The Vigor barrier!!

DisgracefulMind

It's 90k AP to get...

Seriously stop whining.

stevenbennett_ESO

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

why the heck would you want something to take too long? it doesnt reflect any skill its just shows how many hours you wasted.

It's not a waste of time if you enjoy the game. Maybe you should address why you don't enjoy PVP.

too chaotic, almost zero time to react once ambushed and extreemly laggy and buggy. also to expensive to get good pvp gear.

good enough reasons

The community disagrees with your reasons. Just scroll up.

I'm sorry the game is too hard for you, maybe you could find your own niche in another.

Oh, and VMA is nothing, if not chaotic, laggy, and expensive to run.

Now see, this is a classic example of the PvP elitism which pisses the hell out of PvE players around here - you assume the "community" are all PvPers, and that people who don't have the skills and mindset for PvP should go elsewhere. Sorry, but no.

I'll sum up my own reason I don't enjoy PvP in one easy to understand statement: "I don't like killing other players, or being killed by them." PvP simply has no interest for me -- I honestly don't understand the point of it in the first place, but I'm willing to accept that other people have fun with it.

Is that not enough reason for me not to like PvP? This game has *SO* much more to offer a player than killing other players - it has story, conflict, adventure, exploration - you don't have to have an interest in PvP to enjoy it. But again, if that's what floats your boat, go for it -- I'm fine with you not having to do PvE stuff to enjoy your PvP fix.

I *do* get the sentiment of the original poster. As a PvE player who has spent dozens of hours in Cyrodiil and IC with different characters, and not seen much AP out of it (certainly not enough to get Vigor on any of my characters), I feel the frustration. Learning enough about how to do PvP even remotely successfully is an exercise in frustration -- those of you saying "oh, it just takes a few hours" to rack up that many AP are assuming we already know how to do PvP and know how earning AP in Cyrodiil works, and most of the time when we ask for advice it boils down to "Learn to Play" -- really helpful. Not.

Fortunately, there are enough people on this forum who aren't as close minded -- my sincere thanks to @Zerok for one of the few constructive answers on this thread on how to approach getting AP for a PvE oriented player. I may have to give that a shot.

phreatophile

Just did it on one of my characters, not looking forward to the next one.

It sucks, but it doesn't take that long. BTW, if you are thinking of Maelstrom or trials, stick it out for caltrops. Approx 1000 dps over a huge area with almost double on the 1st tick is nice to have.

The advice from the very few who have been constructive is pretty good.

Kill a delve Boss for the AP boost, try to always keep this up. Don't miss a defense tick for it, but try to always have the bonus active.

Repair walls

Use siege in keep defense.

Stay for defense ticks. When you join a mega group and defend a keep, DO NOT listen when they tell you right after the fight is over to go push the resources. They are getting you out of the way to get themselves a larger defense tick when it finally happens, in other words farming their own alliance and group for AP. Defense ticks can be in the tens of thousands for a big fight or they can be a measly 900AP. Don't walk away from them.

Eirikir

OdinForge wrote: »

Vigor takes like a few days to unlock these days, it used to take months or almost a year depending on how much AP you got.

The first world problems these days.

I used a fresh lv 40 with zero pvp as a test a few weeks ago when one of these thread popped up. I had Vigor in 6 hours.

Judas Helviaryn

stevenbennett_ESO wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

why the heck would you want something to take too long? it doesnt reflect any skill its just shows how many hours you wasted.

It's not a waste of time if you enjoy the game. Maybe you should address why you don't enjoy PVP.

too chaotic, almost zero time to react once ambushed and extreemly laggy and buggy. also to expensive to get good pvp gear.

good enough reasons

The community disagrees with your reasons. Just scroll up.

I'm sorry the game is too hard for you, maybe you could find your own niche in another.

Oh, and VMA is nothing, if not chaotic, laggy, and expensive to run.

Now see, this is a classic example of the PvP elitism which pisses the hell out of PvE players around here - you assume the "community" are all PvPers, and that people who don't have the skills and mindset for PvP should go elsewhere. Sorry, but no.

