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ZOS Ruins Housing for Profit!
KingYogi415
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ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »HOMESTEAD
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[*]Find homes scattered across Tamriel, make sure you have the prerequisites, and purchase them for in-game gold.[/list]
- First, you must find the home in-game, click on the door, and follow the purchasing instructions.
- Most homes require you to complete certain prerequisites before you can purchase them for gold. For example, to purchase the Daggerfall Covenant Manor, you must have previously completed the Hero of the Daggerfall Covenant achievement.
- You must own the Imperial Edition version of ESO in order to purchase any Imperial homes.
- Homes can be purchased for crowns at any time, bypassing the above requirements.
To earn "The Hero of Daggerfall" you must get the following in game achievements:
Glenumbra Adventurer - Complete 53 quests in Glenumbra
Stormhaven Adventurer - Complete 60 quests in Stormhaven
Rivenspire Adventurer - Complete 42 quests in Rivenspire
Alik'r Desert Adventurer - Complete 42 quests in the Alik'r Desert
Bangkorai Adventurer - Complete 36 quests in Bangkorai
For the privilege to spend your 3.7 mil on a manor you will still need 40-80 hours of meaningless grinding.
What end-game player is going to stop running trials or pvp to quest?
Where are the houses unlocked for beating every vet trial?
Earning 10 or 20 mil AP?
Beating every vet dungeon hard mode?
This system is clearly designed to manipulate people into spending big bucks.
With any game there is a balance between making it accessible to new players and how poorly the most devoted gamers get treated. Lose this balance and the only people left are fleeting complaining casuals.
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Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think the majority of players have most of this already completed and most will be happy participants in finishing them.
I'm surprised by your outrage127 -
S1ipperyJim✭✭✭✭✭You only need to have done this on one of your characters though. It's not a big deal unless you're new to the game, in which case do you really think you have earned the right to own the largest manor in the game? You do? OK pay IRL cash for it then :P30 -
Ourorboros✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I've seen more than a few players with the The Hero of Daggerfall title. Before there were champion points, there were vet ranks. Questing was a good way to earn those ranks. Congrats on all your end game achievements. You can come visit me at my manor in Daggerfall. Now I just need another 4-5 million gold to get the AD and EP manors, since I already did all those quests.
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Kova✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »I think the majority of players have most of this already completed and most will be happy participants in finishing them.
I'm surprised by your outrage
What is with these sensible answers lately? You do know you're on an MMO forum, yeah? More exclamation marks!EP Sorc: Aydinn
AD Stamplar: Verdant`Knight
DC Stamblade: Apple`Punch
EP Stam Sorc: Kós
AD DragonKnight: Transmigrant
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Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think the system is designed for people who find the world the game is set in important.
Houses are not needed for anything in the game, especially not the big ones. They are a system of pure fluff. I don't think ZOS thought people who see story and world building as "meaningless grinding" would want one. In fact, I would think these people also would see furnishing houses as "meaningless grinding".Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.26 -
Krossus✭✭✭Really not that hard to accomplish. Granted I work full time and have a life outside of ESO, I've already got most of these achievements through casual gaming on my days off when the kiddos and girlfriend are in bed. Don't burn yourself out by doing it all in one night, just chip away at it a little at a time. You'll get there...or you could go the route and buy with crowns which means you bypass the pre-req. Either way, you have a choice.Know thyself, know thy enemy; a thousand battles, a thousand victories.......................Sun Tzu6 -
KingYogi415✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I would be fine with the requirements if you couldn't just buy your way past them.
Forced to play content I find pointless or shell out real money is garbage.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Getting the top tier house requires you to play the game for a bit?
Oh no what shall we do?
Guessing the intention was the best 'end game houses' are available for people who have actually completed the game or done a good majority of it.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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✭✭✭✭✭KingYogi415 wrote: »I would be fine with the requirements if you couldn't just buy your way past them.
Forced to play content I find pointless or shell out real money is garbage.
You can always just not buy a manor.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.16 -
kyle.wilson✭✭✭✭✭
✭Having requirements to purchase keeps with elder scrolls history. In oblivion and skyrim; you had to have done something for the city in order to purchase.
