ZOS Ruins Housing for Profit!

Sigtric

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Getting the top tier house requires you to play the game for a bit?

[Oh no what shall we do?

Guessing the intention was the best 'end game houses' are available for people who have actually completed the game or done a good majority of it.

This.


I don't always agree with you @leepalmer95 but when I do I get a good chuckle out of it too.

GawdSB

Don't you get skill points from those quest too? I'd happily do them I need 3 more for my crafter anyway.

Lylith

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

No big deal to me . I've done all those quests twice over .

only twice?

The_Protagonist

I'm new to the game, joined Feb'16, and I already have the hero title to all three factions, that's how I leveled up past Veteran Ranks and then CP to the current limit. Have to admit that I'm getting used to PvP and have done a few Dungeons on HM. Still working on Vet Trials.

What's so hard about that?

If you really feel that it's so hard/long/boring, then what did you actually do up till now?

L2P Git-Gud

KingYogi415

So all you completionests and role players are OK with ZOS selling your reward to anyone?

99% of the player base will buy these manors and not earn them.

[SNIp]

This huge grind wall manipulates people into spending money over playing the content.

It lead to much much worse...

Cheers!

[Edited for bashing]

alexkdd99

KingYogi415 wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

lol, the fact that you think it takes that long do to all of those quests..... It does not. And this is a great way to incentivize people to do the actual content. They have been really good at doing that the last few updates. Adding more things to make us want to do the content.

It's 233 quests.

Averaging 15 mins a quest (not accounting for travel time) that 3,495 mins.

57.65 HOURS to complete. per zone.

so my 40-80 is right on the money.

Just basic math!

Yes if you are not accounting for all the quest already completed.

If we are talking about a brand new player who hasn't done any quest which your math would suggest then they doubtfully have 4 mil gold to purchase the house anyways.

So anyone who has played any amount of time to amass that much gold can surely cut the required number of quest down quite a bit.

Honestly people should be glad that they can even obtain all the houses with gold. They could have gated half of them behind crown store, or even crown crates. Be happy you can even obtain all of them with gold.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN

KingYogi415 wrote: »

So all you completionests and role players are OK with ZOS selling your reward to anyone?

99% of the player base will buy these manors and not earn them.

Zos's employee who created the never winter store, has a degree in psychology specializing in Video Game Addiction.

This huge grind wall manipulates people into spending money over playing the content.

It's disgusting and will lead to much much worse...

Cheers!

I don't care if someone wants to bypass the requirements to buy a manor. It doesn't have any affect on my gameplay at all. All that matters to me is that I did the requirements for them and I will purchase them with gold.

STEVIL

KingYogi415 wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

HOMESTEAD

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[*]Find homes scattered across Tamriel, make sure you have the prerequisites, and purchase them for in-game gold.

• First, you must find the home in-game, click on the door, and follow the purchasing instructions.
• Most homes require you to complete certain prerequisites before you can purchase them for gold. For example, to purchase the Daggerfall Covenant Manor, you must have previously completed the Hero of the Daggerfall Covenant achievement.
• You must own the Imperial Edition version of ESO in order to purchase any Imperial homes.
• Homes can be purchased for crowns at any time, bypassing the above requirements.

[/list]

To earn "The Hero of Daggerfall" you must get the following in game achievements:

Glenumbra Adventurer - Complete 53 quests in Glenumbra
Stormhaven Adventurer - Complete 60 quests in Stormhaven
Rivenspire Adventurer - Complete 42 quests in Rivenspire
Alik'r Desert Adventurer - Complete 42 quests in the Alik'r Desert
Bangkorai Adventurer - Complete 36 quests in Bangkorai

For the privilege to spend your 3.7 mil on a manor you will still need 40-80 hours of meaningless grinding.

What end-game player is going to stop running trials or pvp to quest?

Where are the houses unlocked for beating every vet trial?

Earning 10 or 20 mil AP?

Beating every vet dungeon hard mode?

This system is clearly designed to force anyone with a sense of how valuable their own time is to fork out BIG bucks.

With any game there is a balance between making it accessible to new players and how poorly the most devoted gamers get treated. Lose this balance and the only people left are fleeting complaining casuals.

