The Vigor barrier!!

Ghost-Shot

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

why the heck would you want something to take too long? it doesnt reflect any skill its just shows how many hours you wasted.

It's not a waste of time if you enjoy the game. Maybe you should address why you don't enjoy PVP.

When I start being handed malestrom weapons we can talk about handing out PVP skills.

Judas Helviaryn

Honestly, they shouldn't have even put the monster equipment in a gold and AP vendor. That's one less thing to earn, given enough time. All this kind of talk does is dumb down the game and make it less enjoyable for the people who play the game to.. well.. play the game.

Don't beg, don't steal, just earn your keep.

LadyNalcarya

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

why the heck would you want something to take too long? it doesnt reflect any skill its just shows how many hours you wasted.

Well, youre about to start vMA grind which is arguably the biggest time sink in game...

Totalitarian

I'm not a great PVPer, so I earned Caltrops on a stamina character in about 16 hours total.

I basically used my Templar Spear to fling people off of the edges of keeps XD

and then running into enemy zergs with random groups and spamming Steel Tornado.

Sometimes it's a bit slow, but once you get going, not too bad.

Lieblingsjunge

"Don't force me to play something I don't like" => I don't like grinding my ass off in MoL, AA or HR, pls let me get every gear-set for free,I don't like doing it!

Getting Vigour takes no time, anyway. If it was the old Alliance Point-Ranks, then you MAYBE had a reason to complain. Now? Nope, no reason at all. It's a good way for you to explore te entire game, anyway.

Bigevilpeter

Zerok wrote: »

Yeah it can be a pain when you don't know how to efficiently get AP.

As mainly a PvE player, here are the tips I can give you:
- When you first enter Cyro, get inside a delve and kill a boss there. This will increase your AP gain for 1 hour.
- Have on yourself at all time at least 2 stone trebuchets, 2 fire ballistas, 2 meatbag catapults and 2 flaming oil.
- Defending is the easiest way to get AP. Look at the map and/or the zone chat and make a run for any fort of your faction that is under attack.
- Siege weapons are your best friend when it comes to defending a fort. Deploy them as frequently as possible, especially when defending against large enemy groups.
- Stay a few minutes after the fighting ends to get the defensive tick.
- When nothing's happening, repair forts. Be sure you have the AP bonus from killing a delve boss if you do so.

I found that I made more AP playing solo that way than playing with big PUGs. However, if you want to go on the offense, it's better to join a group or, at least, follow a group. Also, it should be noted that the offensive tick is instantaneous (right when the fort flips) contrary to the defensive tick.

Hope that helps.

That was actually pretty helpful thnx

Bigevilpeter

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

why the heck would you want something to take too long? it doesnt reflect any skill its just shows how many hours you wasted.

It's not a waste of time if you enjoy the game. Maybe you should address why you don't enjoy PVP.

too chaotic, almost zero time to react once ambushed and extreemly laggy and buggy. also to expensive to get good pvp gear.

good enough reasons

blabafat

They already changed the AP required, and the "Don't make me PvP for PvE" argument can be turned around too.

Judas Helviaryn

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

why the heck would you want something to take too long? it doesnt reflect any skill its just shows how many hours you wasted.

It's not a waste of time if you enjoy the game. Maybe you should address why you don't enjoy PVP.

too chaotic, almost zero time to react once ambushed and extreemly laggy and buggy. also to expensive to get good pvp gear.

good enough reasons

The community disagrees with your reasons. Just scroll up.

I'm sorry the game is too hard for you, maybe you could find your own niche in another.

Oh, and VMA is nothing, if not chaotic, laggy, and expensive to run.

DurzoBlint13

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Vigor one of them most essential skills for stamina characters in both pve and pve and pvers like me are forced to pvp for days just to get it for every single stamina character I have, I just join a group and watch alliance points slowly coming up I keep failing miserably and btw I have still yet to get alliance level 5 with any of my characters.

At least it should have been the first or second skill om the line, but 60k alliance points for just from 4-5 is insane.

I cant even Vmsa without Vigor please change this im not a pvper and probably never will be dont force me to play something i dont like

60k AP is 2 hours of pvp for a *** group, an hour for a decent one. And before you complain remember that it used to take 8 million AP to get it, but carebears are dead set on play The Casual Scrolls Online.

exactly this! It used to be a lot longer but ZOS made it so everyone can get it quickly with minimal effort because of all the QQing by casuals and PvEers. Vigor is the only reason I started to PvP at all and now it is almost all I do. Give PvP a shot and you might just like it. I think it is great that they want people to experience all aspects of the game. Never know if you never try

FleetwoodSmack

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

why the heck would you want something to take too long? it doesnt reflect any skill its just shows how many hours you wasted.

It's not a waste of time if you enjoy the game. Maybe you should address why you don't enjoy PVP.

too chaotic, almost zero time to react once ambushed and extreemly laggy and buggy. also to expensive to get good pvp gear.

good enough reasons

People can say the same thing about PvE content with trials. Zero react time with enrages if people aren't working together, vMA is a joke with lag/bugs (numerous videos for that, GL HF), and let's not forget that it's just as expensive to also gear for PvE if you're crafting. Heck, sometimes just buying looted sets. And finding a reliable tank if you PUG? Sounds vaguely familiar to what PvEers say everything PvP does. I get that you don't like it, but I don't expect my Undaunted skill line and abilities to level themselves out either.

DRXHarbinger

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Vigor one of them most essential skills for stamina characters in both pve and pve and pvers like me are forced to pvp for days just to get it for every single stamina character I have, I just join a group and watch alliance points slowly coming up I keep failing miserably and btw I have still yet to get alliance level 5 with any of my characters.

At least it should have been the first or second skill om the line, but 60k alliance points for just from 4-5 is insane.

