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Do not buy Crown Crates!!!
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Martan✭✭✭ITT: People that are mad because they want the Astronach Mounts.Addons that should already be in-game
BugCatcher, Binder, Chat Completion, Craft Bag Extended, Joviex's Addon Settings Transfer,
NoAccidentalStealing, SetMeUp, Shissu's Game/AvA Booster, Votan's Adaptive (Video-)Settings
Recommended Addons
Action Duration Reminder, Inventory Grid View, JoGroup1 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Bryanonymous wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »No problem but when does saying it so many times become obsessive compulsion?
After everyone hears it.
No you mean after everyone hears it and agrees with you which isn't going to happen.
Know when you have made your point.0 -
wayfarerx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭ITT: People that are mad because they want the Astronach Mounts.
I think I have "simultaneous reading comprehension and spelling failure" on my forum bingo card, one sec let me check...@wayfarerx - PC / North America / Aldmeri Dominion5 -
code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Publius_Scipio wrote: »I don't have any desire to get a stupid mount so I don't play with crown crates. Crown crates aren't in my way of enjoying ESO so I don't whine about it. Objectively, crown crates prevent no one from enjoying ESO, they are a completely optional. If ZOS put the game behind crown crates and it was the only way to enjoy it, I would quietly no longer play ESO.
There is nothing in the crates that I really want, so I don't get them. I'm in agreement.
Crown Crates aren't affecting my enjoyment of ESO and shouldn't affect anyone's enjoyment of ESO. I'm in agreement.
I believe that Crown Crates represent poor value. For those who get very lucky, it is fantastic value. But for every story of someone who comes out ahead, there are more stories of those who don't. Advising other players that Crown Crates are a potential waste of money is the right and prerogative of any player.
I also believe that Crown Crates are disrespectful. There is no transparency about the drop rates, so customers cannot make informed decisions. It also forces customers who want a particular item to jump through hoops, with no option of a simple, hassle-free purchase. Imagine a grocery store that, instead of letting you buy apples, lets you buy random tickets that might give you eggplant, oranges, or apples. But bananas are still available for direct purchase! Well, I don't want bananas, nor do I care to get eggplant or oranges. Can you not see why customers are apt to feel annoyed at a scheme like this?
Which takes us to your final sentence. Sure, Crown Crates at the moment do nothing egregious. But I'm not willing to give ZOS the benefit of the doubt on this any more. A funny thing happens when a company does things that are disrespectful to the customer--the customer loses faith and trust. So, no, I'm not convinced by ZOS's assurances that this is the extent of Crates.
And so I, like others, will advocate against Crown Crates to remind ZOS that we care and hopefully discourage ZOS from doing anything worse with Crates in the future.Edited by code65536 on December 2, 2016 11:51PMNightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
Dungeons and Trials:Personal best scores:- Dragonstar Arena: 46817 (NA)
- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
Extended Journal Add-Ons: Item Set Browser ― Loot Log ― Character Knowledge ― Collectibles Tracker ― RaidificatorOther Add-Ons: Combat Alerts ― Deconstruction Junk Marker ― Purge Tracker ― Asylum Status Panel ― Smart Looter ― Improved Companion Rapport Information8 -
Bryanonymous✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »Bryanonymous wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »No problem but when does saying it so many times become obsessive compulsion?
After everyone hears it.
No you mean after everyone hears it and agrees with you which isn't going to happen.
Know when you have made your point.
No that's not what I mean. That's your own assumption. Guess you have to make things up in your head to feel correct. Anyways, not really appreciating your bait.0 -
Nyx2✭✭✭✭Publius_Scipio wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »
"Worth" is not dependant on ZOS price tag but to how valuable they really are. Poisons for example have no worth at all since these are extremely easy to get. Same goes for pointless werewolf / vampire bites... all free and mostly easy to acquire yet they cost like 1k crowns.Publius_Scipio wrote: »I have nothing against direct purchases. I have nothing against crown crates. ZOS can include whatever "benefit" it sees fit into its product, whether you personally believe there is no benefit to anyone but ZOS itself. You make the decision to whether or not you want to consume their product.
I absolutely will defend their right to be "stupid", smart, goofy, funny, upside down, sideways, etc etc. It is the very right they have that should be defended. The same right we all have, individuals and businesses. And ZOS should absolutely not bend to the will and logic you believe in unless they themselves want to change course.
If you think a cookie should cost as much as car then I guess there is nothing much I can argue with. Why would anyone that is actually interested in buying said cookie choose the price much higher? It seems you don't even use the crown store which makes this very easy. I can't fathom any other explanation and you don't need to answer. You just lost me completely with this "logic".
Let me try to get something through to you. It's called freedoms. F R E E D O M!
You're completely missing the point. You have "freedom" as well. The freedom to oppose this nonsense yet you defend the developers and their ridiculous thieving. God, "patriots" are annoying.
There is no patriot. I made my point clearly. ZOS should absolutely not bend to anyone's will/idea/thoughts unless they themselves decide to take a course of action with how they want to handle their business. You can say whatever you want, you can do whatever you want, you can buy all the crown crates you want. Doesn't matter to me. If internally ZOS holds a meeting and says let us keep crown crates up simply to troll all the players, then I give that decision two thumbs up. If ZOS decides to do away with crown crates then I give it two thumbs up.
Social justice warriors in an uproar because a game company put completely optional slot machine into their game......
There are. Your constant need to express how american you are is irritating and seems to be exactly the reason why you refuse to make any sense.
You haven't refuted me implying it and I don't like making assumptions but lets be honest: you don't actually buy anything from the crown store, do you? That's why you don't care and can very easily defend the freedom you're so proud of. Because your money isn't affected in any way. You just blatantly said you're fine with ZOS trolling their costumers. You're a costumer, why the hell would you not make use of that great freedom you keep preaching? That's just hypocritical on every level.
You could spend money on these crates for eternity and never get the item you want. Tell me why you as a costumer would desire this? But instead of answering you just go back to how they have the right to be as unreasonable as they like which brings nothing across. We all know that and that isn't the point of this thread. You're going in circles, trying make a point that is completely irrelevant to the discussion.
You keep going in circles because you keep equating what ZOS should do in your mind with what is "supposed" to work for customers as you think it should. DO NOT BUY CROWN CRATES IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE SYSTEM! It is really not more complicated than that.
What more do you want from anyone here or even ZOS? ZOS doesn't even want you buying crown crates if you don't want to, that's why it's OPTIONAL!
Yes I am American. To confirm for you there.
You avoided the question again. You don't need to tell me what I can do, I know that myself.
Again: "you don't actually buy anything from the crown store, do you?"
"You could spend money on these crates for eternity and never get the item you want. Tell me why you as a costumer would desire this?"
I'm telling you very clearly what I want but it seems you're afraid to answer. This is just really poor argumentation...
I don't have any desire to get a stupid mount so I don't play with crown crates. Crown crates aren't in my way of enjoying ESO so I don't whine about it. Objectively, crown crates prevent no one from enjoying ESO, they are a completely optional.
Ahahah. Are you serious? All these big words about how we should accept their decisions and you don't even actively support crown crates yourself?!
That's exactly what I wanted to hear from you. You don't even partake in their marketing but think you can tell the rest of us who actually finance this game what we should consider acceptable. That's rich. If this was done to an aspect of the game you consider worthwhile you admit you would quit the game but as long as it's cosmetics any objection are just whiny "social justice warriors". Can it get any worse with the hypocrisy?
Yes, cosmetics don't prevent me from playing the game but those are one of the things that interest me. They will add more and more such desired items into crates that I can simply not afford and it will become frustrating after a while. To the point where I don't even want to bother with the game because why display all these awesome things to me when I can't f***ing obtain them?! Even you should understand that. And who says they will stop at cosmetics? They already made the XP scrolls more valuable than the ones made in-game. It can only get worse and people like you are to thank for it.