How is someone doing end game content where no char has completed the pve? If you did, you missed what makes this game different from other MMO's ive played.9 -
KingYogi415✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭KingYogi415 wrote: »I would be fine with the requirements if you couldn't just buy your way past them.
Forced to play content I find pointless or shell out real money is garbage.
You can always just not buy a manor.
I didn't stack 10 mil plus gold to just not buy the manor...2 -
Darkonflare15✭✭✭✭✭KingYogi415 wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »HOMESTEAD
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[*]Find homes scattered across Tamriel, make sure you have the prerequisites, and purchase them for in-game gold.- First, you must find the home in-game, click on the door, and follow the purchasing instructions.
- Most homes require you to complete certain prerequisites before you can purchase them for gold. For example, to purchase the Daggerfall Covenant Manor, you must have previously completed the Hero of the Daggerfall Covenant achievement.
- You must own the Imperial Edition version of ESO in order to purchase any Imperial homes.
- Homes can be purchased for crowns at any time, bypassing the above requirements.
To earn "The Hero of Daggerfall" you must get the following in game achievements:
Glenumbra Adventurer - Complete 53 quests in Glenumbra
Stormhaven Adventurer - Complete 60 quests in Stormhaven
Rivenspire Adventurer - Complete 42 quests in Rivenspire
Alik'r Desert Adventurer - Complete 42 quests in the Alik'r Desert
Bangkorai Adventurer - Complete 36 quests in Bangkorai
For the privilege to spend your 3.7 mil on a manor you will still need 40-80 hours of meaningless grinding.
What end-game player is going to stop running trials or pvp to quest?
Where are the houses unlocked for beating every vet trial?
Earning 10 or 20 mil AP?
Beating every vet dungeon hard mode?
This system is clearly designed to force anytime with a sense of how valuable their own time is to fork out BIG bucks.
With any game there is a balance between making it accessible to new players and how poorly the most devoted gamers get treated. Lose this balance and the only people left are fleeting complaining casuals.
The fact that all houses could be bought with crows was bad enough. As much as I love this game, all respect is gone.
Grind? End game player? Last time I check end game is what ever you do when your playing the game. Meaningless? Seems to me it has meaning now since you now have to do quests to get this house. To be honest, anybody who have been playing this game this long that plays anytype of pve content should at least have most of these achievements done. You got plenty of other houses that are not that restricted that you can buy.7 -
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✭✭✭KingYogi415 wrote: »What end-game player is going to stop running trials or pvp to quest?
One that has reached, you know, end game. Time was that doing those other two factions was end game, so there's probably a lot of people out there that have already done it.
Of course, nothing says you have to complete all three factions. You only need to do it if you want all three of the biggest houses available.KingYogi415 wrote: »Beating every vet dungeon hard mode?
You get trophies for that.KingYogi415 wrote: »This system is clearly designed to force anytime with a sense of how valuable their own time is to fork out BIG bucks.
As opposed to forcing them to grind out 20 million AP?KingYogi415 wrote: »With any game there is a balance between making it accessible to new players and how poorly the most devoted gamers get treated. Lose this balance and the only people left are fleeting complaining casuals.
The fact that all houses could be bought with crows was bad enough. As much as I love this game, all respect is gone.
Can we stop with the "casual" bashing please? It's getting pretty ridiculous around here. It's almost to the point that if ZOS listened to you guys, ESO would be dead because nobody could even make it to the starter islands.Edited by Glurin on January 5, 2017 3:26AM"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."15 -
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✭✭✭✭✭KingYogi415 wrote: »KingYogi415 wrote: »I would be fine with the requirements if you couldn't just buy your way past them.
Forced to play content I find pointless or shell out real money is garbage.
You can always just not buy a manor.
I didn't stack 10 mil plus gold to just not buy the manor...
The other large houses are pretty big already, and you could buy a bunch of them with 10 million.
