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Samwell Slayer✭✭✭magnusthorek wrote: »
Yes it is, it hits 15~20k per second.reesenorman wrote: »Btw Soulshine and Soul Assault on a magplar is not good.
Of course, it's not the only one one I use. For heavy and intense AoE (or HM Trials), I prefer Shooting Star or Elemental Rage.
By the way, you and me played together very little times so, please, use your own arguments instead of what Guild is telling you to say
If there were any question as to the validity of the OP's claim, here is your proof. When you're bad, which you clearly are very very very bad, you waste other people's time. If you think that other people ought to waste their time for you, then you are the elitist. You are showing up for a baseball game with a hockey stick and saying put me in coach, and when you're left out you blame the coach instead of yourself.
Don't use soul assault. You are waving your hockey stick around.
PC/Mac NA server. Cast, in order of appearance (got one of everything):
Samwell Slayer Stam NB AD Stormproof
Samantha Tarly Stam Sorc DC FC
The Sawmell Tarly Tank DK EP Stormproof
Tamwell Sarly Mgk Temp AD FC
Covenant Blues Mgk DK EP Stormproof
Samwell Tardy Mgk Sorc AD FC
Stam Tarly Stam Temp AD Stormproof
Samwelf Tarly Mgk NB DC FC
Stamwell Tarly Stam DK DC FC
Maester Samwell Heal Temp DC
Samara Tarly Tank NB EP
Sam Mfing Tarly Mule Sorc EP
Warden of HTarly. Mgk. Ward AD FC
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✭First.... screw that guild.
Second, it would be nice if extremely high dps wasn't always the most important quality desired.
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✭✭✭✭✭It's because of the things that the OP describes, that I'm happy that the guild I'm apart of which does trials is so laid-back and relaxed. They're not strict when it comes to things like running trials, and are pretty down-to-Earth folks (from what I've experienced and observed).
It's also pleasing that I'm capable of doing everything in PvE (except trials) by myself, so that I don't have to put-up with other people's nonsense. If I want something, I simply can go and do/get it. If things go wrong, then it's my fault. If things go amazingly well, then I take all the credit. It's truly a wonderful feeling when you've reached a point that you don't really 'need' others in a MMO. It's a comforting feeling, that has a hint of satisfaction.Edited by Ch4mpTW on January 21, 2017 3:31AM1 -
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X3ina✭✭✭To OP:
1. So if a guild wat #1 spots on the leaderboard, they are jerks ?
2. If they worked hard to fill the group of likeminded people with highmotivation and skills, they are jerks ?
3. If you fail to to join them because of your online, they are jerks ?SW GoH > ESO1 -
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Because blowing off players with the potential and willingness to improve, who could help you get there, is the path to success. Right.2 -
starkerealm wrote: »
Because blowing off players with the potential and willingness to improve, who could help you get there, is the path to success. Right.
"potential", now that's a very big assumption, which seems to be wrong considering he got kicked from the guild.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yuukir_MapleBeaver wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »
Because blowing off players with the potential and willingness to improve, who could help you get there, is the path to success. Right.
"potential", now that's a very big assumption, which seems to be wrong considering he got kicked from the guild.
Potential to improve isn't a huge assumption. Particularly if they're being held back by rookie mistakes, and willing to learn from them. Now, having a guild that can't poke its head up long enough to see that they're there, and is simply kicking them outright...
At some level, I've got to ask, to what end? I mean, my experience with guilds has been trading and casual. I get when trade guilds are like, "you haven't sold anything in the last 24 hours? Get outta here." 500 slots, the guild needs you to be performing, or they'll lose their kiosk. But, Progression Guilds? Are they really running that tight for members?Edited by starkerealm on January 21, 2017 6:17AM1 -
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✭IronCrystal wrote: »I'm LOLing at the people in this thread. They call them *** and whatnot, but this is no different from being on a competitive sport team. Sure maybe the guild could have just "benched" the player until he got better, but if the guild needs more room for better players, then he's off the team!
What is so hard to understand about this.
...but...i want mystarkerealm wrote: »
Because blowing off players with the potential and willingness to improve, who could help you get there, is the path to success. Right.
