Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

So I suppose we can expect light armor buffs, so that it is more viable in pvp and actually makes up for the squishiness ?
Either way, armor types need adjustment, but others have explained this already.

You should better not try out medium armor if you think that you are squishy with a shield on a 50-60k max magicka build...
I know that you are a very, very good player and probably the best petsorc (or maybe even the best sorc) in the world but all I see from your posts is that you want your build to be buffed more and more and more. I've played all classes (mag and stam) on PTS and petsorc is one of the most broken builds that I have ever played so far. AoE is insane (destro ult + pets), you are extremely tanky because 50k+ max magicka boosts your shield into oblivion and you can now block with a frost staff on top that and you are very lethal in duels too. My medium armor nb is completely *** compared to that and so are many other (mag and stam) builds. I know that it can be frustrating to fight against heavy armor Redguards but it's the same on almost every medium armor build for example.
I don't believe that it is in your interest that petsorc becomes fotm (they are actually on the best way to become fotm) and that everyone starts playing one (I do actually hate when my class becomes fotm).

Fudly_budly wrote: »

SO a ray of sunshine... a glimmer of hope that maybe, possibly... A Bosmer, which racial passives suggest, will actually be able to kill something with a bow. Can the bow weapon damage at least be on par with melee weapons? why are bows, which world history proves over and over to be one of the deadliest weapons ever fielded, so pitiful in ESO? Hey, didn't Henry V win a brilliant victory against daunting odds at Agincourt with the longbow?

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

@ZOS_RichLambert Hey thanks for clearing this up! So far I undetstand most changes and can see why it was done in the way it was done.

However, I'm still wondering about the severe nerf of stamina maximum damage. I can understand the Hurricane change and the Standard of Might change (which also affects magicka DKs obviously). But wasn't the Rearming Trap damage reduction a little too much? I definitely see why it needed it, but I don't know if a decrease of damage by almost a third is a healthy change. After all, in PvE magicka builds have much more AoE potential than stamina. However, since Dark Brotherhood stamina excelled in single target damage. Now as it currently is on PTS, magicka builds are more than capable of pulling higher numbers than stamina, even in single target. In fact, they mostly outperform stamina. The destruction staff buffs are great! But will there be a benefit in bringing a stamina build into a Hard Mode trial? Now that they don't even provide a higher "burn", there really isn't, as magicka has more AoE, more survivability and doesn't require "babysitting" with shards, repentance or support sets.

So I'm asking why did you guys take it out on stamina so much?

What? Stamina builds have more aoe potential than magicka builds. The difference was so great that they had to introduce the Destro ulti to bring magicka AOE back in line with stamina AOE.

loyalhabsfan wrote: »

Fudly_budly wrote: »

SO a ray of sunshine... a glimmer of hope that maybe, possibly... A Bosmer, which racial passives suggest, will actually be able to kill something with a bow. Can the bow weapon damage at least be on par with melee weapons? why are bows, which world history proves over and over to be one of the deadliest weapons ever fielded, so pitiful in ESO? Hey, didn't Henry V win a brilliant victory against daunting odds at Agincourt with the longbow?

I think you're using bows wrong, man. Their damage is very high.

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

Update 13 has been out on the PTS for almost a week now and there’s been a lot of good feedback and questions posted with regards to the balance changes. I wanted to take a few moments to briefly discuss the overall direction for these changes so you can hopefully start to see why these changes are occurring.

For Update 13, our overall goal was to lessen the gap between the top and bottom. (in terms of overall damage output, coordinated vs. uncoordinated, small and large scale PVE & PVP) This doesn’t mean all classes are perfectly equal in all ways or that we want to remove skill from the game. We want to establish a solid baseline so that we can better tune and tweak balance. For this update we attacked this problem from multiple angles by doing the following:

1. Lowering the ceiling on the top damage
2. Raising the floor on the bottom damage
3. Simplifying some of the more intense rotations to make them a bit easier for players of all skill levels

Some of you will probably ask how the above goals translate into the changes we made. Here are some notes on a couple of the more hotly debated ones so you can see how they fit into the bigger picture:

