Armitas wrote: »

Fengrush made a good point that 'all our sets are based on spell power, not max magicka'. Many farmed BSW 300x for their gear and now it's max magicka we have to stack. The best max magicka set is locked on having pets (necropentence). I think the most consolidated 5piece max magicka set we could get is 3 grace of the ancients (4%mag) and 2 will power. All of which take up our "any armor type" slots.

Even with spell damage sets, it isn't hard to hit high max magicka. I'm around 41k with silks. I made a build once with willpower and grace of the ancients. Got up to 49k magicka or something like that but the spell damage and regen is cheeks so you're better off going lower magicka anyways.

^Well you know everyone loves to complain in PvP that DKs are so tanky even though we run sometimes 5 light or 5 medium. Usually it's the stamina crowd making that statement and the best part is we do not have a physical resistance passive but nightblades do and for some reason they're suppose to be the 'squishy glass canon' type.

It's all about the armor you wear on your character but I guess months to a year of people crying "OMG Stam DK #1 PvP FoodChain" is still taking it's toll.

They need to leave it alone and actually buff it to 10% if we're not truly receiving 10%; I never knew we did or didn't because I didn't really test it out but come on ZOS. You guys built us as the class with sustain and holding your ground but little by little you take each role from us. You've already took sustain away so we're no longer the class with the best sustain... heck other classes heal for two resources using 1 skill. Now you're taking the tank role from us too, sure we have some healing received passives but it's not like PvP wise this we're some un-kill-able tank destroying the entire game.

Just give our class something, make us the best sustain class by reducing all our magicka costs for all our abilities by a good 200-400, make cauterize restore magicka by giving it minor magicka steal when activated + make it give magicka back to us when it kills an enemy (maybe 500 - 800 magicka) + change the skill back to an AoE but make it a blue flame. Flames of oblivion obviously goes back to an AoE as well but it increases DoT damage while applying a DoT/ doing constant flame damage. Coag blood make it scale off of max health but make it start at 40% of your max health and allow it to crit (even through battle spirit you should get a decent consistent heal especially if you throw in major mending also give it minor intellect when used.
Green dragons blood should apply something like minor stamina steal or just give a fixed amount of stamina back upon usage and replace it's major endurance/fortitude with minor endurance/fortitude.

Increase stamina return upon using an earthen heart ability to 10% from 5%.

These changes imo would give the sustain to us so we can actually be that class of sustain as we were suppose to be but thanks to ulti regen being nerf'd we do not gain ulti faster than any other class honestly (maybe a couple seconds more).

Armitas wrote: »

ZoM_Head wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

One thing I see happening with this reflect change is that Sorcs will move away from lit staves to gain the single target damage buff of a fire staff to put extra damage on force shock, overload, and shards. This means that while we are rooted from encase after encase and mortar after mortar, while we try to find our way into the sorc mine fortress we are going to be hit by + 8% force shocks. If several DK's start to drop wings from their bar then eventually we will see fire staff weaving added to the mix. This is a really bad change.

I have not slottted wings since DB Update, since the second i cast it in a 1v1 situation i still got hit, knocked down and took full damage from frag procs. Granted it works...sometimes but 50% chance for it not to do anything just made me drop that skill all together.

What did you replace it with?

Harness magicka from light armour.

Basically i run a double shield build mDK (Hardness and Healing Ward).

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks to everyone for providing feedback on your experience with the Dragonknight so far. We do have a few changes coming in next week's PTS patch which we'd love to have you test, and we'll share the planned adjustments with you a little later this week.

Thanks, this is great. In particular, it's great that we will get to hear about it before it makes PTS3 so that if there are any glaring issues we can comment before it makes it to the update. Hopefully we see some changes with cDB and Wings.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks to everyone for providing feedback on your experience with the Dragonknight so far. We do have a few changes coming in next week's PTS patch which we'd love to have you test, and we'll share the planned adjustments with you a little later this week.

Thanks, this is great. In particular, it's great that we will get to hear about it before it makes PTS3 so that if there are any glaring issues we can comment before it makes it to the update. Hopefully we see something nice with cDB and Wings.

To be clear, we won't be able to make any additional changes in time for next week's patch. You can certainly provide your thoughts and feedback, but please understand that further tweaks wouldn't appear until the following patch or, possibly, when the update goes live. Also, please be sure and test the changes, too. A lot of times, these things feel a lot different when actually in-game against NPCs or other players versus just reading them on paper (well, on a screen).

But... you guys had said last patch that you would be addressing magdks mana sustain through dragon blood morph or cost reduction and none of that was even addressed... so if its not in the small tweaks coming up your saying we have to wait for another major patch cycle to address the issue?

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks to everyone for providing feedback on your experience with the Dragonknight so far. We do have a few changes coming in next week's PTS patch which we'd love to have you test, and we'll share the planned adjustments with you a little later this week.

Thanks, this is great. In particular, it's great that we will get to hear about it before it makes PTS3 so that if there are any glaring issues we can comment before it makes it to the update. Hopefully we see something nice with cDB and Wings.