I'll sum up my own reason I don't enjoy PvP in one easy to understand statement: "I don't like killing other players, or being killed by them." PvP simply has no interest for me -- I honestly don't understand the point of it in the first place, but I'm willing to accept that other people have fun with it.

Is that not enough reason for me not to like PvP? This game has *SO* much more to offer a player than killing other players - it has story, conflict, adventure, exploration - you don't have to have an interest in PvP to enjoy it. But again, if that's what floats your boat, go for it -- I'm fine with you not having to do PvE stuff to enjoy your PvP fix.

I *do* get the sentiment of the original poster. As a PvE player who has spent dozens of hours in Cyrodiil and IC with different characters, and not seen much AP out of it (certainly not enough to get Vigor on any of my characters), I feel the frustration. Learning enough about how to do PvP even remotely successfully is an exercise in frustration -- those of you saying "oh, it just takes a few hours" to rack up that many AP are assuming we already know how to do PvP and know how earning AP in Cyrodiil works, and most of the time when we ask for advice it boils down to "Learn to Play" -- really helpful. Not.

Fortunately, there are enough people on this forum who aren't as close minded -- my sincere thanks to @Zerok for one of the few constructive answers on this thread on how to approach getting AP for a PvE oriented player. I may have to give that a shot.

Buddy, you have put a lot of words in my mouth. Don't try and skew what I said.

If you want something bad enough, suck it up and earn it. We don't need to simplify the game any more than it already is.

Me.. Elitist. If only you knew.

FleetwoodSmack

People conveniently forget that there are other ways of earning AP aside from killing players. Astounding. Simply astounding.

waterfairy

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Vigor one of them most essential skills for stamina characters in both pve and pve and pvers like me are forced to pvp for days just to get it for every single stamina character I have, I just join a group and watch alliance points slowly coming up I keep failing miserably and btw I have still yet to get alliance level 5 with any of my characters.

At least it should have been the first or second skill om the line, but 60k alliance points for just from 4-5 is insane.

I cant even Vmsa without Vigor please change this im not a pvper and probably never will be dont force me to play something i dont like

60k AP is 2 hours of pvp for a *** group, an hour for a decent one. And before you complain remember that it used to take 8 million AP to get it, but carebears are dead set on play The Casual Scrolls Online.

This ^ . Took me 4 hours because I didn't group .

4 hours of what exactly? I tried PvP just to earn AP for vigor and didn't have success solo. I tried solo quests, got killed by players there, tried attacking a fort with a couple randoms, got killed and spawned so far away that the battle was done by the time I got back (the distance is my biggest gripe with PvP).

cjthibs

stevenbennett_ESO wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

why the heck would you want something to take too long? it doesnt reflect any skill its just shows how many hours you wasted.

It's not a waste of time if you enjoy the game. Maybe you should address why you don't enjoy PVP.

too chaotic, almost zero time to react once ambushed and extreemly laggy and buggy. also to expensive to get good pvp gear.

good enough reasons

The community disagrees with your reasons. Just scroll up.

I'm sorry the game is too hard for you, maybe you could find your own niche in another.

Oh, and VMA is nothing, if not chaotic, laggy, and expensive to run.

Now see, this is a classic example of the PvP elitism which pisses the hell out of PvE players around here - you assume the "community" are all PvPers, and that people who don't have the skills and mindset for PvP should go elsewhere. Sorry, but no.

I'll sum up my own reason I don't enjoy PvP in one easy to understand statement: "I don't like killing other players, or being killed by them." PvP simply has no interest for me -- I honestly don't understand the point of it in the first place, but I'm willing to accept that other people have fun with it.

Is that not enough reason for me not to like PvP? This game has *SO* much more to offer a player than killing other players - it has story, conflict, adventure, exploration - you don't have to have an interest in PvP to enjoy it. But again, if that's what floats your boat, go for it -- I'm fine with you not having to do PvE stuff to enjoy your PvP fix.

I *do* get the sentiment of the original poster. As a PvE player who has spent dozens of hours in Cyrodiil and IC with different characters, and not seen much AP out of it (certainly not enough to get Vigor on any of my characters), I feel the frustration. Learning enough about how to do PvP even remotely successfully is an exercise in frustration -- those of you saying "oh, it just takes a few hours" to rack up that many AP are assuming we already know how to do PvP and know how earning AP in Cyrodiil works, and most of the time when we ask for advice it boils down to "Learn to Play" -- really helpful. Not.

