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Why 2H weapons not count as 2 set parts?
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Browiseth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Khaos_Bane wrote: »
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭cpuScientist wrote: »Khaos_Bane wrote: »
THIS
You can't fix something that isn't broken.PS4 EU DC
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I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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danno8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Because 1 weapon is 1 weapon.
The same reason you can't put 2x enchants on a 2h.
People just need to let this go, 2h is strong enough in pvp.
Yah, and Sword 'n Board is super weak in PvP, that's why it deserves the extra set bonus. I mean no one uses S+B 'cause it's so weak...0 -
Paneross✭✭✭✭✭Gankers don't want others wearing 3 sets too.Edited by Paneross on December 12, 2016 8:56PM0 -
Valen_Byte✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Valen_Byte wrote: »Valen_Byte wrote: »Because it is one piece of a set not two...
But it takes two slots...
It takes one slot...the other is empty.
If the other is empty then why can't I put another thing in that slot?
Therefore a 2H weap uses TWO slots and should count as TWO set pieces.
Its ONE piece...takes two hands...but still ONE piece. 2H is the highest damage wep in the game. Its fine. It needs no buff.
on a side note...have you ever picked up a 2H Broadsword? You can not wield it with one hand. Period.***Dixon Kay MagDK FORMER EMPEROR***Deca Dix MagDK FORMER EMPORER***Valonious MagPlar FORMER EMPEROR***
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Stopnaggin✭✭✭✭✭
✭Valen_Byte wrote: »Valen_Byte wrote: »Because it is one piece of a set not two...
But it takes two slots...
It takes one slot...the other is empty.
If the other is empty then why can't I put another thing in that slot?
Therefore a 2H weap uses TWO slots and should count as TWO set pieces.
Because you can't wield a 2h weapon with one hand.0 -
SirAndy✭✭✭✭✭
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Because most of us have TWO hands. Those are hand slots, not weapon slots.If the other is empty then why can't I put another thing in that slot?
Therefore a 2H weap uses TWO slots and should count as TWO set pieces.
ONE TWO-HANDED weapon takes up TWO hand slots.
Please read the above over and over again until the meaning becomes clear ...
Edited by SirAndy on December 12, 2016 9:49PM1 -
Riejael✭✭✭✭✭It comes down to making people choose.
If everything works the same what is the point of choices?
Want 2 five piece bonuses? Run one of the two weapon lines that makes it happen. Both of these weapon lines have actually proven to work for magicka builds as well in some cases = BONUS!
Want big heavy hits? Sacrifice a bonus and get the DPS that way.
I don't see these heavy hits you're talking about.0 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It comes down to making people choose.
If everything works the same what is the point of choices?
Want 2 five piece bonuses? Run one of the two weapon lines that makes it happen. Both of these weapon lines have actually proven to work for magicka builds as well in some cases = BONUS!
Want big heavy hits? Sacrifice a bonus and get the DPS that way.
I don't see these heavy hits you're talking about.
With 2h? Crit charge and Dizzying?PS4 EU DC
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I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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Kram8ion✭✭✭✭✭Lol people want to change core mechanics and attach a third arm
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Riejael✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »It comes down to making people choose.
If everything works the same what is the point of choices?
Want 2 five piece bonuses? Run one of the two weapon lines that makes it happen. Both of these weapon lines have actually proven to work for magicka builds as well in some cases = BONUS!
Want big heavy hits? Sacrifice a bonus and get the DPS that way.
I don't see these heavy hits you're talking about.
With 2h? Crit charge and Dizzying?
Can't be slotted with most 2H weapons.0 -
Egonieser✭✭✭✭✭
✭Because, 2h has better DPS skills and better passives.
And before people jump to "oh but DW is the best DPS setup" bs - that is only applicable to CERTAIN classes, builds and scenarios, objectively 2h is much better skill and passive wise for solo and PvP.
Every L/H attack is AoE, massive damage dealing skill which CC's/boosts next damage, the best melee executioner in the game and one of the very few stamina heals and a long lasting 20% damage bonus which is not tied to a certain class.
All the aforementioned things is why a 2h only counts as 1 item, not two. Cuz you know... Balance..
Edited by Egonieser on December 12, 2016 11:43PMSometimes, I dream about...cheese...
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STEVIL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »It comes down to making people choose.
If everything works the same what is the point of choices?
Want 2 five piece bonuses? Run one of the two weapon lines that makes it happen. Both of these weapon lines have actually proven to work for magicka builds as well in some cases = BONUS!
Want big heavy hits? Sacrifice a bonus and get the DPS that way.
I don't see these heavy hits you're talking about.
With 2h? Crit charge and Dizzying?
Can't be slotted with most 2H weapons.
Well... cant be slotted with the weapons that have range... yeah.
