The Vigor barrier!!

Bigevilpeter

Vigor one of them most essential skills for stamina characters in both pve and pve and pvers like me are forced to pvp for days just to get it for every single stamina character I have, I just join a group and watch alliance points slowly coming up I keep failing miserably and btw I have still yet to get alliance level 5 with any of my characters.

At least it should have been the first or second skill om the line, but 60k alliance points for just from 4-5 is insane.

I cant even Vmsa without Vigor please change this im not a pvper and probably never will be dont force me to play something i dont like.


EDIT: Just a shout out to all my fans out there I finally got Vigor, thank you for believing in me and supporting me without you this wouldn't have been possible :P

Now 90k more for caltrops and 2 more characters to go good lord!!

Oh and btw just wanted to point out how fast vigor itself levels, i got into this dungeon ready to farm it to morph ,then I killed one mob and its was vigor lvl 3 already well at least that make up for that :P

vMSA here I come!!

OdinForge

Vigor takes like a few days to unlock these days, it used to take months or almost a year depending on how much AP you got.

The first world problems these days.

Ghost-Shot

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Vigor one of them most essential skills for stamina characters in both pve and pve and pvers like me are forced to pvp for days just to get it for every single stamina character I have, I just join a group and watch alliance points slowly coming up I keep failing miserably and btw I have still yet to get alliance level 5 with any of my characters.

At least it should have been the first or second skill om the line, but 60k alliance points for just from 4-5 is insane.

I cant even Vmsa without Vigor please change this im not a pvper and probably never will be dont force me to play something i dont like

60k AP is 2 hours of pvp for a *** group, an hour for a decent one. And before you complain remember that it used to take 8 million AP to get it, but carebears are dead set on play The Casual Scrolls Online.

Bigevilpeter

if it used to be more doesnt mean its ok now, this is one of the most essentail skills and shouldnt behind a huge pvp barrier

Rohamad_Ali

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Vigor one of them most essential skills for stamina characters in both pve and pve and pvers like me are forced to pvp for days just to get it for every single stamina character I have, I just join a group and watch alliance points slowly coming up I keep failing miserably and btw I have still yet to get alliance level 5 with any of my characters.

At least it should have been the first or second skill om the line, but 60k alliance points for just from 4-5 is insane.

I cant even Vmsa without Vigor please change this im not a pvper and probably never will be dont force me to play something i dont like

60k AP is 2 hours of pvp for a *** group, an hour for a decent one. And before you complain remember that it used to take 8 million AP to get it, but carebears are dead set on play The Casual Scrolls Online.

This ^ . Took me 4 hours because I didn't group .

Taleof2Cities

AP towards the Alliance skill unlocks took a huge buff already ... afraid any more of a buff reduces the skill unlocks to a handout.

In addition, there are myriad other ways for stam users to restore health without vigor.

For someone that's doing competitive vMSA on a regular basis, level 5 in the Alliance War should not be difficult to achieve.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

There is always 2 handed if getting the AP is to hard for ya.

Ghost-Shot

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

if it used to be more doesnt mean its ok now, this is one of the most essentail skills and shouldnt behind a huge pvp barrier

It's not a huge barrier, we have already had everything we could earn in PVP handed out to carebears, stop trying to make it worse. You have rally for healing already as well as fantastic avoidance and mitigation options. If those aren't enough for you then get good or by all means PVP for vigor.

Smasherx74

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Vigor one of them most essential skills for stamina characters in both pve and pve and pvers like me are forced to pvp for days just to get it for every single stamina character I have, I just join a group and watch alliance points slowly coming up I keep failing miserably and btw I have still yet to get alliance level 5 with any of my characters.

At least it should have been the first or second skill om the line, but 60k alliance points for just from 4-5 is insane.

I cant even Vmsa without Vigor please change this im not a pvper and probably never will be dont force me to play something i dont like

You can get vigor, warhorn, in one day easily. Just run PUGs with strategy and you'll get a ton of ap.

