Can't Wait for Crown Crates I'm So Excited!!

jeevin · October 2016

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@ZOS_PeterT this thread should of been closed from the get go. OP is clearly taking the ***.

FoolishHuman · October 2016

So many conspiracy theories about some "lady" that is destroying MMOs, don't you think that's a bit ridiculous?
These crates will have a negative impact though. It will artificially inflate prices of store items and sooner or later all the good items will be only in those boxes with a tiny chance, seen it in GW2 and Neverwinter.
And yeah, I don't have enough money for that. Is it so bad that people who can't burn 300$ a month on one of their hobbies also want to play and not be considered second-class citizens in the game? In all games that are ruled by whales like that we normal players just feel like decoration. And then we leave. And then you can enjoy your "exclusive" mount all alone on an empty server.

Lysette · October 2016

In a free to play game it is exactly like you say - if you are not a premium user or a whale, you are just decoration for those, who can actually pay for the game. But in ESO, we all paid for the game and no one should feel 2nd class in it.

Edit: and we don't feel 2nd class in ESO - but 3rd class, because ZOS is not paying attention to those, who have supported the game for so long or with a larger amount of money (large compared to the original game price) - and this is really bad, to have to feel like the ignored and abused 3rd class.

Actually I am the most annoyed by the fact, that ZOS has no scruples to smirch the franchise, most of us love since over a decade, with this kind of scam schemes. It takes away what TES has been to us - or I should say "was" to us - because it does not seem that ZOS will be smart with this and rescue the franchise - all what Bethesda has raised carefully is besmirched by ZOS and might make us hate TES in the future.

Kendaric · October 2016

Lukums1 wrote: »

I don't think it will ever go p2w that's doom and gloom talk... all i've been saying is cosmetic items are cool... WoW has them... Aion has them... Flyff had them...

However the gamble is high, very high in fact. I think with the very little SOLID information we have moving forward I don't think it's wise to be like OH NO OH NO... just yet...

Yes, cosmetic items are cool...if I can make an informed choice and know exactly what I'm getting and at what cost.

That's something the scam crates take away, I neither know what I'll get nor do I know how much getting a particular item will cost me.
At the bare minimum, we need to be able to turn every item, including unwanted collectibles, into crown gems.

SantieClaws · October 2016

Lysette wrote: »

In a free to play game it is exactly like you say - if you are not a premium user or a whale, you are just decoration for those, who can actually pay for the game. But in ESO, we all paid for the game and no one should feel 2nd class in it.

Edit: and we don't feel 2nd class in ESO - but 3rd class, because ZOS is not paying attention to those, who have supported the game for so long or with a larger amount of money (large compared to the original game price) - and this is really bad, to have to feel like the ignored and abused 3rd class.

Actually I am the most annoyed by the fact, that ZOS has no scruples to smirch the franchise, most of us love since over a decade, with this kind of scam schemes. It takes away what TES has been to us - or I should say "was" to us - because it does not seem that ZOS will be smart with this and rescue the franchise - all what Bethesda has raised carefully is besmirched by ZOS and might make us hate TES in the future.

The lady she raises a good point about the con crates damaging the integrity of the wider franchise yes.

This isn't just any Tamriel. This is an Elder Scrolls Tamriel. Therefore what happens here may have a long term business impact on the crown jewel of the Bethesda collection. A very ticked off customer is likely to remain so yes or at least be more thoughtful and cautious in their purchases in the future.

For a just few feathers more now you risk killing the goose that lays you your golden eggs. These geese do not grow on trees. Yes khajiit she has climbed many a tree looking for them.

If those who deal with the Elder Scrolls overall are not yet concerned about the very wide displeasure expressed at the con crates then they really should be. A community so well versed in lore is a community naturally disposed to not forgetting things easily after all.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Suter1972 · October 2016

I'm in support of the crates but I see a lot of the 'against' posts refer to 'having to spend hundreds to GET WHAT YOU WANT'

Just to clarify, I won't be using cc's to target a specific item. It's more a simple flutter to see what I get, maybe a few crates every now and then. I may well get bored and not buy any more. There's lots of other current AAA games with similar items, ( over watch, cod) etc that do very well and I haven't read any stories about instant gambling additions?

Again, it's about your own self management and perceived value in the gamble. If it's for fun, great, if it's to get a specific item you crave, then it could be warning bells

Streega · October 2016

Lysette wrote: »

In a free to play game it is exactly like you say - if you are not a premium user or a whale, you are just decoration for those, who can actually pay for the game. But in ESO, we all paid for the game and no one should feel 2nd class in it.