Fortunately, there are enough people on this forum who aren't as close minded -- my sincere thanks to @Zerok for one of the few constructive answers on this thread on how to approach getting AP for a PvE oriented player. I may have to give that a shot.

You read about 600 more words than he wrote, because he hurt your precious feels.

Read it again, objectively.

He said PvP can be difficult and frustrating, but that vMA is more difficult and frustrating.

In the time that this guy spent whining on the forum he could've earned that AP while barely doing any actual PvP.
Equip a resto staff, and spam spam spam in a group. Done.

Unsent.Soul

I think the majority of pve players are just scared of dying. It happens...

They die once or twice then here they come, thread after thread of how pvp players are elitist, ***, stuck up, etc...etc..

cjthibs

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

I think the majority of pve players are just scared of dying. It happens...

They die once or twice then here they come, thread after thread of how pvp players are elitist, ***, stuck up, etc...etc..

While those of us with tougher hides laugh, compare notes with our buddies and can't wait to jump right back into another potentially fun fight.

stevenbennett_ESO

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

stevenbennett_ESO wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

why the heck would you want something to take too long? it doesnt reflect any skill its just shows how many hours you wasted.

It's not a waste of time if you enjoy the game. Maybe you should address why you don't enjoy PVP.

too chaotic, almost zero time to react once ambushed and extreemly laggy and buggy. also to expensive to get good pvp gear.

good enough reasons

The community disagrees with your reasons. Just scroll up.

I'm sorry the game is too hard for you, maybe you could find your own niche in another.

Oh, and VMA is nothing, if not chaotic, laggy, and expensive to run.

Now see, this is a classic example of the PvP elitism which pisses the hell out of PvE players around here - you assume the "community" are all PvPers, and that people who don't have the skills and mindset for PvP should go elsewhere. Sorry, but no.

I'll sum up my own reason I don't enjoy PvP in one easy to understand statement: "I don't like killing other players, or being killed by them." PvP simply has no interest for me -- I honestly don't understand the point of it in the first place, but I'm willing to accept that other people have fun with it.

Is that not enough reason for me not to like PvP? This game has *SO* much more to offer a player than killing other players - it has story, conflict, adventure, exploration - you don't have to have an interest in PvP to enjoy it. But again, if that's what floats your boat, go for it -- I'm fine with you not having to do PvE stuff to enjoy your PvP fix.

I *do* get the sentiment of the original poster. As a PvE player who has spent dozens of hours in Cyrodiil and IC with different characters, and not seen much AP out of it (certainly not enough to get Vigor on any of my characters), I feel the frustration. Learning enough about how to do PvP even remotely successfully is an exercise in frustration -- those of you saying "oh, it just takes a few hours" to rack up that many AP are assuming we already know how to do PvP and know how earning AP in Cyrodiil works, and most of the time when we ask for advice it boils down to "Learn to Play" -- really helpful. Not.

Fortunately, there are enough people on this forum who aren't as close minded -- my sincere thanks to @Zerok for one of the few constructive answers on this thread on how to approach getting AP for a PvE oriented player. I may have to give that a shot.

Buddy, you have put a lot of words in my mouth. Don't try and skew what I said.

If you want something bad enough, suck it up and earn it. We don't need to simplify the game any more than it already is.

Me.. Elitist. If only you knew.

You didn't say "The community disagrees with your reasons. Just scroll up."? There is a LOT more to the community than the PvPers who posted in this thread.

You didn't say "I'm sorry the game is too hard for you, maybe you could find your own niche in another?" Perhaps that wasn't suggesting that he go find a different game because he's having trouble with the PvP requirements of this one?

And you didn't post a "You are not prepared" image?

If you didn't, my apologies. If you *did* in fact, do all those things, then yes, I stand by the first paragraph of my response, which is really the only thing which was pointed specifically at you. In looking at your other comments in other threads, I may have been too hasty with my suggestion of elitism, but in *this* particular thread, everything you posted, including your final comment to "suck it up and earn it", smacks of elitism. Perhaps that wasn't your intent -- if so, you might want to take a step back and look in the mirror.

