It's time to nerf VMA

Lukums1

xboxone1Q wrote: »

Everyone that's says l2p or watch videos are the elite players that doesn't play for FUN. I guess we are not allowed to play for FUN now. So nerf it. Yes I know my Templar has 50 k health and is at 603 cp. But it's still time to nerf it.

This is pretty insulting really...

I consider myself personally above average far from elitist I spend my nights streaming teaching people maelstrom with tips and tricks and offer guidance and assistance taking HOURS of my own time to help others in need.

If I say watch videos it's for their benefit to learn and take notice of the knowledge I had supplied.
I play for fun, and I don't think you have any right at all to say these people are classed as the elite minority.

You can't call nerf on Maelstrom not with so many people completing it, that's my 2 cents.

Maelstrom can be achieved with some stupid builds here are my "Stupid Clears for reference"

1. All training gear purple - sharpen purple weapons - agility rings/neck - I class this as stupid
2. Full Heavy set on my Magicka sorc - Regen food - will power - again STUPID
3. 14k HP / 22k STAM - STAM Sorc - 1 hour clear - Stupid (NO FOOD)

My point is that even with stupid gear and sub optimised it's do-able.

We do it for FUN we don't do it to show off, no one is saying anything about not playing for fun... get a grip mate.

Upright_man

DannyLV702 wrote: »

I'm starting to think this guy is the best troll of all time. Like, everything he says sounds so provocative and trollish, but it has a big hint of seriousness to it that makes me think he's actually being serious. Look through his history to see what I mean.

I see what you mean.. either massive troll or massively deluded

Especially when i saw your comment on his here..

DannyLV702 wrote: »

xboxone1Q wrote: »

It would be nice but tryhards will say no because they want you to "earn it". Really? You don't play on my account. If I want the weapons to drop on normal it should. But ZOS doesn't have this mind set, you see that's the problem on eso everyone is so about themselves on here.

LMFAO this is pure gold

Essentially "I want it so i should have it" followed by "everyone is so about themselves on here" LOL WHAT ON EARTH! DUDE MUST BE A TROLL!!?!!?

Father_X_Zombie

xboxone1Q wrote: »

Everyone that's says l2p or watch videos are the elite players that doesn't play for FUN. I guess we are not allowed to play for FUN now. So nerf it. Yes I know my Templar has 50 k health and is at 603 cp. But it's still time to nerf it.

*facepalm*

I feel like everything we just said just went over your head

MattT1988

xboxone1Q wrote: »

Everyone that's says l2p or watch videos are the elite players that doesn't play for FUN. I guess we are not allowed to play for FUN now. So nerf it. Yes I know my Templar has 50 k health and is at 603 cp. But it's still time to nerf it.

Why can't there be hard content in the game? Let the hardcore players have their hard content I say. There's always normal mode for the rest of us, it's the same content, just a lot easier.

kylewwefan

Upright_man wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

Upright_man wrote: »

kylewwefan wrote: »

I support any thread to nerf maelstrom.

Oh Kyle are you the guy with 561 cp gold gear who cant complete?

What is it exactly stops you from doing this?

You have to dodge the RKO

My favorite are the people think they're the best at trials and PvP. Yet they can't beat VMA or VDSA.

No hate on poor Kyle, I've seen him in other threads and hes just at the end of his tether with vMA.

But I'm curious as to why he isnt able to complete it, if he is indeed 561 cp gold geared.

I think i was 370cp and in purples for my first clear.

I feel like it would make his christmas if we can get him across the finish line.

I'm destined to be a forever scrub. Lol! I have had legendary and good gear for quite some time, only more recently have got the Gold Jewelry. I have made it to the crystal phase and I get stuck there. It's taking me too long to kill them, fall back down and meet a horrible death to a crematoria guard.
I won't go back in there til they nerf it to the ground. Spent 3 weeks in there playing couple hours a night EVERY night. I was ready to quit the game honestly.

SuperLarrio

pattyLtd

xboxone1Q wrote: »

Everyone that's says l2p or watch videos are the elite players that doesn't play for FUN. I guess we are not allowed to play for FUN now. So nerf it. Yes I know my Templar has 50 k health and is at 603 cp. But it's still time to nerf it.