He was in there for a year...if he still cant hit 30k he is beyond help...3 -
Majic✭✭✭✭✭People who take guild business to forums to drum up sympathy with one-sided rants tend to be a bad fit for any guild.
Just sayin'Epopt Of The Everspinning Logo, Church Of The Eternal Loading Screen
And verily, verily, spaketh the Lord: "Error <<1>>"7 -
Tinus_92✭✭✭I've been left out of 3 guilds core groups because my DPS wasn't enough at the time (~30k). 2 of them have been ended due to not completing vmol, because they were lacking enough good players in their view. The third one eventually completed it by recruiting new people for their core group, not paying any attention towards their own.
It's difficult to find a good trials group who pay attention towards all their members. Perhaps create a 2nd learning group, or let those players join on the more casual-aimed veteran runs.Edited by Tinus_92 on January 21, 2017 12:03PMIngame ID: @Suni_920 -
Sounds like you need some Crowns. Try getting734 Champion points, remember cancel those animations! All I know is Im getting a little house on the prairie, w/ a garden then Im gonna raid the kitchen.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Not gonna judge one way or the other, really. I dont know these people, I dont know the OP, I dont have enough information to make judgements.
Methinks this should never have come to the forums
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✭✭✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »IronCrystal wrote: »I'm LOLing at the people in this thread. They call them *** and whatnot, but this is no different from being on a competitive sport team. Sure maybe the guild could have just "benched" the player until he got better, but if the guild needs more room for better players, then he's off the team!
What is so hard to understand about this.
...but...i want mystarkerealm wrote: »
Because blowing off players with the potential and willingness to improve, who could help you get there, is the path to success. Right.
He was in there for a year...if he still cant hit 30k he is beyond help...
This is the kind of attitude that makes me not want to play with these people. S'just abusive.
So many people are willing to jump on the OP and it almost entirely depends on their stance on elitism, whether or not a person shouldn't be allowed to play with others unless they got the skills. Neither is given enough information to make a conclusive judgement about the issue, it's bias talking.
Good grief charlie brown.Edited by Doctordarkspawn on January 21, 2017 1:28PM2 -
AzuraKin✭✭✭✭✭magnusthorek wrote: »TL;DR
Elitism is a cancerous evil and caused my removal of an endgame Guild. Now move a long
I've been finally kicked of the end-game guild I was member for almost one year because because of technical details: I didn't manage to get a score against a dungeon boss that helps nothing against the real deal (trial bosses).
The "administration" always announced that Magicka players should achieve at least 30k as DPS while Stamina, 38k. When they first "threatened" purging the guild towards their elitism numbers I was really bad, barely reaching 18k.
Then I improved A LOT getting a DPS mark floating from 32k and up to 41k (once) against trial bosses on veteran difficult (32k was an HM run with a training group). Heck... even the first and only time I did vMoL I've got 35k, even not knowing the slightly different mechanics, learning them just-in-time.
With those results I was happy!
But then came the unnecessary test against an unreasonable and very situational dungeon boss and, although those marks were publicly announced, through mass mails, secretly, behind the scenes, the real goal was 35k for Magicka players. And this unbuffed!
I was reluctant on doing a DPS test under such circumstances. It didn't make sense! I've sent several DPS parses of important bosses (Warrior, Mage, in between mini-bosses...) and all of them were rejected because "they had adds numbers" even though there were no influence of them on data (only boss name in the reports). But I did my part. i gave up and did the "test" and, when I finally got a DPS Test group after spent THE WHOLE WEEK asking (since we had a deadline tomorrow, Sunday), I didn't manage to get the numbers.
I could blame the group that came with me during the "test" but they're nice fellows and don't deserve that. Did they do a good job on buffs? Can't say, but my latency, although it shows a moderately low number everyday, is a liar and was the real villain to blame. Every action takes like 3 seconds to happen, today was even worse and not only with me. I 'learned to lag" in the course of months of course but, for example, I can't be part of this cancerous community that cancel animations without suffer a double bar swap.
Now the [Snip] in the fan part!
1) Earlier today the "administration" whispered me "intimidating" I had until tomorrow to present my results.
This is an international game and people live under different timezones, so much that my Aussie friends were celebrating new year before me. With this in mind, for example, to me, Sunday is tomorrow and I've been kicked 45 minutes ago, which still Saturday.