I cant even Vmsa without Vigor please change this im not a pvper and probably never will be dont force me to play something i dont like

It's only 50 kills. GG son. Just spam snipe at zergs and you'll rake the ap in.

Plus I have done vma with just rally, my stam DK is rank 0. GG again.

Spend the AP on light defensive boxes and you may land a transmutation ring..you won't regret selling it in a guild store.

Divinius

As for the argument going both ways, I can totally accept that. Personally, I would gladly agree to having every piece of endgame gear (that currently comes from PvE content) be made purchasable for AP, if in turn they gave me a way to get all the skills in the Assault and Support lines without having to do any PvP.

KingYogi415

You can make 40k in an hour defense tick hopping.

Learn to PVP brah!

Ghost-Shot

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

why the heck would you want something to take too long? it doesnt reflect any skill its just shows how many hours you wasted.

It's not a waste of time if you enjoy the game. Maybe you should address why you don't enjoy PVP.

too chaotic, almost zero time to react once ambushed and extreemly laggy and buggy. also to expensive to get good pvp gear.

good enough reasons

Get good and get the proper gear (impenetrable) and you will have plenty of time to react. Still getting 1 shot ganked? Slot radiant mage light, rip ganker. Lag and fps drops are not exclusive to pvp, hate to break it to you but this game tends to be a *** show.

s7732425ub17_ESO

To be clear, you unlock Vigor after reaching 94k total AP.

Woeler

I did that in one night lol.

Ghost-Shot

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

To be clear, you unlock Vigor after reaching 94k total AP.

3 hours of PVP, got it.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

The undaunted grind is still far worse. I have had to hear "Over there, its Mareel" more times than I would ever like to. At least PvP is dynamic, interesting and challenging.

Grinding the same boring dungeons for months, hearing the same ominous voiceovers just to get a % stat increase is much much worse that getting vigor.

OdinForge

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

The undaunted grind is still far worse. I have had to hear "Over there, its Mareel" more times than I would ever like to. At least PvP is dynamic, interesting and challenging.

Grinding the same boring dungeons for months, hearing the same ominous voiceovers just to get a % stat increase is much much worse that getting vigor.

Agreed.

DRXHarbinger

Divinius wrote: »

As for the argument going both ways, I can totally accept that. Personally, I would gladly agree to having every piece of endgame gear (that currently comes from PvE content) be made purchasable for AP, if in turn they gave me a way to get all the skills in the Assault and Support lines without having to do any PvP.

That's one enormous loot table...

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

The undaunted grind is still far worse. I have had to hear "Over there, its Mareel" more times than I would ever like to. At least PvP is dynamic, interesting and challenging.

Grinding the same boring dungeons for months, hearing the same ominous voiceovers just to get a % stat increase is much much worse that getting vigor.

It doesn't really take months now does it...plus when you hear it, say it out loud. ..it's Mereel. It makes it more fun. Undaunted passive isn't all that great anyway...it's old news. 5 VO + 5 RM seems to be the way to go. DW about Undaunted.

Iselin

Go into Cyrodiil as a magicka-based healer with healing staff and don't group but follow the zerg around healing everyone, especially in defensive situations: you'll get it in a few hours. Then just respec to your stamina build after you have it.

Caltrops is the harder one to get because it seems to take longer to go from 5-6 than getting to 5.

Also do it at a low level in Blackwater Blade - always a lot of action there day or night.

Sallington

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

if it used to be more doesnt mean its ok now, this is one of the most essentail skills and shouldnt behind a huge pvp barrier

Lol "huge" pvp barrier.

Someone's being a drama queen. It would literally take you 6 hours if all you did was AFK inside Chal/Ash and collect d-ticks.

Let me know the time and effort it takes to get Fighters Guild Rank 10 or Undaunted 9

Jaiden

Go find a big battle, throw caltrops on the enemy......easy AP.

Carbonised

Boo friggin hoo.

This game has PvE content, PvP content, vet dungeon content, trial content. Gues what? You don't do some of this, and you don't get all the spoils.

Don't come here to cry your eyes out because you have to do a little PvP to actually earn the PvP skill line.

Sallington

Also, the only reason you would ever need Vigor in PvE is vMA. And if you're too lazy to spend a couple hours in PvP, there's no way in hell you're clearing vMA.

Jaronking

Sallington wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

if it used to be more doesnt mean its ok now, this is one of the most essentail skills and shouldnt behind a huge pvp barrier

Lol "huge" pvp barrier.

Someone's being a drama queen. It would literally take you 6 hours if all you did was AFK inside Chal/Ash and collect d-ticks.

Let me know the time and effort it takes to get Fighters Guild Rank 10 or Undaunted 9

Fighters guild one day undaunted 6 months to level.Mages guild without a guide 3 years lol.

Ghost-Shot

Sallington wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

if it used to be more doesnt mean its ok now, this is one of the most essentail skills and shouldnt behind a huge pvp barrier

Lol "huge" pvp barrier.

Someone's being a drama queen. It would literally take you 6 hours if all you did was AFK inside Chal/Ash and collect d-ticks.

Let me know the time and effort it takes to get Fighters Guild Rank 10 or Undaunted 9

I have a toon that's Alliance Rank 29 almost 30 and still doesn't have undaunted 9 lol

Unsent.Soul

This is incredible... People still complaining about how long it takes to get vigor... just like all things, if you want it, go out and get it.

Stop expecting them to hand vigor out to everyone because you can't kill someone.

It's stupid easy to get vigor now, deal with it.

Recremen

They already significantly decreased the amount of time it takes to get the skills. While I'm all for analyzing more player feedback and finding the ideal sweet spot, I'm pretty confident they have the right thing going already.