Damn, that's one healthy templar, OP!

Elara_Northwind

I know some people cannot complete vma and that frustrates them, understandably, but on the other hand other people enjoy the challenge, and its one of the only challenging things left in the game right now, and after a few times doing it, and getting flawless ect, even vma becomes less of a challenge, I would personally prefer them to add a harder version, not a nerf

If people don't like it, and find it too difficult, I am sure with enough practise they will be able to complete it, and if they don't want to put the time in to practise it, and it frustrates them that much, then just don't go there again, its not like you have to do it, I know loads of people who have never even set foot inside vma, and honestly, the weapons are not even that great imo, especially not now with all of the new dropped sets

Woeler

xboxone1Q wrote: »

Everyone that's says l2p or watch videos are the elite players that doesn't play for FUN. I guess we are not allowed to play for FUN now. So nerf it. Yes I know my Templar has 50 k health and is at 603 cp. But it's still time to nerf it.

My fun comes from seeing l2p players whine about challenging content. ARE YOU TRYING TO TAKE AWAY MY FUN?

jakeedmundson

Upright_man wrote: »

Not this **** again.

Paneross wrote: »

Father_X_Zombie wrote: »

From what you said on your last thread about VMA

xboxone1Q wrote: »

Never have and never will. But that's fine with me because my Templar is my one guy. He has over 50 k health but can't get past round 1 lol. So who else hasn't beaten it yet?

Hate to say it but it's a l2p issue. Look up a VMA build video for mag/stamplar for one (magplar easier). Or make a stam sorc and find a VMA build and go easy mode. It took me 2 days to clear my first run and now I can do it in 45min. It just takes a good build, knowledge of the mechanics, and practice.

My first clear took about 2 months....I just gave up entirely. Then my friends cleared it and I didn't want to get left behind and was motivated to finally beat it.

Now I can beat it with my eyes closed. It's just a hassle because I know I'm going to get shafted on the rewards. 45mins is my average time too now.

WOW 2 MONTHS!
Ill commend your dedication on that one buddy!

I guess ive been extremely lucky with RNG so cant comment too much there as i have seen lots of people saying 1000 runs and still no sharp inferno staff, always seems to be this weapon XD

I'm not supporting a nerf to the content at all...
but it is always this weapon because the destro staves have a crappier chance of dropping compared to all other weapons
I have a couple nirnhoned and a few other poop traited inferno staff... and all i want is a lightning staff... never seen a single one of them.

Xerton

And while we are at it let's nerf vMoL HM too, because my group was not able to clear it on our third try...
*facepalm*
Oh and i forgot vDSA because i can't solo it with weapons and jewelery only and as you said yourself, if i want to i should be able to...

Clearing vMSA for the first time was a pain in the a** and i swore to myself i'd never do it again. Know what? The very next day i cleared it again and it was so easy in comparison, i could not believe it.

In the end i got hooked and did it with all classes stam + mag just for the fun of it. Had to make 5 new chars just for that and i don't play most of them anymore since they cleared it.

If you want some advise, i can say that, in my opinion, the best setup to clear it for the first time would be a magicka sorc.
And the best way to farm it a stam sorc.
But that's just my 2 cent

Rataroto

Nerf the Nerf vMA Threads.

Honestly, just stop and L2P for F sake

ravencbr600

I came from Destiny and they nerfed weapons and a raid to appeal to causal gamers, yes games are suppose to be fun but they are also suppose to give you a challenge. If you nerf VMA then you will not have that challenge and complain the game is to easy.

Sigtric

I mean technically VMA gets nerfed every time the CP cap is raised and new, more powerful gear sets come out, doesn't it?

Father_X_Zombie

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Sigtric wrote: »

I mean technically VMA gets nerfed every time the CP cap is raised and new, more powerful gear sets come out, doesn't it?

That's true, The destro only seems to be good in PvE. The only favorable weapon seems to be a sharpened 2h

Upright_man

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Upright_man wrote: »

Not this **** again.

Paneross wrote: »

Father_X_Zombie wrote: »

From what you said on your last thread about VMA

xboxone1Q wrote: »

Never have and never will. But that's fine with me because my Templar is my one guy. He has over 50 k health but can't get past round 1 lol. So who else hasn't beaten it yet?

