It's time to nerf VMA

xboxone1Q · December 2016

It's time to do it, if people leave that's fine no one liked them anyway.

Nidro · December 2016

lol L2P issue...

Tempah · December 2016

It is just the 1st time, just learn the mechanics and when you complete it the second run will already be quite easy.

alperheu · December 2016

The fact that people keep complaining about how hard/grindy it is is beyond me. What they don't understand is that vma shows the difference between an alright dps and poor dps. Eventhough I personally do not like the rng system very much, I must say that I strongly believe that being able to complete it and having the willpower to grind it shows whether you deserve a spot in endgame content or not.

Father_X_Zombie · December 2016

From what you said on your last thread about VMA

xboxone1Q wrote: »

Never have and never will. But that's fine with me because my Templar is my one guy. He has over 50 k health but can't get past round 1 lol. So who else hasn't beaten it yet?

Hate to say it but it's a l2p issue. Look up a VMA build video for mag/stamplar for one (magplar easier). Or make a stam sorc and find a VMA build and go easy mode. It took me 2 days to clear my first run and now I can do it in 45min. It just takes a good build, knowledge of the mechanics, and practice.

mr_wazzabi · December 2016

xboxone1Q wrote: »

It's time to do it, if people leave that's fine no one liked them anyway.

How about..... NO

mr_wazzabi · December 2016

xboxone1Q wrote: »

It's time to do it, if people leave that's fine no one liked them anyway.

How about you lower your health from 50k to 25k first, the put the rest into magicka. You die because you run out of resources. Even the best tanks in the game only run 25 to 30k health.

Paneross · December 2016

Nerf the RNG drops that's it. VMA is an unwanted chore I do, going in knowing full well I'm gonna be disappointed with the drops.

Paneross · December 2016

Father_X_Zombie wrote: »

From what you said on your last thread about VMA

xboxone1Q wrote: »

Never have and never will. But that's fine with me because my Templar is my one guy. He has over 50 k health but can't get past round 1 lol. So who else hasn't beaten it yet?

Hate to say it but it's a l2p issue. Look up a VMA build video for mag/stamplar for one (magplar easier). Or make a stam sorc and find a VMA build and go easy mode. It took me 2 days to clear my first run and now I can do it in 45min. It just takes a good build, knowledge of the mechanics, and practice.

My first clear took about 2 months....I just gave up entirely. Then my friends cleared it and I didn't want to get left behind and was motivated to finally beat it.

Now I can beat it with my eyes closed. It's just a hassle because I know I'm going to get shafted on the rewards. 45mins is my average time too now.

Thelon · December 2016

bubbygink · December 2016

In my opinion vMA is extremely easy if you just focus on learning the mechanics. Had never even attempted Malestrom before but decided to give it ago a couple months ago. Only took me a week of about 10-15 runs to get flawless conqueror. And I pretty much exclusively pvp and did'n't have BiS stuff like Infallible Aether (never done a trial). It definitely doesn't need a nerf.

Danksta · December 2016

It already was nerfed shortly after it's release.

Father_X_Zombie · December 2016

Paneross wrote: »

Father_X_Zombie wrote: »

From what you said on your last thread about VMA

xboxone1Q wrote: »

Never have and never will. But that's fine with me because my Templar is my one guy. He has over 50 k health but can't get past round 1 lol. So who else hasn't beaten it yet?

Hate to say it but it's a l2p issue. Look up a VMA build video for mag/stamplar for one (magplar easier). Or make a stam sorc and find a VMA build and go easy mode. It took me 2 days to clear my first run and now I can do it in 45min. It just takes a good build, knowledge of the mechanics, and practice.

My first clear took about 2 months....I just gave up entirely. Then my friends cleared it and I didn't want to get left behind and was motivated to finally beat it.

Now I can beat it with my eyes closed. It's just a hassle because I know I'm going to get shafted on the rewards. 45mins is my average time too now.

I should have clarified it was the last round that took 2 days, about a week total. I lost 2 Xbox controllers to the last boss lol. I actually motivated my friends to clear it because they thought id roast them whenever i got the chance, which i did for a while.

Apherius · December 2016

Nop .

kylewwefan · December 2016

I support any thread to nerf maelstrom.

soll · December 2016

for poor players with 7k dps vet dungeons are not enough anymore. they want vMA weapons and they don't want to work on it.

no

L2P

mr_wazzabi · December 2016

kylewwefan wrote: »

I support any thread to nerf maelstrom.

