ZOS Ruins Housing for Profit!

starkerealm

Sigtric wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Getting the top tier house requires you to play the game for a bit?

[Oh no what shall we do?

Guessing the intention was the best 'end game houses' are available for people who have actually completed the game or done a good majority of it.

This.


I don't always agree with you @leepalmer95 but when I do I get a good chuckle out of it too.

I almost never agree with @leepalmer95, but sometimes he is right.

Zerok

Is it just me who finds housing uninteresting?

I will just take the free room thank you.

Now if I can make money out of it with my max level crafter, that could be interesting...

DMuehlhausen

KingYogi415 wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

HOMESTEAD

[/list]
[*]Find homes scattered across Tamriel, make sure you have the prerequisites, and purchase them for in-game gold.

• First, you must find the home in-game, click on the door, and follow the purchasing instructions.
• Most homes require you to complete certain prerequisites before you can purchase them for gold. For example, to purchase the Daggerfall Covenant Manor, you must have previously completed the Hero of the Daggerfall Covenant achievement.
• You must own the Imperial Edition version of ESO in order to purchase any Imperial homes.
• Homes can be purchased for crowns at any time, bypassing the above requirements.

[/list]

To earn "The Hero of Daggerfall" you must get the following in game achievements:

Glenumbra Adventurer - Complete 53 quests in Glenumbra
Stormhaven Adventurer - Complete 60 quests in Stormhaven
Rivenspire Adventurer - Complete 42 quests in Rivenspire
Alik'r Desert Adventurer - Complete 42 quests in the Alik'r Desert
Bangkorai Adventurer - Complete 36 quests in Bangkorai

For the privilege to spend your 3.7 mil on a manor you will still need 40-80 hours of meaningless grinding.

What end-game player is going to stop running trials or pvp to quest?

Where are the houses unlocked for beating every vet trial?

Earning 10 or 20 mil AP?

Beating every vet dungeon hard mode?

This system is clearly designed to manipulate people into spending big bucks.

With any game there is a balance between making it accessible to new players and how poorly the most devoted gamers get treated. Lose this balance and the only people left are fleeting complaining casuals.

Yeah just leveling up through the game if you had to do Cadwell's Silver/Gold (which most top end raiders would have since 1T isn't that old) should have gotten this along the way. Unless of course you are the type that just goes out rounds up mobs and AoEs them down until you hit max level. If you are then who are to tell ZoS they shouldn't try to get people to see the content they spent far more than 80 hours developing.

luen79rwb17_ESO

I think it's a fair pre-requisite actually and lore friendly. You want a DC castle? Go help DC.

Raiders get to have exclusive trophies which will actually be rarer than the manors AND cannot be bought with Crowns.

I honestly don't understand this complaint.

Elsonso

KingYogi415 wrote: »

I would be fine with the requirements if you couldn't just buy your way past them.
Forced to play content I find pointless or shell out real money is garbage.

While I agree, ESO is a cash shop game and Homestead is going to be released as a base game patch. This means that everyone gets it as part of whatever price they purchased the original game. It would be nice if they could do exclusive in-game only 'upscale' housing, as they are doing exclusive cash shop only housing*. That is not really the model. The model is selling convenience in the cash shop, and bypassing hours of game play is the ultimate in convenience. Like with the motifs. Like with vampire and werewolf. Like with horse riding training. I am sure housing will not be the last bypass they sell.

This is all part of the ongoing fallout and damage that comes from Tamriel Unlimited.

For no game should I be saying this, but in our day and age it is an all-too-familiar refrain: Be thankful that we can even get the houses in-game for gold and questing.


Edit: * I have not compared the in-game housing with the Crown Store to be absolutely sure that every notable house is in the Crown Store, but I would assume they are, unless told otherwise.

Kodrac

rxhymn wrote: »

Awesome, im glad they actually make you do something for them.

quoted for emphasis

jcaceresw

I believe you should be more outrageous about the crown prices they ask for the furnitures. Even a pretty small plant cost no less than 50 crowns. I was excited by the housing feature but no way I will support them if they try to milk us with insane crown prices. I assume the crown price to get a manor will be about 10k crowns or more considering what they charge for insignificant assets like the small plant i mentioned before.

elvenmad

KingYogi415 wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

HOMESTEAD

[/list]
[*]Find homes scattered across Tamriel, make sure you have the prerequisites, and purchase them for in-game gold.