Edit: and we don't feel 2nd class in ESO - but 3rd class, because ZOS is not paying attention to those, who have supported the game for so long or with a larger amount of money (large compared to the original game price) - and this is really bad, to have to feel like the ignored and abused 3rd class.

Actually I am the most annoyed by the fact, that ZOS has no scruples to smirch the franchise, most of us love since over a decade, with this kind of scam schemes. It takes away what TES has been to us - or I should say "was" to us - because it does not seem that ZOS will be smart with this and rescue the franchise - all what Bethesda has raised carefully is besmirched by ZOS and might make us hate TES in the future.

This is how I feel now. I own every title from Fallout (except F4) and TES series, and I think ESO can be the last. I was going to buy Fallout 4 around Christmas, but... I have a psychology degree and I work in a public health sector - I cannot support a company which is deliberately feeding on addiction. I left SW:TOR because of it, didn't stay in STO also.
Zenimax listens to the money only, yes? So, here are some facts: ZOS lost around 10.000 crowns which I would spend, if the price was reasonable. I have enough money and I would buy a lot of things (like the Banker and the Merchant, IF they would cost 5000 crowns BOTH), but I'm not a mindless whale.
If the Crown Crates become reality, I will cancel my sub and won't buy a crown more. Yes, I will play ESO, because I love it and I paid for it (10 times more then for any other game, actually), but I'm keeping my current stack of crowns for a new DLC's only - should be enough for next 3. Furthermore, I won't probably bother with any of the future Zenimax products. It would left me with a bad taste in my mouth...

Tyrion87 · October 2016

Wow, each topic regarding crown crates always causes hot but really sad, or even depressing discussions...

I am so worried how this forum will look like at the end of November when these crates are supposed to actually come out.

Personally I think that everything regarding the crates has been already said, it's obvious they are an extremely bad idea and won't bring anything good to the game and its long term existence. Unfortunately this is as obvious as the fact that after all ZOS will introduce them to the game no matter what.

The saddest thing is the crates might be withdrawn eventually after some time but people who quitted because of them will never come back...

Woeler · October 2016

The QQ is real. Now the real face of the anti-crowd shows again. Pitchforks and torches.

edited to remove political comment

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Nyx2 · October 2016

Lukums1 wrote: »

As mentioned previously.

I'm ready to drop $300.00 on release of these crown crates just to ensure a mount

I feel like it's people being hurt because they.

1. Don't have money
2. Don't feel like gambling to get "what they want" - which is why MOST of you are having a cry (deal with it)
3. Think it's PAY to win (which it isn't as it's purely "looks")

Who is supposed to sympathize with this kind of attitude? Donald Trump? Paying 300 $ for a mount is in no way feasible for such a little piece of content and you can't honestly demand that this is what everyone should pay. Can someone please explain why a costumer would want unnecessarily high prices? So that only you can enjoy it? Because this really does not make any sense.

1. Obsolete point, we wouldn't be able to buy anything at all without money
2. Correct. Maybe this is weird to you but people usually don't like giving away money for literally nothing. But I hope you enjoy your 300 $ worth of poisons, food and xp scrolls but no mount (deal with it). Then again, common sense tells me you're bluffing just so you can call everyone whiny. I mean who would pay 300 $ for a mount and be happy with that? Your mount may as well be a sack of money at that point.
3. As said before, these points are hypocritical on your part.

You go as far to make this an issue if people could purchase titles (I don't support that but it seems rather petty). But if people are complaining because they're outright denied items because they can't buy hundreds of crates then they're just "crying" and have to "deal with it". Only you make valid criticism and only what you consider an issue is worthy of complaints. Who cares what other people want? That's what is hypocritical.

The other thing is that this is just one step to many others that eventually turn this game to absolute trash. But you defend this money grab anyway and applaud as the game slowly dies more and more of its own greed. Well done.

JKorr · October 2016

Lukums1 wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

@Lukums1 , no, you have not.

You know how I know you have not?

You didn't mention once the main issue, which pretty much EVERYBODY who is against the crates mentioned at least once: The direction a game takes after they introduce these crates is really, really bad. Every single game. Not one game that made this move, ESPECIALLY with a certain lady behind it, escaped this fate. Free to play, content scarcity, crates becoming main and then only source of income, complete ruin. There is no reason to think it will be different with ESO, especially since that same lady that killed so many games with this kind of scheme is working with ZOS now.