U gotta learn and try with high end gear before even considering crying nerf

NinthPrince64 · December 2016

I think the question of whether particular content should be nerfed is interesting, but I am not altogether sure by what criteria we make the judegement?
That said, one thing that I would note is that I suspect vMSA is ultimately doable by a large fraction of the ESO population (assuming certain CP and gear minimums). I say this because I recently cleared it for the first time myself. It took me months working on it 1-2 weekends per month and somewhere between 600 and 800 deaths. If I am reading these forums correctly, my experience is fairly typical. I can assure you that I am NOT an elite player and likely not even a significantly above average player. I don't have trials gear or some kind of insane DPS build. I have a wife, kids, a dog, and a normal job. Getting through it is really more about persistence and a willingness to learn. There are people on these forums who are very generous with their time and are more than willing to help you through the process. Lean on them for assistance if you get to a point where you feel completely stuck. You have to do your part, though.
Also, one other thing that I would note about vMSA is that it has one of the most extreme "cost functions" I have ever come across. There is a huge up front fixed (learning) cost, but the marginal cost to you once you have learned it is very low. (This is what leads some people to incorrectly say that it is easy - they are only thinking about their marginal cost of playing it after having already learned it. The process of getting through VMSA, at least for the first time, is in no way easy for the overwhelming majority of players.) It probably also explains why the drop frequency for good traits is what it is.
My main point, though, is that the material is doable and I suspect it is doable by a large fraction of players, given a willingness to learn and put in the time.
Circling back around, then, it seems like any argument for nerfing would need to be based on a consideration other than inaccessibility to the ESO population.

bryanhaas · December 2016

soll wrote: »

for poor players with 7k dps vet dungeons are not enough anymore. they want vMA weapons and they don't want to work on it.

no

L2P

I agree, even though I am still stuck on Round 9. WTH 7k DPS? That guy needs to fix his build before attempting the hardest solo content in the game.

Lukums1 · December 2016

It's sad, how many guides and walkthroughs and insight is currently listen on these forums and yet people still can't grasp the concept that Maelstrom is considered easy.

It's true for most classes now days, forget score runs and flawless runs but anyone with a decent build should be able to clear it.

Keep this in mind there is a save feature now... there never used to be we used to be in there for HOURS due to the fact if you left it would reset.

I would consider all the "new" players and "new people in Maelstrom" bloody lucky.

Upright_man · December 2016

Not this **** again.

Paneross wrote: »

Father_X_Zombie wrote: »

From what you said on your last thread about VMA

xboxone1Q wrote: »

Never have and never will. But that's fine with me because my Templar is my one guy. He has over 50 k health but can't get past round 1 lol. So who else hasn't beaten it yet?

Hate to say it but it's a l2p issue. Look up a VMA build video for mag/stamplar for one (magplar easier). Or make a stam sorc and find a VMA build and go easy mode. It took me 2 days to clear my first run and now I can do it in 45min. It just takes a good build, knowledge of the mechanics, and practice.

My first clear took about 2 months....I just gave up entirely. Then my friends cleared it and I didn't want to get left behind and was motivated to finally beat it.

Now I can beat it with my eyes closed. It's just a hassle because I know I'm going to get shafted on the rewards. 45mins is my average time too now.

WOW 2 MONTHS!
Ill commend your dedication on that one buddy!

I guess ive been extremely lucky with RNG so cant comment too much there as i have seen lots of people saying 1000 runs and still no sharp inferno staff, always seems to be this weapon XD

Upright_man · December 2016

bryanhaas wrote: »

soll wrote: »

for poor players with 7k dps vet dungeons are not enough anymore. they want vMA weapons and they don't want to work on it.

no

L2P

I agree, even though I am still stuck on Round 9. WTH 7k DPS? That guy needs to fix his build before attempting the hardest solo content in the game.

@Lukums1 can help you with round 9 .
Once it clicks in your brain you'll be wondering why you struggled.

fix his build, put the tissues away and get back in there and LEARN. Edit: looking at you OP..

Lukums1 · December 2016

Upright_man wrote: »

bryanhaas wrote: »

soll wrote: »

for poor players with 7k dps vet dungeons are not enough anymore. they want vMA weapons and they don't want to work on it.

no

L2P

I agree, even though I am still stuck on Round 9. WTH 7k DPS? That guy needs to fix his build before attempting the hardest solo content in the game.

@Lukums1 can help you with round 9 .
Once it clicks in your brain you'll be wondering why you struggled.

fix his build, put the tissues away and get back in there and LEARN.

Thanks

Upright_man · December 2016

kylewwefan wrote: »

I support any thread to nerf maelstrom.

Oh Kyle

are you the guy with 561 cp gold gear who cant complete?

What is it exactly stops you from doing this?

You have to dodge the RKO

Paneross · December 2016

Upright_man wrote: »

kylewwefan wrote: »

I support any thread to nerf maelstrom.

Oh Kyle are you the guy with 561 cp gold gear who cant complete?

What is it exactly stops you from doing this?

You have to dodge the RKO

My favorite are the people think they're the best at trials and PvP. Yet they can't beat VMA or VDSA.

Upright_man · December 2016

Paneross wrote: »

Upright_man wrote: »

kylewwefan wrote: »

I support any thread to nerf maelstrom.

