Can't Wait for Crown Crates I'm So Excited!!

UrbanMonk · October 2016

Asardes wrote: »

Winning marketing strategy:
1) Take product X that's priced at 50 EUR that few actually buy
2) Price it at 75 EUR for one month so even fewer if any buy it
3) Cross out the 75 EUR price tag and put a new one for 55 EUR beside it and advertise "discounts of up to 27% limited time offer"
4) Watch people rampage trough the store in search of the 55 EUR discounted product until it runs out
5) If it's still some left sell 10 EUR coupons of which 1/6 are winning tickets for the remaining products
6) Rinse and repeat for any product

ZoS is no better or worse than your average shoes and clothes retailer

@Asardes ,

in real world retail actually it's a crime to sell any item higher than it's MRP i.e. Maximum retail price, and it's a even bigger crime to sell the product on a discounted price with MRP shown as higher than the regular price. As it results in avoiding tax on a product as the sale goes for higher price than the listed book price and so on... in many countries, the retails would be shut down and will be posed with a huge levi of penalty.

However in online world this gets unreal and people do actually do this and benefit from it. Many of the online retailers (3rd party retailers not the original manufacture of product) sell products on discounted price as they themselves get it on discounted price from the manufacturer.

However in current case of Mounts and crates, if one assumes these so called exclusive mounts are sold for a max price of 5000 crowns, many would buy them as with the discounted crown sales and from the monthly ESO sub, people have these crowns so, in ZOS would end up not making too much profit. But putting them a gambling machine such as crown crates, will result in the following possibilities-

1. Many people will spend crowns/ real life money till they get the mounts. it can vary from 400 crowns to 33000 crowns.
2. many people will try their luck with the crown they have as it doesn't cost any extra real life money and if they get it, good for them or else they'll wait for next crowns from their sub.
3. some people will just buy these crown crates for gist of it and trying their luck and probably will spend anywhere between 400- 2000 crowns depending on their purse/ crown balance size. Some would get lucky and most will not, given the horrible history of ZOS RNG mechanics.

In all of the above scenarios combined together you can get a bigger picture where ZOS ultimately is winner, weather people get those mounts or not.

And the worse effect that most of us including me are worried about is that for some people, it might become an addiction as seen in the case of OP, because it doesn't stop at one mount. You might get the one you didn't want and will try again till you get the one you actually wanted. So all in all these crates are poisonous not only in game but will affect people in real life. And if ZOS has 1 cent of responsibility towards welfare of their consumer base, they should cancel out the launch of these crates and put the exclusive items directly on sale in crown store.

My 0.2$....

Elsonso · October 2016

DuckEmDoc wrote: »

I really don't have a problem with the crates as they are being presented.

In the end, it is not about whether they contain cosmetic stuff, or OP armor and weapons. It does not matter whether it is gambling. It does not matter whether a person buys one, or one thousand of them. None of this is my issue.

The problem with Crown Crates, and what they want us to ignore, is that they have to drive people to buy them. Gamble boxes make a lot of money, mainly because people have to buy lots of them to get what they want. That only works when there is something in there that people want.

So, the first fallout from the Crown Crates looks to be the November Crown Store Showcase, which is considered by many to be the lamest thing that has ever happened. My feeling is that when we see what will be in the Crown Crates later this month, things will become clear. If you want the good stuff, you need to gamble away your Crowns to get it. Yes, it is all cosmetic. So what if it is?

The second fallout from the Crown Crates will be a bit less obvious. To drive people to the Crown Crates, especially if they are not well received, they need to make sure that these "seasons" are things that will blow our socks off. This puts effort and manpower into doing nothing more than getting people to buy Crown Crates in larger numbers. This is money spent on something that is not a new dungeon, not a new DLC, not a new System, and not a new zone. In other words, it is not being spent on the game. It is being spent trying to get people to buy Crown Crates.

People are not going to play ESO because of the super terrific Crown Crates. (Prediction: they won't be super terrific). Crown Crates might generate revenue, but they don't attract players. The game attracts players. We attract new players by playing the game, not by opening Crown Crates. The Crown Crate development actually pulls money away from game development. That is an incredible thing for something that few people really want to heavily invest in.

People can buy the Crates, and enjoy watching Pacrooti toss cards, and enjoy it until they run out of money. In exchange for that, my expectation is that we will get fewer Crown Store things for direct purchase, and ultimately, not as much new game content.

But Wait! ZOS needs to eat! Lambert needs new shorts! ZOS deserves to survive! One can argue that, if the Crown Crates don't do well, we might not get any new game stuff, and may not have any game to play, at all.