• Proc Sets – This change falls directly into the “lower the ceiling” category for both PVP and PVE. We wanted to reduce the overall burst potential without dramatically lowering sustain. There have been a lot of comments on this change, specifically from the PVP side where sets not critting will not help because of the Impenetrable trait - Impen does not reduce the chance of being crit - it reduces the damage of the crit that hits you.
• Stun Removal on Blazing Spear – This change falls into the “simplify” category. We increased the duration of the damage on this ability to simplify the rotation. In addition we removed the stun component. Now the morph choices are more damage or more resources and disorient. (CC)
• Radiant Destruction – This one is definitely in the “lower the ceiling” category. It was strong in both PVE and PVP and needed adjustment.
• Haunting Curse – This one falls into the “simplify” category. The goal was to free up globals for more abilities to be cast with this change. (i.e. – every 10.5 seconds you get to use 3 more abilities) @Alpheu5 has a pretty great image that illustrates this change in this thread.

I didn't touch on every change or class, but I hope that sheds some light into how and why we've made some of the changes we've made. We have a lot more balance changes planned, but due to how our build cycle works, most of them won't make the next PTS build - they should hopefully make PTS3 though.

It should also be noted that what is on PTS now is our first pass at these changes. We’re evaluating all of them and will make adjustments based on both feedback and data collected, so please continue to test them on PTS and give feedback.

-rich

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

@ZOS_RichLambert


The proposed change to Velicious curse seems to only benefit those players who are engaging in endgame structured PvE, i.e players fighting bosses with rotations in fights that last upwards of two minutes. At the same time, the proposed change greatly reduces the effectiveness and utility of the curse skill in shorter fights against trash mobs, overland enemies, and enemy players in PvP.

In the thread created by @Alpheu5, the DPS gain for his highly situational and theoretical rotation was only 771DPS gain for a 24 second parse. In a longer 2+ minute fight, this (again theoretically) would result in an increase of 3k+ DPS at the cost of greatly reducing the utility and effectiveness of the skill for pretty much every other application.

I know that your team tries very hard to balance abilities across a variety of playstyles (as you said coordinated vs. uncoordinated, small and large scale PVE & PVP), so please consider how changing this particular morph of Curse will effect the other ways sorcerers use curse in the game.

• New players. When you first unlock curse, a 6 second wait to use the ability seems like a lifetime. The shortened time morph becomes the obvious choice as overland and quest fights are much shorter and its much more satisfying to have the ability do damage sooner.
• Questing, roaming, exploring overworld PvE. Again, overland fights are shorter, I may want to switch targets and focus a different threat. Waiting 12 seconds before I can use the skill again is very clunky.
• PvP - Offense: Many others in this thread have explained this already. 12 seconds is a lifetime in PvP and the skill will get purged, mitigated or otherwise ignored. This change greatly reduces a sorcerers ability to pressure a very tanky or very elusive target. This change means Sorcerer loses a very valuable tool and one of the few effective sorcerer class-based DPS skills in PvP. Sorcerers are already tied to the desto-staff. This would make it worse.
• PvP Utility - Outside of a lucky streak, Sorcerers in PvP lack a good counter to cloak spamming enemies. Curse is a great counter to stealth at the moment but at 6 seconds, a stealthed enemy will be halfway across the map before curse reveals them. This currently functions as good counterplay to stealth and should stay that way.
• Killing that pesky skeever I accidentally aggro'd on my way to a crafting station: Why would I ever use an ability that took 6 seconds to be effective when the fight will be over much sooner than that? The proposed changes make this skill clunky and impractical for anything but long boss fights.

Solution:
There is an easy solution to this issue that will fulfill ALL of your stated goals and keep Velocious curse as an effective skill for ALL types of playstyles:

Add the second "haunting" effect to the "Daedric Prey" Morph and leave Velocious Curse the way it is. The other morph is rarely used so this will give people more reason to use it and at least offer people a choice.

Please consider this option as it is a win-win for everyone. It fulfills your goals without making the skill less effective for the people that enjoy it exactly the way it is.