Please slow down CP gain

robertthebard · January 2017

LiquidSchwartz wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

LiquidSchwartz wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Say that after you make it to level 50 you just decided to grind CP points.

If you ground 4 or so points a day it would take you about 4 1/4 months to grind out to 561. If you were HARDCORE grinding, figure 2 1/2 to 3 months.

By grinding instead for 6 months, would that make you a better player?

In my opinion, the real issue here is grinding CP points in general. Grinding does NOT make you a better player - no matter how long you do it.

What we really need is progressively harder content that teaches and challenges players to LEARN their class, their role in the group, and the way the game's mechanics work.

We do not need longer grinding sessions.

I agree with you, but the likelihood of harder content (other than trials and new dungeons) like actually hard quests or storylines is very minimal.
idk i feel like if you put many hours into the game you'd be better at it but i just want to be able to have reliability with grouping with someone who says "hey anyone wanna do this" like if i join them and see 561 i want to be able to assume they aren't going to spam heavy attacks.

What you are asking for will NOT change the fairly lo bar of player skill. What you are asking for is to have a game full of elite gamers, and that is just not going to happen.

I have played since release, have deleted more toons than many people will ever create, and have run all solo and most group content multiple times, and I'll bet I STILL couldn't meet your expectations. I'm old and my reaction times are simply slower.

We are not all destined for greatness. Just like in real life, there will be some that struggle and lag behind - it's just human nature. You claim to not be elitist (and you may not feel that you are) but many of your statements come across that way.

I have spent my last couple months of ESO game time helping people finish vMoL so that they can have their skin or just for gold jewelry.. I do score runs with the best people I know, but I don't expect anyone else to be AMAZING.. I just want them to have the basics down like weaving skills with light attacks or using the right morphs.. Is that really an elitist? I dont ask about bst's or even care if you have gold gear or if you die a couple times.. Idk maybe I am an elitist, i just want people to play at a level that they appear to be. Max level to me has always meant "I know what I' doing.

Regarding that bolded at the end there, when has that ever been true? Max level means exactly one thing "someone is at max level". It has never, and will never mean that they know what they're doing. It could mean that they have a good guild that carried them there, I've seen that more times than I care to recount. It could mean that they got lucky and got through content with good groups that didn't mind carrying them there, but none of this requires any skill, unless it's skill at picking a guild or group. Not that there won't be players at max level that do know what they're doing, it's just that max level does not have to mean max skill.

Prof_Bawbag · January 2017

I'm not a grammar or spelling ***, but something that is glaringly obvious, a lot of people have issues spelling the word "ridiculous". I'd see the issue if "rediculous" even sounded like the word it's attempting to be, but it doesn't. It's akin to those who pronounce 'specific' as "pacific".

LiquidSchwartz · January 2017

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

I'm not a grammar or spelling ***, but something that is glaringly obvious, a lot of people have issues spelling the word "ridiculous". I'd see the issue if "rediculous" even sounded like the word it's attempting to be, but it doesn't. It's akin to those who pronounce 'specific' as "pacific".

i fixed it sorry english isnt my first language nor is it what is set on my computer so sometimes i miss a couple words

but what did that even have to do w the topic

LiquidSchwartz · January 2017

robertthebard wrote: »

LiquidSchwartz wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

LiquidSchwartz wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Say that after you make it to level 50 you just decided to grind CP points.

If you ground 4 or so points a day it would take you about 4 1/4 months to grind out to 561. If you were HARDCORE grinding, figure 2 1/2 to 3 months.

By grinding instead for 6 months, would that make you a better player?

In my opinion, the real issue here is grinding CP points in general. Grinding does NOT make you a better player - no matter how long you do it.

What we really need is progressively harder content that teaches and challenges players to LEARN their class, their role in the group, and the way the game's mechanics work.

We do not need longer grinding sessions.