To be clear, we won't be able to make any additional changes in time for next week's patch. You can certainly provide your thoughts and feedback, but please understand that further tweaks wouldn't appear until the following patch or, possibly, when the update goes live. Also, please be sure and test the changes, too. A lot of times, these things feel a lot different when actually in-game against NPCs or other players versus just reading them on paper (well, on a screen).

So if I understand this correctly, next week we are getting some previously planned changes we haven't seen yet, but any changes to CDB and/or Wings may not happen until live, will be untested and you'll have no feedback from us on it?

Considering how underwhelming our mDK "buffs" are and that CDB is actually worse and more difficult to manage, this is pretty disheartening.

old_mufasa wrote: »

IxskullzxI wrote: »

@old_mufasa
I dont think they ever said they were addressing sustain. I know they said they had something planned for db and said they had some buffs that were mDK specific, but I don't think they ever said anything about sustain.

Yes they did they even stated that they were looking at Dragons blood to have a morph to increase magic regen.. you can't get more class specific then that.

Got a link?

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks to everyone for providing feedback on your experience with the Dragonknight so far. We do have a few changes coming in next week's PTS patch which we'd love to have you test, and we'll share the planned adjustments with you a little later this week.

Thank you, looking forward to it.

IxskullzxI wrote: »

old_mufasa wrote: »

IxskullzxI wrote: »

old_mufasa wrote: »

IxskullzxI wrote: »

@old_mufasa
I dont think they ever said they were addressing sustain. I know they said they had something planned for db and said they had some buffs that were mDK specific, but I don't think they ever said anything about sustain.

Yes they did they even stated that they were looking at Dragons blood to have a morph to increase magic regen.. you can't get more class specific then that.

Got a link?

It was said during there AUA for one Tamriel and Wrobel I just cant find the transcript now... it was back in sept or aug that it was said.

Edit:

We always take feedback seriously. One Tamriel was so huge we had to focus on the balance and new item sets. With the next major update we will be focusing on class balance and abilities. We have a pretty cool new version of Dragon Blood planned that will help magicka DKs while maintaining it's power level for high health characters.

Yup, we definitely have planned a good list of buffs for magicka DK and also balance in general for magicka vs stamina DPS.

We want to make DK's have a unique playstyle that does not include an execute ability. Instead we want them to focus on pressuing enemy's health bars with DoT effects. We've got some sweet changes for magicka DKs planned for update 13!

We're already got a pretty significant list of buffs for magicka DKs coming with update 13 and we have been reading your feedback.

this was part of the transcript.. I cant find the whole thing.. as it was live event there is no "post" from a dev. But I feel they did not come through with the "We're already got a pretty significant list of buffs for magicka DKs coming with update 13" part of there claim.

I mean, at least we got buffs.

True.. we could of been in the same boat as the poor magblades this patch...

IxskullzxI wrote: »

old_mufasa wrote: »

IxskullzxI wrote: »

old_mufasa wrote: »

IxskullzxI wrote: »

@old_mufasa
I dont think they ever said they were addressing sustain. I know they said they had something planned for db and said they had some buffs that were mDK specific, but I don't think they ever said anything about sustain.

Yes they did they even stated that they were looking at Dragons blood to have a morph to increase magic regen.. you can't get more class specific then that.

Got a link?

It was said during there AUA for one Tamriel and Wrobel I just cant find the transcript now... it was back in sept or aug that it was said.

Edit:

We always take feedback seriously. One Tamriel was so huge we had to focus on the balance and new item sets. With the next major update we will be focusing on class balance and abilities. We have a pretty cool new version of Dragon Blood planned that will help magicka DKs while maintaining it's power level for high health characters.

Yup, we definitely have planned a good list of buffs for magicka DK and also balance in general for magicka vs stamina DPS.

We want to make DK's have a unique playstyle that does not include an execute ability. Instead we want them to focus on pressuing enemy's health bars with DoT effects. We've got some sweet changes for magicka DKs planned for update 13!

We're already got a pretty significant list of buffs for magicka DKs coming with update 13 and we have been reading your feedback.

this was part of the transcript.. I cant find the whole thing.. as it was live event there is no "post" from a dev. But I feel they did not come through with the "We're already got a pretty significant list of buffs for magicka DKs coming with update 13" part of there claim.

I mean, at least we got buffs.

*"buffs"

IxskullzxI wrote: »

Vynn wrote: »

IxskullzxI wrote: »

old_mufasa wrote: »

IxskullzxI wrote: »

old_mufasa wrote: »

IxskullzxI wrote: »

@old_mufasa
I dont think they ever said they were addressing sustain. I know they said they had something planned for db and said they had some buffs that were mDK specific, but I don't think they ever said anything about sustain.

Yes they did they even stated that they were looking at Dragons blood to have a morph to increase magic regen.. you can't get more class specific then that.

Got a link?

It was said during there AUA for one Tamriel and Wrobel I just cant find the transcript now... it was back in sept or aug that it was said.

