Epona222 wrote: »

Xabien wrote: »

ScooberSteve wrote: »

For starter been here since pc beta too so also a vet. Im not saying you have to buy the crates im just saying dont complaim when they sell exclusive cosmetics even if in crown crates. Because if they make money thats good thats better dlc's they have the budget to produce for everyone. Cant have free to play not expect things like crown crates because at the end of the day they are running a business.

The same could be said for any business. If I go clothes shopping I don't expect a mystery box, nor if I order from a restaurant, or buy a mobile phone. Why should we have them in gaming?

They have three regular sources of income at the moment - subscriptions (which provide financial security), crown store (which if given a decent and regular amount of stock would be a nice earner) and box sales. They're not on skid row here, they're just being greedy.

That is exactly nail on head, the only places this sort of thing happens is in casinos and in video games. I don't go to the grocery store and buy a gamble bag of food, I don't go to the clothes store and buy a gamble bag of clothes, I don't know why some people are OK with this. This is ESO, not Vegas.

Because you don't have to?

Looking forward to seeing people on the new mounts because that means they are generating revenue. I will throw some crowns at the crates to see what all the fuss is about, but I have the ability to control my impulses and will stop if I don't see the benefit to me personally.

On the other hand, if they stop producing good content on a regular basis (which they haven't yet) or stop producing items to be purchased directly from the crown store that are worthwhile (which they haven't yet) then I will be concerned.

Good luck to everyone trying them and to anyone not... for financial or any other reason... best wishes, try and relax. You aren't going to stop it from happening, It is a done deal. Bashing or shaming people for buying crates isn't going to get you anywhere and neither is clenched fist raging at your monitor while slamming your forehead on the keyboard trying to convince people to abstain.

It's only a game... one I have also played non-stop since open Beta and plan to continue to play until I decide otherwise.

Peace.

ScooberSteve wrote: »

What does it matter no one is forcing you to buy them? Its 1 mount not the end of the world. And every mmo has something similar to crown crates. And your wrong your local grocery store does have a gambling machine its called a skill tester. It drops a toy how ever often the owner tells it to and in 1951 they were banned by federal law in America because they were deemed gambling devices. Its only later on the ban was lifted. Even in some states today its still banned unless the user can make repeated attempts and win a prize hence why skill tester today have the added claw fow winning lollies on the side.

It's also more then just one mount. Several of the cosmetics shown on pts for style parlor are also in the crates. Not every mmo has done rng crates. Until now it has only been full blown f2p mmorpg's.

I want to purchase specific items for my characters. Now I can't as racial specific items are in the crates that I desired for my Argonian. Why would I gamble ludicrous amounts of money for the items I want for my characters. When the servers die I can't take them with me.

Crown crates are a way to bring irresponsible spending habits to an mmo. When I want to gamble I will go to a casino, never should money gambling exist in a video game. This new trend needs to die.

Stonesthrow wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

Xabien wrote: »

ScooberSteve wrote: »

For starter been here since pc beta too so also a vet. Im not saying you have to buy the crates im just saying dont complaim when they sell exclusive cosmetics even if in crown crates. Because if they make money thats good thats better dlc's they have the budget to produce for everyone. Cant have free to play not expect things like crown crates because at the end of the day they are running a business.

The same could be said for any business. If I go clothes shopping I don't expect a mystery box, nor if I order from a restaurant, or buy a mobile phone. Why should we have them in gaming?

They have three regular sources of income at the moment - subscriptions (which provide financial security), crown store (which if given a decent and regular amount of stock would be a nice earner) and box sales. They're not on skid row here, they're just being greedy.

That is exactly nail on head, the only places this sort of thing happens is in casinos and in video games. I don't go to the grocery store and buy a gamble bag of food, I don't go to the clothes store and buy a gamble bag of clothes, I don't know why some people are OK with this. This is ESO, not Vegas.

Because you don't have to?

Looking forward to seeing people on the new mounts because that means they are generating revenue. I will throw some crowns at the crates to see what all the fuss is about, but I have the ability to control my impulses and will stop if I don't see the benefit to me personally.

On the other hand, if they stop producing good content on a regular basis (which they haven't yet) or stop producing items to be purchased directly from the crown store that are worthwhile (which they haven't yet) then I will be concerned.

Good luck to everyone trying them and to anyone not... for financial or any other reason... best wishes, try and relax. You aren't going to stop it from happening, It is a done deal. Bashing or shaming people for buying crates isn't going to get you anywhere and neither is clenched fist raging at your monitor while slamming your forehead on the keyboard trying to convince people to abstain.