To deny others content just because you don't deem it necessary or worthwhile is just disgusting. And don't tell me it's obtainable - you yourself said you'd leave the game if this were to happen to something important. It's not obtainable by me and I spend a fair amount of money on this game.6 -
driosketch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭ITT: People that are mad because they want the Astronach Mounts.
I really only wanted a stupid wizard hat. But not enough to spend 2-6 times it's value opening gamble boxes.Main: Drio Azul ~ DC, Redguard, Healer/Magicka Templar ~ NA-PC
●The Psijic Order●The Sidekick Order●Great House Hlaalu●Bal-Busters●5 -
Martan✭✭✭
There are countries outside of murrica you know.Addons that should already be in-game
BugCatcher, Binder, Chat Completion, Craft Bag Extended, Joviex's Addon Settings Transfer,
NoAccidentalStealing, SetMeUp, Shissu's Game/AvA Booster, Votan's Adaptive (Video-)Settings
Recommended Addons
Action Duration Reminder, Inventory Grid View, JoGroup0 -
Bouldercleave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »
"Worth" is not dependant on ZOS price tag but to how valuable they really are. Poisons for example have no worth at all since these are extremely easy to get. Same goes for pointless werewolf / vampire bites... all free and mostly easy to acquire yet they cost like 1k crowns.Publius_Scipio wrote: »I have nothing against direct purchases. I have nothing against crown crates. ZOS can include whatever "benefit" it sees fit into its product, whether you personally believe there is no benefit to anyone but ZOS itself. You make the decision to whether or not you want to consume their product.
I absolutely will defend their right to be "stupid", smart, goofy, funny, upside down, sideways, etc etc. It is the very right they have that should be defended. The same right we all have, individuals and businesses. And ZOS should absolutely not bend to the will and logic you believe in unless they themselves want to change course.
If you think a cookie should cost as much as car then I guess there is nothing much I can argue with. Why would anyone that is actually interested in buying said cookie choose the price much higher? It seems you don't even use the crown store which makes this very easy. I can't fathom any other explanation and you don't need to answer. You just lost me completely with this "logic".
Let me try to get something through to you. It's called freedoms. F R E E D O M!
You're completely missing the point. You have "freedom" as well. The freedom to oppose this nonsense yet you defend the developers and their ridiculous thieving. God, "patriots" are annoying.
There is no patriot. I made my point clearly. ZOS should absolutely not bend to anyone's will/idea/thoughts unless they themselves decide to take a course of action with how they want to handle their business. You can say whatever you want, you can do whatever you want, you can buy all the crown crates you want. Doesn't matter to me. If internally ZOS holds a meeting and says let us keep crown crates up simply to troll all the players, then I give that decision two thumbs up. If ZOS decides to do away with crown crates then I give it two thumbs up.
Social justice warriors in an uproar because a game company put completely optional slot machine into their game......
There are. Your constant need to express how american you are is irritating and seems to be exactly the reason why you refuse to make any sense.
You haven't refuted me implying it and I don't like making assumptions but lets be honest: you don't actually buy anything from the crown store, do you? That's why you don't care and can very easily defend the freedom you're so proud of. Because your money isn't affected in any way. You just blatantly said you're fine with ZOS trolling their costumers. You're a costumer, why the hell would you not make use of that great freedom you keep preaching? That's just hypocritical on every level.
You could spend money on these crates for eternity and never get the item you want. Tell me why you as a costumer would desire this? But instead of answering you just go back to how they have the right to be as unreasonable as they like which brings nothing across. We all know that and that isn't the point of this thread. You're going in circles, trying make a point that is completely irrelevant to the discussion.
You keep going in circles because you keep equating what ZOS should do in your mind with what is "supposed" to work for customers as you think it should. DO NOT BUY CROWN CRATES IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE SYSTEM! It is really not more complicated than that.
What more do you want from anyone here or even ZOS? ZOS doesn't even want you buying crown crates if you don't want to, that's why it's OPTIONAL!
Yes I am American. To confirm for you there.
You avoided the question again. You don't need to tell me what I can do, I know that myself.
Again: "you don't actually buy anything from the crown store, do you?"
"You could spend money on these crates for eternity and never get the item you want. Tell me why you as a costumer would desire this?"
I'm telling you very clearly what I want but it seems you're afraid to answer. This is just really poor argumentation...
I really wish I could explain to your face exactly what I mean. Because the answer keeps soaring over your head. I don't have any desire to get a stupid mount so I don't play with crown crates. Crown crates aren't in my way of enjoying ESO so I don't whine about it. Objectively, crown crates prevent no one from enjoying ESO, they are a completely optional. If ZOS put the game behind crown crates and it was the only way to enjoy it, I would quietly no longer play ESO. If you desire you want a mount then you must accept the system which crown crates currently work. That's my answer. No one disrespect ZOS, and no one whine like ESO was ruined by some optional side gag.
That side gag is now the main attraction, feature, source of new fun, from here on out. Please show a little respect and do not label it a side gag. Folks at ZOS are working to ensure that all resources are poured into fun boxes going forward. Don't belittle their commitment.
You have ZERO proof of that statement. There is absolutely no real evidence that they are pouring all current and future resources into the crown store. N O N E.
I don't care what has happened in the past in "other" games. IF it happens here then we have the discussion and make our choices; but until it happens here, it is nothing but unbased bluster.3 -
code65536✭✭✭✭✭
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Of course my comment was ridiculous--that's the whole point, in case you missed it. It is no more ridiculous and derisive than the original pro-crate comment from which that was spawned.jedtb16_ESO wrote: »[snip]
this thread should be closed.
[Edit to remove bait.]
Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on December 2, 2016 11:41PMNightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
Dungeons and Trials:Personal best scores:- Dragonstar Arena: 46817 (NA)
- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
Extended Journal Add-Ons: Item Set Browser ― Loot Log ― Character Knowledge ― Collectibles Tracker ― RaidificatorOther Add-Ons: Combat Alerts ― Deconstruction Junk Marker ― Purge Tracker ― Asylum Status Panel ― Smart Looter ― Improved Companion Rapport Information0 -
PhxOldGamer68✭✭✭✭Wow what a thread. I had 650 crowns leftover so I bought one crate and got:
Atronarch Horse, which is really cool
10 Riding Skill, which I don't need since all 8 characters are 60/60 and it doesn't work to increase carry.
Exp Scroll 1 hour
Argonian head scales
One other item that I have no use for...
I'm one of the lucky to get a mount on the first shot. I feel extremely lucky after reading this thread. Should've bought PowerBall...
PSN NA/EU: DesertDweller99
PC NA: KaktusKing0 -
JimT722✭✭✭✭✭
✭Bouldercleave wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »
"Worth" is not dependant on ZOS price tag but to how valuable they really are. Poisons for example have no worth at all since these are extremely easy to get. Same goes for pointless werewolf / vampire bites... all free and mostly easy to acquire yet they cost like 1k crowns.Publius_Scipio wrote: »I have nothing against direct purchases. I have nothing against crown crates. ZOS can include whatever "benefit" it sees fit into its product, whether you personally believe there is no benefit to anyone but ZOS itself. You make the decision to whether or not you want to consume their product.
I absolutely will defend their right to be "stupid", smart, goofy, funny, upside down, sideways, etc etc. It is the very right they have that should be defended. The same right we all have, individuals and businesses. And ZOS should absolutely not bend to the will and logic you believe in unless they themselves want to change course.
If you think a cookie should cost as much as car then I guess there is nothing much I can argue with. Why would anyone that is actually interested in buying said cookie choose the price much higher? It seems you don't even use the crown store which makes this very easy. I can't fathom any other explanation and you don't need to answer. You just lost me completely with this "logic".
Let me try to get something through to you. It's called freedoms. F R E E D O M!