Edit:

We always take feedback seriously. One Tamriel was so huge we had to focus on the balance and new item sets. With the next major update we will be focusing on class balance and abilities. We have a pretty cool new version of Dragon Blood planned that will help magicka DKs while maintaining it's power level for high health characters.

Yup, we definitely have planned a good list of buffs for magicka DK and also balance in general for magicka vs stamina DPS.

We want to make DK's have a unique playstyle that does not include an execute ability. Instead we want them to focus on pressuing enemy's health bars with DoT effects. We've got some sweet changes for magicka DKs planned for update 13!

We're already got a pretty significant list of buffs for magicka DKs coming with update 13 and we have been reading your feedback.

this was part of the transcript.. I cant find the whole thing.. as it was live event there is no "post" from a dev. But I feel they did not come through with the "We're already got a pretty significant list of buffs for magicka DKs coming with update 13" part of there claim.

I mean, at least we got buffs.

*"buffs"

Beggers can't be choosers. Situational or not, cDB will out heal live db. That wasnt a nerf. Sorry they didn't add 20 pages of dk changes to make them op

What begging.. we have all paid for this game.. some of us still do monthly....

IxskullzxI wrote: »

Vynn wrote: »

IxskullzxI wrote: »

old_mufasa wrote: »

IxskullzxI wrote: »

old_mufasa wrote: »

IxskullzxI wrote: »

@old_mufasa
I dont think they ever said they were addressing sustain. I know they said they had something planned for db and said they had some buffs that were mDK specific, but I don't think they ever said anything about sustain.

Yes they did they even stated that they were looking at Dragons blood to have a morph to increase magic regen.. you can't get more class specific then that.

Got a link?

It was said during there AUA for one Tamriel and Wrobel I just cant find the transcript now... it was back in sept or aug that it was said.

Edit:

We always take feedback seriously. One Tamriel was so huge we had to focus on the balance and new item sets. With the next major update we will be focusing on class balance and abilities. We have a pretty cool new version of Dragon Blood planned that will help magicka DKs while maintaining it's power level for high health characters.

Yup, we definitely have planned a good list of buffs for magicka DK and also balance in general for magicka vs stamina DPS.

We want to make DK's have a unique playstyle that does not include an execute ability. Instead we want them to focus on pressuing enemy's health bars with DoT effects. We've got some sweet changes for magicka DKs planned for update 13!

We're already got a pretty significant list of buffs for magicka DKs coming with update 13 and we have been reading your feedback.

this was part of the transcript.. I cant find the whole thing.. as it was live event there is no "post" from a dev. But I feel they did not come through with the "We're already got a pretty significant list of buffs for magicka DKs coming with update 13" part of there claim.

I mean, at least we got buffs.

*"buffs"

Beggers can't be choosers. Situational or not, cDB will out heal live db. That wasnt a nerf. Sorry they didn't add 20 pages of dk changes to make them op

I dont want them op, i want them balanced. Cdb is situational at best and useless under other circumstances. Not worth slotting in the current live or PTS form. Half the time it outheals live, half the time it doesnt. Half of the time it doesnt could be when you are full magicka at 10% health, useless.

While it has been pointed out that extending the duration of major expedition for chains does not make it more appealing, I would also like to point out that it's a poorly thought out buff to begin with. I need mobility to either kite or catch up to people. Literally the last time I need it is immediately after a gap closer. I'm sure there are rare situations where it would come in handy and it's never not nice to have speed, but again pretty bad place for the buff. Put it on wings, fossilize, or stone fist. Would make much more sense on any of these skills. (and of course make chains close the gap even if it is dodged)

DHale wrote: »

You guys are missing the big picture nerfs are just implying things while buffs are only in game to undo the nerfs from before. With the new coagulating dragon blood once you are dead you will not need to heal. See very simple... thanks... they are looking out for our best interest.

Great contribution.

Here is a real value comparison of cDB and gDB. The heals you see are from me soloing a resource in a build I was testing with 24,601health and 29,759 magicka. Normally I would be at 27k health from HA and return more healing from gDB but im in LA.



If we compare the two obviously cDB yeilded greater numbers on occasions, but gDB always gave me a strong heal when I needed it. There were many times where I needed a heal but cDB couldn't give it to me and I had to run and LoS on the resource so I could lose some magicka. Battle roar actually made my healing difficult and put me in a few jams (I compared it multiple times). What sucked about gDB was that I could only press it once for a semi powerful heal and then after that it was useless. cDB was just circumstantially useless but at least on some occasions it could heal me to full.

I just don't understand why we have to have these frustrating unreliable heals? Given our battle situation, which is similar to the Templar with no mobility, why can't we get a solid heal without some sort of backwards hassle attached to it? Why do we have to live in a world where a power heal, like cDB, can not heal you when you need a heal? It's like a car that may get 200miles to the gallon but it also might not start in the morning.

gDB could be fixed if a strong and short duration hot were attached to it.
cDB could be fixed if it also had a healing ward that scaled up with full magicka (as I described in an earlier post), or any of the other suggestions added to it to deal with the problem of it refusing to heal when a heal is needed, such as after a gank.