The Vigor barrier!!

Bigevilpeter · August 2016

Ok I the OP have quit this thread a long time ago can't believe you guys are still arguing about it

vyndral13preub18_ESO · August 2016

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Ok I the OP have quit this thread a long time ago can't believe you guys are still arguing about it

See how soon you quit!? No wonder you cant get vigor!

Im just messing with you, that was to hard to pass up.

Anti_Virus · August 2016

Bdawwg wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

grumlins wrote: »

People who play pvp are missing the point entirely.

OP is stating that there is a pvp barrier to this skill that people in pve basically call for by name when joining to run dungeons.

There is no PVE equivalent. It's the same for many another skill there are missing skills that should have a pve equivalent so that people have a choice as to what playstyle they wish to play.

All other arguments about time, difficulty, etc are irrelevant, MMOs that have multiple ways of getting similar skills for their respective play styles is the argument here and it's a valid one.

Bomb sorcerer for example, the skill in pvp that causes a timed explosion doesn't have a PVE equivalent and it's been a pain in the side of many a PVE only player for some time now. Why not form a skill line that has similar PVE replacements? What's the harm?

@grumlins Ahem lets take a look at every skill that requires PvEing to obtain shall we?
Meteor
Entropy
Magelight
Equilibrium
Rune
Dawnbreaker
Protective Circle
Silver Shards
Trap Beast
Camo Hunter
Soul Assault
6% Max RSS

Ohhh man look at that

All mages guild skills can be earned with add ons like serously its not hard.

6% max stats aren't required to get kills in PVP however you need vigor to survive in both PVP and PVP comparing a healing skill that is needed for all stam builds to max stats is foolish

The only thing that yoy have right is grinding out FG skill line but even that can be done quickly compared to trying to compete with other pvpers when you don't have vigor.

And what about those people who play on console with no addons. It takes a huge amount of time to get meteor in pve and then fighters guild and then undaunted. 3 skill lines that need to be maxed out v 1 skill line that needs to be half maxed.

Just to conclude 3 v 0.5 and the 0.5 are complaining. Classic

You can look up mages guild books online they show locations its not as conducive as add ons but it gets the job done nonetheless.

Also you don't need the undaunted stats its just for min maxing you can compete just fine in pvp without it ( at least I do) I don't have time to grind it out so I play without it.

The FG grind is annoying and I'll give you that but its not difficult it just takes time. I would be in favor of an AvA ultimate that is as good as DB so I don't have to grind PVE all day.

What is "3 v 0.5"?

Edit: figured out what you mean.

starlizard70ub17_ESO · August 2016

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

There is always 2 handed if getting the AP is to hard for ya.

and lose so much dps beacuse i cant use a bow

So to be clear, you want to put in no effort, and get max dps plus max heals? LOL, if your bow is that important run 2H/bow

I didnt say no effort, just dont want to be forced to pvp to get a skill which is essential for pve

Lots of PvPers have to do PvE stuff to earn really useful PvP items. No real difference here. I don't like PvPing and yet it took less then a week to get both Vigor and Caltrops in less then a week, (and most of that time I spent farming mobs in delves.)

Ghost-Shot · August 2016

FFS how is this thread still a thing! Once again there is absolutely no PVE content that requires vigor, it makes things easier but everything is doable with just rally. @Satiar come tell these plebs how nothing was possible in this game before you had vigor!

DurzoBlint13 · August 2016

quote="GrumpyDuckling;3243194"]This thread is on page seven now and a vast majority of the posts are insulting the OP. I have yet to read a productive post which has expressed a good logical counter argument for why skills like Vigor should be PVP-locked and should not be accessible through gaining PVE experience.

If you look at the basis of the OP's argument, it's an argument that we should all support because it advocates for players to play the content we enjoy the most without having to drudge through content we don't enjoy, to get useful skills. If it helps people understand better, here is the same argument that the OP is using, rephrased:

*Skills which can be used in both PVE and PVP content should not be locked behind PVP-specific or PVE-specific experiences which force players to engage in content they do wish to play.*

That's a perfectly logical argument, which so far - through seven pages - has yet to be countered.[/quote]

The point most people are trying to make (I think) is that there is no "PvP barrier". Or if there is, then there is also a "PvE barrier" for skills like Meteor, DB, Camo Hunter, Undaunted Mettle, etc..... The game was designed to try give people incentive to play the different aspects of the game. Several people (myself included) have already said that they never would have tried PvP in the first place if not for Vigor and that they have loved it ever since. The devs want people to get out of their comfort zone and try different things. People are saying that they hate PvP and do not want to do it, yet they have not even tried it long enough to get Vigor to know if they will like it or not. Give it a shot. If everyone based their PvP perspective on their first 30 mins in Cyrodil, no one would be in Cyrodil now. It takes practice.