Theoretically I could change gears and try again tomorrow, but I didn't have the chance.
2) Because of my timezone and the impossibility of playing at night (for most of you) because the server gets too crowded (I've tested it once) I often miss A LOT of opportunities. The only time I managed to go vMoL I had to wake up VERY early to get the "end of dawn" of the guild.
3) During afternoon (here) which is when I usually play, I literally have to beg for pledges or trials for weekly and people don't even answer. I understand if people don't want to do or can't in that moment but why the silence?
4) A lot of players in this guild hated me. Even people that used to be friendly to me got so cocky because were considered member of a "core" group started to treat me bad. Some proofs:
- A couple weeks ago we were doing vHRC for weekly I think. I was in a group and when we finished the crown said something like "if you want to go again drop group, change toons and X up in guild". I did and never got the invitation back for a group I WAS ALREADY IN. they quickly filled the DPS role with someone else and didn't have even the decency to explain.
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- Today morning a lot of good players online and my first guild message in chat was for a vMoL group for the weekly. everyone silent (again) but then 30 minutes later (I was more or less monitoring the Guild roster) they formed a group in secret (probably through whispers or TS) and did the weekly.
I don't know you but to me, in my country, this characterizes as being personal, but they were too coward to speak to me directly.
5) A long time ago a player joined a vAA group formed by someone else AFTER me. He took the lead and kicked me without reason. I asked why and he threw on my face I was a bad player because he happened to be in the same run I was when learning vAA, that back when the trials was rescaled in which I made mistakes (who don't while learning?). He had balls to do that, I admit, but I argued with him, explained I was learning and got back in the group. and to shut him up I did the whole place flawlessly.
Isn't this personal? I tried to contact the "public relations" of guild, giving my feedback and to make sure it would be read I asked a favor in the message. This favor never happened...
Anyway...
THE GUILD ASKED TOO MUCH AND PROVIDED TOO LITTLE
If you run or is member of a guild that does veteran trials at different periods of time (something around -5 hours from the time of this topic) and couldn't take the newest homeless DPS of Tamriel without such rudeness and cockiness, please let me know.
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lol i have never heard of a guild kicking people out for not having x dps, just they wont invite them to thier vet trial runs.v160 spellsword (nightblade)
v160 restoration archmage (Templar)
v160 battlemage (sorcerer)
v160 restoration archmage (Templar)
v160 warrior (DragonKnight)
v160 assassin (nightblade)
v160 swordsman (sorcerer)
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✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »IronCrystal wrote: »I'm LOLing at the people in this thread. They call them *** and whatnot, but this is no different from being on a competitive sport team. Sure maybe the guild could have just "benched" the player until he got better, but if the guild needs more room for better players, then he's off the team!
What is so hard to understand about this.
...but...i want mystarkerealm wrote: »
Because blowing off players with the potential and willingness to improve, who could help you get there, is the path to success. Right.
He was in there for a year...if he still cant hit 30k he is beyond help...
This is the kind of attitude that makes me not want to play with these people. S'just abusive.
So many people are willing to jump on the OP and it almost entirely depends on their stance on elitism, whether or not a person shouldn't be allowed to play with others unless they got the skills. Neither is given enough information to make a conclusive judgement about the issue, it's bias talking.
Good grief charlie brown.
Not jumping on anything, its facts.
1. OP said he was in guild for a year
2. OP could not pass requirements
3. Also as been said before a guild leader can do as he pleases, its his guild. A member can always leave if they feel like they are not being treated fairly. This attitude is not elitism, its common sense...2 -
FLuFFyxMuFFiN✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭First.... screw that guild.
Second, it would be nice if extremely high dps wasn't always the most important quality desired.
It is what it is. I currently get about 23k dps right now. Is that great? No but I am okay with that because it used to be a lot lower than that a few months ago. I am constantly looking to improve in hopes that I can participate in HM trials without feeling like I am dragging people down. High DPS means the boss fights don't last as long. Longer boss fights mean there is a higher chance someone will make a mistake and mistakes get people killed. That is why high DPS is desirable. If someone doesn't wanna put in the time to raise their DPS then they shouldn't feel bad if nobody takes the time to help them.2 -
Tinus_92✭✭✭FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »First.... screw that guild.
