Please slow down CP gain

LiquidSchwartz

holy god nvm almost all of you just call me an elitist or dont have positive feedback at all.

This is ridiculous you can get to max CP after a couple months of dedicated playing..
People expect hand outs and to be carried through content just BC they're max lvl
Maybe if it was harder to get there they might actually be good enough to actively contribute instead of paying their entire savings of gold to get carried through vmol
Like I'm not an elitist and I'm glad there aren't great people at the game BC everyone is differently skilled but like it took me forever to get to 501 when cp came out.. I actually had to learn a ton about playing and I'm glad for it
All I'm saying is please remove enlightened or something BC this is just stupid
People who don't play this game don't take it serious anymore BC of how easy the game has become (not saying all of it is easy but everything up to endgame)

DocFrost72

Wheres the LOL button when you need it?

Edit- decided it was kind of unfair to JUST make a joke. OP, I'm leveling an alt account as we speak and it is painful how slow it is. I have all purple training gear and ambrosia, grinding mobs. I gave up at 160 (took me weeks) with enlightenment.

So yes, I have trouble taking the suggestion seriously.

BlazingDynamo

Delete your account and start over. Then complain about CP being to quick to earn.

Do you want vet levels to come back as well? The leveling system is where it needs to be finally leave it alone.

Cpt_Teemo

I believe its fine where it is as well, I only gain about 2-3 levels a day anyway casually I believe that's enough to satisfy casual levelers.

OldGamerESO

Where time=progress there will always be people who think it is too "easy", but what they really mean is they have more time to play. I have played 2-4 hours a day since I started a year ago. Which I will admit is an insane amount of gaming for a family guy with a job. That is 45 x 24 hours played. And I am CP 470. And CP is slowing down as the amount per level rises. Why make that slower?

IcyDeadPeople

LiquidSchwartz wrote: »

This is rediculous you can get to max CP after a couple months of dedicated playing..

How is this a bad thing? Back when it took forever to grind to V16, returning and new players would often get discouraged and stop playing, myself included.

Koolio

As someone with 850+ Cp on console it would say the complete opposite. Increase cp gain tremendously. Make it that everyone can get closer set to cap so we can have the cap increased more. Maybe even increase Gear Cp as well. At this rate we are now I get to use 10 Cp a month. 30 Cp per update per 3 months.

TheShadowScout

LiquidSchwartz wrote: »

This is rediculous you can get to max CP after a couple months of dedicated playing...

Do you even listen to yourself?
Here, try this: "This is ridiculous you can get to max level after a couple months of dedicated playing..." - now go on and say that for any other MMO, in any other MMO forum.
What do you think will happen?
The'll laugh you off the forums. That's what.

Don't panic.
You are not at max CP. You are just at CP cap. there will be years of CP gain for you yet to come, whenever they raise cap...
And if they made the gain any slower, those players who start anew would have to go that much further to catch up, which would frustrate the lot of them.
Especially the casual playes who don't spend a couple hours each day in ESO.
The progression is fine right now.
Once you get to cap, it'll slow down anyhow, sure, you still earn CP you cannot use, but at an ever slowing rate... add that to the diminishing results, and the CP gap is far smaller then it looks, which again is good for the newcomers. So there is no sense at all in making cp gains any slower then they are right now.
Carry on.

bantad87

Let me translate that for you:

"CP Gain is too quick. ZOS needs to slow CP gain so that I can have an advantage over most players in PvP."

Biro123

OldGamerESO wrote: »

Where time=progress there will always be people who think it is too "easy", but what they really mean is they have more time to play. I have played 2-4 hours a day since I started a year ago. Which I will admit is an insane amount of gaming for a family guy with a job. That is 45 x 24 hours played. And I am CP 470. And CP is slowing down as the amount per level rises. Why make that slower?

I'm about exactly the same in every way - but around 440CP - but I mostly PVP which makes it slower. I noticed it slow massively since hitting the 400's - and they keep raising the cap *almost* as fast as I'm levelling it. Feels like I'll always be around 150cp's behind the cap.

Beardimus

Agreed, its way too easy to level now, and just stacks people at the top with way less experience.