Bigevilpeter · August 2016

Just a shout out to all my fans out there I finally got Vigor, thank you for believing in me and supporting me without you this wouldn't have been possible :P

Now 90k more for caltrops and 2 more characters to go good lord!!

Oh and btw just wanted to point out how fast vigor itself levels, i got into this dungeon ready to farm it to morph ,then I killed one mob and its was vigor lvl 3 already

well at least that make up for that :P

Shad0wfire99 · August 2016

If you find a good group, it doesn't take very long. I got Vigor in a few hours. Took a couple of days to get Caltrops, which is why I was PvP'ing in the first place. But, during the time it took for me to get the skills I needed, I actually got decent at PvP, and I actually enjoy it now. I'm still *** 1v1, though. lol Just give it time.

Zerok · August 2016

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Just a shout out to all my fans out there I finally got Vigor, thank you for believing in me and supporting me without you this wouldn't have been possible :P

Now 90k more for caltrops and 2 more characters to go good lord!!

Oh and btw just wanted to point out how fast vigor itself levels, i got into this dungeon ready to farm it to morph ,then I killed one mob and its was vigor lvl 3 already well at least that make up for that :P

Did you do it solo or with a group?

Just curious.

Bigevilpeter · August 2016

Zerok wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Just a shout out to all my fans out there I finally got Vigor, thank you for believing in me and supporting me without you this wouldn't have been possible :P

Now 90k more for caltrops and 2 more characters to go good lord!!

Oh and btw just wanted to point out how fast vigor itself levels, i got into this dungeon ready to farm it to morph ,then I killed one mob and its was vigor lvl 3 already well at least that make up for that :P

Did you do it solo or with a group?

Just curious.

Mostly grouped, I just go lfg, join a group and go thrashing left and right till i die then come back and so on

though the last 20k i actually killed a delve boss got the buff and bought a ballista and sieged a bit, went a bit faster but not that much

AnnieBeGood · August 2016

Vigor was fast to get. However Caltrops seems to take forever.
But yay!!! Today she has caltrops.... vma here I come.

Again

I will get those damn weapons, I WILL.

Khairiah · August 2016

xskinzcity wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

wow pvp players are really too elitist and toxic, the rumors were all true

Because pve players complain about everything and want things handed to them. Pvp players dont complain about having to grind out dungeons for undaunted and vmsa just to have the gear we need for pvp. Plus more than likely its the pve players going to cyrodiil and getting wrecked then scream NERF on the forums.

They dont? O.o

jeremiah911 · November 2016

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

There is always 2 handed if getting the AP is to hard for ya.

and lose so much dps beacuse i cant use a bow

So to be clear, you want to put in no effort, and get max dps plus max heals? LOL, if your bow is that important run 2H/bow

I didnt say no effort, just dont want to be forced to pvp to get a skill which is essential for pve

Lots of PvPers have to do PvE stuff to earn really useful PvP items. No real difference here. I don't like PvPing and yet it took less then a week to get both Vigor and Caltrops in less then a week, (and most of that time I spent farming mobs in delves.)

Wait...you get AP from farming mobs in Cyrodil Delves?

Ghost-Shot · November 2016

jeremiah911 wrote: »

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

There is always 2 handed if getting the AP is to hard for ya.

and lose so much dps beacuse i cant use a bow

So to be clear, you want to put in no effort, and get max dps plus max heals? LOL, if your bow is that important run 2H/bow

I didnt say no effort, just dont want to be forced to pvp to get a skill which is essential for pve

Lots of PvPers have to do PvE stuff to earn really useful PvP items. No real difference here. I don't like PvPing and yet it took less then a week to get both Vigor and Caltrops in less then a week, (and most of that time I spent farming mobs in delves.)

Wait...you get AP from farming mobs in Cyrodil Delves?

No but if you kill a delve boss you get a 1 hour buff that increases your AP gains.

AlnilamE · November 2016

And now even the PvE dailies give you a little bit of AP.

Wollust · November 2016

Took me an evening of PvP to unlock Vigor and Caltrops on my new sorc.

Beyond me how people can still complain about it.

Potenza · November 2016

Wollust wrote: »

Took me an evening of PvP to unlock Vigor and Caltrops on my new sorc.

Beyond me how people can still complain about it.

They aren't, this is a necro'd thread. They should just lock old threads.