You're completely missing the point. You have "freedom" as well. The freedom to oppose this nonsense yet you defend the developers and their ridiculous thieving. God, "patriots" are annoying.
There is no patriot. I made my point clearly. ZOS should absolutely not bend to anyone's will/idea/thoughts unless they themselves decide to take a course of action with how they want to handle their business. You can say whatever you want, you can do whatever you want, you can buy all the crown crates you want. Doesn't matter to me. If internally ZOS holds a meeting and says let us keep crown crates up simply to troll all the players, then I give that decision two thumbs up. If ZOS decides to do away with crown crates then I give it two thumbs up.
Social justice warriors in an uproar because a game company put completely optional slot machine into their game......
There are. Your constant need to express how american you are is irritating and seems to be exactly the reason why you refuse to make any sense.
You haven't refuted me implying it and I don't like making assumptions but lets be honest: you don't actually buy anything from the crown store, do you? That's why you don't care and can very easily defend the freedom you're so proud of. Because your money isn't affected in any way. You just blatantly said you're fine with ZOS trolling their costumers. You're a costumer, why the hell would you not make use of that great freedom you keep preaching? That's just hypocritical on every level.
You could spend money on these crates for eternity and never get the item you want. Tell me why you as a costumer would desire this? But instead of answering you just go back to how they have the right to be as unreasonable as they like which brings nothing across. We all know that and that isn't the point of this thread. You're going in circles, trying make a point that is completely irrelevant to the discussion.
You keep going in circles because you keep equating what ZOS should do in your mind with what is "supposed" to work for customers as you think it should. DO NOT BUY CROWN CRATES IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE SYSTEM! It is really not more complicated than that.
What more do you want from anyone here or even ZOS? ZOS doesn't even want you buying crown crates if you don't want to, that's why it's OPTIONAL!
Yes I am American. To confirm for you there.
You avoided the question again. You don't need to tell me what I can do, I know that myself.
Again: "you don't actually buy anything from the crown store, do you?"
"You could spend money on these crates for eternity and never get the item you want. Tell me why you as a costumer would desire this?"
I'm telling you very clearly what I want but it seems you're afraid to answer. This is just really poor argumentation...
I really wish I could explain to your face exactly what I mean. Because the answer keeps soaring over your head. I don't have any desire to get a stupid mount so I don't play with crown crates. Crown crates aren't in my way of enjoying ESO so I don't whine about it. Objectively, crown crates prevent no one from enjoying ESO, they are a completely optional. If ZOS put the game behind crown crates and it was the only way to enjoy it, I would quietly no longer play ESO. If you desire you want a mount then you must accept the system which crown crates currently work. That's my answer. No one disrespect ZOS, and no one whine like ESO was ruined by some optional side gag.
That side gag is now the main attraction, feature, source of new fun, from here on out. Please show a little respect and do not label it a side gag. Folks at ZOS are working to ensure that all resources are poured into fun boxes going forward. Don't belittle their commitment.
You have ZERO proof of that statement. There is absolutely no real evidence that they are pouring all current and future resources into the crown store. N O N E.
I don't care what has happened in the past in "other" games. IF it happens here then we have the discussion and make our choices; but until it happens here, it is nothing but unbased bluster.
I doubt many would be surprised
Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results - Albert Einstein2 -
Publius_Scipio✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Publius_Scipio wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »
"Worth" is not dependant on ZOS price tag but to how valuable they really are. Poisons for example have no worth at all since these are extremely easy to get. Same goes for pointless werewolf / vampire bites... all free and mostly easy to acquire yet they cost like 1k crowns.Publius_Scipio wrote: »I have nothing against direct purchases. I have nothing against crown crates. ZOS can include whatever "benefit" it sees fit into its product, whether you personally believe there is no benefit to anyone but ZOS itself. You make the decision to whether or not you want to consume their product.
I absolutely will defend their right to be "stupid", smart, goofy, funny, upside down, sideways, etc etc. It is the very right they have that should be defended. The same right we all have, individuals and businesses. And ZOS should absolutely not bend to the will and logic you believe in unless they themselves want to change course.
If you think a cookie should cost as much as car then I guess there is nothing much I can argue with. Why would anyone that is actually interested in buying said cookie choose the price much higher? It seems you don't even use the crown store which makes this very easy. I can't fathom any other explanation and you don't need to answer. You just lost me completely with this "logic".
Let me try to get something through to you. It's called freedoms. F R E E D O M!
You're completely missing the point. You have "freedom" as well. The freedom to oppose this nonsense yet you defend the developers and their ridiculous thieving. God, "patriots" are annoying.
There is no patriot. I made my point clearly. ZOS should absolutely not bend to anyone's will/idea/thoughts unless they themselves decide to take a course of action with how they want to handle their business. You can say whatever you want, you can do whatever you want, you can buy all the crown crates you want. Doesn't matter to me. If internally ZOS holds a meeting and says let us keep crown crates up simply to troll all the players, then I give that decision two thumbs up. If ZOS decides to do away with crown crates then I give it two thumbs up.
Social justice warriors in an uproar because a game company put completely optional slot machine into their game......
There are. Your constant need to express how american you are is irritating and seems to be exactly the reason why you refuse to make any sense.
You haven't refuted me implying it and I don't like making assumptions but lets be honest: you don't actually buy anything from the crown store, do you? That's why you don't care and can very easily defend the freedom you're so proud of. Because your money isn't affected in any way. You just blatantly said you're fine with ZOS trolling their costumers. You're a costumer, why the hell would you not make use of that great freedom you keep preaching? That's just hypocritical on every level.
You could spend money on these crates for eternity and never get the item you want. Tell me why you as a costumer would desire this? But instead of answering you just go back to how they have the right to be as unreasonable as they like which brings nothing across. We all know that and that isn't the point of this thread. You're going in circles, trying make a point that is completely irrelevant to the discussion.
You keep going in circles because you keep equating what ZOS should do in your mind with what is "supposed" to work for customers as you think it should. DO NOT BUY CROWN CRATES IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE SYSTEM! It is really not more complicated than that.
What more do you want from anyone here or even ZOS? ZOS doesn't even want you buying crown crates if you don't want to, that's why it's OPTIONAL!
Yes I am American. To confirm for you there.
You avoided the question again. You don't need to tell me what I can do, I know that myself.
Again: "you don't actually buy anything from the crown store, do you?"
"You could spend money on these crates for eternity and never get the item you want. Tell me why you as a costumer would desire this?"
I'm telling you very clearly what I want but it seems you're afraid to answer. This is just really poor argumentation...
I don't have any desire to get a stupid mount so I don't play with crown crates. Crown crates aren't in my way of enjoying ESO so I don't whine about it. Objectively, crown crates prevent no one from enjoying ESO, they are a completely optional.
Ahahah. Are you serious? All these big words about how we should accept their decisions and you don't even actively support crown crates yourself?!
That's exactly what I wanted to hear from you. You don't even partake in their marketing but think you can tell the rest of us who actually finance this game what we should consider acceptable. That's rich. If this was done to an aspect of the game you consider worthwhile you admit you would quit the game but as long as it's cosmetics any objection are just whiny "social justice warriors". Can it get any worse with the hypocrisy?
Yes, cosmetics don't prevent me from playing the game but those are one of the things that interest me. They will add more and more such desired items into crates that I can simply not afford and it will become frustrating after a while. To the point where I don't even want to bother with the game because why display all these awesome things to me when I can't f***ing obtain them?! Even you should understand that. And who says they will stop at cosmetics? They already made the XP scrolls more valuable than the ones made in-game. It can only get worse and people like you are to thank for it.
To deny others content just because you don't deem it necessary or worthwhile is just disgusting. And don't tell me it's obtainable - you yourself said you'd leave the game if this were to happen to something important. It's not obtainable by me and I spend a fair amount of money on this game.