Second, it would be nice if extremely high dps wasn't always the most important quality desired.
It is what it is. I currently get about 23k dps right now. Is that great? No but I am okay with that because it used to be a lot lower than that a few months ago. I am constantly looking to improve in hopes that I can participate in HM trials without feeling like I am dragging people down. High DPS means the boss fights don't last as long. Longer boss fights mean there is a higher chance someone will make a mistake and mistakes get people killed. That is why high DPS is desirable. If someone doesn't wanna put in the time to raise their DPS then they shouldn't feel bad if nobody takes the time to help them.
While this is true for some bossess, there also are a few which require a decent amount of DPS or bossess will attack so quickly no one will be able to stay alive. For example AA's final boss or vmol's first boss. (You'll end up having no pillars left to hide.)Edited by Tinus_92 on January 21, 2017 4:28PMIngame ID: @Suni_920 -
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✭starkerealm wrote: »
Because blowing off players with the potential and willingness to improve, who could help you get there, is the path to success. Right.
Somewhere in this thread it was mentioned players were given 6 months to get to the desired level of skill.
Seems pretty *** generous to me. That's far longer than most guilds would put up with someone.
You don't start at the top. You have to work your way up there and there are plenty of more casual oriented raiding guilds to teach people the ropes.Edited by Dymence on January 21, 2017 5:28PM4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »IronCrystal wrote: »I'm LOLing at the people in this thread. They call them *** and whatnot, but this is no different from being on a competitive sport team. Sure maybe the guild could have just "benched" the player until he got better, but if the guild needs more room for better players, then he's off the team!
What is so hard to understand about this.
...but...i want mystarkerealm wrote: »
Because blowing off players with the potential and willingness to improve, who could help you get there, is the path to success. Right.
He was in there for a year...if he still cant hit 30k he is beyond help...
This is the kind of attitude that makes me not want to play with these people. S'just abusive.
So many people are willing to jump on the OP and it almost entirely depends on their stance on elitism, whether or not a person shouldn't be allowed to play with others unless they got the skills. Neither is given enough information to make a conclusive judgement about the issue, it's bias talking.
Good grief charlie brown.
Not jumping on anything, its facts.
1. OP said he was in guild for a year
2. OP could not pass requirements
3. Also as been said before a guild leader can do as he pleases, its his guild. A member can always leave if they feel like they are not being treated fairly. This attitude is not elitism, its common sense...
This attitude is not elitism.
The rest of your comments have been you attempting to advance a position on the subject, as have most.
I'm not here to judge the OP. I'm not here to state whether or not guilds should be run like this, I dont care, quite frankly. But I have seen your comments, many other comments, that have just become some of the most venemous I have ever seen. And it's not directed at the OP, not really. It's directed at the dissent against the system you agree with. Whether or not it -is- elitism, or whether it qualifies, is irrelevent. It's heresy against the system and must be rooted out.
That's my issue. People have gone fanatical due to one, disgruntled person.Edited by Doctordarkspawn on January 21, 2017 8:34PM0 -
Bramir✭✭✭✭The fact that they had different numbers requirements for magicka vs stamina builds points to a bigger problem with the game itself, but also the absurdity that they really shouldn't be allowing any magicka builds at all if they think that way.0 -
Taternater✭✭✭I didn't read all the posts, but did someone suggest that the OP just start his own PVE guild yet?0
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Metafae✭✭✭✭✭The fact that they had different numbers requirements for magicka vs stamina builds points to a bigger problem with the game itself, but also the absurdity that they really shouldn't be allowing any magicka builds at all if they think that way.
Magic builds provide advantage in raids that make them worth having slightly less DPS than a stam build.
1) They have damage shields, which can prevent deaths and loss of score
2) They can be ranged, this is important when there are mechanics that avoid the group stacking together like with the first boss in vMoL during his shield phase. You need a lot of DPS but people need to be "soft stacking" to stay in heals, but not killing each other.
3) Fire mages in particular are useful in the twins fight as they can help pull the adds around with their chains, Stam DK's can do this too, but are less effective when there are a lot of adds spawning.
4) Ranged are useful when drawing certain mechanics away from the main group, this can be seen in the Mantikora fight in SO, having a group of ranged stand back from the main group to draw the poison spears away from the main group. It's also used in vMoL final fight to draw the meteors away from the main group so that their dps isn't lowered too much during that phase.