I agree with you, but the likelihood of harder content (other than trials and new dungeons) like actually hard quests or storylines is very minimal.
idk i feel like if you put many hours into the game you'd be better at it but i just want to be able to have reliability with grouping with someone who says "hey anyone wanna do this" like if i join them and see 561 i want to be able to assume they aren't going to spam heavy attacks.

What you are asking for will NOT change the fairly lo bar of player skill. What you are asking for is to have a game full of elite gamers, and that is just not going to happen.

I have played since release, have deleted more toons than many people will ever create, and have run all solo and most group content multiple times, and I'll bet I STILL couldn't meet your expectations. I'm old and my reaction times are simply slower.

We are not all destined for greatness. Just like in real life, there will be some that struggle and lag behind - it's just human nature. You claim to not be elitist (and you may not feel that you are) but many of your statements come across that way.

I have spent my last couple months of ESO game time helping people finish vMoL so that they can have their skin or just for gold jewelry.. I do score runs with the best people I know, but I don't expect anyone else to be AMAZING.. I just want them to have the basics down like weaving skills with light attacks or using the right morphs.. Is that really an elitist? I dont ask about bst's or even care if you have gold gear or if you die a couple times.. Idk maybe I am an elitist, i just want people to play at a level that they appear to be. Max level to me has always meant "I know what I' doing.

Regarding that bolded at the end there, when has that ever been true? Max level means exactly one thing "someone is at max level". It has never, and will never mean that they know what they're doing. It could mean that they have a good guild that carried them there, I've seen that more times than I care to recount. It could mean that they got lucky and got through content with good groups that didn't mind carrying them there, but none of this requires any skill, unless it's skill at picking a guild or group. Not that there won't be players at max level that do know what they're doing, it's just that max level does not have to mean max skill.

thats fair
its just that whenever i was hitting the max levels i was able to clear all the content available at the time and so was everyone i played with
seemed like most people i had met were decently skilled when they hit max lv
now there are so many who are terrible and barely played for a couple months and expecting to be treated equal as droathra destroyers on xbox its crazy
and if you expect them not to cosplay as a corpse the whole raid youre called an elitist?
idk i only expect someone do ok not stellar thats all

robertthebard · January 2017

LiquidSchwartz wrote: »

thats fair
its just that whenever i was hitting the max levels i was able to clear all the content available at the time and so was everyone i played with
seemed like most people i had met were decently skilled when they hit max lv
now there are so many who are terrible and barely played for a couple months and expecting to be treated equal as droathra destroyers on xbox its crazy
and if you expect them not to cosplay as a corpse the whole raid youre called an elitist?
idk i only expect someone do ok not stellar thats all

I get that. I'd love to see it happen a lot. However, the realist in me, and decades of experience, realizes that it's not going to happen, and making CP take longer to get isn't going to solve it. There will always be those looking for a free ride, and if the ride's a bit longer than it is now, it's not going to bother them. The ones it will, or may bother are the ones that are actually putting in the work to get there.

bigmamajama · January 2017

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Wheres the LOL button when you need it?

Edit- decided it was kind of unfair to JUST make a joke. OP, I'm leveling an alt account as we speak and it is painful how slow it is. I have all purple training gear and ambrosia, grinding mobs. I gave up at 160 (took me weeks) with enlightenment.

So yes, I have trouble taking the suggestion seriously.

Weeks you say? That's a blink of an eye.

idk · January 2017

LiquidSchwartz wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@LiquidSchwartz has gone to the dark side or is not really serious about this thread.

I do think it's funny when players go all elitists when they're not elite.

lol you don't know my gamertag, what ive done, my cp, or anything about me
im not claiming to be an elitist but getting to 160 cp in DAY is too fast

LiquidSchwartz wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

LiquidSchwartz wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Wheres the LOL button when you need it?

Edit- decided it was kind of unfair to JUST make a joke. OP, I'm leveling an alt account as we speak and it is painful how slow it is. I have all purple training gear and ambrosia, grinding mobs. I gave up at 160 (took me weeks) with enlightenment.

