Storage wasn't added cause only 3% of the active player base has max upgraded their bags and bank!

NewBlacksmurf · January 2017

So...ESO Live confirmed the reason why.

Seems this is "our" fault if your bags and bank isn't maxed out. This is from Phillip Draven's commentary today
*Edits...to clarify it seems around 50% haven't done any upgrades but not only 3%

I get that idea BUT I'm curious if they understand that including alts isn't good data analysis.

On the contrary tho.....they are pushing crown upgrades and offer in game gold so...that's been made extremely clear that ppl need to do upgrades or not make alts (HUH???) Again @ZOS_PhilipDraven does the analysis not also show 7 to 8/8 on accounts without max upgrades as compelling that perhaps the cost of upgrading is out of line with the value it offers?

I have 8 active characters but I only use two who have maxed inventory. The others have upgrades but not more than 4........I don't agree with the methodology explained but I do want to make sure we have clearly understood your comments cause to be fair, you were only given a few moments to speak on that topic and it may have been a question without fair time to prepare the answer.

Thoughts?

Glaiceana wrote: »

For people looking to see where this was said live, here is the official video:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/117763621
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Potenza · January 2017

I only have maxed out bags on one of my 8 characters because it would cost a fortune in gold to max them all out - the purpose of the other 7 characters was to increase my bag space without having to spend all the gold.

ZoS has not thought this out or are just coming up with an excuse

Kendaric · January 2017

Wait.. did they honestly explain the lack of storage for houses with people not upgrading their bank/inventory? Or did I misinterpret this?

Slurg · January 2017

Are they counting every character on every account ever created to get that figure- what is the bar for "active"? And people who have more than one account for the extra storage, if they don't max out all of those characters, they are counted as players who don't need more storage?

This raises more questions than answers for me.

Gandrhulf_Harbard · January 2017

Really?

If that is their "reasoning" I suggest they need to employ people who can actually think rationally.

All The Best

Runs · January 2017

My extra two accounts are active and do not have their bags/banks maxed.

That does not mean my main account, who has every bag and the bank maxed, does not want more storage.

Lyeloren · January 2017

Don't worry, they'll add storage later on the crown store for 6500 crowns.

lehran · January 2017

I've maxed my bag, but not my bank since the crafting bag obviated the need to do so; I don't store anywhere near the cap in it now that I no longer have to worry about crafting stuff clogging my inventory. Plus, if house inventory was implemented as separate from bank instead of just increasing bank space, it would be very useful for "setting aside" things that you're saving for later but don't want to see every time you deal with the bank.

Mitoice · January 2017

The problem is that apparently... Storage or any functionality besides crafting wont ever come... It will be just a cosmetic money grab....... Weak...considering crown only houses will cost over 100 bucks...

OH WELL, i guess its our fault.

Mitoice · January 2017

We will need to keep creating char mules for this problem cause apparently ZOS said we dont really want or need this feature....... Weak

TequilaFire · January 2017

This reminds me of the time they calculated the "average" player had less than a hundred CP.
When in reality most players had much more.

Mojmir · January 2017

Sounds like an excuse, which I expected them to come up with.

Magus · January 2017

Well wtf. I have 12 characters, fully upgraded bank, a personal guild bank with 500 more slots, a crafting bag, and I still run out of space.

Cadbury · January 2017

Well, to be fair I've yet to max my bag and bank space. And having ESO plus's craft bag helps with spacing enough for me to not worry about maxing it.

I find the reasoning behind no housing storage rather odd personally. It seems like they want to blame us.

...I'm...huh...wow.

starlizard70ub17_ESO · January 2017

An explanation behind the logic is if only 3% of the players have maxed out their bag and bank space, if storage must not be that big of a deal. Of course this fails to realize that many people have many mule alts but only play 1 or 2 characters. Or that there are many people who have accounts but only play once or twice a week, so storage isn't a big deal for them.

Mitoice · January 2017

And this is without counting furniture itrns which they said wont stack... Be prepared for the creation of 5 more char mules

AlnilamE · January 2017

I have 8 characters and 7 of them have maxed inventory (and mount skills) and a maxed out bank.

Gandrhulf_Harbard · January 2017

Mitoice wrote: »

And this is without counting furniture itrns which they said wont stack... Be prepared for the creation of 5 more char mules

Are you seriously telling me that chairs won't stack?!?!?!?

WTH - how bad a fail is that?

All The Best

NewBlacksmurf · January 2017

Mitoice wrote: »

And this is without counting furniture itrns which they said wont stack... Be prepared for the creation of 5 more char mules

@Mitoice
I think thats the assumption tho and its 1500 crowns per extra so I assume for ZOS, it makes sense.
Odd tho that bank and inventory upgrades are 1000 crowns per instead of 100 to 200 as a new alts gives 60 slots not 10.

everseeing_njpreub18_ESO · January 2017

Hard to know their exact figures to make a judgment but i can say that on PTS playing with furniture on a max bag space template character i had issues when decorating and running out of space.