SleepyTroll

If you want vigor I want the undaunted passive.

Judas Helviaryn

stevenbennett_ESO wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

stevenbennett_ESO wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

why the heck would you want something to take too long? it doesnt reflect any skill its just shows how many hours you wasted.

It's not a waste of time if you enjoy the game. Maybe you should address why you don't enjoy PVP.

too chaotic, almost zero time to react once ambushed and extreemly laggy and buggy. also to expensive to get good pvp gear.

good enough reasons

The community disagrees with your reasons. Just scroll up.

I'm sorry the game is too hard for you, maybe you could find your own niche in another.

Oh, and VMA is nothing, if not chaotic, laggy, and expensive to run.

Now see, this is a classic example of the PvP elitism which pisses the hell out of PvE players around here - you assume the "community" are all PvPers, and that people who don't have the skills and mindset for PvP should go elsewhere. Sorry, but no.

I'll sum up my own reason I don't enjoy PvP in one easy to understand statement: "I don't like killing other players, or being killed by them." PvP simply has no interest for me -- I honestly don't understand the point of it in the first place, but I'm willing to accept that other people have fun with it.

Is that not enough reason for me not to like PvP? This game has *SO* much more to offer a player than killing other players - it has story, conflict, adventure, exploration - you don't have to have an interest in PvP to enjoy it. But again, if that's what floats your boat, go for it -- I'm fine with you not having to do PvE stuff to enjoy your PvP fix.

I *do* get the sentiment of the original poster. As a PvE player who has spent dozens of hours in Cyrodiil and IC with different characters, and not seen much AP out of it (certainly not enough to get Vigor on any of my characters), I feel the frustration. Learning enough about how to do PvP even remotely successfully is an exercise in frustration -- those of you saying "oh, it just takes a few hours" to rack up that many AP are assuming we already know how to do PvP and know how earning AP in Cyrodiil works, and most of the time when we ask for advice it boils down to "Learn to Play" -- really helpful. Not.

Fortunately, there are enough people on this forum who aren't as close minded -- my sincere thanks to @Zerok for one of the few constructive answers on this thread on how to approach getting AP for a PvE oriented player. I may have to give that a shot.

Buddy, you have put a lot of words in my mouth. Don't try and skew what I said.

If you want something bad enough, suck it up and earn it. We don't need to simplify the game any more than it already is.

Me.. Elitist. If only you knew.

You didn't say "The community disagrees with your reasons. Just scroll up."? There is a LOT more to the community than the PvPers who posted in this thread.

You didn't say "I'm sorry the game is too hard for you, maybe you could find your own niche in another?" Perhaps that wasn't suggesting that he go find a different game because he's having trouble with the PvP requirements of this one?

And you didn't post a "You are not prepared" image?

If you didn't, my apologies. If you *did* in fact, do all those things, then yes, I stand by the first paragraph of my response, which is really the only thing which was pointed specifically at you. In looking at your other comments in other threads, I may have been too hasty with my suggestion of elitism, but in *this* particular thread, everything you posted, including your final comment to "suck it up and earn it", smacks of elitism. Perhaps that wasn't your intent -- if so, you might want to take a step back and look in the mirror.

So at this point in time in our lives, earning something and expecting others to do the same if they want it is now elitism.

Here, I'll hold the mirror for you.

Lore_lai

Awww...here I thought this was a thread proposing some kind of mini-barrier to pop on you when you use vigor.

stevenbennett_ESO

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

stevenbennett_ESO wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

stevenbennett_ESO wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

why the heck would you want something to take too long? it doesnt reflect any skill its just shows how many hours you wasted.

It's not a waste of time if you enjoy the game. Maybe you should address why you don't enjoy PVP.

too chaotic, almost zero time to react once ambushed and extreemly laggy and buggy. also to expensive to get good pvp gear.

good enough reasons

The community disagrees with your reasons. Just scroll up.

I'm sorry the game is too hard for you, maybe you could find your own niche in another.