Hate to say it but it's a l2p issue. Look up a VMA build video for mag/stamplar for one (magplar easier). Or make a stam sorc and find a VMA build and go easy mode. It took me 2 days to clear my first run and now I can do it in 45min. It just takes a good build, knowledge of the mechanics, and practice.

My first clear took about 2 months....I just gave up entirely. Then my friends cleared it and I didn't want to get left behind and was motivated to finally beat it.

Now I can beat it with my eyes closed. It's just a hassle because I know I'm going to get shafted on the rewards. 45mins is my average time too now.

WOW 2 MONTHS!
Ill commend your dedication on that one buddy!

I guess ive been extremely lucky with RNG so cant comment too much there as i have seen lots of people saying 1000 runs and still no sharp inferno staff, always seems to be this weapon XD

I'm not supporting a nerf to the content at all...
but it is always this weapon because the destro staves have a crappier chance of dropping compared to all other weapons
I have a couple nirnhoned and a few other poop traited inferno staff... and all i want is a lightning staff... never seen a single one of them.

Yep i understand where you are coming from.

I think the crappy traits need to go to increase our chances but certainly not keen on a nerf.

RazorCaltrops

Sigtric wrote: »

I mean technically VMA gets nerfed every time the CP cap is raised and new, more powerful gear sets come out, doesn't it?

Partially yes, partially no.

VMA is very easy compared to past thanks to power creep and the sets that came out/scaled to max level this year. (Anyone remember the days when it was cancerous for stamina classes ?)

But thanks to the mechanics, it's still resisting to power creep pretty well and provides a challenge.

People don't want to understand this: nerfs aren't a solution. They literally turned WGT and ICP into a nuke fest at DB patch to make it easier for casual players but some players still whine about it's difficulty (LOL). Still don't understand how fun it is to clear easy, non-challenging content with "non-meta" light attacking builds.

Dubhliam

Learn to play dude.

Besides, it IS getting easier every time the CP cap gets raised.

IwakuraLain42

The problem with MSA and IMHO the reason why a lot of people (myself included) is the fact that the area doesn't support reactive gameplay. The key to running this arena is memorizing the add spawns and act proactively. Basically a giant game of Memory. And that's not the reason I'm playing a MMORPG. And no nerf in the world can change that, so leave it be.

Arthg

Don't ask for a nerf, mate.
Completing vMA gave me the greatest sense of achievement I've ever had in a video game.

I'm an under average player, and I played with the gear and skills I like (PVP heavy armour + melee DoT skills...).
I'm ready to bet I died more in the arena than you ever did (thanks to me, Titorius Reparius is a multi-billionaire).

If I did it, mate, I promise you this: you can do it too.

GawdSB

I don't think it should be nerfed and no I haven't completed it yet, slowly working there on stage 5 I believe now. But, some of you people's attitudes are insufferable. Jesus, I got annoyed just reading this thread.

"l2p, l2p, l2p, l2p"

At least find a new phrase you elitist ingrates that have nothing but time and ability to get the perfect gear to complete VMA.

Me? I hear you need trial gear to complete, I probably won't be getting that for a while until I find and join a trials guild. But, I think I can make it with my current build once I farm some wax and at least gold out my armor. Doesn't need a nerf, you just have to put a lot of unnecessary time into it for just a CHANCE at the best gear at the game. In the end after all that work you'll probably end up with some training trait on a weapon you had no interest in in the first place anyway.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

They have nerfed it several times already. Every time the CP cap goes up, it gets a little easier. Compared to launch, this place is a joke.

Admittedly, mSorcs are gonna be upset next patch. Pretty big nerf to overload.

Lukums1

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

They have nerfed it several times already. Every time the CP cap goes up, it gets a little easier. Compared to launch, this place is a joke.

Admittedly, mSorcs are gonna be upset next patch. Pretty big nerf to overload.

MSorcs have been ruined for a very long time... not upset as I put mine in the bin a long time ago LOL

Skinzz

Ive beaten it on all stam classes and its not that hard once you learn the mechanics and actually dedicate your time to it.