Im sure storage will be something they add to the crown store in a month to appease everyone who wants it and make some more money. So long as prices are reasonable (subjective of course) i have no issues right now with the setup.

Taylor_MB · January 2017

Bag and bank upgrades get stupid expensive after the first few, they don't realise this is why most people don't have max storage space?

Pathetic excuse.

Danikat · January 2017

There are so many obvious flaws with this methodology I'm having a hard time convincing myself it's not just an excuse. It's a very quick way to calculate it but not at all a good one, which makes it seem more like someone realised just before ESO Live that they needed some stats to justify it and printed off what they could get at the last minute.

For a start they'd need a way to factor in people like me who have spent almost all the gold they've been able to get on storage but haven't yet maxed it out (and are holding off on crown store purchases until it gets crazy-expensive with gold).

Then there's people who have alts to get free storage, which I think is most people. Or just alts they don't use very often and therefore aren't prioritising for storage updates.

Then there's inactive accounts, which is hard to determine with a non-sub game, but is still an important factor. I have a friend who hasn't logged in since the first year - is she counted in the majority who didn't upgrade storage?

Oh and alt accounts, although I don't know ZOS can even tell what's an alt account.

Kodrac · January 2017

I don't have any maxed. My personal inventory is 120 (20 from the horse upgrades) and my bank is at 180.

GawdSB · January 2017

Lol, who lets these people make decisions? This has to be the dumbest excuse ever.

Mitoice · January 2017

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Mitoice wrote: »

And this is without counting furniture itrns which they said wont stack... Be prepared for the creation of 5 more char mules

@Mitoice
I think thats the assumption tho and its 1500 crowns per extra so I assume for ZOS, it makes sense.
Odd tho that bank and inventory upgrades are 1000 crowns per instead of 100 to 200 as a new alts gives 60 slots not 10.

@NewBlacksmurf

Nope... They said it on ESO live... That they wont stack... They were considering a furniture bag much like the crafting bag but for a future release.... And they implied that storage wont ever come to housing or any functional items... Only cosmetic.. besides crafting and skelly target practice.... Yea i know ... It took me some time to digest

SolidusPrime · January 2017

I've been playing my main since day 1, and he doesn't have max, and probably never will. It's just not needed or worth it to him whatsoever.

Rohamad_Ali · January 2017

lol

Berenhir · January 2017

This reasoning is like saying they won't release any new content because only 3% of the playerbase have done all content with all of their chars.

STEVIL · January 2017

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

So...ESO Live confirmed the reason why.

Seems this is "our" fault if your bags and bank isn't maxed out. This is from Phillip Draven's commentary today
*Edits...to clarify it seems around 50% haven't done any upgrades but not only 3%

I get that idea BUT I'm curious if they understand that including alts isn't good data analysis.

On the contrary tho.....they are pushing crown upgrades and offer in game gold so...that's been made extremely clear that ppl need to do upgrades or not make alts (HUH???) Again @ZOS_PhilipDraven does the analysis not also show 7 to 8/8 on accounts without max upgrades as compelling that perhaps the cost of upgrading is out of line with the value it offers?

I have 8 active characters but I only use two who have maxed inventory. The others have upgrades but not more than 4........I don't agree with the methodology explained but I do want to make sure we have clearly understood your comments cause to be fair, you were only given a few moments to speak on that topic and it may have been a question without fair time to prepare the answer.

Thoughts?

To be fair they did not just use this 3% all maxed metric.

they also observed that half had not upgraded their storage at all by any means.

to me it makes sense to judge what to prioritize for first release by using topical metrics like these - tho of course the data has to be analyzed sensibly.

For example, how many ACCOUNTS have any character with maxed storage or how many acvcounts have no upgrades or how many characters have maxed to halfway etc as these would give you different assessments with alts vs mains and with folks making routine cost-effect decisions and deciding its better to make an alt with half improves vs paying for another high cost increase.

But this wasn't a fault is players but was simply a "how we make decisions" observation.

To me it is obvious housing will gain functional benefits - likely QoL - like the ones they can get now with the craft tables and dummies.

Morbash · January 2017

I haven't fully upgraded my inventory space because it's way too expensive. The first 2-3 upgrades aren't too bad, but from that point forward, the price increases exponentially. And if you have multiple characters, it's that much more expensive.

ZOS's reasoning for not including more inventory options with player housing is flawed.

souravami · January 2017

That's a lame and disrespectful excuse on part of ZOS. The true reason is they're gonna monetize house storage as well.