• First, you must find the home in-game, click on the door, and follow the purchasing instructions.
• Most homes require you to complete certain prerequisites before you can purchase them for gold. For example, to purchase the Daggerfall Covenant Manor, you must have previously completed the Hero of the Daggerfall Covenant achievement.
• You must own the Imperial Edition version of ESO in order to purchase any Imperial homes.
• Homes can be purchased for crowns at any time, bypassing the above requirements.

[/list]

To earn "The Hero of Daggerfall" you must get the following in game achievements:

Glenumbra Adventurer - Complete 53 quests in Glenumbra
Stormhaven Adventurer - Complete 60 quests in Stormhaven
Rivenspire Adventurer - Complete 42 quests in Rivenspire
Alik'r Desert Adventurer - Complete 42 quests in the Alik'r Desert
Bangkorai Adventurer - Complete 36 quests in Bangkorai

For the privilege to spend your 3.7 mil on a manor you will still need 40-80 hours of meaningless grinding.

What end-game player is going to stop running trials or pvp to quest?

Where are the houses unlocked for beating every vet trial?

Earning 10 or 20 mil AP?

Beating every vet dungeon hard mode?

This system is clearly designed to manipulate people into spending big bucks.

With any game there is a balance between making it accessible to new players and how poorly the most devoted gamers get treated. Lose this balance and the only people left are fleeting complaining casuals.

Welcome to the 'new' ZoS' for EVERYTHING they do positive and new for players they make sure they them selves get twice has much back in return and it usually also involves real money. other things just get a 'quick' glance over and no time spent to actually put things right not unless theres a cash return.

The ONLY good thing i'v seen up to now is the Target Dummys........only 3 years toooo late, but even those have not been done right, there should be 'standard mob' 'Elite Mob' and 'Boss' dummys. these we have coming are just bassically things you can hit that dont hit back, they are pretty meaning less for actual testing on.

Prettyy obvious why you see so little in the way of proper game isues fixes and properlly looked into and tested class and skill balancing in the patch notes...........Because they can not make money from that........EVERYTHING is all about the quick easy buck for ZoS now and expect more in the following year.........more stuff migrating to Crown store and now Crates are in the game they now have the easy oppertunity to put ANYTHING they want in them, expect Crown tempers for sure, I dont know when but they are coming, P2W is slowlly but surelly 'sneaking' into the game and many still dont see it through all the smoke and BS from ZoS................but it is coming.

I was looking forward to this patch and all the 'promised' fixes they keep saying they are working on.......and looking forward to a return and re-sub after a small break while awaiting all the things they said are working on and thing that will be comming 'soon'.............but this patch changes nothing game wise, most things still broken or bugged.

ALL this patch brings is more usless BS fluff in the crown store and more cash and time walls to keep players blindlly loging in each day to never get anywere......most of game is still broke.......Cyrodill still gona be a ghost zone.......NOTHING at all new to do, except you can stand in a house somewere instead of being AFK in a main town somewere.

Woeler

While we are att it, please give all people all titles, collectibles and achievements for free. I don't want to actually DO SOMETHING zos! Cather me! Give me everything for free or I'll call my dads lawyer!

STEVIL

KingYogi415 wrote: »

I would have no problem doing the content to get the reward.

Now I am forced to choose between grinding for 40 hours or buying with $ the same piece of content I thought I had already earned.

And it's how ZOS designed it...

Cheers!

The definition of crown store convenience was to spend real 4 to get things quicker and easier but not better than you get in game so... "play or pay" is the core non-p2w aspect.

Now, how you feel you had already earned a mansion when they didn't exist before now on PTS...

idk

Waffennacht wrote: »

I think the majority of players have most of this already completed and most will be happy participants in finishing them.