Oh, and VMA is nothing, if not chaotic, laggy, and expensive to run.

Now see, this is a classic example of the PvP elitism which pisses the hell out of PvE players around here - you assume the "community" are all PvPers, and that people who don't have the skills and mindset for PvP should go elsewhere. Sorry, but no.

I'll sum up my own reason I don't enjoy PvP in one easy to understand statement: "I don't like killing other players, or being killed by them." PvP simply has no interest for me -- I honestly don't understand the point of it in the first place, but I'm willing to accept that other people have fun with it.

Is that not enough reason for me not to like PvP? This game has *SO* much more to offer a player than killing other players - it has story, conflict, adventure, exploration - you don't have to have an interest in PvP to enjoy it. But again, if that's what floats your boat, go for it -- I'm fine with you not having to do PvE stuff to enjoy your PvP fix.

I *do* get the sentiment of the original poster. As a PvE player who has spent dozens of hours in Cyrodiil and IC with different characters, and not seen much AP out of it (certainly not enough to get Vigor on any of my characters), I feel the frustration. Learning enough about how to do PvP even remotely successfully is an exercise in frustration -- those of you saying "oh, it just takes a few hours" to rack up that many AP are assuming we already know how to do PvP and know how earning AP in Cyrodiil works, and most of the time when we ask for advice it boils down to "Learn to Play" -- really helpful. Not.

Fortunately, there are enough people on this forum who aren't as close minded -- my sincere thanks to @Zerok for one of the few constructive answers on this thread on how to approach getting AP for a PvE oriented player. I may have to give that a shot.

Buddy, you have put a lot of words in my mouth. Don't try and skew what I said.

If you want something bad enough, suck it up and earn it. We don't need to simplify the game any more than it already is.

Me.. Elitist. If only you knew.

You didn't say "The community disagrees with your reasons. Just scroll up."? There is a LOT more to the community than the PvPers who posted in this thread.

You didn't say "I'm sorry the game is too hard for you, maybe you could find your own niche in another?" Perhaps that wasn't suggesting that he go find a different game because he's having trouble with the PvP requirements of this one?

And you didn't post a "You are not prepared" image?

If you didn't, my apologies. If you *did* in fact, do all those things, then yes, I stand by the first paragraph of my response, which is really the only thing which was pointed specifically at you. In looking at your other comments in other threads, I may have been too hasty with my suggestion of elitism, but in *this* particular thread, everything you posted, including your final comment to "suck it up and earn it", smacks of elitism. Perhaps that wasn't your intent -- if so, you might want to take a step back and look in the mirror.

So at this point in time in our lives, earning something and expecting others to do the same if they want it is now elitism.

Here, I'll hold the mirror for you.

No, that's not elitism. Speaking down to someone and giving them unhelpful advice to "suck it up", or to go find another game, instead of providing constructive criticism, *is*.

FleetwoodSmack

FleetwoodSmack

stevenbennett_ESO wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

stevenbennett_ESO wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

stevenbennett_ESO wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

why the heck would you want something to take too long? it doesnt reflect any skill its just shows how many hours you wasted.

It's not a waste of time if you enjoy the game. Maybe you should address why you don't enjoy PVP.

too chaotic, almost zero time to react once ambushed and extreemly laggy and buggy. also to expensive to get good pvp gear.

good enough reasons

The community disagrees with your reasons. Just scroll up.

I'm sorry the game is too hard for you, maybe you could find your own niche in another.

Oh, and VMA is nothing, if not chaotic, laggy, and expensive to run.

Now see, this is a classic example of the PvP elitism which pisses the hell out of PvE players around here - you assume the "community" are all PvPers, and that people who don't have the skills and mindset for PvP should go elsewhere. Sorry, but no.

I'll sum up my own reason I don't enjoy PvP in one easy to understand statement: "I don't like killing other players, or being killed by them." PvP simply has no interest for me -- I honestly don't understand the point of it in the first place, but I'm willing to accept that other people have fun with it.