If ESO is failing, or they cannot afford to keep it running, without Crown Crates selling, it will not be because Crown Crates are not selling. It will be because ZOS does not know how to turn a GAME into REVENUE. If ZOS needs Crown Crates to survive, it is because they can't make a successful game. If this is true, we may very well be in the closing days of the 2nd Era, to paraphrase Emperor Septim. Who knows.

In any case, successful or not, as long as Crown Crates are considered by ZOS/Bethesda to be a key revenue source, just putting them into the game really represents the eventual decline of the game. By buying them, are we really helping the game, or just encouraging them to spend more effort on them? If we ignore them, are we just saying, "not my problem," as the game falls apart around us due to lack of revenue?

I have to pick one, and I choose to not buy them. I will spend hundreds of dollars this year on ESO and Crowns. I expect to spend the same next year. I will gladly purchase other Crown stuff, if they decide to offer that much other Crown stuff, but I will not buy Crown Crates. Crown Crates, to me, are harbingers of the twilight of the game.

UrbanMonk · October 2016

Nyghthowler wrote: »

Excuse me @ToxicPaws, but you owe me a retraction as this was NOT said by me.
I believe that was stated by @Deathgiggle . I'm not gonna scroll through all her statements to ascertain this.

@Nyghthowler - Apologies, as i messed up the quote brackets and your name came up in stead of @Deathgiggle . it was meant for him not you. Apologies again.

Mandragora · October 2016

I was expecting such threads - now, when all the fuss around one tamriel calmed down, it is time to work a bit on PR about the crates I guess...

Callous2208 · October 2016

The handful of people that get an exclusive item after 500 crowns will think these boxes are great. The 99% that don't see what they want after 50000 crowns will quit the game. They will flood the forums, YouTube, and gaming sites, denouncing ESO as a p2w/gamble box [SNIP]. New players will avoid it like the plague and full blown f2p will soon follow. That friends is how these things work. Every. Single. Time.

ZOS_PeterT · October 2016

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Nyghthowler · October 2016

ToxicPAWS wrote: »

Nyghthowler wrote: »

Excuse me @ToxicPaws, but you owe me a retraction as this was NOT said by me.
I believe that was stated by @Deathgiggle . I'm not gonna scroll through all her statements to ascertain this.

@Nyghthowler - Apologies, as i messed up the quote brackets and your name came up in stead of @Deathgiggle . it was meant for him not you. Apologies again.

Thank you. I just don't want my name associated with any hint of approval for gambling boxes. I have played too many other games that went this rout and I 100% disagree with them.

edited for quote commands not working correctly

billp_ESO · October 2016

I have no problem with people spending money to get items.

I also wish the game had special items that could ONLY be gotten by completing some difficult task.

"WOW! You have the Uber Sword of Doom! You must have finished the XXX dungeon! Nice work!"

Slurg · October 2016

A few people would choose to spend their money gambling for a chance at exclusive in-game items.
They are very happy they will be able to do this soon.
In order for those items to be exclusive, we will not be allowed to purchase them directly.
Those of us who like choosing what we purchase are not happy our choice is being taken away.
The people who are getting what they want say they should be allowed to spend their money the way they choose.
But they don't seem to understand that this means other people are having their choice taken away, or don't care.

Whether the appearance of gambling boxes signals the future destruction of the game or not is yet to be determined. But there is definitely a negative impact to a significant part of the player base here.

BigBragg · October 2016

billp_ESO wrote: »

I have no problem with people spending money to get items.

I also wish the game had special items that could ONLY be gotten by completing some difficult task.

"WOW! You have the Uber Sword of Doom! You must have finished the XXX dungeon! Nice work!"

Dyes.

Tandor · October 2016

alexkdd99 wrote: »

I am super hyped for the crates also. Just to watch all the crying babies complain. So funny to watch all the people get on their moral high horse.

The world will not end, eso will still be here after the crates.

And so will all the complainers be, despite all the rage-quit posts when the idea was announced.

Slurg · October 2016

billp_ESO wrote: »

I have no problem with people spending money to get items.

I also wish the game had special items that could ONLY be gotten by completing some difficult task.

"WOW! You have the Uber Sword of Doom! You must have finished the XXX dungeon! Nice work!"

No one in this thread has a problem with spending money to get cosmetic items.

The disagreement is about HOW you spend the money to get items.

JimT722 · October 2016

Tandor wrote: »

alexkdd99 wrote: »

I am super hyped for the crates also. Just to watch all the crying babies complain. So funny to watch all the people get on their moral high horse.