I'm surprised by your outrage

True. On my second character have all the quesf achievements for every zone and faction. Only did it on one but that's all that is needed.

@KingYogi415

And to your point of where is housing for those that earned 10-20 mil AP, none. They get exclusive decos such as elder scrolls. Seeet.

JKorr

KingYogi415 wrote: »

This thread right now:

:totally confused why the op is dragging the Teutonic knights into this discussion:

You know, I think this whole problem is with the perception of what "end game" is to other players.

I have no interest in trials. I might have done one or two with guildmates, but that was because they asked for bodies to go along. I was basically there to be sword fodder, and I'm fine with that.

I don't pvp; I have even less interest in pvp than I do root canal work without Novocain at the dentist, or a nice brisk bout of ebola.

On the other hand, I have all the quests done for all the areas outside of Cyrodiil. On more than one character. All of my characters have done or are working on the quests for their main faction. I have a few working through Cadwell's silver and gold, which means they finished their main faction quests. I have a few who did all that and are now working on the dlcs.

The fact that the only parts of the game that you consider worth playing are the ones that involve no story, lore, or setting beyond "war, enemies, kill everything" doesn't mean you are a devoted gamer. The fact that I've done all the content you're blithely dismissing more than once on multiple characters on two accounts since early access doesn't make me a casual.

Many of the older player base is coming here from the single player games. The interest in content and story over "me pvp; you enemy, me smash" might be a little greater than you think. White knights have nothing to do with it. People do play for more than the pvp/trials/I R TEH BESTEST EVAH type of thing.

Hate to break the news to you, but I can already afford one of the manors, and a couple of smaller ones. Now to work on getting the gold for the other two manors.... And making sure my crafter can make all the furnishings; if nothing else I can sell to guildies. My main crafter can retire from questing and be a crafter. That to me is "end game" content.

Izaki

Dude enjoy the game. Don't grind the quests, follow the story.

Gedalya

KingYogi415 wrote: »

This system is clearly designed to manipulate people into spending big bucks.

This is simply not true. I am somewhat sympathetic; for example, I would prefer to see that some of the requirements for these purchases be maintained whether you buy with Crowns or not. The DC hero achievement and the owning the Imperial Edition come to mind; I rather like the idea of things like titles being driven by story/quest content and not outright purchases in the Crown Store.

Also, lots of us have these prerequisites already; myself included.

elvenmad

Just whats the point...........except for a gold sink and more revenue income for ZoS ? NOTHING, houses are instanced only invited people can see them, you can't actually do ANYTHING in them except have a target dummy to hit that does not hit back and the biggest let down of all NO STORAGE !!!!!!!!!!! you can spend millions on a huge house or multiple houses but can't put any of your gear or saved items in them. LOL

This has been the biggest upset and I'm sure ZoS have taken note, so I highlly expect some kind of storage chest or lockers to come in the future and I can 100% guarantee they will cost cash.

Izaki

KingYogi415 wrote: »

This thread right now:

The teutonic order got rekt by russians.

Keep_Door

I think housing is a waste of time in the first place. Its so pointess "oh cool im in my house .... ok time to leave and do literally anything else because just sitting in a house it pretty boring".

But people want it so lets soend hours upon hours programming it instead of oh idk balancing the classes, making a new class, adding more content or maybe fixing the crippling lag in cryodiil.....

Nope houses lets make houses

DurzoBlint13

"meaningless grinding"? you mean like when new players power level up to 50 and skip all of the quests? All of the 561s I know already have those achievements. Only newer players that skipped the whole progression and learning those quests were designed for would need to put in additional effort.
Besides, without storage space who cares about housing? It just seems to me like they threw it in here to make money and appease the RPers

JKorr

Keep_Door wrote: »

I think housing is a waste of time in the first place. Its so pointess "oh cool im in my house .... ok time to leave and do literally anything else because just sitting in a house it pretty boring".

But people want it so lets soend hours upon hours programming it instead of oh idk balancing the classes, making a new class, adding more content or maybe fixing the crippling lag in cryodiil.....

