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✭✭✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »IronCrystal wrote: »I'm LOLing at the people in this thread. They call them *** and whatnot, but this is no different from being on a competitive sport team. Sure maybe the guild could have just "benched" the player until he got better, but if the guild needs more room for better players, then he's off the team!
What is so hard to understand about this.
...but...i want mystarkerealm wrote: »
Because blowing off players with the potential and willingness to improve, who could help you get there, is the path to success. Right.
He was in there for a year...if he still cant hit 30k he is beyond help...
This is the kind of attitude that makes me not want to play with these people. S'just abusive.
So many people are willing to jump on the OP and it almost entirely depends on their stance on elitism, whether or not a person shouldn't be allowed to play with others unless they got the skills. Neither is given enough information to make a conclusive judgement about the issue, it's bias talking.
Good grief charlie brown.
Not jumping on anything, its facts.
1. OP said he was in guild for a year
2. OP could not pass requirements
3. Also as been said before a guild leader can do as he pleases, its his guild. A member can always leave if they feel like they are not being treated fairly. This attitude is not elitism, its common sense...
This attitude is not elitism.
The rest of your comments have been you attempting to advance a position on the subject, as have most.Doctordarkspawn wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »IronCrystal wrote: »I'm LOLing at the people in this thread. They call them *** and whatnot, but this is no different from being on a competitive sport team. Sure maybe the guild could have just "benched" the player until he got better, but if the guild needs more room for better players, then he's off the team!
What is so hard to understand about this.
...but...i want mystarkerealm wrote: »
Because blowing off players with the potential and willingness to improve, who could help you get there, is the path to success. Right.
He was in there for a year...if he still cant hit 30k he is beyond help...
This is the kind of attitude that makes me not want to play with these people. S'just abusive.
So many people are willing to jump on the OP and it almost entirely depends on their stance on elitism, whether or not a person shouldn't be allowed to play with others unless they got the skills. Neither is given enough information to make a conclusive judgement about the issue, it's bias talking.
Good grief charlie brown.
Not jumping on anything, its facts.
1. OP said he was in guild for a year
2. OP could not pass requirements
3. Also as been said before a guild leader can do as he pleases, its his guild. A member can always leave if they feel like they are not being treated fairly. This attitude is not elitism, its common sense...
This attitude is not elitism.
The rest of your comments have been you attempting to advance a position on the subject, as have most.
I'm not here to judge the OP. I'm not here to state whether or not guilds should be run like this, I dont care, quite frankly. But I have seen your comments, many other comments, that have just become some of the most venemous I have ever seen. And it's not directed at the OP, not really. It's directed at the dissent against the system you agree with. Whether or not it -is- elitism, or whether it qualifies, is irrelevent. It's heresy against the system and must be rooted out.
That's my issue. People have gone fanatical due to one, disgruntled person.
I think what you are describing as venomous comments against anyone who challenges the establishment I see as a strong antipathy towards an entitlement mentality. All the people who dislike such a mentality have boiced their opinions here. My personal philosophy is to automatically dislike anyone who states that they are entitled to anything and I will always have a very vocal response to it. Usually the establishment shares this view. However of there was a guild that promoted mediocracy, you can count on me challenging this stance with equal zeal...
And quite frankly I find this stupid.
Disagree, fine. Disagree with the OP vocally, fine. Whatever. Call him an idiot, move on. What you've proceeded to do is sit here and soap box akin to a political movement, continually campaigning for the hardcore state of mind and shunning the nonbeliever, when all your doing is making the people who allready agreed, agree, and persuading no one by acting so toxic.
And challenging a guild that promotes mediocracy? Ooookay. First off, why does what others do bother you so much? Second off...who, the hell, cares? They wanna go ahed and be mediocre, let 'em, why do you have any say over what people do with their time?
It is entitled to presume to tell others what to do with their time. It is entitled to presume that only their idea has merit. It's just a different kind of entitlement.Edited by Doctordarkspawn on January 22, 2017 2:30AM1 -
Pinja✭✭✭✭See I don't even need to know to know, it's a two phase problem...- Aldmeri Dominion;
- Stuck up High Elf's.