Is that not enough reason for me not to like PvP? This game has *SO* much more to offer a player than killing other players - it has story, conflict, adventure, exploration - you don't have to have an interest in PvP to enjoy it. But again, if that's what floats your boat, go for it -- I'm fine with you not having to do PvE stuff to enjoy your PvP fix.

I *do* get the sentiment of the original poster. As a PvE player who has spent dozens of hours in Cyrodiil and IC with different characters, and not seen much AP out of it (certainly not enough to get Vigor on any of my characters), I feel the frustration. Learning enough about how to do PvP even remotely successfully is an exercise in frustration -- those of you saying "oh, it just takes a few hours" to rack up that many AP are assuming we already know how to do PvP and know how earning AP in Cyrodiil works, and most of the time when we ask for advice it boils down to "Learn to Play" -- really helpful. Not.

Fortunately, there are enough people on this forum who aren't as close minded -- my sincere thanks to @Zerok for one of the few constructive answers on this thread on how to approach getting AP for a PvE oriented player. I may have to give that a shot.

Buddy, you have put a lot of words in my mouth. Don't try and skew what I said.

If you want something bad enough, suck it up and earn it. We don't need to simplify the game any more than it already is.

Me.. Elitist. If only you knew.

You didn't say "The community disagrees with your reasons. Just scroll up."? There is a LOT more to the community than the PvPers who posted in this thread.

You didn't say "I'm sorry the game is too hard for you, maybe you could find your own niche in another?" Perhaps that wasn't suggesting that he go find a different game because he's having trouble with the PvP requirements of this one?

And you didn't post a "You are not prepared" image?

If you didn't, my apologies. If you *did* in fact, do all those things, then yes, I stand by the first paragraph of my response, which is really the only thing which was pointed specifically at you. In looking at your other comments in other threads, I may have been too hasty with my suggestion of elitism, but in *this* particular thread, everything you posted, including your final comment to "suck it up and earn it", smacks of elitism. Perhaps that wasn't your intent -- if so, you might want to take a step back and look in the mirror.

So at this point in time in our lives, earning something and expecting others to do the same if they want it is now elitism.

Here, I'll hold the mirror for you.

No, that's not elitism. Speaking down to someone and giving them unhelpful advice to "suck it up", or to go find another game, instead of providing constructive criticism, *is*.

Are we even reading the same thread? There's plenty that -has- been said that was constructive in ways to get Vigor without PvPing another player. Just because he's not willing to take the time to get it doesn't make us 'elitist'.

Tylersoh

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

There is always 2 handed if getting the AP is to hard for ya.

and lose so much dps beacuse i cant use a bow

So to be clear, you want to put in no effort, and get max dps plus max heals? LOL, if your bow is that important run 2H/bow

I didnt say no effort, just dont want to be forced to pvp to get a skill which is essential for pve

You don't have to pvp, just go to bases and repair stuff and you'll earn AP. Won't even have to fight

Rosveen

It's doable, but god, it feels like such a miserable grind. And not because it's long, just because PvP isn't fun at all when you go into it with a char who's completely unprepared, never PvPed in their entire existence and keeps getting killed if someone sneezes in their general direction. Also the campaign is full of disorganized zergers. I'm just spamming heals and siege to unlock my skills and get out of there as soon as I can. If you say it's doable in 4 hours, you're completely out of touch with the perspective of the average PvEer without PvP experience.

Qyrk

What? Someone don't want to put in the work to get a skill? Must be hard life he's got

Bdawwg

Jaiden wrote: »

Go find a big battle, throw caltrops on the enemy......easy AP.

Lol throw caltrops on the enemy on your quest to unlock vigor

Unsent.Soul

stevenbennett_ESO wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

stevenbennett_ESO wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

stevenbennett_ESO wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

why the heck would you want something to take too long? it doesnt reflect any skill its just shows how many hours you wasted.

It's not a waste of time if you enjoy the game. Maybe you should address why you don't enjoy PVP.

too chaotic, almost zero time to react once ambushed and extreemly laggy and buggy. also to expensive to get good pvp gear.

good enough reasons

The community disagrees with your reasons. Just scroll up.

I'm sorry the game is too hard for you, maybe you could find your own niche in another.

Oh, and VMA is nothing, if not chaotic, laggy, and expensive to run.