Nope houses lets make houses

Housing has been a big request for quite a long time. Personally I'm going to enjoy being able to get the IC set gear crafting stations in one or more of the houses. I don't want to have to go to IC to make someone a set of gear because of the pointless pvp that I really don't want to do.

Egonieser

For starters, if that's your viewpoint, the housing system is definitely not aimed towards your type of player base, because, according exactly by your logic, that player base wouldn't be interested in it in the first place, or not enough to justify it.
How about you let people make their own decisions, if they think it's worth it or not? I mostly PvP and I don't find this wrong whatsoever.

vamp_emily

KingYogi415 wrote: »

To earn "The Hero of Daggerfall" you must get the following in game achievements:

Glenumbra Adventurer - Complete 53 quests in Glenumbra
Stormhaven Adventurer - Complete 60 quests in Stormhaven
Rivenspire Adventurer - Complete 42 quests in Rivenspire
Alik'r Desert Adventurer - Complete 42 quests in the Alik'r Desert
Bangkorai Adventurer - Complete 36 quests in Bangkorai

Oh, wow those requirements All my characters grinded to level 10 and lived in PvP for almost all their life. I only come out to do dungeons, trials, and grind some.

There is a good chance I will be homeless.

elvenmad

Egonieser wrote: »

For starters, if that's your viewpoint, the housing system is definitely not aimed towards your type of player base, because, according exactly by your logic, that player base wouldn't be interested in it in the first place, or not enough to justify it.
How about you let people make their own decisions, if they think it's worth it or not? I mostly PvP and I don't find this wrong whatsoever.

The whole concept of housing in MMO's is a good idea...............if done right, and for the right reasons, BUT how ZoS have done it is far from it, our upcoming housing system is purelly a Gold and Crown sink, nothing more, it does not actually add anything to do in the game without a cost involved, Obtaing a house is all about how much gold or cash you have got and nothing at all to do with actually playing the game.

Just really disapointing all the obvious hours spent on this meaningless new adition when there is so much broken, bugged and simply not working things in the actual base game that should have been addressed first and foremost, some of which many years old now and they still say they are working on.

One thing for sure, this patch and the new housing system has certainlly NOT given me any incentive to come back, re-sub and come back to invest more time into the game, which is what ZoS should have been doing in this patch, so many players left after One Tam and all the broken content, proc sets and other issues but they are still going to be there.

One Tam brought alot of new issues into the game, none have been fixed, so the question is how much more is going to be messed up after this patch.

AlnilamE

KingYogi415 wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

HOMESTEAD

[/list]
[*]Find homes scattered across Tamriel, make sure you have the prerequisites, and purchase them for in-game gold.

• First, you must find the home in-game, click on the door, and follow the purchasing instructions.
• Most homes require you to complete certain prerequisites before you can purchase them for gold. For example, to purchase the Daggerfall Covenant Manor, you must have previously completed the Hero of the Daggerfall Covenant achievement.
• You must own the Imperial Edition version of ESO in order to purchase any Imperial homes.
• Homes can be purchased for crowns at any time, bypassing the above requirements.

[/list]

To earn "The Hero of Daggerfall" you must get the following in game achievements:

Glenumbra Adventurer - Complete 53 quests in Glenumbra
Stormhaven Adventurer - Complete 60 quests in Stormhaven
Rivenspire Adventurer - Complete 42 quests in Rivenspire
Alik'r Desert Adventurer - Complete 42 quests in the Alik'r Desert
Bangkorai Adventurer - Complete 36 quests in Bangkorai

For the privilege to spend your 3.7 mil on a manor you will still need 40-80 hours of meaningless grinding.

What end-game player is going to stop running trials or pvp to quest?

Where are the houses unlocked for beating every vet trial?

Earning 10 or 20 mil AP?

Beating every vet dungeon hard mode?

This system is clearly designed to manipulate people into spending big bucks.

With any game there is a balance between making it accessible to new players and how poorly the most devoted gamers get treated. Lose this balance and the only people left are fleeting complaining casuals.

I have Hero of Daggerfall (and Hero of the Dominion) on my sorc, and Pact Hero on my 4 EP characters.