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hedna123b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »IronCrystal wrote: »I'm LOLing at the people in this thread. They call them *** and whatnot, but this is no different from being on a competitive sport team. Sure maybe the guild could have just "benched" the player until he got better, but if the guild needs more room for better players, then he's off the team!
What is so hard to understand about this.
...but...i want mystarkerealm wrote: »
Because blowing off players with the potential and willingness to improve, who could help you get there, is the path to success. Right.
He was in there for a year...if he still cant hit 30k he is beyond help...
This is the kind of attitude that makes me not want to play with these people. S'just abusive.
So many people are willing to jump on the OP and it almost entirely depends on their stance on elitism, whether or not a person shouldn't be allowed to play with others unless they got the skills. Neither is given enough information to make a conclusive judgement about the issue, it's bias talking.
Good grief charlie brown.
Not jumping on anything, its facts.
1. OP said he was in guild for a year
2. OP could not pass requirements
3. Also as been said before a guild leader can do as he pleases, its his guild. A member can always leave if they feel like they are not being treated fairly. This attitude is not elitism, its common sense...
This attitude is not elitism.
The rest of your comments have been you attempting to advance a position on the subject, as have most.Doctordarkspawn wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »IronCrystal wrote: »I'm LOLing at the people in this thread. They call them *** and whatnot, but this is no different from being on a competitive sport team. Sure maybe the guild could have just "benched" the player until he got better, but if the guild needs more room for better players, then he's off the team!
What is so hard to understand about this.
...but...i want mystarkerealm wrote: »
Because blowing off players with the potential and willingness to improve, who could help you get there, is the path to success. Right.
He was in there for a year...if he still cant hit 30k he is beyond help...
This is the kind of attitude that makes me not want to play with these people. S'just abusive.
So many people are willing to jump on the OP and it almost entirely depends on their stance on elitism, whether or not a person shouldn't be allowed to play with others unless they got the skills. Neither is given enough information to make a conclusive judgement about the issue, it's bias talking.
Good grief charlie brown.
Not jumping on anything, its facts.
1. OP said he was in guild for a year
2. OP could not pass requirements
3. Also as been said before a guild leader can do as he pleases, its his guild. A member can always leave if they feel like they are not being treated fairly. This attitude is not elitism, its common sense...
This attitude is not elitism.
The rest of your comments have been you attempting to advance a position on the subject, as have most.
I'm not here to judge the OP. I'm not here to state whether or not guilds should be run like this, I dont care, quite frankly. But I have seen your comments, many other comments, that have just become some of the most venemous I have ever seen. And it's not directed at the OP, not really. It's directed at the dissent against the system you agree with. Whether or not it -is- elitism, or whether it qualifies, is irrelevent. It's heresy against the system and must be rooted out.
That's my issue. People have gone fanatical due to one, disgruntled person.
I think what you are describing as venomous comments against anyone who challenges the establishment I see as a strong antipathy towards an entitlement mentality. All the people who dislike such a mentality have boiced their opinions here. My personal philosophy is to automatically dislike anyone who states that they are entitled to anything and I will always have a very vocal response to it. Usually the establishment shares this view. However of there was a guild that promoted mediocracy, you can count on me challenging this stance with equal zeal...
And quite frankly I find this stupid.
Disagree, fine. Disagree with the OP vocally, fine. Whatever. Call him an idiot, move on. What you've proceeded to do is sit here and soap box akin to a political movement, continually campaigning for the hardcore state of mind and shunning the nonbeliever, when all your doing is making the people who allready agreed, agree, and persuading no one by acting so toxic.
And challenging a guild that promotes mediocracy? Ooookay. First off, why does what others do bother you so much? Second off...who, the hell, cares? They wanna go ahed and be mediocre, let 'em, why do you have any say over what people do with their time?
It is entitled to presume to tell others what to do with their time. It is entitled to presume that only their idea has merit. It's just a different kind of entitlement.
