience
2) (2hand, Bow main)
3) Lower than 1/2 or 3/4 max CP
You have a ripe condition for wasted time. That's what many are talking about.
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I ran with some experienced Trial Raiders last week (Rare) and was blown away at how fast we blew through the same content when everyone knew the mechanics and used multiple skills for a "Rotation". Brings a tear to my eye. One was a Stam Sorc and the other a Destro Flame DK.
I did invite one of my mNB friends but he's been pissed since the last patch...
You dont mention level of the pledge - normal, vet, hm - so just let me say that the fact that some had bows were the least of your problem IMO. heck, had the bows been raining AOE hails and AOE bombards it might have been better than grinding thru solo target mobs at the end. hell with a solid dk tank like you if they had the two bow/2h doing in/out Aoe charge 2h tandems while the sorc laid down WoE and Liguid lightning and a volatile clanfear pulses... you could have been drowning in AoE goodness.
but i did not read your description and go "man yeah thats bows for yah."
had they been DW rushing in with the twin-slash-heavy "rotation" (no skills for tornado or flurry) you would not have fared much better, right?
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✭✭✭✭✭Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »Have you taken your meds, @Ch4mpTW ? xD
But honestly, I'm not completely sure why/what you're annoyed about with bow users. I can understand if said players are constantly asking for advice from you specifically about increasing bow DPS but I don't think that's what is agitating you.
Maybe they could be enjoying bows and maybe it's as simple as feeling badass like the Breton from the trailer and that they've decided to follow in his footsteps. The point is, don't suck out the fun they're having from bows just because it got on your nerves.
Much love from me, to you. <33
PS: Reason why I wrote how I wrote is because I find this thread totally cute.
PPS: I'm not gay.
PPPS: I'm straight.
@Sneaky-Snurr Lmao. It's okay, bruh. All is well, and no hard feelings taken from your post. And well, it was just a combination of every single time I see a person double bow using, things going downhill. Plus the fact that most of those I meet that do so come off to me as incredibly arrogant, when I try to be polite and explain stuff to them. And eventually I snapped and made this here rant thread. I'm over it the anger and overall frustration of it now, and just needed to vent a bit and see who else felt like I felt about the Robinhoods of ESO with their bows. That's all.
By the way, I don't think you're gay or anything like that. Lol. Even if you were, that's fine. As it wouldn't be any of my business regardless what your sexual preference is, b. And honestly, I deadass don't treat people different because of their preferences about things like that. Nor judge them over something like that. So it's all good. Happy you found the thread cute though. ^_^1
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