The fact that all houses could be bought with crowns was bad enough. As much as I love this game, all respect is gone.

Yeah i mean really bad of them to give reason for completing the in game content again.
How horrible that completing the old gold/silver quests plus side quests unlocks anything noteworthy.

What were they thinking?

Next thing you know they will be having end game trials or arenas or dlcs drop special rewards that encourage people to play it too.

Its just diabolical.

Recremen

What end-game player doesn't already have these achievements? The dyes alone are worth it.

raglau

I don't think I know a single end-game player who has not completed those quests. It was the first thing I set about doing when I got the game, breaking up the questing time with dungeons etc. It's part of the natural L2P path.

It's actually a good thing that ESO has put some sort of play requirement around purchasing the bigger houses, and seems entirely logical to me.

Anyway, don't waste your time posting here, sounds like you've got some quests to complete!

Koensol

I want the mf world and I want it now!!!!

agegarton

I don't understand the outrage. To get a manor, you need to have - essentially - completed the main game content. And the issue is....... ??? Yep, it's an expensive price to pay, but one that anyone can get to if they really want. Don't want to fork out that much? Then buy a cheaper house. It's almost like real life.

I am outraged, sick and bloody tired of PVP gankers and those who only wish to grind out dungeons for hour after boring hour to get the so-called "best in slot" gear, whining and moaning as they loudly try to dictate the course of the game. Get back to your dungeons while the rest of us play the game we bought.

KingYogi415

I would have no problem doing the content to get the reward.

Now I am forced to choose between grinding for 40 hours or buying with $ the same piece of content I thought I had already earned.

And it's how ZOS designed it...

Cheers!

MissBizz

How do you have enough skill points...?

You really just need to do that main alliance quests for those titles as I recall. Not every quest in the game.

timidobserver

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Zos's employee who created the never winter store, has a degree in psychology specializing in Video Game Addiction.

I don't know anything about the employee that is responsible for the crown store/marketing, but I can believe this statement. While not as insidious as the Neverwinter Store, the crown store seems tailored to squeeze $$$ out of weak willed people. I have a hard rule of not purchasing crowns separately. I'll only spend those that come with my sub.

KochDerDamonen

That pointless grind you're talking, is quests. Quests that are relevant to the land of the homes, and things a lot of us have done of our own accord anyhow.

Have you seen the fishing achievments? Tell me about a grind.

Greifenherz

A few months back the official ZOS statement was that most ESO players are casual players only dropping in to do new content and then leaving again once it's finished.
These houses are a long-term goal, and for many casual players (myself included) it is a very long-term goal (making about 5k a day, hue), and so far for me as casual player it is the only long-term goal the game will have to offer when housing launches. It is a positive thing for me.

sagitter

No point for me to buy house if you Can t store items in it, it is pure cosmetic.At least make it for Eso plus users, that you Can craft storing chests... Seriously there are 1000 sets in game, but don't have enought slots With 8 chars.Make it for plus users!

acw37162

You should have earned Caldwell's Silver on at least one character.

If you didn't that one is on you, not ZOS.

Play the game or pay for the house.

If your my time is to valuable for meaningless questing, achievemntst, and titles you will probably want to buy a furnished home anyway.

Juponen

sagitter wrote: »

No point for me to buy house if you Can t store items in it,

qft

Other considerations are thus irrelevant. For me, that is.

Drummerx04

Sometimes when I'm tired of holding back the hordes of angry and persistent AD and EP and I just don't feel like running vet trials for the 50th time, I like to just go to a zone and walk around.

Occasionally, I run across an npc who apparently has waited for my arrival to solve his/her surprisingly personal and even intriguing problems. Often I go from hunting gankers in cyrodiil, to defeating corrupted atherial gods and their legions of minions, to dealing with adorable little bandits attempting to even scratch my armor.

In short, relax, have a beer, walk around and play the game you bought.

Rohamad_Ali

Lylith wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

No big deal to me . I've done all those quests twice over .

only twice?

Some faction zones I've done 7 or 8 times . All the way through including side quests just twice .

pattyLtd

I don't mind this as i have all those titles on my main and not really plan on buying a multimillion gold house just for another title i'll most likely never use.