Even leveling alts, I mean it's cool on one hand, I felt as I leveled play builds but now I have a few 561 toons ans I ha e no idea on best playstyle. Being a L40 healer you get breaks, 561 its expected. And leveling was so fast.

Problem is everyone is rushing to top out, not enjoying the game but grinding. For me its about the journey not destination.

Enlightment & entitlement are a close spelling!!

Treaborne

LiquidSchwartz wrote: »

This is rediculous you can get to max CP after a couple months of dedicated playing..
People expect hand outs and to be carried through content just BC they're max lvl
Maybe if it was harder to get there they might actually be good enough to actively contribute instead of paying their entire savings of gold to get carried through vmol
Like I'm not an elitist and I'm glad there aren't great people at the game BC everyone is differently skilled but like it took me forever to get to 501 when cp came out.. I actually had to learn a ton about playing and I'm glad for it
All I'm saying is please remove enlightened or something BC this is just stupid
People who don't play this game don't take it serious anymore BC of how easy the game has become (not saying all of it is easy but everything up to endgame)

Dude you are trippen I have been playing for a few years and still have not reached 400cp yet. If someone wants to grind hard to get capped thats up to them. So chill out please and stop trying to ruin the game for us lol.

NewBlacksmurf

I think its important to understand that CP is a post-game situation as results of a poorly design veteran system.

My guess is this "speed-up" is set to progress as many players past X CP in order to better make future adjustments.

The devs have specifically confirmed during PTS prior to CP release and prior to VR removal that this system will eventually make players much stronger than they intended.

There is going to be another big change however I'd disagree that CP gain needs to be slowed. I'd actually argue that CP1-200 needs a 50% boost cause its creating adverse problems for those who want to play with friends who may be new.

Consider the threads around grouping decisions solely based on CP as well as level 10-49 who may have 200-600 CP and how they are treated.

Edit: Now i'm above the CP cap and all but so what. I'm above because one of my alts, i decided to grind VR levels 2-14 in the old VR system when you could farm exp in the gold zone version of Riften (tigers) but as many have said....you didn't learn anything.

I'd much rather levels be created based solely on achievements and not show anything regarding level if you're level 50. Instead brackets based on achievements and color and boldness

KerinKor

LiquidSchwartz wrote: »

Like I'm not an elitist and I'm glad there aren't great people at the game BC everyone is differently skilled but like it took me forever to get to 501 when cp came out.. I actually had to learn a ton about playing and I'm glad for it

You are, I'm afraid. You're one of those 'vets' who think that because it was a huge mindless grind for them everyone who starts playing later should suffer the same way.

Also, reaching 501 was utterly pointless even when there was no CP cap, it was the mark of an 'elitist', frankly, because of the DR built into the system, and you didn't have to learn a "ton" to even reach 200, repeating something scores of times farming CP or anything else isn't learning anything you didn't learn in doing it 10 times .. CP is earned endlessly repeatng the same small collection of content, it isn't earned doing vast amounts of different content.

idk

@LiquidSchwartz has gone to the dark side or is not really serious about this thread.

I do think it's funny when players go all elitists when they're not elite.

DRXHarbinger

Please....no. it takes me 848k per cp now. It's horrifically slow when you get over the 700cp mark.

Buff cp gain and buff cp cap.

Takes-No-Prisoner

LiquidSchwartz wrote: »

This is ridiculous you can get to max CP after a couple months of dedicated playing

Lexxypwns

When I rerolled from PC to xbox it took me 2 weeks to hit cp 160, without ambrosia. Like 2 months to hit cap. I'm ok with it being that fast though, I had a lot of friends stop playing during 1.3 era because vet ranks were so oppressively hard to grind.

DRXHarbinger

Lexxypwns wrote: »

When I rerolled from PC to xbox it took me 2 weeks to hit cp 160, without ambrosia. Like 2 months to hit cap. I'm ok with it being that fast though, I had a lot of friends stop playing during 1.3 era because vet ranks were so oppressively hard to grind.

That does depend on if you no life it or not. Look at hours played and you'll go what??? Don't measure in months. ..look at hours.