It is always like this. Always. We saw this happening way too many times.

We are not going to contribute to that because we care about the direction of the game. Because we are TES fans and we want the game to thrive.

The reason why you are seeing so many posts about gambling and money is because you crate supporters keep bringing it up as if those were the actual issues we have with the crates.

I'm saddened that you guys are going to support this, especially for something so futile like a shiny new mount. Maybe you are MMO hoppers so it doesn't matter if ESO goes down this route to you, because you are just going to migrate to the next game.

I for one don't think a shiny new mount is worth the health of the game.

Alright you make some what of a point.

But it is cosmetic right? The items being brought without crown crates aren't great.

Granted Aion MMO did this as well... however they added the BEST weapons to their crown system by 1/10000 chance.

Can I say... even if this happend (and I'm with you hopefully it won't) but would it be THAT bad that someone spent $10000 for EXAMPLE to obtain something they are after...?

Does this not get ZOS income to keep making content? I'm sorry maybe I'm not thinking in the same mind set you are.

If someone does spend that much to get an item they want, it will encourage ZOS to keep making content. Content for the crates. Content for the games? Why bother? The income is from the crates, so pump out more content for the crates. Throw out a halfhearted dlc, but ramp up the stuff in the crates.

What ZOS seems to have gotten from the PTS feedback about the crates isn't that they are unpopular, or the drop rate isn't good, or that the crates seem to be a way to sell the consumables like poisons, food, and potions that people aren't buying from the crown store because they did keep their word about the player crafters making better items than the crown store. The information that they seem to have picked up from the feedback is the crown store consumables need to be buffed to make them better. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3384769#Comment_3384769

Hi everyone, here’s where we are with Crown Crates:

We put systems on the PTS for player feedback for a reason – we have sifted (and continue to analyze) your feedback on Crown Crates, and as such, we’re going to make at least the following changes to the system before it goes live later this year:

We are working to change the way the system works to ensure that you get higher tiered items more often.
We will allow you to convert unwanted Crown Crate consumables into Crown Gems. This way, you won’t be stuck with consumables you may not want, and you will also have more Gems to purchase the items that you do want.
We will also take another look at Crown Crate potions, food, XP scrolls, etc. with an eye towards boosting their effectiveness and/or duration. This may entail us adding new recipes to allow crafters to make similar items.

We may well find other changes we want to make as well, and will let everyone know what we have done when this initial round of changes are in and can test them internally.

Does that sound like future content is going to focus on the game?

Cazzy · October 2016

Woeler wrote: »

The QQ is real. Now the real face of the anti-crowd shows again. Pitchforks and torches. .

That's hardly constructive.

AnviOfVai · October 2016

hmmmghh....to much of a risk with these crates, I may buy one to test it out, but I will not (for once) be wasting my money on them. Why? Not worth the risk. I rather fork out cash on a mount that i have waiting for, and know I can actually get it. These games rely on things like this to make their cash. Look at SWTOR, 24.99 for 30 pack crates, that may or may not have the rare lightsaber in them. I learned my lesson with those..

Also Exclusive??

Remember things that are exclusive come available later on in the year...

snakester320 · October 2016

Lysette wrote: »

Lavum wrote: »

TBH I am rather worried, I'm sure we have all seen a game where cosmetic "cash shop" items went from cosmetic to Pay To Win. This has been mentioned but it is worth repeating.

It is already pay to win, but in a different context - the changes they make to "balance" the game are made to make players switch to a new meta - and you can pretty much bet, that future "balance" changes will be so that a competitive player will have to switch to another race to stay competitive - and buy race change tokens for his characters - those are not in vain that expensive - so for them it is already pay to win, if they do not want to play through the same content over and over and over again every 3 months basically.

I think the pay to win will come from gear and weapons forced into the game via these scam boxs.. There obviously desperate for money to make better content why not try on a pay to win system.. I see your argument on balance but its like any mmo they are constantly changing character balance and race till one is king then they nerf it or choose another to buff..and I would say the majority of most mmos are played by (how to put it) well just ppl.. Hardcore gamers are far and few between these days for the simple fact any company's catering to hardcore players exclusively don't make any money. So while yes it's crap at the ridiculous cost for race change its still not really a pay to win system as where payed gear and weapons which I believe is the next step for ZOS will truly be its demise!!

rotaugen454 · October 2016

I'm curious to see if the data mined "upgraded banker" or "upgraded merchant" (or whatever they were called) end up being crown crate exclusives that let you access guild banks and repair armor on the go. IF it turns out that way, it would be bad. We don't even know if these items are really coming out, and if they did, if they would only be in crown crates. I would just hate to see it go down the road of putting very useful items in as exclusives. I am in a wait and see mode though, not panicking yet.