I'm just abusing this thread to ask if houses are character bound or account bound?
I would say character bound but since you can also buy them from crown store i'm second guessing myself haha.

I used to think i had alot of gold 2.3M but i realize now i don't although like others said it's reasonable.
Real estate is expensive after all.

Pandorii

pattyLtd wrote: »

I don't mind this as i have all those titles on my main and not really plan on buying a multimillion gold house just for another title i'll most likely never use.

I'm just abusing this thread to ask if houses are character bound or account bound?
I would say character bound but since you can also buy them from crown store i'm second guessing myself haha.

I used to think i had alot of gold 2.3M but i realize now i don't although like others said it's reasonable.
Real estate is expensive after all.

They're account bound.

AzraelKrieg

pattyLtd wrote: »

I don't mind this as i have all those titles on my main and not really plan on buying a multimillion gold house just for another title i'll most likely never use.

I'm just abusing this thread to ask if houses are character bound or account bound?
I would say character bound but since you can also buy them from crown store i'm second guessing myself haha.

I used to think i had alot of gold 2.3M but i realize now i don't although like others said it's reasonable.
Real estate is expensive after all.

They are account bound.

Titansteele

KingYogi415 wrote: »

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With any game there is a balance between making it accessible to new players and how poorly the most devoted gamers get treated. Lose this balance and the only people left are fleeting complaining casuals.

The fact that all houses could be bought with crowns was bad enough. As much as I love this game, all respect is gone.

I have been playing this game since beta, I have always paid subs and ESO plus. I play PVP and end game content and I have all of the achievements required for any of the homes. I would consider myself every bit as "devoted" as you are and I do not think I am badly treated as a result of this.

You have opted to skip large sections of what the game has to offer, that is absolutely your prerogative and I am in NO way judging that however in all things choices have consequences, sometimes you can not foresee all the implications of the choices you make. This is merely a consequence of your choice that you could not possibly foresee.

The sense of entitlement is strong with this one.

SickDuck

You don't really have to buy them manors. There are still 36 other property to own and spend gold on. The large ones look just as great too. Getting the manors require actually playing the game - not grinding! I think it's absolutely spot on.

What I don't like about them is that you have tge option to circumvent the criteria for real cash. Buying for crowns should still have to need for the related achievements. But eh, I can live with that...

There is actually one aspect of housing that really pushes towards the crown store: furnishing. When empty they look bad and it takes a lot of work to get the furniture and micromanage each piece to get a basic home feeling at least. The furnished versions come prepopulated with 2-300 pieces already, giving you a nice start. I really wish there was an option to buy a furniture package for your place. Even if it's only for crowns but at least you have the option to buy the house for gold and get it nicely furnished.

Runs

You chose to bypass quests and skip the achievements and now that choice has come back to bite you in the ass. Had you done it when you were the appropriate levels it wouldn't have been such a big deal. But now you're already over cap(I have to assume) and this is a complete waste of time for you.

And based on how the discussion seems to revolve more around what the game is forcing you to do, I bet you would still be pissed off if the people who used crowns had to do it too. Maybe even more so than you are now, because then you wouldn't even have a choice. You would be absolutely forced to go back and do the quests.

pattyLtd wrote: »

I don't mind this as i have all those titles on my main and not really plan on buying a multimillion gold house just for another title i'll most likely never use.

I'm just abusing this thread to ask if houses are character bound or account bound?
I would say character bound but since you can also buy them from crown store i'm second guessing myself haha.

They are account(server) bound. And the achievements that come from purchasing them will be applied to other characters once they enter the house for the first time. The 3.8m houses for example end up giving titles.

Bryanonymous

'Whah... they designed all these low and mid range houses, but I want the best one. Whah!'

The entitlement is ridiculous. Earn it like everyone else or don't get it. Btw, there are plenty of other things that you can't get from doing one activity, that you can get from doing another. Get over it.

snakester320

I'll be happy with a medium and hell I'll buy the island one maybe for crowns .. I don't raid or do much of that other bullsh.t but I do enjoy designing houses and the interiors! Besides I'd rather be spending crowns on something that I will get not gamble crowns away for rng shinies from crates!!!