Please tell me exactly how to voice my opinion cutie:) Teach me oh wise one how to properly provide discourse. I of course recognize your unquestionable authority in these matters and relegate all my personal opinions to naught on the matter. I have lost my way and I need you in my life to guide me to the light! I await your infinite wisdom!2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Taternater wrote: »I didn't read all the posts, but did someone suggest that the OP just start his own PVE guild yet?
Honestly, running an active guild is a lot of work. Screwing over your guild members, however, that's pretty easy.
OP was given both time and the environment to learn, and since I do know the guild we're talking about I can assure you that the vast majority of its members welcome the change. The only people that have lost here are the ones that didn't care to improve and now its coming back to bite them.
If we take the OP at face value, the opportunity to learn provided was a video tutorial for the wrong class. Now, it's possible they're being economical with the truth, but, if true, that's pretty much the definition of, "screwing over your guild members."0 -
Humatiel✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Taternater wrote: »I didn't read all the posts, but did someone suggest that the OP just start his own PVE guild yet?
Honestly, running an active guild is a lot of work. Screwing over your guild members, however, that's pretty easy.
OP was given both time and the environment to learn, and since I do know the guild we're talking about I can assure you that the vast majority of its members welcome the change. The only people that have lost here are the ones that didn't care to improve and now its coming back to bite them.
If we take the OP at face value, the opportunity to learn provided was a video tutorial for the wrong class. Now, it's possible they're being economical with the truth, but, if true, that's pretty much the definition of, "screwing over your guild members."
To not sound to arrogant, we are talking about ESO here. It's not as if rotations are these huge mysterious things that cannot be mastered in less then ten thousand hours, its usually five abilities pressed in the same sequential order. On the topic at hand though, as I see the proverbial dust start to settle on the change in guild policy I see that the vast majority (70%+) of the members have met the challenge and overcome it and are now carrying on with there playing. I also look at this thread and notice a few of the posters are some level of staff in the guild that isn't being mentioned, so if most of the "class" gets it and at least some of the staff have openly stated they have an "open door policy" for help how long can we really look at this as some egregious targeted crime.
Now we can in theory argue that they should have approached OP with more consistency but then that would mean that this would go both ways, and I assure you that the guild wasn't requiring OP put in so many hours a week raiding. At the end of all the dramatic ranting and stomping of feet it is a game, and if the OP didn't want to progress in that particular area of expertise then why would they be part of a community that does?VMA | vHRC-HM | vAA-HM | vSO-HM | vMOL-HM
700+ CP
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Druachan✭✭✭
I can understand how you might want to find out if someone is maybe going to fit into your guild or if its not right for them, but seems to me theres a few who forget what its all about.Say please, before you AAAAAaaaarrrgghhh at me.0 -
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Yeah, I'm sure your great and kind personality will get a progressive raiding guild on the number 1 spot of the leaderboards!
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Taternater✭✭✭
This is another reason I don't think a progression guild is suited for you, you're arguing what is good and what is not with a theorycrafter. You shouldn't be stubborn to those offering advice to up your damage, like I previously said, most of your damage comes from how you are built.magnusthorek wrote: »I won't lie I know all sets in game. this is a game and it's supposed to be fun but if you think Soulshine and Soul Assault is bad and that there are other alternatives, name them, defend your argument, because I'm searched a lot and didn't find *much* (let's emphasize this) information about Magicka Templar in one Tamriel.
More even! Give publicly the advice or the "mentoring" it should be given while in the guild, instead of giving me a a worthless Magicka DK video.
For Magicka DPS
Twice Born Star (Crafted)
Infallible Aether (Dropped)
Moondancer (Dropped)
Burning Spellweave (Dropped)
Julianos (Crafted)
Scathing Mage(Dropped)
Grothdarr (Dropped)
Skoria (Dropped)
Ilambris (Dropped)
These are the sets you want to focus on as an end game player, no other set should be included here. I do not want to argue it if you ask me to, take the advice how you want to.
Is that list going to be the same after Feburary 6th?0