Elsonso · October 2016

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ArgoCye wrote: »

It will kill the game. Yeah, I keep hearing about the long list of MMOs that died because of gamble boxes, but I am 100% certain that those were NOT the main reason why these games died. I find it hard to believe that an optional part of a game that will in no way influence your skill or ability to play will be responsible for killing a game.

In terms of cause and effect, I don't really think that the gamble boxes necessarily kill the game. I think it is the other way around. Those games, and perhaps ESO, were already dying, or at least on life support, when the gamble bags were introduced. It was why they were introduced. Whether to milk the last drop of revenue, or extend life support, it does not matter. Successful games do not need them. Unsuccessful games can make use of them to extend the revenue life of the game.

The prior comment about free to play is probably dead on. The person Bethesda brought in to market ESO is known for this. It likely has a plan, and a date. We'll see.

ArgoCye wrote: »

I think it all boils down to a group of entitled players who are simply afraid of change - for fear of losing what they have or others getting it.

This is just insulting.

snakester320 · October 2016

I don't understand how anyone can honestly say theses crates are a good idea..I've read stats from pts on another thread 400gems to buy a rare mount and at least 30000 crowns and still no flashy ultra rare mount .. Do the math ppl even if they brought back these old mounts or put ultra rares at 5500 crowns for collectors and alike there there going to make money... Put simply this is nothing but GREED in its most pure form nothing more nothing less!!

Yuls · October 2016

rotaugen454 wrote: »

I'm curious to see if the data mined "upgraded banker" or "upgraded merchant" (or whatever they were called) end up being crown crate exclusives that let you access guild banks and repair armor on the go. IF it turns out that way, it would be bad.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3356002/#Comment_3356002

snakester320 · October 2016

lordrichter wrote: »

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ArgoCye wrote: »

It will kill the game. Yeah, I keep hearing about the long list of MMOs that died because of gamble boxes, but I am 100% certain that those were NOT the main reason why these games died. I find it hard to believe that an optional part of a game that will in no way influence your skill or ability to play will be responsible for killing a game.

In terms of cause and effect, I don't really think that the gamble boxes necessarily kill the game. I think it is the other way around. Those games, and perhaps ESO, were already dying, or at least on life support, when the gamble bags were introduced. It was why they were introduced. Whether to milk the last drop of revenue, or extend life support, it does not matter. Successful games do not need them. Unsuccessful games can make use of them to extend the revenue life of the game.

The prior comment about free to play is probably dead on. The person Bethesda brought in to market ESO is known for this. It likely has a plan, and a date. We'll see.

ArgoCye wrote: »

I think it all boils down to a group of entitled players who are simply afraid of change - for fear of losing what they have or others getting it.

This is just insulting.

FFXIV ARR does have a cash shop as such for costumes race appearance change etc at a far cheaper price in most cases..But they charge a sub with that you get free solid content every 3-4 months issues bugs etc fixed quickly ( I will say that eso is a bit more adult and not as cartoony as ffxiv ) but that's what a true mmo should be sub based constant content for you sub fee and bugs and issues fixed promptly all the things eso is not!
Proof is there's no need to scam ppl out of money if you charge decent fair price for a decent fair game!

Abeille · October 2016

FoolishHuman wrote: »

So many conspiracy theories about some "lady" that is destroying MMOs, don't you think that's a bit ridiculous?
These crates will have a negative impact though. It will artificially inflate prices of store items and sooner or later all the good items will be only in those boxes with a tiny chance, seen it in GW2 and Neverwinter.
And yeah, I don't have enough money for that. Is it so bad that people who can't burn 300$ a month on one of their hobbies also want to play and not be considered second-class citizens in the game? In all games that are ruled by whales like that we normal players just feel like decoration. And then we leave. And then you can enjoy your "exclusive" mount all alone on an empty server.