Now see, this is a classic example of the PvP elitism which pisses the hell out of PvE players around here - you assume the "community" are all PvPers, and that people who don't have the skills and mindset for PvP should go elsewhere. Sorry, but no.

I'll sum up my own reason I don't enjoy PvP in one easy to understand statement: "I don't like killing other players, or being killed by them." PvP simply has no interest for me -- I honestly don't understand the point of it in the first place, but I'm willing to accept that other people have fun with it.

Is that not enough reason for me not to like PvP? This game has *SO* much more to offer a player than killing other players - it has story, conflict, adventure, exploration - you don't have to have an interest in PvP to enjoy it. But again, if that's what floats your boat, go for it -- I'm fine with you not having to do PvE stuff to enjoy your PvP fix.

I *do* get the sentiment of the original poster. As a PvE player who has spent dozens of hours in Cyrodiil and IC with different characters, and not seen much AP out of it (certainly not enough to get Vigor on any of my characters), I feel the frustration. Learning enough about how to do PvP even remotely successfully is an exercise in frustration -- those of you saying "oh, it just takes a few hours" to rack up that many AP are assuming we already know how to do PvP and know how earning AP in Cyrodiil works, and most of the time when we ask for advice it boils down to "Learn to Play" -- really helpful. Not.

Fortunately, there are enough people on this forum who aren't as close minded -- my sincere thanks to @Zerok for one of the few constructive answers on this thread on how to approach getting AP for a PvE oriented player. I may have to give that a shot.

Buddy, you have put a lot of words in my mouth. Don't try and skew what I said.

If you want something bad enough, suck it up and earn it. We don't need to simplify the game any more than it already is.

Me.. Elitist. If only you knew.

You didn't say "The community disagrees with your reasons. Just scroll up."? There is a LOT more to the community than the PvPers who posted in this thread.

You didn't say "I'm sorry the game is too hard for you, maybe you could find your own niche in another?" Perhaps that wasn't suggesting that he go find a different game because he's having trouble with the PvP requirements of this one?

And you didn't post a "You are not prepared" image?

If you didn't, my apologies. If you *did* in fact, do all those things, then yes, I stand by the first paragraph of my response, which is really the only thing which was pointed specifically at you. In looking at your other comments in other threads, I may have been too hasty with my suggestion of elitism, but in *this* particular thread, everything you posted, including your final comment to "suck it up and earn it", smacks of elitism. Perhaps that wasn't your intent -- if so, you might want to take a step back and look in the mirror.

So at this point in time in our lives, earning something and expecting others to do the same if they want it is now elitism.

Here, I'll hold the mirror for you.

No, that's not elitism. Speaking down to someone and giving them unhelpful advice to "suck it up", or to go find another game, instead of providing constructive criticism, *is*.

Thats not elitism at all. Are you sure you even know what you're talking about? This topic has been beaten to death for a year now. After a year do you expect people to still care about others whining about NOT being able to get vigor?

Those of us that wanted/needed it, unlocked it. If ZOS was like the US govt. Then vigor would just be handed out to the people that would rather just sit on their butts with their hands out.

GrumpyDuckling

I'm shocked by the amount of people giving the OP a hard time about this thread. There's no reason that Vigor shouldn't also be accessible through gaining XP in PVE.

Just because it doesn't take as long to get Vigor now compared to "back in our day," doesn't mean the OP should be getting bashed for it. It's a legitimate complaint that ZOS forces players to play a game mode they don't want to play.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

I'm shocked by the amount of people giving the OP a hard time about this thread. There's no reason that Vigor shouldn't also be accessible through gaining XP in PVE.

Just because it doesn't take as long to get Vigor now compared to "back in our day," doesn't mean the OP should be getting bashed for it. It's a legitimate complaint that ZOS forces players to play a game mode they don't want to play.

I think most of it comes from the fact that pvpers need to grind out pve for things as well. So most feel if I have to do something i dont like to compete in something i do like, then so should you.

GrumpyDuckling

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

I'm shocked by the amount of people giving the OP a hard time about this thread. There's no reason that Vigor shouldn't also be accessible through gaining XP in PVE.