And be prepared for the furnishing, after getting it.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.2 -
Eleusian✭✭✭This game is full of meaningless grinds. Mite just be the find another game point for some peoplePS4 NA0 -
lihentian✭✭✭✭✭yea, hero deserve a home.. but after saving queen/king you get 300g reward.. while a proper home for a hero of your rank cost 3 million.. so i guess you only need to save them 10k times.. king and queen are cheap, so is life!
p.s. after checking out what home can do i would say don't bother with it.. it is not worth it... why bother decorate a random house that you will hardly ever have any need to visit?Edited by lihentian on January 5, 2017 3:43AM3 -
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✭✭✭✭I think you should have to meet the requirements even if you are spending crowns, but I guess that wouldn't be profitable.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
V16 Derelict Vagabond EP Stamina DK
V16 Redacted Ep Stam Sorc
V16 Insolent EP Magicka Sorc(retired)
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yodased✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭lol you know this games target audience is those people who GASP actually ENJOY questing, right?
Also, what is a hard core trial minmaxer or a pvp grand overlord gonna do with a barbies dream house?
You realize that these houses offer you literally nothing in return for your gold/crowns other than a place to waste time decorating and what not.
With your logic, these types of people won't even want a house anyway, so what does it matter? Your precious time is better spent farming AP or whatever.Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.11 -
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✭✭✭lol, the fact that you think it takes that long do to all of those quests..... It does not. And this is a great way to incentivize people to do the actual content. They have been really good at doing that the last few updates. Adding more things to make us want to do the content.1 -
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✭✭lol you know this games target audience is those people who GASP actually ENJOY questing, right?
Also, what is a hard core trial minmaxer or a pvp grand overlord gonna do with a barbies dream house?
You realize that these houses offer you literally nothing in return for your gold/crowns other than a place to waste time decorating and what not.
With your logic, these types of people won't even want a house anyway, so what does it matter? Your precious time is better spent farming AP or whatever.
Gee what trial player would want a house that's big enough to fit 12 people watching dps dummie tests? That sounds pointless...
A house big enough to fit every crafting station? MEH
And 11 mil AP? I have only seen 1 tribune in game ever...
All jokes aside my examples where accomplishments that anyone with 4 mil+ gold most likely has completed.Edited by KingYogi415 on January 5, 2017 4:09AM0 -
KingYogi415✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭paulsimonps wrote: »lol, the fact that you think it takes that long do to all of those quests..... It does not. And this is a great way to incentivize people to do the actual content. They have been really good at doing that the last few updates. Adding more things to make us want to do the content.
It's 233 quests.
Averaging 15 mins a quest (not accounting for travel time) that 3,495 mins.
57.65 HOURS to complete. per zone.
so my 40-80 is right on the money.
Just basic math!Edited by KingYogi415 on January 5, 2017 4:19AM0 -
arasysb14_ESO✭✭✭✭Although I have Tamriel Hero title already, and I think this is a minimal requirement. WOW required full reputation grinding for stupid tabards or items that were supposed to be obselete by each patch and nobody complained about the endless meaningless grind.
You are buying a large house in the game, and seems like the system they came up with is pretty nice. Try playing the game little bit? You know, this is Elder Scrolls and quests always been part of it.
It's 233 quests.
Averaging 15 mins a quests (not accounting for travel time) that 3,495 mins.
57.65 HOURS to complete. per zone.
so my 40-80 is right on the money.
Just basic math!
aww, too bad there's content! I usually complain about broken balance, bugs, etc but sorry, this time I totally disagree.Arasys Llanor, CP 800+ Magicka Sorcerer NA
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✭I have done those on a couple of characters, I doubt I have enough gold to buy one outside of the freebie, but I will see when it goes live, prices on pts may not be what they will be on live. maybe more maybe less
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✭✭✭Lmao thats ridiculous.
Theyre basically saying spend endless hours or real life money.
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SkorosMindkiller✭✭✭I have "Hero of *" for all three factions on three chars. I completed the Craglorn main story line quest 5 times before the changes, when you actually needed a full group. There is more to the game than grinding to 50 as fast as possible.11