But then they have something else to offset that lack... not sure what that is... its like i can almost touch it but its just out of reach...
i am sure it will come to me.Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
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SodanTok✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭- People arguing one item shoulnd have two bonuses in a game where magic exists and armor attacks on itselfs
- People arguing weapon shouldnt have access to every 5/5/2 combo possible because it has slightly higher weapon damage
- People arguing weapon shouldnt have access to 5/5/2 combos because it has better PvP skills than DW (and is therefore more popular)
- People arguing that currently the weapons are balanced an somehow giving it access to 5/5/2 (as 2 other skill lines have) would make it forever unbalanceable
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Leandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Has anyone asking this ridiculous question ever thought on the strength of the 2H active abilities? It is literally the only skill line that provides healing, defense, damage buff, gap closer, CC, spamable attack, execute and area damage. You get ALL you need from one skill line, in 5 abilities, that all fit on one bar.
2H is more than strong enough by virtue of the available skills that it more than compensates for the loss of one 5-piece bonus.
Let it rest. For heaven's sake, let it rest.1 -
STEVIL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »- People arguing one item shoulnd have two bonuses in a game where magic exists and armor attacks on itselfs
- People arguing weapon shouldnt have access to every 5/5/2 combo possible because it has slightly higher weapon damage
- People arguing weapon shouldnt have access to 5/5/2 combos because it has better PvP skills than DW (and is therefore more popular)
- People arguing that currently the weapons are balanced an somehow giving it access to 5/5/2 (as 2 other skill lines have) would make it forever unbalanceable
RE the bold - dont think i have seen anyone say it was unbalanceable.
but you left out- people pointing out allowing all weapons every 5-5-2 is another step toward sameness and lack of diversity.
- people pointing out costs and farm times favoring 2H over DW.
- people pointing out quite a few good high end sets work great even with 5-5-1/2 on 2h now, just pick the right set for your config.
- people pointing out 5-5-2 is more really like 5-3-2+mael1-2 at high end builds anyway so the "lost end set bonus" is less than made out to be.
- people pointing out range matters.
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DurzoBlint13✭✭✭✭Has anyone asking this ridiculous question ever thought on the strength of the 2H active abilities? It is literally the only skill line that provides healing, defense, damage buff, gap closer, CC, spamable attack, execute and area damage. You get ALL you need from one skill line, in 5 abilities, that all fit on one bar.
2H is more than strong enough by virtue of the available skills that it more than compensates for the loss of one 5-piece bonus.
Let it rest. For heaven's sake, let it rest.
this! 2H has much more utility than DW. They would need to rework the entire DW skill and double the upgrade cost of 2H line if they gave 2H another set slot1 -
TheShadowScout✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭One weapon does not count as two, no matter if its a two-hander rather then a one-handed weapon.
One passenger does not count as two, no matter if its a fat one rather then a skinny person.
One car does not count as two, no matter if its a van rather then a small car.
One gun does not count as two, no matter it its a rifle rather then a pistol.
One dog does not count as two, no matter if its a irish wolfhound rathetr then a poodle.
One house does not count as two, no matter if its a manor rather then a shack.
It should be a simple enough principle to grasp, right?
But I guess some people go all like...
...and then think "Oh, yay, 2=1, so I can demand they count my two-hander as two weapons"...
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Betheny✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DurzoBlint13 wrote: »If they gave 2H 2 gear slots they would have to rework the entire DW tree to make it comparable.
Complain about the dual wield tree then.
That has nothing to do with the need to make 2H count as two set items however, that one is your battle.
If it takes two slots then it should count as two set items, simple and clear logic and it can't be argued against.Edited by Betheny on December 13, 2016 12:46PM1 -
Bryanonymous✭✭✭✭✭Has anyone asking this ridiculous question ever thought on the strength of the 2H active abilities? It is literally the only skill line that provides healing, defense, damage buff, gap closer, CC, spamable attack, execute and area damage. You get ALL you need from one skill line, in 5 abilities, that all fit on one bar.
2H is more than strong enough by virtue of the available skills that it more than compensates for the loss of one 5-piece bonus.
Let it rest. For heaven's sake, let it rest.
And destro too?1 -
Enslaved✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Here is an example.
Mother Sorrow set- (2 items) Adds 967 Max Magicka
- (3 items) Adds 688 Spell Critical
- (4 items) Adds 688 Spell Critical
- (5 items) Adds 1643 Spell Critical
So, if you equip 5 pieces, you get all of that.
Current situation if you equip 3 pieces of that set and a 2h destruction staff will give you these bonuses:- (2 items) Adds 967 Max Magicka
- (3 items) Adds 688 Spell Critical
- (4 items) Adds 688 Spell Critical
What I would suggest is a slight change that would make 5 piece bonus active, but, for example 4 piece bonus would be not active at all if you use 3 piece of that set + 2h destro staff, so like this:- (2 items) Adds 967 Max Magicka
- (3 items) Adds 688 Spell Critical
- (4 items) ...................................
- (5 items) Adds 1643 Spell Critical
This might bring so much more to the game, almost endless possibilities, more interesting builds and stuff.
In some sets you might sacrifice a 129 weapon/spell damage for 5pc bonus, in others that might be regeneration or flat stat increase. Since in PvP many do use 2h weapons of all types, this would not break PvP any more that it is now, lol.