LiquidSchwartz

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Wheres the LOL button when you need it?

Edit- decided it was kind of unfair to JUST make a joke. OP, I'm leveling an alt account as we speak and it is painful how slow it is. I have all purple training gear and ambrosia, grinding mobs. I gave up at 160 (took me weeks) with enlightenment.

So yes, I have trouble taking the suggestion seriously.

deltia got to 160cp in ONE DAY he even has a guide for it.

Bouldercleave

Say that after you make it to level 50 you just decided to grind CP points.

If you ground 4 or so points a day it would take you about 4 1/4 months to grind out to 561. If you were HARDCORE grinding, figure 2 1/2 to 3 months.

By grinding instead for 6 months, would that make you a better player?

In my opinion, the real issue here is grinding CP points in general. Grinding does NOT make you a better player - no matter how long you do it.

What we really need is progressively harder content that teaches and challenges players to LEARN their class, their role in the group, and the way the game's mechanics work.

We do not need longer grinding sessions.

LiquidSchwartz

bantad87 wrote: »

Let me translate that for you:

"CP Gain is too quick. ZOS needs to slow CP gain so that I can have an advantage over most players in PvP."

idc about my advantage over people

if theyre bad at the game cp doesnt help
i cleared vma on ps4 a while ago at 210 cp where many cant do it with 561
doesnt make me a god if i have 400 cp more than someone just i have more skill and practice
anyone over 160 cp is equal in my eyes because ive met great players under max and ABSOLUTE IDIOTS at max
cp isnt what im upset about but cp gain is still crazy
Im at almost 900 cp
last month alone i played around 5 hours a day 4 days a week and i gained 25 cp
At almost 900 it should take me forever to gain cp

LiquidSchwartz

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

When I rerolled from PC to xbox it took me 2 weeks to hit cp 160, without ambrosia. Like 2 months to hit cap. I'm ok with it being that fast though, I had a lot of friends stop playing during 1.3 era because vet ranks were so oppressively hard to grind.

That does depend on if you no life it or not. Look at hours played and you'll go what??? Don't measure in months. ..look at hours.

i never felt like vet ranks were oppressively hard either
i have 20 hours on one of my characters that i grinded up at vet 16
if you do it right nothing takes long at all tbh just requires a little know-how

LiquidSchwartz

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@LiquidSchwartz has gone to the dark side or is not really serious about this thread.

I do think it's funny when players go all elitists when they're not elite.

lol you don't know my gamertag, what ive done, my cp, or anything about me
im not claiming to be an elitist but getting to 160 cp in ONE DAY is too fast

LiquidSchwartz

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Say that after you make it to level 50 you just decided to grind CP points.

If you ground 4 or so points a day it would take you about 4 1/4 months to grind out to 561. If you were HARDCORE grinding, figure 2 1/2 to 3 months.

By grinding instead for 6 months, would that make you a better player?

In my opinion, the real issue here is grinding CP points in general. Grinding does NOT make you a better player - no matter how long you do it.

What we really need is progressively harder content that teaches and challenges players to LEARN their class, their role in the group, and the way the game's mechanics work.

We do not need longer grinding sessions.

I agree with you, but the likelihood of harder content (other than trials and new dungeons) like actually hard quests or storylines is very minimal.
idk i feel like if you put many hours into the game you'd be better at it but i just want to be able to have reliability with grouping with someone who says "hey anyone wanna do this" like if i join them and see 561 i want to be able to assume they aren't going to spam heavy attacks.

Bouldercleave

LiquidSchwartz wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Say that after you make it to level 50 you just decided to grind CP points.

If you ground 4 or so points a day it would take you about 4 1/4 months to grind out to 561. If you were HARDCORE grinding, figure 2 1/2 to 3 months.

By grinding instead for 6 months, would that make you a better player?

In my opinion, the real issue here is grinding CP points in general. Grinding does NOT make you a better player - no matter how long you do it.

What we really need is progressively harder content that teaches and challenges players to LEARN their class, their role in the group, and the way the game's mechanics work.

We do not need longer grinding sessions.