It's only a game... one I have also played non-stop since open Beta and plan to continue to play until I decide otherwise.

Peace.

Well yeah - I hope I am wrong, I really HOPE that they have done something good here.
I do know that on the PTS I spent a fictional $500 and only got 1 mount. They took our feedback onboard, and said they would up the drop-rate by "a bit".

Sorry if I am not rushing out all excited about this. Maybe I will be proven wrong. But I am not going to be testing it on live.

ScooberSteve wrote: »

Well we should probably wait and see what the drop rate of rare items (mount) and the return of gems which go towards buying a mount before continuing this discussion further.

Agreed. Just wanted to point out though that not everybody is after a mount lol. I've always found glowy and "edgy" looking mounts and armours to be a little obnoxious

I won't buy a single crown crate.
At least ZOS will make a lot of money in the short run due to many naive gamblers.
If this can bring some stability to their profit, so be it
I can't accurately guess what is their current profit, but if they result to this, it may be a necessary evil.

Epona222 wrote: »

Well yeah - I hope I am wrong, I really HOPE that they have done something good here.
I do know that on the PTS I spent a fictional $500 and only got 1 mount. They took our feedback onboard, and said they would up the drop-rate by "a bit".

Sorry if I am not rushing out all excited about this. Maybe I will be proven wrong. But I am not going to be testing it on live.

I am only going to stick my pixelated toe in the crate pool...see if there be sharks in there.

They listened to a few suggestions. The trade in of consumables for crown gems is a pretty big deal, but yet to see how much you get back. They made a decent price break for buying multiple crates at a time. If they upped the drop rate, which they did NOT mention and we won't know right away, that would be great as well.

Since they plan on doing this every three months with a new theme, I would say it is in their best interest to make it a little "loose". It cost a certain amount to develop and a certain amount to maintain, but after that... what does it matter to ZOS how many people actually "win" good items? A good drop rate would be the best advertising they could hope for.

Enodoc wrote: »

Whether or not they contain cosmetic junk that you don't need isn't the point, the point is that if they're focusing their resources on this, they've got less resources to focus on content.

That, again. From that point of view, every precious costume or mount in the already existing crown store is a waste of ressources too.

Enodoc wrote: »

ScooberSteve wrote: »

Yeah because 5000 crowns for a mount is super cheap. Again you only care because your greedy its all cosmetic junk you dont need. That being said i dont agree with exclusive motifs being sold in the crown store either.

Whether or not they contain cosmetic junk that you don't need isn't the point, the point is that if they're focusing their resources on this, they've got less resources to focus on content.

I think it is time again to mention that the interface for opening the crates is more polished than any other aspect of the game.

Literally any other aspect of the game.

It is beautifully put together and animated.

I wonder how different things could be if the same amount of resources that were put on that had been put on, say, coding a proper search function for guild stores.

I'm sorry if I find it unlikely that the resources generated will go to the development of the game after seeing how polished the interface for opening the crates was.

ScooberSteve wrote: »

Not this with the guild stores again. They have designed guild stores that way for a certain reason whether or not you agree with them. Its not them being lazy its the way it is ment to be.

They why does it have a delay even when no addons are used and the store has very few items?
Is the delay by design?
Please.

The Guild Store UI is a mess. Not only because it is not nearly as useful as it could be, but because it has glitches and the delay. It isn't smooth and polished like the UI for opening the crates, nothing else in the game is.

ScooberSteve wrote: »

Well we should probably wait and see what the drop rate of rare items (mount) and the return of gems which go towards buying a mount before continuing this discussion further.

sry some people are naive, NOTHING in any of these types of games has a 'set'' drop rate, EVERYTHING is constantly monitored and manipulated to control the economy, What do you really think they do on scheduled maintenance ? fix things......LOL

they can not release a drop rate, because they don't have one, thats not how these boxes work.

they will continually monitor these boxes and what actually drops and then continually manipulate the drops,

these boxes contain rare items, rare items have a value, some a high value, they don't want to just give them away, that would be stupid, they want them to continue to stay rare

I'll tell you how these boxes work.
First day of a new cycle of contents, a set amount of the 'special' items will be set to drop, usually a higher amount than normal. to make sure quite a few people do actually get them, it is then very publicly known players are getting them, usually with on screen announcements or in the zone/server chat, one way or another it will be made known that players are getting the top rewards. the most usual way is on screen splash announcements, which is very effective Subliminal advertising, it gets put into your mind without you even knowing it.