And maybe some PvE shunned setups would perform slightly better, so 2h or bow users would not be instant kicked out of pug groups for not using DW or similar.0 -
STEVIL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Here is an example.
Mother Sorrow set- (2 items) Adds 967 Max Magicka
- (3 items) Adds 688 Spell Critical
- (4 items) Adds 688 Spell Critical
- (5 items) Adds 1643 Spell Critical
So, if you equip 5 pieces, you get all of that.
Current situation if you equip 3 pieces of that set and a 2h destruction staff will give you these bonuses:- (2 items) Adds 967 Max Magicka
- (3 items) Adds 688 Spell Critical
- (4 items) Adds 688 Spell Critical
What I would suggest is a slight change that would make 5 piece bonus active, but, for example 4 piece bonus would be not active at all if you use 3 piece of that set + 2h destro staff, so like this:- (2 items) Adds 967 Max Magicka
- (3 items) Adds 688 Spell Critical
- (4 items) ...................................
- (5 items) Adds 1643 Spell Critical
This might bring so much more to the game, almost endless possibilities, more interesting builds and stuff.
In some sets you might sacrifice a 129 weapon/spell damage for 5pc bonus, in others that might be regeneration or flat stat increase. Since in PvP many do use 2h weapons of all types, this would not break PvP any more that it is now, lol.
And maybe some PvE shunned setups would perform slightly better, so 2h or bow users would not be instant kicked out of pug groups for not using DW or similar.
In my sig you will see a set of crafting upgrades i have been suggesting. it includes allowing crafters to make crafted 4pc sets by letting them drop one of the 2-3-4pc bonuses to give crafting back a unique element which seems to have been lost in the first installment of 1T upgrades to sets/drop-sets.
While this is intended to be a crafting change to increase diversity and appeal of equip crafting, i think it does address this issue partially by as you suggest moving the "lost bonus" to the 2-3-4 not the 5.Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
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✭Or....make it fair, and only one handed weapon in your right hand counts for set bonus.I'm cool with either solution, but the way it is now is unfair for 2H users.3 -
Birdovic✭✭✭✭✭People seem to forget about bows and staves completely.
If we go by this logic:
"You use 2 hands to wield this 2h sword, there is no space left for a 2nd item"
Then explain me, how is Destro Staff used? 1 Hand. So please, do staff users a favor and make em count as 2 pieces of the set they belong to, many passives and some actives are underwhelming, also the base damage is lower.
Why is that even the case?
And bows still struggle to be used as main weapon, and in Most cases end up as Buff bar.
2h got great active abilities for every situation, everything in1 skill tree.
- execute, morphd a pretty strong multi-target one
- burst damage + stun
- heavy hitting gap closer, can come with slow, too
- damage buff + HoT, in bad situation burst heal
- an interesting ultimate
The passives are acceptable, too.
Pretty well rounded if you ask me.
Now, I don't even want to imagine 2h users having access to 5/5/2 sets with these abilities.
That's the reason why DW is considered better: More and stronger Build Options.
That said, I can't think of a single reason, to NOT give staves the option to count as 2pc Bonus.
If they don't have all those above perks and abilities in 1 tree like 2h (except the strong ult, but that's getting nerfed anyway soon), atleast allow some build options so people can come up with "solutions"/improvements themselves.
No, range is not an advantage, it's gone in a splitsecond of being gap closed.Edited by Birdovic on December 13, 2016 1:39PMAttempt and Thoughts to Overhaul Scaling, Attribute System and Enchantments
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SodanTok✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »- People arguing one item shoulnd have two bonuses in a game where magic exists and armor attacks on itselfs
- People arguing weapon shouldnt have access to every 5/5/2 combo possible because it has slightly higher weapon damage
- People arguing weapon shouldnt have access to 5/5/2 combos because it has better PvP skills than DW (and is therefore more popular)
- People arguing that currently the weapons are balanced an somehow giving it access to 5/5/2 (as 2 other skill lines have) would make it forever unbalanceable
RE the bold - dont think i have seen anyone say it was unbalanceable.
but you left out- people pointing out allowing all weapons every 5-5-2 is another step toward sameness and lack of diversity.
- people pointing out costs and farm times favoring 2H over DW.
- people pointing out quite a few good high end sets work great even with 5-5-1/2 on 2h now, just pick the right set for your config.
- people pointing out 5-5-2 is more really like 5-3-2+mael1-2 at high end builds anyway so the "lost end set bonus" is less than made out to be.
- people pointing out range matters.
- Nobody is pointing out that increasing diversity would be step toward lack of diversity
- Nobody is pointing out cost and farm times favoring 2H because that doesnt matter at all.
- Nobody is pointing out that we dont need a lot of combinations, because few work already
- Some people are pointing out that it doesnt matter at high end that much, which isnt really reason why not do it
- Nobody is pointing out range, because it doesnt matter (and 2H is melee)
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