Danksta

RazorCaltrops wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

I mean technically VMA gets nerfed every time the CP cap is raised and new, more powerful gear sets come out, doesn't it?

Partially yes, partially no.

VMA is very easy compared to past thanks to power creep and the sets that came out/scaled to max level this year. (Anyone remember the days when it was cancerous for stamina classes ?)

But thanks to the mechanics, it's still resisting to power creep pretty well and provides a challenge.

People don't want to understand this: nerfs aren't a solution. They literally turned WGT and ICP into a nuke fest at DB patch to make it easier for casual players but some players still whine about it's difficulty (LOL). Still don't understand how fun it is to clear easy, non-challenging content with "non-meta" light attacking builds.

It's also very easy compared to in the past because it has a save function and it was nerfed.

GawdSB wrote: »

I don't think it should be nerfed and no I haven't completed it yet, slowly working there on stage 5 I believe now. But, some of you people's attitudes are insufferable. Jesus, I got annoyed just reading this thread.

"l2p, l2p, l2p, l2p"

At least find a new phrase you elitist ingrates that have nothing but time and ability to get the perfect gear to complete VMA.

Me? I hear you need trial gear to complete, I probably won't be getting that for a while until I find and join a trials guild. But, I think I can make it with my current build once I farm some wax and at least gold out my armor. Doesn't need a nerf, you just have to put a lot of unnecessary time into it for just a CHANCE at the best gear at the game. In the end after all that work you'll probably end up with some training trait on a weapon you had no interest in in the first place anyway.

If the OP would've asked for help instead of screaming nerf he/she would've gotten much more helpful responses. That kind of attitude rubs people the wrong way.

You definitely don't need trial gear to beat vMA and who ever told you that was simply lying. My first clear was in crafted gear and I'm not that good of a player.

I guarantee you won't get training weapons on any of your clears.

Doctordarkspawn

Nidro wrote: »

lol L2P issue...

This is the defacto response. And said defacto response usually adresses nothing.

Lets face it, Maelstrom isn't fun to anyone who dislikes throwing themselves at a wall and even among those no one I have met will say in confidence that it's not a DPS race or well designed. It's time to nerf the damn thing.

Doctordarkspawn

Arthg wrote: »

Don't ask for a nerf, mate.
Completing vMA gave me the greatest sense of achievement I've ever had in a video game.

I'm an under average player, and I played with the gear and skills I like (PVP heavy armour + melee DoT skills...).
I'm ready to bet I died more in the arena than you ever did (thanks to me, Titorius Reparius is a multi-billionaire).

If I did it, mate, I promise you this: you can do it too.

But do you want to, or -should- you for the reward given and the pain endured, is the operative question.

And to me and many others it is a resounding 'no'. Among many other reasons, blood sweat and tears for a random weapon drop isn't enough.

Danksta

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Nidro wrote: »

lol L2P issue...

This is the defacto response. And said defacto response usually adresses nothing.

Lets face it, Maelstrom isn't fun to anyone who dislikes throwing themselves at a wall and even among those no one I have met will say in confidence that it's not a DPS race or well designed. It's time to nerf the damn thing.

There are a couple very mild DPS races in it, but nothing crazy. If the DPS races are too much for you then I doubt you'd make use of the weapons anyway.

If they nerf it then people won't become better players. I know learning how to beat it made me better, especially in PvP.

GawdSB

The only thing I would say would be a big help in VMA is if you could leave and come back to the same round you left at. I was on the final boss of stage 6 last night and I just couldn't keep my eyes open anymore to try anymore. Now I have to do them all over just to get back to that point.

LiquidPony

xboxone1Q wrote: »

It's time to do it, if people leave that's fine no one liked them anyway.

I mean, I can't stand the "git gud" and "L2P" comments, but I'm not sure how else to respond to this.

Nerf it? Good players blow through the arena in under 30 minutes with no deaths.

Honestly I'd like to see a vMA Hard Mode introduced. Once you've completed it a handful of times and spent some time formulating a strategy for each stage/round, it's not difficult. The only difficulty (for me) is in 2 or 3 spots where I regularly die. So, to me, getting a flawless run is very difficult but beating the arena is a 45-minute walk in the park.