This starts people thinking and this starts a buying 'frenzy' of players buying crowns and boxes, this get everybody excited and everybody want a part in it too.
they then lower the drop chance usually quite dramatically and sit back and watch the buying 'frenzy', when the buying rate drops off or it comes to a peak time of players online, like at peak times on weekends, they will increase the drop rates to start the the whole process over again.

the whole system is constantly manipulated. THIS is how they work.

Just remember back to the patch of Mythic Ciphers and we are told they are there, just go and find them. which caused a mass panic of some buying cheap and other selling high ambrosia recipes and fragments and the mass of players mob grinding for a week and no one actually ever saw a Mythic Cipher, then there was a 'hot fix' and mysteriously Ciphers start to appear.

Callous2208 wrote: »

Here's to hoping that put some of this scam box money back into the game. This would make them the first MMO to do so but hey, you never know.

Problem is, it will take a while for us to be sure that the money is being put back in the game. A few months of good showcases and a couple of good DLCs do not really show anything.

Epona222 wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

ScooberSteve wrote: »

Yeah because 5000 crowns for a mount is super cheap. Again you only care because your greedy its all cosmetic junk you dont need. That being said i dont agree with exclusive motifs being sold in the crown store either.

Whether or not they contain cosmetic junk that you don't need isn't the point, the point is that if they're focusing their resources on this, they've got less resources to focus on content.

I think it is time again to mention that the interface for opening the crates is more polished than any other aspect of the game.

Literally any other aspect of the game.

It is beautifully put together and animated.

I wonder how different things could be if the same amount of resources that were put on that had been put on, say, coding a proper search function for guild stores.

I'm sorry if I find it unlikely that the resources generated will go to the development of the game after seeing how polished the interface for opening the crates was.

Actually it isn't, it doesn't have (or at least when I tested it on the PTS didn't have) any subtitles at all for the hard of hearing, so from my point of view it looks sloppy right now compared to the rest of the game, and disconnected from it. Mind you, it did take Zeni over a year to make proper subtitles a thing, in the game.

I didn't take subtitles into consideration. I was thinking of how fluid and well made the animations were, and how responsive the controls were too.

On a sorta-related note, I wish someone would make an addon that could remove the Crown Crate button from the UI. I kept clicking on it instead of in the Crown Store button right next to it, on the PTS, and after a while I wanted to yell at Pacrooti to shut up.

ScooberSteve wrote: »

I think everyone here is just a little grumpy because where all waiting for the server to come back online

yeah right, most have been here since the start of the thread BEFORE we were told Crates were coming live

ScooberSteve wrote: »

I think everyone here is just a little grumpy because where all waiting for the server to come back online

Nah man. I'm at work. I've just played a lot of mmos over the years. I know how scam boxes work and what they lead to. But, I will admit, there is a chance that ESO becomes the first to go this route AND continue focusing on content and gameplay. Things that actually matter. So I'm in wait and see mode.

Abeille wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Here's to hoping that put some of this scam box money back into the game. This would make them the first MMO to do so but hey, you never know.

Problem is, it will take a while for us to be sure that the money is being put back in the game. A few months of good showcases and a couple of good DLCs do not really show anything.

Epona222 wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

ScooberSteve wrote: »

Yeah because 5000 crowns for a mount is super cheap. Again you only care because your greedy its all cosmetic junk you dont need. That being said i dont agree with exclusive motifs being sold in the crown store either.

Whether or not they contain cosmetic junk that you don't need isn't the point, the point is that if they're focusing their resources on this, they've got less resources to focus on content.

I think it is time again to mention that the interface for opening the crates is more polished than any other aspect of the game.

Literally any other aspect of the game.

It is beautifully put together and animated.

I wonder how different things could be if the same amount of resources that were put on that had been put on, say, coding a proper search function for guild stores.

I'm sorry if I find it unlikely that the resources generated will go to the development of the game after seeing how polished the interface for opening the crates was.

Actually it isn't, it doesn't have (or at least when I tested it on the PTS didn't have) any subtitles at all for the hard of hearing, so from my point of view it looks sloppy right now compared to the rest of the game, and disconnected from it. Mind you, it did take Zeni over a year to make proper subtitles a thing, in the game.

I didn't take subtitles into consideration. I was thinking of how fluid and well made the animations were, and how responsive the controls were too.

On a sorta-related note, I wish someone would make an addon that could remove the Crown Crate button from the UI. I kept clicking on it instead of in the Crown Store button right next to it, on the PTS, and after a while I wanted to yell at Pacrooti to shut up.

I don't think it is necessarily a bad thing that there were no subtitles on it on the PTS - as an example, I didn't know that the devious card dealing money stealer was supposed to be Pacrooti until I read it here on the forums. At least as long as they don't add subtitles, Pacrooti will remain blameless in my mind