You're completely misguided and your logic is subjective. I don't have to partake in crown crates to say that ZOS can do as it pleases with the content it creates. Actually I don't see any hypocrisy at all. You twist things as you see them. And I am not denying anyone anything because I am not ZOS and I am not involved (before you make me really laugh). The amount of money you spend on the game has no bearing on what I have to say about the tidal wave of tears over crown crates.
You keep responding, you explain to us that you are so kind to partake in the marketing. And ultimately the answer always becomes, no matter who you are, DO NOT SPEND MONEY ON THE CROWN CRATES IF YOU DO NOT LIKE THE SYSTEM IN PLACE CURRENTLY. And you, I assume from your responses understand the risk involved with crown crates...
Are you looking for an apology? I will apologize here. I PUBLIUS SCIPIO APOLOGIZE NYX2 THAT YOU SPENT MONEY ON CROWN CRATES AND DID NOT RECEIVE ANYTHING TO YOUR LIKING. I am rooting for your future success with crown crates.2 -
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✭✭✭Bouldercleave wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »
"Worth" is not dependant on ZOS price tag but to how valuable they really are. Poisons for example have no worth at all since these are extremely easy to get. Same goes for pointless werewolf / vampire bites... all free and mostly easy to acquire yet they cost like 1k crowns.Publius_Scipio wrote: »I have nothing against direct purchases. I have nothing against crown crates. ZOS can include whatever "benefit" it sees fit into its product, whether you personally believe there is no benefit to anyone but ZOS itself. You make the decision to whether or not you want to consume their product.
I absolutely will defend their right to be "stupid", smart, goofy, funny, upside down, sideways, etc etc. It is the very right they have that should be defended. The same right we all have, individuals and businesses. And ZOS should absolutely not bend to the will and logic you believe in unless they themselves want to change course.
If you think a cookie should cost as much as car then I guess there is nothing much I can argue with. Why would anyone that is actually interested in buying said cookie choose the price much higher? It seems you don't even use the crown store which makes this very easy. I can't fathom any other explanation and you don't need to answer. You just lost me completely with this "logic".
Let me try to get something through to you. It's called freedoms. F R E E D O M!
You're completely missing the point. You have "freedom" as well. The freedom to oppose this nonsense yet you defend the developers and their ridiculous thieving. God, "patriots" are annoying.
There is no patriot. I made my point clearly. ZOS should absolutely not bend to anyone's will/idea/thoughts unless they themselves decide to take a course of action with how they want to handle their business. You can say whatever you want, you can do whatever you want, you can buy all the crown crates you want. Doesn't matter to me. If internally ZOS holds a meeting and says let us keep crown crates up simply to troll all the players, then I give that decision two thumbs up. If ZOS decides to do away with crown crates then I give it two thumbs up.
Social justice warriors in an uproar because a game company put completely optional slot machine into their game......
There are. Your constant need to express how american you are is irritating and seems to be exactly the reason why you refuse to make any sense.
You haven't refuted me implying it and I don't like making assumptions but lets be honest: you don't actually buy anything from the crown store, do you? That's why you don't care and can very easily defend the freedom you're so proud of. Because your money isn't affected in any way. You just blatantly said you're fine with ZOS trolling their costumers. You're a costumer, why the hell would you not make use of that great freedom you keep preaching? That's just hypocritical on every level.
You could spend money on these crates for eternity and never get the item you want. Tell me why you as a costumer would desire this? But instead of answering you just go back to how they have the right to be as unreasonable as they like which brings nothing across. We all know that and that isn't the point of this thread. You're going in circles, trying make a point that is completely irrelevant to the discussion.
You keep going in circles because you keep equating what ZOS should do in your mind with what is "supposed" to work for customers as you think it should. DO NOT BUY CROWN CRATES IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE SYSTEM! It is really not more complicated than that.
What more do you want from anyone here or even ZOS? ZOS doesn't even want you buying crown crates if you don't want to, that's why it's OPTIONAL!
Yes I am American. To confirm for you there.
You avoided the question again. You don't need to tell me what I can do, I know that myself.
Again: "you don't actually buy anything from the crown store, do you?"
"You could spend money on these crates for eternity and never get the item you want. Tell me why you as a costumer would desire this?"
I'm telling you very clearly what I want but it seems you're afraid to answer. This is just really poor argumentation...
I really wish I could explain to your face exactly what I mean. Because the answer keeps soaring over your head. I don't have any desire to get a stupid mount so I don't play with crown crates. Crown crates aren't in my way of enjoying ESO so I don't whine about it. Objectively, crown crates prevent no one from enjoying ESO, they are a completely optional. If ZOS put the game behind crown crates and it was the only way to enjoy it, I would quietly no longer play ESO. If you desire you want a mount then you must accept the system which crown crates currently work. That's my answer. No one disrespect ZOS, and no one whine like ESO was ruined by some optional side gag.
That side gag is now the main attraction, feature, source of new fun, from here on out. Please show a little respect and do not label it a side gag. Folks at ZOS are working to ensure that all resources are poured into fun boxes going forward. Don't belittle their commitment.
You have ZERO proof of that statement. There is absolutely no real evidence that they are pouring all current and future resources into the crown store. N O N E.
I don't care what has happened in the past in "other" games. IF it happens here then we have the discussion and make our choices; but until it happens here, it is nothing but unbased bluster.
I doubt many would be surprised
Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results - Albert Einstein
I wouldn't be surprised if it eventually happened either - I'm a realist.
When / If it does happen I would probably move on like many others. That is the "gamble" if the crown crates on ZoS's end.
See? The company is gambling just like we are!1 -
Sinthrax✭✭✭✭For a year people cried that the game shouldn't have a sub. Well, now it doesn't. Enjoy your B2P or F2P game. Isn't it swell.8 -
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✭✭Bouldercleave wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »
"Worth" is not dependant on ZOS price tag but to how valuable they really are. Poisons for example have no worth at all since these are extremely easy to get. Same goes for pointless werewolf / vampire bites... all free and mostly easy to acquire yet they cost like 1k crowns.Publius_Scipio wrote: »I have nothing against direct purchases. I have nothing against crown crates. ZOS can include whatever "benefit" it sees fit into its product, whether you personally believe there is no benefit to anyone but ZOS itself. You make the decision to whether or not you want to consume their product.
I absolutely will defend their right to be "stupid", smart, goofy, funny, upside down, sideways, etc etc. It is the very right they have that should be defended. The same right we all have, individuals and businesses. And ZOS should absolutely not bend to the will and logic you believe in unless they themselves want to change course.
If you think a cookie should cost as much as car then I guess there is nothing much I can argue with. Why would anyone that is actually interested in buying said cookie choose the price much higher? It seems you don't even use the crown store which makes this very easy. I can't fathom any other explanation and you don't need to answer. You just lost me completely with this "logic".
Let me try to get something through to you. It's called freedoms. F R E E D O M!
You're completely missing the point. You have "freedom" as well. The freedom to oppose this nonsense yet you defend the developers and their ridiculous thieving. God, "patriots" are annoying.
There is no patriot. I made my point clearly. ZOS should absolutely not bend to anyone's will/idea/thoughts unless they themselves decide to take a course of action with how they want to handle their business. You can say whatever you want, you can do whatever you want, you can buy all the crown crates you want. Doesn't matter to me. If internally ZOS holds a meeting and says let us keep crown crates up simply to troll all the players, then I give that decision two thumbs up. If ZOS decides to do away with crown crates then I give it two thumbs up.
Social justice warriors in an uproar because a game company put completely optional slot machine into their game......
There are. Your constant need to express how american you are is irritating and seems to be exactly the reason why you refuse to make any sense.
You haven't refuted me implying it and I don't like making assumptions but lets be honest: you don't actually buy anything from the crown store, do you? That's why you don't care and can very easily defend the freedom you're so proud of. Because your money isn't affected in any way. You just blatantly said you're fine with ZOS trolling their costumers. You're a costumer, why the hell would you not make use of that great freedom you keep preaching? That's just hypocritical on every level.