I agree with you, but the likelihood of harder content (other than trials and new dungeons) like actually hard quests or storylines is very minimal.
idk i feel like if you put many hours into the game you'd be better at it but i just want to be able to have reliability with grouping with someone who says "hey anyone wanna do this" like if i join them and see 561 i want to be able to assume they aren't going to spam heavy attacks.

What you are asking for will NOT change the fairly low bar of player skill. What you are asking for is to have a game full of elite gamers, and that is just not going to happen. You have to remember, some of these players are 12 years old and can't grasp some of the higher concepts of game mechanics.

I have played since release, have deleted more toons than many people will ever create, and have run all solo and most group content multiple times, and I'll bet I STILL couldn't meet your expectations. I'm old and my reaction times are simply slower.

We are not all destined for greatness. Just like in real life, there will be some that struggle and lag behind - it's just human nature. You claim to not be elitist (and you may not feel that you are) but many of your statements come across that way.

Lexxypwns

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

When I rerolled from PC to xbox it took me 2 weeks to hit cp 160, without ambrosia. Like 2 months to hit cap. I'm ok with it being that fast though, I had a lot of friends stop playing during 1.3 era because vet ranks were so oppressively hard to grind.

That does depend on if you no life it or not. Look at hours played and you'll go what??? Don't measure in months. ..look at hours.

I work 60 hours a week and have a lovely wife who I spend time with. She also plays eso so some of that time we spent playing together. I'd say just a few hours of hard grinding a day.

I know this is an edge case because a new player will not be able to start and know how to get what they need and hit a grind spot hard enough to crank out this amount of experience, I'm simply pointing out that you can hit cp160 pretty fast

rotaugen454

I have 741 CP and the last thing I want is the lower CP players having a harder time getting to the cap. I've had a lot of friends say it was too daunting to start now when I tried to talk them into playing. I've explained the catchup mechanic and am getting some interest. Take that away, and you'll prevent a lot of new players from joining.

LiquidSchwartz

Bouldercleave wrote: »

LiquidSchwartz wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Say that after you make it to level 50 you just decided to grind CP points.

If you ground 4 or so points a day it would take you about 4 1/4 months to grind out to 561. If you were HARDCORE grinding, figure 2 1/2 to 3 months.

By grinding instead for 6 months, would that make you a better player?

In my opinion, the real issue here is grinding CP points in general. Grinding does NOT make you a better player - no matter how long you do it.

What we really need is progressively harder content that teaches and challenges players to LEARN their class, their role in the group, and the way the game's mechanics work.

We do not need longer grinding sessions.

I agree with you, but the likelihood of harder content (other than trials and new dungeons) like actually hard quests or storylines is very minimal.
idk i feel like if you put many hours into the game you'd be better at it but i just want to be able to have reliability with grouping with someone who says "hey anyone wanna do this" like if i join them and see 561 i want to be able to assume they aren't going to spam heavy attacks.

What you are asking for will NOT change the fairly lo bar of player skill. What you are asking for is to have a game full of elite gamers, and that is just not going to happen.

I have played since release, have deleted more toons than many people will ever create, and have run all solo and most group content multiple times, and I'll bet I STILL couldn't meet your expectations. I'm old and my reaction times are simply slower.

We are not all destined for greatness. Just like in real life, there will be some that struggle and lag behind - it's just human nature. You claim to not be elitist (and you may not feel that you are) but many of your statements come across that way.

I have spent my last couple months of ESO game time helping people finish vMoL so that they can have their skin or just for gold jewelry.. I do score runs with the best people I know, but I don't expect anyone else to be AMAZING.. I just want them to have the basics down like weaving skills with light attacks or using the right morphs.. Is that really an elitist? I dont ask about bst's or even care if you have gold gear or if you die a couple times.. Idk maybe I am an elitist, i just want people to play at a level that they appear to be. Max level to me has always meant "I know what I' doing.

jroc699_burr

In my opinion a game like this should be geared towards the veterans of this game i understand they have to make it easier for new people but wheres the love for the people who put years in on the game?

rxhymn

This game is stupid easy