So yes, I have trouble taking the suggestion seriously.

deltia got to 160cp in ONE DAY he even has a guide for it.

Basing this on getting to CP 160 is a literal joke considering the sliding scale of XP per CP point. Come back with a Somid basis for your argument then we can have a real convo instead of this one.

LiquidSchwartz wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@LiquidSchwartz has gone to the dark side or is not really serious about this thread.

I do think it's funny when players go all elitists when they're not elite.

lol you don't know my gamertag, what ive done, my cp, or anything about me
im not claiming to be an elitist but getting to 160 cp in ONE DAY is too fast

@LiquidSchwartz your gamer tag and the rest is irrelevant. Making an argument based off getting to CP160 in a day is almost as irrelevant. Read above.

I don't base that as what getting to 160 cp takes, but it is still a fact that you can get there in one day if you grind your exp correctly. You can disagree with me, but what I don't get is why you brought up me being an elitist or not then called everything I said irrelevant when you know nothing about me lol
just because I think it should take a little longer to hit max level and learn more about the game other than spamming your aoes to get xp doesnt mean im an elitist

@LiquidSchwartz

More than once you mentioned the speed to get to CP 160 which is my focus.

This argument cannot occur properly without looking at time spent getting the last 200 CP which is considerably longer even at 20 hours per week.

A new player playing 20 hours a week should be able to max a character out in 30 days. 60 tops. It's very bad for the game to make it otherwise.

ESO has always had a stupidly absurd leveling system. Starting with vet levels then adding CP which keeps extending a few times a year. While we can agree to disagree I think it's absurd and short sighted to want to punish newer players in the manner that seems to be suggested.

But heck, everyone's entitled to their oppinion.

MissBizz · January 2017

..... I've been playing since April 2014... And I'm not even max CP.

kyle.wilson · January 2017

There's a player with >1700cp that's garbage. CP don't mean crap.
But, this sounds like a round about way to complain about random pledges. Because you know the quality of friends and guildies.
If you're having a bad experience doing randoms, find a pve guild.

sumisu1 · January 2017

Nyghthowler · January 2017

Beardimus wrote: »

Agreed, its way too easy to level now, and just stacks people at the top with way less experience.

Even leveling alts, I mean it's cool on one hand, I felt as I leveled play builds but now I have a few 561 toons ans I ha e no idea on best playstyle. Being a L40 healer you get breaks, 561 its expected. And leveling was so fast.

Problem is everyone is rushing to top out, not enjoying the game but grinding. For me its about the journey not destination.

Enlightment & entitlement are a close spelling!!

If you enjoy the journey, cool for you. That's my play style also. I play to have fun.

That being said, STOP worrying about and trying to dictate to others how they should play the game.

Shadowasrial · January 2017

You do realize that if they increased the cp every quarter by 30 like they planned it would take 9 years for us to use all 3600 champ points

The_Protagonist · January 2017

Sorry what??!
*Reads the post*
Nothing to see here! Move on!

Humatiel · January 2017

my one suggestion would be to keep things as are, with the notable exception of CP gain after the cap staying at the rate it is before the cap. As it is now its slower gaining CP after then it is up until 561.

Sausage · January 2017

rxhymn wrote: »

This game is stupid easy

Thats why its still alive. If one uses 2 month especially after the jouney in the game, they have done great service for the Zen and Game.

LadyNalcarya · January 2017

Nah, leveling speed is fine.
Grinding gear, on the other hand, takes way too much if you're unlucky.

Sausage · January 2017

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Nah, leveling speed is fine.
Grinding gear, on the other hand, takes way too much if you're unlucky.

I believe thats how it was planned, CP is short and fun progression with lots of power after you reach max lvl, then gears are harder if you really want to play longer. CP system is just a lure, for people to play longer "Hey this aint so bad!"