You could spend money on these crates for eternity and never get the item you want. Tell me why you as a costumer would desire this? But instead of answering you just go back to how they have the right to be as unreasonable as they like which brings nothing across. We all know that and that isn't the point of this thread. You're going in circles, trying make a point that is completely irrelevant to the discussion.
You keep going in circles because you keep equating what ZOS should do in your mind with what is "supposed" to work for customers as you think it should. DO NOT BUY CROWN CRATES IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE SYSTEM! It is really not more complicated than that.
What more do you want from anyone here or even ZOS? ZOS doesn't even want you buying crown crates if you don't want to, that's why it's OPTIONAL!
Yes I am American. To confirm for you there.
You avoided the question again. You don't need to tell me what I can do, I know that myself.
Again: "you don't actually buy anything from the crown store, do you?"
"You could spend money on these crates for eternity and never get the item you want. Tell me why you as a costumer would desire this?"
I'm telling you very clearly what I want but it seems you're afraid to answer. This is just really poor argumentation...
I really wish I could explain to your face exactly what I mean. Because the answer keeps soaring over your head. I don't have any desire to get a stupid mount so I don't play with crown crates. Crown crates aren't in my way of enjoying ESO so I don't whine about it. Objectively, crown crates prevent no one from enjoying ESO, they are a completely optional. If ZOS put the game behind crown crates and it was the only way to enjoy it, I would quietly no longer play ESO. If you desire you want a mount then you must accept the system which crown crates currently work. That's my answer. No one disrespect ZOS, and no one whine like ESO was ruined by some optional side gag.
That side gag is now the main attraction, feature, source of new fun, from here on out. Please show a little respect and do not label it a side gag. Folks at ZOS are working to ensure that all resources are poured into fun boxes going forward. Don't belittle their commitment.
You have ZERO proof of that statement. There is absolutely no real evidence that they are pouring all current and future resources into the crown store. N O N E.
I don't care what has happened in the past in "other" games. IF it happens here then we have the discussion and make our choices; but until it happens here, it is nothing but unbased bluster.
In my opinion you anti crate people are being very disrespectful. Are you implying here that if ZOS was doing that, it would somehow be seen as negative? I came here to gamble and sit in town on rare mounts. If you enjoy "video games" then perhaps you should try one of the maybe 2 out of a billion non heavily monetized, content light, low population, mmorpg games available. Don't try to insinuate that it's somehow bad that nearly every mmorpg of the last decade went this route. ESO is allowed to fall in line and you can't stop them!0 -
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That's true.Bouldercleave wrote: »You have ZERO proof of that statement. There is absolutely no real evidence that they are pouring all current and future resources into the crown store. N O N E.
I don't care what has happened in the past in "other" games. IF it happens here then we have the discussion and make our choices; but until it happens here, it is nothing but unbased bluster.
It's also true that we have zero proof of the opposite.
But can you really blame people for refusing to give ZOS the benefit of the doubt after so many perceived slights by ZOS? ZOS could've disclosed drop rates and given us transparency. They opted not to. ZOS could've made the non-themed Crate items available for purchase directly--even at inflated prices--for people who don't want to deal with RNG, but they opted not to. In the face of all this backlash, ZOS could've come in and made a post reassuring people what lines they will not cross in the future. They don't even do that.
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✭✭✭✭✭Publius_Scipio wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »
"Worth" is not dependant on ZOS price tag but to how valuable they really are. Poisons for example have no worth at all since these are extremely easy to get. Same goes for pointless werewolf / vampire bites... all free and mostly easy to acquire yet they cost like 1k crowns.Publius_Scipio wrote: »I have nothing against direct purchases. I have nothing against crown crates. ZOS can include whatever "benefit" it sees fit into its product, whether you personally believe there is no benefit to anyone but ZOS itself. You make the decision to whether or not you want to consume their product.
I absolutely will defend their right to be "stupid", smart, goofy, funny, upside down, sideways, etc etc. It is the very right they have that should be defended. The same right we all have, individuals and businesses. And ZOS should absolutely not bend to the will and logic you believe in unless they themselves want to change course.
If you think a cookie should cost as much as car then I guess there is nothing much I can argue with. Why would anyone that is actually interested in buying said cookie choose the price much higher? It seems you don't even use the crown store which makes this very easy. I can't fathom any other explanation and you don't need to answer. You just lost me completely with this "logic".
Let me try to get something through to you. It's called freedoms. F R E E D O M!
You're completely missing the point. You have "freedom" as well. The freedom to oppose this nonsense yet you defend the developers and their ridiculous thieving. God, "patriots" are annoying.
There is no patriot. I made my point clearly. ZOS should absolutely not bend to anyone's will/idea/thoughts unless they themselves decide to take a course of action with how they want to handle their business. You can say whatever you want, you can do whatever you want, you can buy all the crown crates you want. Doesn't matter to me. If internally ZOS holds a meeting and says let us keep crown crates up simply to troll all the players, then I give that decision two thumbs up. If ZOS decides to do away with crown crates then I give it two thumbs up.
Social justice warriors in an uproar because a game company put completely optional slot machine into their game......
There are. Your constant need to express how american you are is irritating and seems to be exactly the reason why you refuse to make any sense.
You haven't refuted me implying it and I don't like making assumptions but lets be honest: you don't actually buy anything from the crown store, do you? That's why you don't care and can very easily defend the freedom you're so proud of. Because your money isn't affected in any way. You just blatantly said you're fine with ZOS trolling their costumers. You're a costumer, why the hell would you not make use of that great freedom you keep preaching? That's just hypocritical on every level.
You could spend money on these crates for eternity and never get the item you want. Tell me why you as a costumer would desire this? But instead of answering you just go back to how they have the right to be as unreasonable as they like which brings nothing across. We all know that and that isn't the point of this thread. You're going in circles, trying make a point that is completely irrelevant to the discussion.
You keep going in circles because you keep equating what ZOS should do in your mind with what is "supposed" to work for customers as you think it should. DO NOT BUY CROWN CRATES IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE SYSTEM! It is really not more complicated than that.
What more do you want from anyone here or even ZOS? ZOS doesn't even want you buying crown crates if you don't want to, that's why it's OPTIONAL!
Yes I am American. To confirm for you there.
You avoided the question again. You don't need to tell me what I can do, I know that myself.
Again: "you don't actually buy anything from the crown store, do you?"
"You could spend money on these crates for eternity and never get the item you want. Tell me why you as a costumer would desire this?"
I'm telling you very clearly what I want but it seems you're afraid to answer. This is just really poor argumentation...
I don't have any desire to get a stupid mount so I don't play with crown crates. Crown crates aren't in my way of enjoying ESO so I don't whine about it. Objectively, crown crates prevent no one from enjoying ESO, they are a completely optional.
Ahahah. Are you serious? All these big words about how we should accept their decisions and you don't even actively support crown crates yourself?!
That's exactly what I wanted to hear from you. You don't even partake in their marketing but think you can tell the rest of us who actually finance this game what we should consider acceptable. That's rich. If this was done to an aspect of the game you consider worthwhile you admit you would quit the game but as long as it's cosmetics any objection are just whiny "social justice warriors". Can it get any worse with the hypocrisy?
Yes, cosmetics don't prevent me from playing the game but those are one of the things that interest me. They will add more and more such desired items into crates that I can simply not afford and it will become frustrating after a while. To the point where I don't even want to bother with the game because why display all these awesome things to me when I can't f***ing obtain them?! Even you should understand that. And who says they will stop at cosmetics? They already made the XP scrolls more valuable than the ones made in-game. It can only get worse and people like you are to thank for it.