Stam may provide amazing dps, which may be changing with the update coming, but there are always drawbacks to being in a full melee group.1 -
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✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »IronCrystal wrote: »I'm LOLing at the people in this thread. They call them *** and whatnot, but this is no different from being on a competitive sport team. Sure maybe the guild could have just "benched" the player until he got better, but if the guild needs more room for better players, then he's off the team!
What is so hard to understand about this.
...but...i want mystarkerealm wrote: »
Because blowing off players with the potential and willingness to improve, who could help you get there, is the path to success. Right.
He was in there for a year...if he still cant hit 30k he is beyond help...
This is the kind of attitude that makes me not want to play with these people. S'just abusive.
So many people are willing to jump on the OP and it almost entirely depends on their stance on elitism, whether or not a person shouldn't be allowed to play with others unless they got the skills. Neither is given enough information to make a conclusive judgement about the issue, it's bias talking.
Good grief charlie brown.
Not jumping on anything, its facts.
1. OP said he was in guild for a year
2. OP could not pass requirements
3. Also as been said before a guild leader can do as he pleases, its his guild. A member can always leave if they feel like they are not being treated fairly. This attitude is not elitism, its common sense...
This attitude is not elitism.
The rest of your comments have been you attempting to advance a position on the subject, as have most.Doctordarkspawn wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »IronCrystal wrote: »I'm LOLing at the people in this thread. They call them *** and whatnot, but this is no different from being on a competitive sport team. Sure maybe the guild could have just "benched" the player until he got better, but if the guild needs more room for better players, then he's off the team!
What is so hard to understand about this.
...but...i want mystarkerealm wrote: »
Because blowing off players with the potential and willingness to improve, who could help you get there, is the path to success. Right.
He was in there for a year...if he still cant hit 30k he is beyond help...
This is the kind of attitude that makes me not want to play with these people. S'just abusive.
So many people are willing to jump on the OP and it almost entirely depends on their stance on elitism, whether or not a person shouldn't be allowed to play with others unless they got the skills. Neither is given enough information to make a conclusive judgement about the issue, it's bias talking.
Good grief charlie brown.
Not jumping on anything, its facts.
1. OP said he was in guild for a year
2. OP could not pass requirements
3. Also as been said before a guild leader can do as he pleases, its his guild. A member can always leave if they feel like they are not being treated fairly. This attitude is not elitism, its common sense...
This attitude is not elitism.
The rest of your comments have been you attempting to advance a position on the subject, as have most.
I'm not here to judge the OP. I'm not here to state whether or not guilds should be run like this, I dont care, quite frankly. But I have seen your comments, many other comments, that have just become some of the most venemous I have ever seen. And it's not directed at the OP, not really. It's directed at the dissent against the system you agree with. Whether or not it -is- elitism, or whether it qualifies, is irrelevent. It's heresy against the system and must be rooted out.
That's my issue. People have gone fanatical due to one, disgruntled person.
I think what you are describing as venomous comments against anyone who challenges the establishment I see as a strong antipathy towards an entitlement mentality. All the people who dislike such a mentality have boiced their opinions here. My personal philosophy is to automatically dislike anyone who states that they are entitled to anything and I will always have a very vocal response to it. Usually the establishment shares this view. However of there was a guild that promoted mediocracy, you can count on me challenging this stance with equal zeal...2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Taternater wrote: »I didn't read all the posts, but did someone suggest that the OP just start his own PVE guild yet?
Honestly, running an active guild is a lot of work. Screwing over your guild members, however, that's pretty easy.1 -
Humatiel✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Taternater wrote: »I didn't read all the posts, but did someone suggest that the OP just start his own PVE guild yet?
Honestly, running an active guild is a lot of work. Screwing over your guild members, however, that's pretty easy.
OP was given both time and the environment to learn, and since I do know the guild we're talking about I can assure you that the vast majority of its members welcome the change. The only people that have lost here are the ones that didn't care to improve and now its coming back to bite them.Edited by Humatiel on January 22, 2017 1:48AMVMA | vHRC-HM | vAA-HM | vSO-HM | vMOL-HM
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