It is not a conspiracy, but the last time she was called by name the posts were deleted (and with good reason, I understand this completely, it is absolutely wrong to give anyone means to use personal attacks again an employee). We have seen her linkedin page (which we can't link for the same obvious reason), we know the MMOs she worked on and we know the "specializations" listed there include B2P - F2P transition, and we know the time she worked on these MMOs were coincidentally the time when they went downhill. In short, she knows how to make the most out of a title as a last ditch effort.

@geonsocal , this is their first MMO.

rotaugen454 · October 2016

Yuls wrote: »

rotaugen454 wrote: »

I'm curious to see if the data mined "upgraded banker" or "upgraded merchant" (or whatever they were called) end up being crown crate exclusives that let you access guild banks and repair armor on the go. IF it turns out that way, it would be bad.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3356002/#Comment_3356002

Thank you, I missed that one. Now we are paying for our assistants to have better clothes? That's kinda funny.

Abeille · October 2016

rotaugen454 wrote: »

Yuls wrote: »

rotaugen454 wrote: »

I'm curious to see if the data mined "upgraded banker" or "upgraded merchant" (or whatever they were called) end up being crown crate exclusives that let you access guild banks and repair armor on the go. IF it turns out that way, it would be bad.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3356002/#Comment_3356002

Thank you, I missed that one. Now we are paying for our assistants to have better clothes? That's kinda funny.

I see no problem with that actually.
I find the assistants overpriced and misleading (lots of people buy them and then come here to the forums asking why they don't have full bank/merchant functions), but that's another conversation entirely.
Having assistants that look different from each other is positive, in my opinion. Jessica also said they have unique VO, so I am hoping they have a little more interesting lines too and less generic dialogue.

Hamiltonmath · October 2016

I really don't get it. It isn't p2w, it is all cosmetic. I don't get why companies get hate for wanting to make money. They have to make money to keep this game alive. Do you want to keep this game alive? Then allow them to make crown crates. You don't have to buy them. I might not even buy them. But no one is getting OP because their horse has different pixels than yours.

SantieClaws · October 2016

Hamiltonmath wrote: »

I really don't get it. It isn't p2w, it is all cosmetic. I don't get why companies get hate for wanting to make money. They have to make money to keep this game alive. Do you want to keep this game alive? Then allow them to make crown crates. You don't have to buy them. I might not even buy them. But no one is getting OP because their horse has different pixels than yours.

Khajiit will explain.

The issue is that the con crates will influence the future development of Tamriel. If they sell well then less will go in the store and in the game itself and more in the crates.

More time and more effort will go to the crates at the expense of DLC too most probably.

In the end there will be less Tamriel for all - buyers and otherwise - than if there had been no crates.

They are a poison for all - those who buy them and those who do not.

The history of such items in other realms is most telling yes.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Lysette · October 2016

I will tell you, what impression this all makes to me - it is a guess, but it could well be that way. I think, the investors are pulling the plug now - the nvestment period is about 10 years now, a decent investment should have 4-fold it's value in that time. ESO is underperforming and the decision was made, to pull the plug, get someone in, who is able and capable to drain the most out of it in the last remaining 1-2 years, so that the investors get at least part of their investment back, swallowing the opportunity cost loss - and then pull the plug. It is a guess, but that is how this all looks to me now.

JKorr · October 2016

Suter1972 wrote: »

I'm in support of the crates but I see a lot of the 'against' posts refer to 'having to spend hundreds to GET WHAT YOU WANT'

Just to clarify, I won't be using cc's to target a specific item. It's more a simple flutter to see what I get, maybe a few crates every now and then. I may well get bored and not buy any more. There's lots of other current AAA games with similar items, ( over watch, cod) etc that do very well and I haven't read any stories about instant gambling additions?

Again, it's about your own self management and perceived value in the gamble. If it's for fun, great, if it's to get a specific item you crave, then it could be warning bells

You'll have fun with them then. The person who is building a character and wants a mount/mask/outfit that is rngesus crate only is liable to go overboard in the attempt to get one [or more] specific item. Someone was making a cryomancer/ice mage and wanted the white wolf mount, and stalhrim gear to complete the look. If the white wolf mount is crate only then people are going to keep trying for what they want, for example.

Its why I said I would have no problem with the crown crates *IF* the items were available for outright purchase at some point. If items were crate exclusive for a few weeks/months, then available for sale at a set price outright, fine. Someone who wants something immediately can take their chances on getting it early. If someone wants to take a chance that buying a couple of crates will get them a 2500 [or more; dro'mathra senche was 5000] crown mount for 400 or 800 crowns, fine. If the mount is for sale outright, you have the option to decide it is or isn't worth paying full price for it. It is the "crown crate exclusive forever you have to gamble if you want it" idea that I am against.

