Vicious Death - Will be BIS in Cyrodiil come Homestead

Chuga_Rei · February 2017

VD was always amazing. Last video I made I got asked a lot what my "secret combo for crazy damage" was. Its literally just VD and Kags lol

NightbladeMechanics · February 2017

Proc only means "gear effect: when X cause happens, Y effect occurs." Currently, damage and healing procs can crit because all damage and healing can crit.

Magicka Furnace is a proc. Bloodspawn is a proc.

And next patch, damage and healing procs won't crit anymore. Therefore, VD shouldn't crit. If it does, its mechanically inconsistent.

Arya is right that VD used to be stronger prior to the heavy armor buffs, but let's be honest, it was op back then. I remember finally breaking down and getting my set a couple weeks into Thieves Guild, killing 164 or something like that players in an hour without dying, and barely using it since. It's a silly set which rewards simple play, but it's no more silly than aoe caps. I do believe VD has its place in the game as long as aoe caps exist, and I believe it will remain strong in Homestead despite the nerfs and heavy armor meta.

Sanct16 · February 2017

If you want to kill big stacks, Vicious Death has always been best in slot.

vortexman11 · February 2017

A proc is simply something that happens as the result of something else, although they're usually based on a percentage (ZOS LOVES THEIR RNG), that is not the only thing that defines a proc.

I believe Vicious Death will still have its moments but you have to remember most builds that run it stack heavily into crit modifiers to the point where it could crit for 20k at times. When you take all of that away I doubt it'll hit any harder than 8k-9k on the first 6 targets. But burst is burst.

Derra · February 2017

Why is there still arguing going on but everybody is too lazy to test it...

cschwingeb14_ESO · February 2017

Because it takes 3 people to test it.

But in the end, the change to AE cap will have very little effect on VD. The area of the explosion is very small (4m iirc). Catching 7 people in that small of an area. Gets you 100+100+100+100+100+100+75 instead of 100+100+100+100+100+100+50.

If VD does still crit, it will get a nice benefit from the AE cap being lifted, as people are more likely to die. If it no longer crits, it's not going to be worth wearing IMO

AhPook_Is_Here · February 2017

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Vicious Death Set;

(2 Items) Adds 129 Spell Damage

(3 Items) Adds 967 Maximum Magicka

(4 Items) Adds 688 Spell Critical

(5 items) When you kill a player they violently explode for 16605 Flame Damage to all other enemies in a 4 meter radius.

5pc states, 'When you kill a player'. This tells me that, when the target dies, this effect occurs period. There is no chance, it simply happens.

Compare to Tremor Scale

Tremor Scale Set:
(1 items) Adds 967 Max Stamina

(2 items) When you taunt an enemy, you have a 50% chance to cause a duneripper to burst from the ground beneath them, dealing 6500 Physical Damage to all enemies within 4 meters and reducing their Movement Speed by 70% for 8 seconds. This effect can occur once every 4 seconds.

2pc states, 'When you taunt an enemy, you have a 50% chance..'. This tells me that there is a chance an additional effect can occur. Thus is a proc.

/my2cents

"Proc" doesn't have anything to do with "probability", the abbreviation derives from "Procedure", if X then Y.

Glory · February 2017

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Proc only means "gear effect: when X cause happens, Y effect occurs." Currently, damage and healing procs can crit because all damage and healing can crit.

Magicka Furnace is a proc. Bloodspawn is a proc.

And next patch, damage and healing procs won't crit anymore. Therefore, VD shouldn't crit. If it does, its mechanically inconsistent.

Arya is right that VD used to be stronger prior to the heavy armor buffs, but let's be honest, it was op back then. I remember finally breaking down and getting my set a couple weeks into Thieves Guild, killing 164 or something like that players in an hour without dying, and barely using it since. It's a silly set which rewards simple play, but it's no more silly than aoe caps. I do believe VD has its place in the game as long as aoe caps exist, and I believe it will remain strong in Homestead despite the nerfs and heavy armor meta.

I wish Blood Spawn could crit. I don't know exactly what about it would crit, but I wish it would.

BigES · February 2017

You don't have to worry about getting Vicious Death killed if your group is solid.

Only - you can't prevent a random same-faction player from following you around.

Unless groups were allowed to declare themselves neutral from the Alliance War and make all targets hostile.

Cinbri · February 2017

Templar in VD spamming Backlashes, Unstable Cores, RDs left and right...

NACtron · February 2017

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Well the consensus has been that come next update magicka will be the way to go for many. I can't really say I am surprised since a great deal of 2016 was spent telling ZOS how "op" stamina was in comparison to magicka.

Magicka is by far superior to stamina in group play nowadays. However stamina is usually superior in 1v1 or 1vX small scale situations.

NightbladeMechanics · February 2017

ebethke_ESO wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Proc only means "gear effect: when X cause happens, Y effect occurs." Currently, damage and healing procs can crit because all damage and healing can crit.

Magicka Furnace is a proc. Bloodspawn is a proc.

And next patch, damage and healing procs won't crit anymore. Therefore, VD shouldn't crit. If it does, its mechanically inconsistent.