I'm amused that you think that asking people to play the game to earn a house is somehow outrageous.

I'm sure they'll put in other houses later that have requirements, but these are seriously NOT hard to get.

You know what you can do Mr "End-game player who won't stop running trials"? Every time you queue up for a trial group, go to the zone you want the manor in and do one or two quests while you wait for your group to fill instead of spamming skills at the wayshrine or the bank or dueling randoms. You'll get the achievement before you know it.

Now get cracking!

jedtb16_ESO

JKorr wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

This thread right now:

:totally confused why the op is dragging the Teutonic knights into this discussion:

You know, I think this whole problem is with the perception of what "end game" is to other players.

I have no interest in trials. I might have done one or two with guildmates, but that was because they asked for bodies to go along. I was basically there to be sword fodder, and I'm fine with that.

I don't pvp; I have even less interest in pvp than I do root canal work without Novocain at the dentist, or a nice brisk bout of ebola.

On the other hand, I have all the quests done for all the areas outside of Cyrodiil. On more than one character. All of my characters have done or are working on the quests for their main faction. I have a few working through Cadwell's silver and gold, which means they finished their main faction quests. I have a few who did all that and are now working on the dlcs.

The fact that the only parts of the game that you consider worth playing are the ones that involve no story, lore, or setting beyond "war, enemies, kill everything" doesn't mean you are a devoted gamer. The fact that I've done all the content you're blithely dismissing more than once on multiple characters on two accounts since early access doesn't make me a casual.

Many of the older player base is coming here from the single player games. The interest in content and story over "me pvp; you enemy, me smash" might be a little greater than you think. White knights have nothing to do with it. People do play for more than the pvp/trials/I R TEH BESTEST EVAH type of thing.

Hate to break the news to you, but I can already afford one of the manors, and a couple of smaller ones. Now to work on getting the gold for the other two manors.... And making sure my crafter can make all the furnishings; if nothing else I can sell to guildies. My main crafter can retire from questing and be a crafter. That to me is "end game" content.

^^this.

AlnilamE

KingYogi415 wrote: »

So all you completionests and role players are OK with ZOS selling your reward to anyone?

99% of the player base will buy these manors and not earn them.

Zos's employee who created the never winter store, has a degree in psychology specializing in Video Game Addiction.

This huge grind wall manipulates people into spending money over playing the content.

It's disgusting and will lead to much much worse...

Cheers!

Getting the adventurer achievement for one alliance is hardly a "Grind Wall". Do you listen to yourself when you say this stuff?

AlnilamE

GaldorP wrote: »

Just wanted to say, some of the large houses actually have just as much space as the noble ones if not more. Forsaken Stronghold and Hunding's Palatial Palace, for example, have lots of space for set crafting stations and test dummies. But not sure how many players can enter a large house at the same time.

My understanding is that he Manors have the same limitations as the Large houses, but I could be wrong.

Vyle_Byte

You have 1 month, that's plenty of time to get the quests you need done AND still play with your trials and/or pvp. Its not like you have to listen to the quests, its obvious you aren't into that part of the game... and that's OK, just blow thru them, it really wont take you that long.

Run like the wind, Bullseye!

Gedalya

JKorr wrote: »

Housing has been a big request for quite a long time. Personally I'm going to enjoy being able to get the IC set gear crafting stations in one or more of the houses. I don't want to have to go to IC to make someone a set of gear because of the pointless pvp that I really don't want to do.

Agreed; this has been an on-going request; one of many. It's not for everyone. However quite a few of us enjoy housing. I love it in Skyrim/Fallout 4, SWToR and other games; and I really like what I am seeing on the PTS for ESO.

Karivaa

I guess it's time to do Caldwell silver and gold finally.

vamp_emily

I never really understood housing. Why does everyone want it ? Is it for role playing? Or is it just a place you can take your character and not be bothered by people around you?

I don't know, I just don't see any purpose in housing. I personally am always running around all time, and my relax time is when I log off the game.

I thought a guild house would be neat, but then it only lets 24 people in it. I guess i just got to see the houses but until then I just don't think it would be something I would enjoy.