Abeille · October 2016

JKorr wrote: »

Suter1972 wrote: »

I'm in support of the crates but I see a lot of the 'against' posts refer to 'having to spend hundreds to GET WHAT YOU WANT'

Just to clarify, I won't be using cc's to target a specific item. It's more a simple flutter to see what I get, maybe a few crates every now and then. I may well get bored and not buy any more. There's lots of other current AAA games with similar items, ( over watch, cod) etc that do very well and I haven't read any stories about instant gambling additions?

Again, it's about your own self management and perceived value in the gamble. If it's for fun, great, if it's to get a specific item you crave, then it could be warning bells

Someone was making a cryomancer/ice mage and wanted the white wolf mount, and stalhrim gear to complete the look. If the white wolf mount is crate only then people are going to keep trying for what they want, for example.

That was probably me, the Cryomancer is my character Gyda Snowcaller and her wolf was going to be called Frostbite (I'm not very creative, leave me be, at least it is not "Ghost"

). I won't be buying any crates even if they put my Frostbite in it. Gyda will have to pretend my Imperial Horse is a wolf, or that the Highland Wolf is white. I've been pretending my Altmer has black hair for almost three years now, so I have experience with not having what I want xD

I expect a lot of people to buy it, though, because of Ghost (Game of Thrones/A Song of Ice and Fire). If someone was planning to buy the crates because of Ghost, known that Ghost has red eyes and is supposed to be mute, while the Ice Wolf has blue eyes and probably howls like the other Wolf Mounts. You will be dumping a lot of money in a bad system and you still won't have Ghost.

WhiteCoatSyndrome · October 2016

Hamiltonmath wrote: »

I really don't get it. It isn't p2w, it is all cosmetic. I don't get why companies get hate for wanting to make money. They have to make money to keep this game alive. Do you want to keep this game alive? Then allow them to make crown crates. You don't have to buy them. I might not even buy them. But no one is getting OP because their horse has different pixels than yours.

It's not hate for Zenimax wanting to make money; it's Zenimax wanting to make money for nothing. They are a business, they provide a service; if that service ceases to be worth the money being spent on it I know I will stop spending, and thus I am warning Zenimax in advance. They are a business, they are not a charity and I am not required to give them money purely out of the goodness of my heart.

JKorr · October 2016

Hamiltonmath wrote: »

I really don't get it. It isn't p2w, it is all cosmetic. I don't get why companies get hate for wanting to make money. They have to make money to keep this game alive. Do you want to keep this game alive? Then allow them to make crown crates. You don't have to buy them. I might not even buy them. But no one is getting OP because their horse has different pixels than yours.

Do I want to keep this game alive? Let's see... I bought the imperial edition. I have the collector's edition. I have two accounts, one subbed, one not. Everything on the not subbed account is paid for by buying crowns. I've been subbed on my main account since early access. I have the tiger senche loyalty reward for having a sub for the year before they unfortunately dropped the sub and went buy to play. I was really disappointed that the dropped the sub, mostly, from what I could see, because of the consoles. I would be fine with the sub being required, honestly. I do buy items from the crown store, mostly mounts and mimic stones. I've bought extra crowns over and above what I get for my sub. Gee. I don't know if I want to keep the game alive. Its not like I'm supporting it at all or anything.... /sarcasm.

I don't care if they put a rainbow farting paisley patterned unicorn mount in the crown crates. I do care if they've taken the time and effort to make a rainbow farting paisley patterned unicorn mount for the crown crates instead of creating more content for the game. You know, things like quests, items, or in-game things. I'm not playing the game to go to different towns and watch the special "gotta have the blingiest stuff evah" people on parade. If the quest content isn't there or doesn't work, what difference does the fact there are rngesus boxes with bling available make?

Also, if no one buys them, they will make changes so people will. Its already been stated; the feedback they got from the pts trial run showed no one thought the potions/food/poisons were worth anything. So they're looking at buffing the potions/food/poisons to make them better so people won't call them crap, not getting rid of them completely. I'm sure if that doesn't work, then more items that will be pay to win will find their way into the crates. Gotta support the game, right? /sarcasm intended for the rhetorical question.