Oh Kyle are you the guy with 561 cp gold gear who cant complete?

What is it exactly stops you from doing this?

You have to dodge the RKO

My favorite are the people think they're the best at trials and PvP. Yet they can't beat VMA or VDSA.

No hate on poor Kyle, I've seen him in other threads and hes just at the end of his tether with vMA.

But I'm curious as to why he isnt able to complete it, if he is indeed 561 cp gold geared.

I think i was 370cp and in purples for my first clear.

I feel like it would make his christmas if we can get him across the finish line.

Paneross · December 2016

Upright_man wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

Upright_man wrote: »

kylewwefan wrote: »

I support any thread to nerf maelstrom.

Oh Kyle are you the guy with 561 cp gold gear who cant complete?

What is it exactly stops you from doing this?

You have to dodge the RKO

My favorite are the people think they're the best at trials and PvP. Yet they can't beat VMA or VDSA.

No hate on poor Kyle, I've seen him in other threads and hes just at the end of his tether with vMA.

But I'm curious as to why he isnt able to complete it, if he is indeed 561 cp gold geared.

I think i was 370cp and in purples for my first clear.

I feel like it would make his christmas if we can get him across the finish line.

Yea not hating. I'm hoping everone can some day beat it. Watch the hundreds of youtube guides and builds should help alot.

Upright_man · December 2016

NinthPrince64 wrote: »

I think the question of whether particular content should be nerfed is interesting, but I am not altogether sure by what criteria we make the judegement?
That said, one thing that I would note is that I suspect vMSA is ultimately doable by a large fraction of the ESO population (assuming certain CP and gear minimums). I say this because I recently cleared it for the first time myself. It took me months working on it 1-2 weekends per month and somewhere between 600 and 800 deaths. If I am reading these forums correctly, my experience is fairly typical. I can assure you that I am NOT an elite player and likely not even a significantly above average player. I don't have trials gear or some kind of insane DPS build. I have a wife, kids, a dog, and a normal job. Getting through it is really more about persistence and a willingness to learn. There are people on these forums who are very generous with their time and are more than willing to help you through the process. Lean on them for assistance if you get to a point where you feel completely stuck. You have to do your part, though.
Also, one other thing that I would note about vMSA is that it has one of the most extreme "cost functions" I have ever come across. There is a huge up front fixed (learning) cost, but the marginal cost to you once you have learned it is very low. (This is what leads some people to incorrectly say that it is easy - they are only thinking about their marginal cost of playing it after having already learned it. The process of getting through VMSA, at least for the first time, is in no way easy for the overwhelming majority of players.) It probably also explains why the drop frequency for good traits is what it is.
My main point, though, is that the material is doable and I suspect it is doable by a large fraction of players, given a willingness to learn and put in the time.
Circling back around, then, it seems like any argument for nerfing would need to be based on a consideration other than inaccessibility to the ESO population.

Dude you're a shining example of how it is achievable, even if you cant commit endless hours to ESO and arent an elitist

it IS possible. Very good attitude towards the whole thing and i think that's the most important part.

If it was easy the first time i wouldn't have enjoyed running it more than once tbh. I do believe it made me a better ESO player overall.

xboxone1Q · December 2016

Everyone that's says l2p or watch videos are the elite players that doesn't play for FUN. I guess we are not allowed to play for FUN now. So nerf it. Yes I know my Templar has 50 k health and is at 603 cp. But it's still time to nerf it.

DannyLV702 · December 2016

I'm starting to think this guy is the best troll of all time. Like, everything he says sounds so provocative and trollish, but it has a big hint of seriousness to it that makes me think he's actually being serious. Look through his history to see what I mean.

Upright_man · December 2016

xboxone1Q wrote: »

Everyone that's says l2p or watch videos are the elite players that doesn't play for FUN. I guess we are not allowed to play for FUN now. So nerf it. Yes I know my Templar has 50 k health and is at 603 cp. But it's still time to nerf it.

ha! Cant tell if youre being sarcastic or not.

Why is it you want it nerfed?

I play it for fun quite often, i enjoy the challenge and improving myself each run. If i wanted easy mode id do normal version and roll my face on the keyboard..

I am in no way an elite player, i'm not even 400cp yet and have mostly purples still but i've cleared it because i didnt give up and i took advice constructively.

People tell you to watch videos because your asking for a nerf on something you could almost certainly LEARN to do.
Which is basically the same as telling you to L2P. Instead of asking for nerf, figure it out like the rest of us had too.

Its not like you have to do it flawlessly or high score if you are just looking to clear it, so what is the issue?
You cant complete on your tank build and refuse to change so its "OMG NERF" instead of "I SHOULD REALLY ADJUST MY BUILD TO CLEAR THIS CONTENT SINCE THIS CURRENT BUILD ISNT WORKING."