Arya is right that VD used to be stronger prior to the heavy armor buffs, but let's be honest, it was op back then. I remember finally breaking down and getting my set a couple weeks into Thieves Guild, killing 164 or something like that players in an hour without dying, and barely using it since. It's a silly set which rewards simple play, but it's no more silly than aoe caps. I do believe VD has its place in the game as long as aoe caps exist, and I believe it will remain strong in Homestead despite the nerfs and heavy armor meta.

I wish Blood Spawn could crit. I don't know exactly what about it would crit, but I wish it would.

11,000 resistances woooooooo!

kevlarto_ESO · February 2017

Hmm sounds like Lambert & wobel balance, I am sure there will be something to abuse to the ends of the earth come Monday

the lack of experience of those two really shine, LOL

Glory · February 2017

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

ebethke_ESO wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Proc only means "gear effect: when X cause happens, Y effect occurs." Currently, damage and healing procs can crit because all damage and healing can crit.

Magicka Furnace is a proc. Bloodspawn is a proc.

And next patch, damage and healing procs won't crit anymore. Therefore, VD shouldn't crit. If it does, its mechanically inconsistent.

Arya is right that VD used to be stronger prior to the heavy armor buffs, but let's be honest, it was op back then. I remember finally breaking down and getting my set a couple weeks into Thieves Guild, killing 164 or something like that players in an hour without dying, and barely using it since. It's a silly set which rewards simple play, but it's no more silly than aoe caps. I do believe VD has its place in the game as long as aoe caps exist, and I believe it will remain strong in Homestead despite the nerfs and heavy armor meta.

I wish Blood Spawn could crit. I don't know exactly what about it would crit, but I wish it would.

11,000 resistances woooooooo!

30 ultimate per proc!!

Pixysticks · February 2017

Sounds like something that might make me play again.

kkravaritieb17_ESO · February 2017

Tested VD with some friends on pts. It doesnt seem to crit anymore. So i guess its considered a proc set after all.

Mr_Nobody · February 2017

VD not critting anymore is a buff to aoe/blob groups.

Sandman929 · February 2017

kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »

Tested VD with some friends on pts. It doesnt seem to crit anymore. So i guess its considered a proc set after all.

Well alright then. Thanks for testing!

timidobserver · February 2017

Cinbri wrote: »

Templar in VD spamming Backlashes, Unstable Cores, RDs left and right...

Purge negates both of those skills. That tactic will only be useful against groups of random ungrouped players.Unstable Core is also a relatively expensive spell.

Xsorus · February 2017

kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »

Tested VD with some friends on pts. It doesnt seem to crit anymore. So i guess its considered a proc set after all.

Welp getting rid of that set as its now useless as ***

Koolio · February 2017

How much difference is it. Maybe on a 1-10 for us console plebs.

Crispen_Longbow · February 2017

Yep VD no longer crits. The nerf to range and nerf to crits will kill this set.

asneakybanana · February 2017

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

Yep VD no longer crits. The nerf to range and nerf to crits will kill this set.

What nerf to the range? Also last night I was still hitting ppl for 12k+ non crit. Still seems pretty viable when fighting largely outnumbered maybe just not so good when fighting organized groups that are smaller than your size. We will have to wait and see but I feel as though I'm going to be nearly as effective as last patch w/o changing anything.

Sandman929 · February 2017

The VD explosion is pretty high base damage as far as procs go, even without the crit it seems like it will remain more useful than other damage procs.

Crispen_Longbow · February 2017

asneakybanana wrote: »

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

Yep VD no longer crits. The nerf to range and nerf to crits will kill this set.

What nerf to the range? Also last night I was still hitting ppl for 12k+ non crit. Still seems pretty viable when fighting largely outnumbered maybe just not so good when fighting organized groups that are smaller than your size. We will have to wait and see but I feel as though I'm going to be nearly as effective as last patch w/o changing anything.

The range was nerfed awhile back cut in half I believe. Last night on full tank builds I was still hitting around 9-10K. If they blocked would only be around 4-5K. It's still viable on flags and major choke points with a lot of them stacked. Not so great elsewhere. On the plus side Proxy is now hitting harder for those situations as the AOE cap reduction is helping out.

Lexxypwns · February 2017

Its already BiS for group play on mag builds that deal damage

asneakybanana · February 2017

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

asneakybanana wrote: »

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

Yep VD no longer crits. The nerf to range and nerf to crits will kill this set.

What nerf to the range? Also last night I was still hitting ppl for 12k+ non crit. Still seems pretty viable when fighting largely outnumbered maybe just not so good when fighting organized groups that are smaller than your size. We will have to wait and see but I feel as though I'm going to be nearly as effective as last patch w/o changing anything.

The range was nerfed awhile back cut in half I believe. Last night on full tank builds I was still hitting around 9-10K. If they blocked would only be around 4-5K. It's still viable on flags and major choke points with a lot of them stacked. Not so great elsewhere. On the plus side Proxy is now hitting harder for those situations as the AOE cap reduction is helping out.

Hmm idk the only change to it up until this point afaik was when they fixed it to stop giving you dps to the players that you kill to proc it. it still has a 4m range if it were much larger it would have been down right broken IMO. Even though pvp was extremely dead last night there were a few times where there were large groups to bomb and it felt just as satisfying now as it did last patch but this time with much better magicka sustain thanks to magicka steal