Prof_Bawbag · January 2017

LiquidSchwartz wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

I'm not a grammar or spelling ***, but something that is glaringly obvious, a lot of people have issues spelling the word "ridiculous". I'd see the issue if "rediculous" even sounded like the word it's attempting to be, but it doesn't. It's akin to those who pronounce 'specific' as "pacific".

i fixed it sorry english isnt my first language nor is it what is set on my computer so sometimes i miss a couple words

but what did that even have to do w the topic

@LiquidSchwartz How dare someone on here not having English as their native tongue. Nah, apologies. I had no idea. That's fair enough if this is your 2nd or 3rd language. There's a lot of English speaking people who spell it that way too for some reason.

Enslaved · January 2017

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

I'm not a grammar or spelling ***, but something that is glaringly obvious, a lot of people have issues spelling the word "ridiculous". I'd see the issue if "rediculous" even sounded like the word it's attempting to be, but it doesn't. It's akin to those who pronounce 'specific' as "pacific".

Redicolous is how its spelled in EP zones. Any halfwit knows that.

jlboozer · January 2017

No, I'm only at 270 cp after 4 months....but I do spend 95% of my time farming, I got to keep the trader full. On a positive note I have acquired a little over 2 million in gold, not bad for only 4 months of playtime imo...."Taters are gonna tate"... -Betsey Ross

Nickernator · January 2017

CP was never intended to be hard to get, it's just a matter of time till you get max CP.

nick_dean14 · January 2017

I would completely agree with making it harder to gain cp once you've hit the cap, to slow down the power creep, but arbitrarily lengthening the grind for new players is counterproductive. Why would anyone want to pick up the game now if they would never realistically reach max level if they can't dedicate their entire life to grinding in a video game? You want to keep the end-game community healthy, not continually making it harder to find a group every time a player leaves the game. The only possible reason for this (as far as I can see) is so unskilled long term players can still have something to make them feel 'better' than someone else, even if they get rekt by a skilled player that picked up the game a month ago. And that seems like pretty poor justification.

What I think is absurd is that anyone can already have more than double the currently usable number of champion points, they'll simply never be able to use them and all of their 'work' gaining XP from now on is literally useless to them.

GawdSB · January 2017

LiquidSchwartz wrote: »

bantad87 wrote: »

Let me translate that for you:

"CP Gain is too quick. ZOS needs to slow CP gain so that I can have an advantage over most players in PvP."

idc about my advantage over people

if theyre bad at the game cp doesnt help
i cleared vma on ps4 a while ago at 210 cp where many cant do it with 561
doesnt make me a god if i have 400 cp more than someone just i have more skill and practice
anyone over 160 cp is equal in my eyes because ive met great players under max and ABSOLUTE IDIOTS at max
cp isnt what im upset about but cp gain is still crazy
Im at almost 900 cp
last month alone i played around 5 hours a day 4 days a week and i gained 25 cp
At almost 900 it should take me forever to gain cp

Wow you're cool.

Danksta · January 2017

LiquidSchwartz wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Treaborne wrote: »

LiquidSchwartz wrote: »

This is rediculous you can get to max CP after a couple months of dedicated playing..
People expect hand outs and to be carried through content just BC they're max lvl
Maybe if it was harder to get there they might actually be good enough to actively contribute instead of paying their entire savings of gold to get carried through vmol
Like I'm not an elitist and I'm glad there aren't great people at the game BC everyone is differently skilled but like it took me forever to get to 501 when cp came out.. I actually had to learn a ton about playing and I'm glad for it
All I'm saying is please remove enlightened or something BC this is just stupid
People who don't play this game don't take it serious anymore BC of how easy the game has become (not saying all of it is easy but everything up to endgame)

Dude you are trippen I have been playing for a few years and still have not reached 400cp yet. If someone wants to grind hard to get capped thats up to them. So chill out please and stop trying to ruin the game for us lol.