To deny others content just because you don't deem it necessary or worthwhile is just disgusting. And don't tell me it's obtainable - you yourself said you'd leave the game if this were to happen to something important. It's not obtainable by me and I spend a fair amount of money on this game.
You're completely misguided and your logic is subjective. I don't have to partake in crown crates to say that ZOS can do as it pleases with the content it creates. Actually I don't see any hypocrisy at all. You twist things as you see them. And I am not denying anyone anything because I am not ZOS and I am not involved (before you make me really laugh). The amount of money you spend on the game has no bearing on what I have to say about the tidal wave of tears over crown crates.
You keep responding, you explain to us that you are so kind to partake in the marketing. And ultimately the answer always becomes, no matter who you are, DO NOT SPEND MONEY ON THE CROWN CRATES IF YOU DO NOT LIKE THE SYSTEM IN PLACE CURRENTLY. And you, I assume from your responses understand the risk involved with crown crates...
Are you looking for an apology? I will apologize here. I PUBLIUS SCIPIO APOLOGIZE NYX2 THAT YOU SPENT MONEY ON CROWN CRATES AND DID NOT RECEIVE ANYTHING TO YOUR LIKING. I am rooting for your future success with crown crates.
I see the hypocracy. I've seen it since you started posting.7 -
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✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »
"Worth" is not dependant on ZOS price tag but to how valuable they really are. Poisons for example have no worth at all since these are extremely easy to get. Same goes for pointless werewolf / vampire bites... all free and mostly easy to acquire yet they cost like 1k crowns.Publius_Scipio wrote: »I have nothing against direct purchases. I have nothing against crown crates. ZOS can include whatever "benefit" it sees fit into its product, whether you personally believe there is no benefit to anyone but ZOS itself. You make the decision to whether or not you want to consume their product.
I absolutely will defend their right to be "stupid", smart, goofy, funny, upside down, sideways, etc etc. It is the very right they have that should be defended. The same right we all have, individuals and businesses. And ZOS should absolutely not bend to the will and logic you believe in unless they themselves want to change course.
If you think a cookie should cost as much as car then I guess there is nothing much I can argue with. Why would anyone that is actually interested in buying said cookie choose the price much higher? It seems you don't even use the crown store which makes this very easy. I can't fathom any other explanation and you don't need to answer. You just lost me completely with this "logic".
Let me try to get something through to you. It's called freedoms. F R E E D O M!
You're completely missing the point. You have "freedom" as well. The freedom to oppose this nonsense yet you defend the developers and their ridiculous thieving. God, "patriots" are annoying.
There is no patriot. I made my point clearly. ZOS should absolutely not bend to anyone's will/idea/thoughts unless they themselves decide to take a course of action with how they want to handle their business. You can say whatever you want, you can do whatever you want, you can buy all the crown crates you want. Doesn't matter to me. If internally ZOS holds a meeting and says let us keep crown crates up simply to troll all the players, then I give that decision two thumbs up. If ZOS decides to do away with crown crates then I give it two thumbs up.
Social justice warriors in an uproar because a game company put completely optional slot machine into their game......
There are. Your constant need to express how american you are is irritating and seems to be exactly the reason why you refuse to make any sense.
You haven't refuted me implying it and I don't like making assumptions but lets be honest: you don't actually buy anything from the crown store, do you? That's why you don't care and can very easily defend the freedom you're so proud of. Because your money isn't affected in any way. You just blatantly said you're fine with ZOS trolling their costumers. You're a costumer, why the hell would you not make use of that great freedom you keep preaching? That's just hypocritical on every level.
You could spend money on these crates for eternity and never get the item you want. Tell me why you as a costumer would desire this? But instead of answering you just go back to how they have the right to be as unreasonable as they like which brings nothing across. We all know that and that isn't the point of this thread. You're going in circles, trying make a point that is completely irrelevant to the discussion.
You keep going in circles because you keep equating what ZOS should do in your mind with what is "supposed" to work for customers as you think it should. DO NOT BUY CROWN CRATES IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE SYSTEM! It is really not more complicated than that.
What more do you want from anyone here or even ZOS? ZOS doesn't even want you buying crown crates if you don't want to, that's why it's OPTIONAL!
Yes I am American. To confirm for you there.
You avoided the question again. You don't need to tell me what I can do, I know that myself.
Again: "you don't actually buy anything from the crown store, do you?"
"You could spend money on these crates for eternity and never get the item you want. Tell me why you as a costumer would desire this?"
I'm telling you very clearly what I want but it seems you're afraid to answer. This is just really poor argumentation...
I don't have any desire to get a stupid mount so I don't play with crown crates. Crown crates aren't in my way of enjoying ESO so I don't whine about it. Objectively, crown crates prevent no one from enjoying ESO, they are a completely optional.
Ahahah. Are you serious? All these big words about how we should accept their decisions and you don't even actively support crown crates yourself?!
That's exactly what I wanted to hear from you. You don't even partake in their marketing but think you can tell the rest of us who actually finance this game what we should consider acceptable. That's rich. If this was done to an aspect of the game you consider worthwhile you admit you would quit the game but as long as it's cosmetics any objection are just whiny "social justice warriors". Can it get any worse with the hypocrisy?
Yes, cosmetics don't prevent me from playing the game but those are one of the things that interest me. They will add more and more such desired items into crates that I can simply not afford and it will become frustrating after a while. To the point where I don't even want to bother with the game because why display all these awesome things to me when I can't f***ing obtain them?! Even you should understand that. And who says they will stop at cosmetics? They already made the XP scrolls more valuable than the ones made in-game. It can only get worse and people like you are to thank for it.
To deny others content just because you don't deem it necessary or worthwhile is just disgusting. And don't tell me it's obtainable - you yourself said you'd leave the game if this were to happen to something important. It's not obtainable by me and I spend a fair amount of money on this game.
You're completely misguided and your logic is subjective. I don't have to partake in crown crates to say that ZOS can do as it pleases with the content it creates. Actually I don't see any hypocrisy at all. You twist things as you see them. And I am not denying anyone anything because I am not ZOS and I am not involved (before you make me really laugh). The amount of money you spend on the game has no bearing on what I have to say about the tidal wave of tears over crown crates.
You keep responding, you explain to us that you are so kind to partake in the marketing. And ultimately the answer always becomes, no matter who you are, DO NOT SPEND MONEY ON THE CROWN CRATES IF YOU DO NOT LIKE THE SYSTEM IN PLACE CURRENTLY. And you, I assume from your responses understand the risk involved with crown crates...
Are you looking for an apology? I will apologize here. I PUBLIUS SCIPIO APOLOGIZE NYX2 THAT YOU SPENT MONEY ON CROWN CRATES AND DID NOT RECEIVE ANYTHING TO YOUR LIKING. I am rooting for your future success with crown crates.
I see the hypocracy. I've seen it since you started posting.
Hey. How am I to argue with that. Since you say so I am. Let me correct myself.0 -
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That's true.Bouldercleave wrote: »You have ZERO proof of that statement. There is absolutely no real evidence that they are pouring all current and future resources into the crown store. N O N E.
I don't care what has happened in the past in "other" games. IF it happens here then we have the discussion and make our choices; but until it happens here, it is nothing but unbased bluster.
It's also true that we have zero proof of the opposite.
But can you really blame people for refusing to give ZOS the benefit of the doubt after so many perceived slights by ZOS? ZOS could've disclosed drop rates and given us transparency. They opted not to. ZOS could've made the non-themed Crate items available for purchase directly--even at inflated prices--for people who don't want to deal with RNG, but they opted not to. In the face of all this backlash, ZOS could've come in and made a post reassuring people what lines they will not cross in the future. They don't even do that.
Why do you expect people to give ZOS the benefit of the doubt?