Mac10murda

Takes a few hours to get

Judas Helviaryn

It's not a huge PVP barrier, it's two days of solo work tops, much less in a group. We need to stop homogenizing everything, oversimplification killed the mainstream gaming industry.

LadyNalcarya

Vigor barrier.
What's next? Mages guild barrier? Undaunted barrier? Fighters guild barrier? Need to click 2 times to launch the game barrier?
I'm sorry but all skills are easy to get now.

Bigevilpeter

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

There is always 2 handed if getting the AP is to hard for ya.

and lose so much dps beacuse i cant use a bow

Wollust

You sound so much like a carebear, I highly doubt vMSA is the right place for you. With or without vigor.

Aspi90

Just equip a resto and spam regeneration, even with a stam build.
Follow/join a zerg and get the defensive/offensive ticks. Vigor is really not a big deal to get.

Ghost-Shot

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

There is always 2 handed if getting the AP is to hard for ya.

and lose so much dps beacuse i cant use a bow

So to be clear, you want to put in no effort, and get max dps plus max heals? LOL, if your bow is that important run 2H/bow

Rex-Umbra

Just went into Cyrodiil at lvl 10 played for about 6 hours and unlocked the skill problem is i leveled too 20 and way above the story content.

rhapsodious

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

60k AP is 2 hours of pvp for a *** group, an hour for a decent one. And before you complain remember that it used to take 8 million AP to get it, but carebears are dead set on play The Casual Scrolls Online.

To be fair, 8 million AP for a character who didn't want to PVP is ridiculous (and didn't want to use 2H for Rally), so that being severely nerfed doesn't really bother me.

60k is really no big deal, though. Buy some siege with gold and participate in keep defense or offense. Flaming Oil costs AP but when you get a zerg who doesn't realize that oil is bad, you can make a ton of AP just dumping oil on their heads as they calmly stand right underneath it.

WillhelmBlack

A few days? It's a couple nights. Looks like you're preparing for VMSA, so you must be pretty good. Why not solo gank to get your AP? I'll be brutally honest, if you cba earning it, like PvP'ers have to to get gear, then you don't deserve it.

This separation between PvE'rs and PvP'rs is getting ridiculous, it's the same game you know. Go earn your stuffz.

Bigevilpeter

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

There is always 2 handed if getting the AP is to hard for ya.

and lose so much dps beacuse i cant use a bow

So to be clear, you want to put in no effort, and get max dps plus max heals? LOL, if your bow is that important run 2H/bow

I didnt say no effort, just dont want to be forced to pvp to get a skill which is essential for pve

Danksta

If you're scared to earn your skills then go repair keep walls or something.

Ghost-Shot

rhapsodious wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

60k AP is 2 hours of pvp for a *** group, an hour for a decent one. And before you complain remember that it used to take 8 million AP to get it, but carebears are dead set on play The Casual Scrolls Online.

To be fair, 8 million AP for a character who didn't want to PVP is ridiculous, so that being severely nerfed doesn't really bother me.

60k is really no big deal, though. Buy some siege with gold and participate in keep defense or offense. Flaming Oil costs AP but when you get a zerg who doesn't realize that oil is bad, you can make a ton of AP just dumping oil on their heads as they calmly stand right underneath it.

And when they originally moved it to rank 5 it was kind of annoying but I felt it was reasonable. But Then when they lowered the AP so much for assault/support ranks and people still complain that it takes too long...unbelievable.

LadyNalcarya

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

There is always 2 handed if getting the AP is to hard for ya.

and lose so much dps beacuse i cant use a bow

So to be clear, you want to put in no effort, and get max dps plus max heals? LOL, if your bow is that important run 2H/bow

I didnt say no effort, just dont want to be forced to pvp to get a skill which is essential for pve

Pvpers are forced to do some pve tho, if they want undaunted passives.