Just because it doesn't take as long to get Vigor now compared to "back in our day," doesn't mean the OP should be getting bashed for it. It's a legitimate complaint that ZOS forces players to play a game mode they don't want to play.

I think most of it comes from the fact that pvpers need to grind out pve for things as well. So most feel if I have to do something i dont like to compete in something i do like, then so should you.

If that's their logic, then they shouldn't bash the OP, they should make a legitimate claim for PVP-centered XP and being able to unlock skills through PVP means.

Kelces

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

I think the majority of pve players are just scared of dying. It happens...

They die once or twice then here they come, thread after thread of how pvp players are elitist, ***, stuck up, etc...etc..

Indeed. Once I realized, that fighting or even dying in fights against players doesn't damage your armor, it really lightened up my mood in comparison to PvE. It encouraged me to do things, I would never do in PvE, because of the worries there about repair costs.

Essentially, there is nothing to lose, except perhaps some initial investment of gold for your first repair kits and fire ballistas. From then on, if you get a feel for it, the points just keep flowing. Well, at least compared to PvE content, where it isn't really sure, if your investment there will pay off...

Rosveen wrote: »

If you say it's doable in 4 hours, you're completely out of touch with the perspective of the average PvEer without PvP experience.

As if all PvP players were born as such.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

I'm shocked by the amount of people giving the OP a hard time about this thread. There's no reason that Vigor shouldn't also be accessible through gaining XP in PVE.

Just because it doesn't take as long to get Vigor now compared to "back in our day," doesn't mean the OP should be getting bashed for it. It's a legitimate complaint that ZOS forces players to play a game mode they don't want to play.

I think most of it comes from the fact that pvpers need to grind out pve for things as well. So most feel if I have to do something i dont like to compete in something i do like, then so should you.

If that's their logic, then they shouldn't bash the OP, they should make a legitimate claim for PVP-centered XP and being able to unlock skills through PVP means.

Unless they think it is fair that both have to do something they dont like.

Brrrofski

It took me 4 hours on a level 10 running solo to get it.

Just buy bricks and fix everything if you don't like PvPing.

If you want go get it easier, just stick a resto on your back bar and spam heals

GrumpyDuckling

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

I'm shocked by the amount of people giving the OP a hard time about this thread. There's no reason that Vigor shouldn't also be accessible through gaining XP in PVE.

Just because it doesn't take as long to get Vigor now compared to "back in our day," doesn't mean the OP should be getting bashed for it. It's a legitimate complaint that ZOS forces players to play a game mode they don't want to play.

I think most of it comes from the fact that pvpers need to grind out pve for things as well. So most feel if I have to do something i dont like to compete in something i do like, then so should you.

If that's their logic, then they shouldn't bash the OP, they should make a legitimate claim for PVP-centered XP and being able to unlock skills through PVP means.

Unless they think it is fair that both have to do something they dont like.

Not sure why they'd prefer to do something they don't like and insist that others drudge through a similar circumstance rather than advocate for positive changes. Maybe that's too logical for most, though. Easier to drag others down than promote positive change for everyone.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

I'm shocked by the amount of people giving the OP a hard time about this thread. There's no reason that Vigor shouldn't also be accessible through gaining XP in PVE.

Just because it doesn't take as long to get Vigor now compared to "back in our day," doesn't mean the OP should be getting bashed for it. It's a legitimate complaint that ZOS forces players to play a game mode they don't want to play.

I think most of it comes from the fact that pvpers need to grind out pve for things as well. So most feel if I have to do something i dont like to compete in something i do like, then so should you.

If that's their logic, then they shouldn't bash the OP, they should make a legitimate claim for PVP-centered XP and being able to unlock skills through PVP means.

Unless they think it is fair that both have to do something they dont like.

Not sure why they'd prefer to do something they don't like and insist that others drudge through a similar circumstance rather than advocate for positive changes. Maybe that's too logical for most, though. Easier to drag others down than promote positive change for everyone.

I would think most people who play games are use to it. In lots of games there is something dumb you have to do to get to something you do like to do. Oh hey do this mini game... FU final fantasy!!!