I don't expect people to. I do because I like to crucify people and companies AFTER the do something wrong, not before.5 -
Nyx2✭✭✭✭Publius_Scipio wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »
"Worth" is not dependant on ZOS price tag but to how valuable they really are. Poisons for example have no worth at all since these are extremely easy to get. Same goes for pointless werewolf / vampire bites... all free and mostly easy to acquire yet they cost like 1k crowns.Publius_Scipio wrote: »I have nothing against direct purchases. I have nothing against crown crates. ZOS can include whatever "benefit" it sees fit into its product, whether you personally believe there is no benefit to anyone but ZOS itself. You make the decision to whether or not you want to consume their product.
I absolutely will defend their right to be "stupid", smart, goofy, funny, upside down, sideways, etc etc. It is the very right they have that should be defended. The same right we all have, individuals and businesses. And ZOS should absolutely not bend to the will and logic you believe in unless they themselves want to change course.
If you think a cookie should cost as much as car then I guess there is nothing much I can argue with. Why would anyone that is actually interested in buying said cookie choose the price much higher? It seems you don't even use the crown store which makes this very easy. I can't fathom any other explanation and you don't need to answer. You just lost me completely with this "logic".
Let me try to get something through to you. It's called freedoms. F R E E D O M!
You're completely missing the point. You have "freedom" as well. The freedom to oppose this nonsense yet you defend the developers and their ridiculous thieving. God, "patriots" are annoying.
There is no patriot. I made my point clearly. ZOS should absolutely not bend to anyone's will/idea/thoughts unless they themselves decide to take a course of action with how they want to handle their business. You can say whatever you want, you can do whatever you want, you can buy all the crown crates you want. Doesn't matter to me. If internally ZOS holds a meeting and says let us keep crown crates up simply to troll all the players, then I give that decision two thumbs up. If ZOS decides to do away with crown crates then I give it two thumbs up.
Social justice warriors in an uproar because a game company put completely optional slot machine into their game......
There are. Your constant need to express how american you are is irritating and seems to be exactly the reason why you refuse to make any sense.
You haven't refuted me implying it and I don't like making assumptions but lets be honest: you don't actually buy anything from the crown store, do you? That's why you don't care and can very easily defend the freedom you're so proud of. Because your money isn't affected in any way. You just blatantly said you're fine with ZOS trolling their costumers. You're a costumer, why the hell would you not make use of that great freedom you keep preaching? That's just hypocritical on every level.
You could spend money on these crates for eternity and never get the item you want. Tell me why you as a costumer would desire this? But instead of answering you just go back to how they have the right to be as unreasonable as they like which brings nothing across. We all know that and that isn't the point of this thread. You're going in circles, trying make a point that is completely irrelevant to the discussion.
You keep going in circles because you keep equating what ZOS should do in your mind with what is "supposed" to work for customers as you think it should. DO NOT BUY CROWN CRATES IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE SYSTEM! It is really not more complicated than that.
What more do you want from anyone here or even ZOS? ZOS doesn't even want you buying crown crates if you don't want to, that's why it's OPTIONAL!
Yes I am American. To confirm for you there.
You avoided the question again. You don't need to tell me what I can do, I know that myself.
Again: "you don't actually buy anything from the crown store, do you?"
"You could spend money on these crates for eternity and never get the item you want. Tell me why you as a costumer would desire this?"
I'm telling you very clearly what I want but it seems you're afraid to answer. This is just really poor argumentation...
I don't have any desire to get a stupid mount so I don't play with crown crates. Crown crates aren't in my way of enjoying ESO so I don't whine about it. Objectively, crown crates prevent no one from enjoying ESO, they are a completely optional.
Ahahah. Are you serious? All these big words about how we should accept their decisions and you don't even actively support crown crates yourself?!
That's exactly what I wanted to hear from you. You don't even partake in their marketing but think you can tell the rest of us who actually finance this game what we should consider acceptable. That's rich. If this was done to an aspect of the game you consider worthwhile you admit you would quit the game but as long as it's cosmetics any objection are just whiny "social justice warriors". Can it get any worse with the hypocrisy?
Yes, cosmetics don't prevent me from playing the game but those are one of the things that interest me. They will add more and more such desired items into crates that I can simply not afford and it will become frustrating after a while. To the point where I don't even want to bother with the game because why display all these awesome things to me when I can't f***ing obtain them?! Even you should understand that. And who says they will stop at cosmetics? They already made the XP scrolls more valuable than the ones made in-game. It can only get worse and people like you are to thank for it.
To deny others content just because you don't deem it necessary or worthwhile is just disgusting. And don't tell me it's obtainable - you yourself said you'd leave the game if this were to happen to something important. It's not obtainable by me and I spend a fair amount of money on this game.
You're completely misguided and your logic is subjective. I don't have to partake in crown crates to say that ZOS can do as it pleases with the content it creates. Actually I don't see any hypocrisy at all. You twist things as you see them. And I am not denying anyone anything because I am not ZOS and I am not involved (before you make me really laugh). The amount of money you spend on the game has no bearing on what I have to say about the tidal wave of tears over crown crates.
You keep responding, you explain to us that you are so kind to partake in the marketing. And ultimately the answer always becomes, no matter who you are, DO NOT SPEND MONEY ON THE CROWN CRATES IF YOU DO NOT LIKE THE SYSTEM IN PLACE CURRENTLY. And you, I assume from your responses understand the risk involved with crown crates...
Are you looking for an apology? I will apologize here. I PUBLIUS SCIPIO APOLOGIZE NYX2 THAT YOU SPENT MONEY ON CROWN CRATES AND DID NOT RECEIVE ANYTHING TO YOUR LIKING. I am rooting for your future success with crown crates.
You won. The fact that you manage to still successfully delude yourself after I broke apart everything you said deserves at least some sort of recognition.
By your own words you'd quit if they did this to more "important" aspects but you still insult people with social justice warrior because you don't see the content of crown crates worthwhile. That is what subjectivity means. I'm wasting precious keystrokes on someone who doesn't realize how badly he lost an argument. You clearly haven't properly read my comment and the one and only thing you keep repeating is the irrelevant "u dun hav to buy it if u dont liek it!" Good luck with that and try to keep the hypocrisy to a minimum.5 -
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That's true.Bouldercleave wrote: »You have ZERO proof of that statement. There is absolutely no real evidence that they are pouring all current and future resources into the crown store. N O N E.
I don't care what has happened in the past in "other" games. IF it happens here then we have the discussion and make our choices; but until it happens here, it is nothing but unbased bluster.
It's also true that we have zero proof of the opposite.
But can you really blame people for refusing to give ZOS the benefit of the doubt after so many perceived slights by ZOS? ZOS could've disclosed drop rates and given us transparency. They opted not to. ZOS could've made the non-themed Crate items available for purchase directly--even at inflated prices--for people who don't want to deal with RNG, but they opted not to. In the face of all this backlash, ZOS could've come in and made a post reassuring people what lines they will not cross in the future. They don't even do that.
Why do you expect people to give ZOS the benefit of the doubt?
I don't expect people to. I do because I like to crucify people and companies AFTER the do something wrong, not before.
All jokes aside, I'm usually the same way. But damn I've been burned so many times. It's to the point now where I just assume every mmorpg will go that route. Problem this time is, I think it's happening liken usual, but dang if I don't love me some eso. Torn, guess we'll see.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Bouldercleave wrote: »
That's true.Bouldercleave wrote: »You have ZERO proof of that statement. There is absolutely no real evidence that they are pouring all current and future resources into the crown store. N O N E.
I don't care what has happened in the past in "other" games. IF it happens here then we have the discussion and make our choices; but until it happens here, it is nothing but unbased bluster.
It's also true that we have zero proof of the opposite.
But can you really blame people for refusing to give ZOS the benefit of the doubt after so many perceived slights by ZOS? ZOS could've disclosed drop rates and given us transparency. They opted not to. ZOS could've made the non-themed Crate items available for purchase directly--even at inflated prices--for people who don't want to deal with RNG, but they opted not to. In the face of all this backlash, ZOS could've come in and made a post reassuring people what lines they will not cross in the future. They don't even do that.