Ghost-Shot

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

There is always 2 handed if getting the AP is to hard for ya.

and lose so much dps beacuse i cant use a bow

So to be clear, you want to put in no effort, and get max dps plus max heals? LOL, if your bow is that important run 2H/bow

I didnt say no effort, just dont want to be forced to pvp to get a skill which is essential for pve

It's not essential, every single piece of PVE content in this game can be done without it, it just makes things easier.

Ghost-Shot

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

There is always 2 handed if getting the AP is to hard for ya.

and lose so much dps beacuse i cant use a bow

So to be clear, you want to put in no effort, and get max dps plus max heals? LOL, if your bow is that important run 2H/bow

I didnt say no effort, just dont want to be forced to pvp to get a skill which is essential for pve

Pvpers are forced to do some pve tho, if they want undaunted passives.

^

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

There is always 2 handed if getting the AP is to hard for ya.

and lose so much dps beacuse i cant use a bow

So to be clear, you want to put in no effort, and get max dps plus max heals? LOL, if your bow is that important run 2H/bow

I didnt say no effort, just dont want to be forced to pvp to get a skill which is essential for pve

Which pve?

Bigevilpeter

why the heck would you want something to take too long? it doesnt reflect any skill its just shows how many hours you wasted.

Ghost-Shot

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

why the heck would you want something to take too long? it doesnt reflect any skill its just shows how many hours you wasted.

It does reflect skill, getting more solo kills will get you more AP than waiting for a wall to repair or zerg surfing. Its about retaining something to achieve while playing, idk why carebears cant seem to understand that pvp'rs want things to progress towards too.

rhapsodious

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

rhapsodious wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

60k AP is 2 hours of pvp for a *** group, an hour for a decent one. And before you complain remember that it used to take 8 million AP to get it, but carebears are dead set on play The Casual Scrolls Online.

To be fair, 8 million AP for a character who didn't want to PVP is ridiculous, so that being severely nerfed doesn't really bother me.

60k is really no big deal, though. Buy some siege with gold and participate in keep defense or offense. Flaming Oil costs AP but when you get a zerg who doesn't realize that oil is bad, you can make a ton of AP just dumping oil on their heads as they calmly stand right underneath it.

And when they originally moved it to rank 5 it was kind of annoying but I felt it was reasonable. But Then when they lowered the AP so much for assault/support ranks and people still complain that it takes too long...unbelievable.

Right. I think as it is right now is a good place. Those who want to GTFO of PVP as fast as possible can do their time in a few hours (and maybe change their mind... personally, I think the game is best enjoyed with both aspects, but I understand some people just really want one or the other).

Oh yeah, keep walls! You can do that too. Buy the repair kits with gold (or the AP if you intend on never using it, I guess) and you can just jump from keep to keep and repair any walls that need repairing. You'll be helping your alliance out and don't even need to fight.

Zerok

Yeah it can be a pain when you don't know how to efficiently get AP.

As mainly a PvE player, here are the tips I can give you:
- When you first enter Cyro, get inside a delve and kill a boss there. This will increase your AP gain for 1 hour.
- Have on yourself at all time at least 2 stone trebuchets, 2 fire ballistas, 2 meatbag catapults and 2 flaming oil.
- Defending is the easiest way to get AP. Look at the map and/or the zone chat and make a run for any fort of your faction that is under attack.
- Siege weapons are your best friend when it comes to defending a fort. Deploy them as frequently as possible, especially when defending against large enemy groups.
- Stay a few minutes after the fighting ends to get the defensive tick.
- When nothing's happening, repair forts. Be sure you have the AP bonus from killing a delve boss if you do so.

I found that I made more AP playing solo that way than playing with big PUGs. However, if you want to go on the offense, it's better to join a group or, at least, follow a group. Also, it should be noted that the offensive tick is instantaneous (right when the fort flips) contrary to the defensive tick.

Hope that helps.

Judas Helviaryn

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

why the heck would you want something to take too long? it doesnt reflect any skill its just shows how many hours you wasted.

It's not a waste of time if you enjoy the game. Maybe you should address why you don't enjoy PVP.