Exactly, just seems someone just wants to hold the upper advantage over the rest of the game sitting at 100-300 cp

no that is the last thing i want omg
I WOULD LOVE EVERYONE TO BE 561
but cp doesnt = skill
id like it so that when you reach 561 you're actually good at the game not just blast through and BAM you're max level and still have the same skill you had before lv 50

I think it would be more helpful if ZoS didn't encourage players to "play how they want" and instead taught them how to play. There's no mention through tutorials of weaving, animation canceling, build do's and don'ts, and when players like myself try to teach players to play the game more often then not are greeted with hostility. I can't really blame them either, ZoS told them they could play how they want and I'm left looking like a jerk and I was just trying to help a struggling player.

LiquidSchwartz · January 2017

Danksta wrote: »

LiquidSchwartz wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Treaborne wrote: »

LiquidSchwartz wrote: »

This is rediculous you can get to max CP after a couple months of dedicated playing..
People expect hand outs and to be carried through content just BC they're max lvl
Maybe if it was harder to get there they might actually be good enough to actively contribute instead of paying their entire savings of gold to get carried through vmol
Like I'm not an elitist and I'm glad there aren't great people at the game BC everyone is differently skilled but like it took me forever to get to 501 when cp came out.. I actually had to learn a ton about playing and I'm glad for it
All I'm saying is please remove enlightened or something BC this is just stupid
People who don't play this game don't take it serious anymore BC of how easy the game has become (not saying all of it is easy but everything up to endgame)

Dude you are trippen I have been playing for a few years and still have not reached 400cp yet. If someone wants to grind hard to get capped thats up to them. So chill out please and stop trying to ruin the game for us lol.

Exactly, just seems someone just wants to hold the upper advantage over the rest of the game sitting at 100-300 cp

no that is the last thing i want omg
I WOULD LOVE EVERYONE TO BE 561
but cp doesnt = skill
id like it so that when you reach 561 you're actually good at the game not just blast through and BAM you're max level and still have the same skill you had before lv 50

I think it would be more helpful if ZoS didn't encourage players to "play how they want" and instead taught them how to play. There's no mention through tutorials of weaving, animation canceling, build do's and don'ts, and when players like myself try to teach players to play the game more often then not are greeted with hostility. I can't really blame them either, ZoS told them they could play how they want and I'm left looking like a jerk and I was just trying to help a struggling player.

Majority of console is playing how they want using magic and stam abilities evenly with low resources BC they're split between the three like in Skyrim or something
They don't want advice they want participation medals and it's annoying

LiquidSchwartz · January 2017

kyle.wilson wrote: »

There's a player with >1700cp that's garbage. CP don't mean crap.
But, this sounds like a round about way to complain about random pledges. Because you know the quality of friends and guildies.
If you're having a bad experience doing randoms, find a pve guild.

Lmao I am not talking about my group I play with or my guilds
I'm talking about the general population I'm dealing with.

Cpt_Teemo · January 2017

kyle.wilson wrote: »

There's a player with >1700cp that's garbage. CP don't mean crap.
But, this sounds like a round about way to complain about random pledges. Because you know the quality of friends and guildies.
If you're having a bad experience doing randoms, find a pve guild.

Yeah it is strange to see CP 2,000+ making new player errors by spamming templar beam on every mob that has 100% health without even using any Aoe's whatsoever in a normal dungeon I might add.

Celas_Dranacea · January 2017

I spent months and months grinding to VR14 and then to CP 501 - I do not wish that on anybody - the amount of time it takes to reach max power is a huge impediment to recruiting new players. I think we're pretty ok where we are at right now, glad that ZOS has made it somewhat easier.

MakoFore · January 2017

im max level now and my only objection to levelling fast was that i didn't have time to gather gear, skills and levels to match my cp. i got from 250 to 261 in a few months but it takes much longer than that to acquire a gold vo set, or a maelstrom weapon for example. and as we know gear isa as important as cp.

Banana · January 2017

No