Why do you expect people to give ZOS the benefit of the doubt?
I don't expect people to. I do because I like to crucify people and companies AFTER the do something wrong, not before.
That's your choice. Let people make theirs, repleat with all opinions and advise they can glean on the matter.
You wanna advocate for choice? Let people make what you consider the -wrong- choice.Edited by Doctordarkspawn on December 2, 2016 11:39PM0 -
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Deterrence.Bouldercleave wrote: »I don't expect people to. I do because I like to crucify people and companies AFTER the do something wrong, not before.
I have no expectation to see Crown Crates rolled back. Nor do I think they need to be. But hopefully, if someone at ZOS was thinking about expanding the scope of this thing, they've been given reason to have second thoughts.Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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✭✭✭Publius_Scipio wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »
"Worth" is not dependant on ZOS price tag but to how valuable they really are. Poisons for example have no worth at all since these are extremely easy to get. Same goes for pointless werewolf / vampire bites... all free and mostly easy to acquire yet they cost like 1k crowns.Publius_Scipio wrote: »I have nothing against direct purchases. I have nothing against crown crates. ZOS can include whatever "benefit" it sees fit into its product, whether you personally believe there is no benefit to anyone but ZOS itself. You make the decision to whether or not you want to consume their product.
I absolutely will defend their right to be "stupid", smart, goofy, funny, upside down, sideways, etc etc. It is the very right they have that should be defended. The same right we all have, individuals and businesses. And ZOS should absolutely not bend to the will and logic you believe in unless they themselves want to change course.
If you think a cookie should cost as much as car then I guess there is nothing much I can argue with. Why would anyone that is actually interested in buying said cookie choose the price much higher? It seems you don't even use the crown store which makes this very easy. I can't fathom any other explanation and you don't need to answer. You just lost me completely with this "logic".
Let me try to get something through to you. It's called freedoms. F R E E D O M!
You're completely missing the point. You have "freedom" as well. The freedom to oppose this nonsense yet you defend the developers and their ridiculous thieving. God, "patriots" are annoying.
There is no patriot. I made my point clearly. ZOS should absolutely not bend to anyone's will/idea/thoughts unless they themselves decide to take a course of action with how they want to handle their business. You can say whatever you want, you can do whatever you want, you can buy all the crown crates you want. Doesn't matter to me. If internally ZOS holds a meeting and says let us keep crown crates up simply to troll all the players, then I give that decision two thumbs up. If ZOS decides to do away with crown crates then I give it two thumbs up.
Social justice warriors in an uproar because a game company put completely optional slot machine into their game......
There are. Your constant need to express how american you are is irritating and seems to be exactly the reason why you refuse to make any sense.
You haven't refuted me implying it and I don't like making assumptions but lets be honest: you don't actually buy anything from the crown store, do you? That's why you don't care and can very easily defend the freedom you're so proud of. Because your money isn't affected in any way. You just blatantly said you're fine with ZOS trolling their costumers. You're a costumer, why the hell would you not make use of that great freedom you keep preaching? That's just hypocritical on every level.
You could spend money on these crates for eternity and never get the item you want. Tell me why you as a costumer would desire this? But instead of answering you just go back to how they have the right to be as unreasonable as they like which brings nothing across. We all know that and that isn't the point of this thread. You're going in circles, trying make a point that is completely irrelevant to the discussion.
You keep going in circles because you keep equating what ZOS should do in your mind with what is "supposed" to work for customers as you think it should. DO NOT BUY CROWN CRATES IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE SYSTEM! It is really not more complicated than that.
What more do you want from anyone here or even ZOS? ZOS doesn't even want you buying crown crates if you don't want to, that's why it's OPTIONAL!
Yes I am American. To confirm for you there.
You avoided the question again. You don't need to tell me what I can do, I know that myself.
Again: "you don't actually buy anything from the crown store, do you?"
"You could spend money on these crates for eternity and never get the item you want. Tell me why you as a costumer would desire this?"
I'm telling you very clearly what I want but it seems you're afraid to answer. This is just really poor argumentation...
I don't have any desire to get a stupid mount so I don't play with crown crates. Crown crates aren't in my way of enjoying ESO so I don't whine about it. Objectively, crown crates prevent no one from enjoying ESO, they are a completely optional.
Ahahah. Are you serious? All these big words about how we should accept their decisions and you don't even actively support crown crates yourself?!
That's exactly what I wanted to hear from you. You don't even partake in their marketing but think you can tell the rest of us who actually finance this game what we should consider acceptable. That's rich. If this was done to an aspect of the game you consider worthwhile you admit you would quit the game but as long as it's cosmetics any objection are just whiny "social justice warriors". Can it get any worse with the hypocrisy?
Yes, cosmetics don't prevent me from playing the game but those are one of the things that interest me. They will add more and more such desired items into crates that I can simply not afford and it will become frustrating after a while. To the point where I don't even want to bother with the game because why display all these awesome things to me when I can't f***ing obtain them?! Even you should understand that. And who says they will stop at cosmetics? They already made the XP scrolls more valuable than the ones made in-game. It can only get worse and people like you are to thank for it.
To deny others content just because you don't deem it necessary or worthwhile is just disgusting. And don't tell me it's obtainable - you yourself said you'd leave the game if this were to happen to something important. It's not obtainable by me and I spend a fair amount of money on this game.
You're completely misguided and your logic is subjective. I don't have to partake in crown crates to say that ZOS can do as it pleases with the content it creates. Actually I don't see any hypocrisy at all. You twist things as you see them. And I am not denying anyone anything because I am not ZOS and I am not involved (before you make me really laugh). The amount of money you spend on the game has no bearing on what I have to say about the tidal wave of tears over crown crates.
You keep responding, you explain to us that you are so kind to partake in the marketing. And ultimately the answer always becomes, no matter who you are, DO NOT SPEND MONEY ON THE CROWN CRATES IF YOU DO NOT LIKE THE SYSTEM IN PLACE CURRENTLY. And you, I assume from your responses understand the risk involved with crown crates...
Are you looking for an apology? I will apologize here. I PUBLIUS SCIPIO APOLOGIZE NYX2 THAT YOU SPENT MONEY ON CROWN CRATES AND DID NOT RECEIVE ANYTHING TO YOUR LIKING. I am rooting for your future success with crown crates.
You won. The fact that you manage to still successfully delude yourself after I broke apart everything you said deserves at least some sort of recognition.
By your own words you'd quit if they did this to more "important" aspects but you still insult people with social justice warrior because you don't see the content of crown crates worthwhile. That is what subjectivity means. I'm wasting precious keystrokes on someone who doesn't realize how badly he lost an argument. You clearly haven't properly read my comment and the one and only thing you keep repeating is the irrelevant "u dun hav to buy it if u dont liek it!" Good luck with that and try to keep the hypocrisy to a minimum.
I apologize a second time.
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✭I just cleared up 79.49 gigs on my PS4 hard drive. Plenty of MMO's whose business methods I feel I can support. Sad ZOS isn't one of them as I am a huge Elder Scrolls fan.6 -
GhostwalkerLD✭✭✭✭Unfortunately, this is where I bow out. I said I would unsub and stop playing once these entered the game, and that time has come. My sub ran out last month, and the time has come to uninstall. As long as these crown crates are in the game, I won't be.
Take care, everyone.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!8 -
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✭✭✭✭✭GhostwalkerLD wrote: »Unfortunately, this is where I bow out. I said I would unsub and stop playing once these entered the game, and that time has come. My sub ran out last month, and the time has come to uninstall. As long as these crown crates are in the game, I won't be.
Take care, everyone.
Walk free.
Hopefully, where you walk to will be a better game.6
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