The world will not end, eso will still be here after the crates.

And so will all the complainers be, despite all the rage-quit posts when the idea was announced.

Many will quit. I loved KOTOR. I was very excited when they announced SWTOR. I quit that game for this crap and I will quit this too. Many others I'm sure feel the same way.

Lysette · October 2016

Tandor wrote: »

alexkdd99 wrote: »

I am super hyped for the crates also. Just to watch all the crying babies complain. So funny to watch all the people get on their moral high horse.

The world will not end, eso will still be here after the crates.

And so will all the complainers be, despite all the rage-quit posts when the idea was announced.

That is relative, I am on the Forum once in a while, but I am not playing the game anymore - a few times for a short while since August. I want to see if they are going through with it, disrespect their customers wish to not implement those crates.

Drummerx04 · October 2016

billp_ESO wrote: »

I have no problem with people spending money to get items.

I also wish the game had special items that could ONLY be gotten by completing some difficult task.

"WOW! You have the Uber Sword of Doom! You must have finished the XXX dungeon! Nice work!"

We sort of have that with maelstrom/master weapons, and the gold jewelry from vet trials. Dyes... not so much since I couldn't walk by someone and be like, "Oh wow, your medium yokudan jerkin dyed with Atherial White from defeating vSO hardmode looks really cool!" You have to really like dyes to be there.

kevlarto_ESO · October 2016

I do not plan on spending any money on them, my rng is the pits, but they are money makers and there is nothing in them that will make my character, faster stronger and all that kind of stuff.

But a lot of players enjoy them and I wish those folks the best of luck, have fun with them.

Lysette · October 2016

JimT722 wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

alexkdd99 wrote: »

I am super hyped for the crates also. Just to watch all the crying babies complain. So funny to watch all the people get on their moral high horse.

The world will not end, eso will still be here after the crates.

And so will all the complainers be, despite all the rage-quit posts when the idea was announced.

Many will quit. I loved KOTOR. I was very excited when they announced SWTOR. I quit that game for this crap and I will quit this too. Many others I'm sure feel the same way.

Indeed, I did that with Archeage because of this crap - and I will do with this one as well. What does not mean I would not post on the forum, people need to know what risk they take when they buy into these boxes.

Lysette · October 2016

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

I do not plan on spending any money on them, my rng is the pits, but they are money makers and there is nothing in them that will make my character, faster stronger and all that kind of stuff.

But a lot of players enjoy them and I wish those folks the best of luck, have fun with them.

And when those boxes are less attractive, what do you think will happen?- We will see items with extra features, first just slight advantages, later more and more going towards pay to win - this happened in pretty much every game, which went down that route and it will be with this the same. I do not believe ZOS for a moment, that they are not going to do that, if they have to. They show no morals whatsoever with this now, it can just get worse.

Callous2208 · October 2016

Lysette wrote: »

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

I do not plan on spending any money on them, my rng is the pits, but they are money makers and there is nothing in them that will make my character, faster stronger and all that kind of stuff.

But a lot of players enjoy them and I wish those folks the best of luck, have fun with them.

And when those boxes are less attractive, what do you think will happen?- We will see items with extra features, first just slight advantages, later more and more going towards pay to win - this happened in pretty much every game, which went down that route and it will be with this the same. I do not believe ZOS for a moment, that they are not going to do that, if they have to. They show no morals whatsoever with this now, it can just get worse.

Yep. That's how it works. I know I sound like a broken record but it's always the same thing. I can't name one game that added this system and did not go that route to boost sales.

JamilaRaj · October 2016

ZOS_PeterT wrote: »

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Yeah, but being happy about scamboxes does not necessarily mean one is baiting! There may be some genuinely gullible players out there.
Also, as your company presents scamboxes as something innocuous and cool, it would be inconsistent and a bit unfair to brutally moderate players for expressing such views on them!!!

Loralai_907 · October 2016

Deathgiggle wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

Deathgiggle wrote: »

That's the fun of it though, the mounts will actually be "rare." I can't stand it when everyone has the same cool mount as soon as it gets released. When you see a Crown Crate mount you will know the guy either got really lucky or had to pay out the beejebus fot it lol

Plus I like the fact that they will switch up the crates for holidays and special events and put special items in them if you purchase one during those times. Just adds a whole new element to the game for people like me. I know some kids can't afford it but why punish us adults who want to spend a little money on a game? it is my main hobby after all. My father likes to bass fish and he bought a 25k bass boat and hundreds every year on fuel, baits, rods and reels, etc.
My Uncle likes to play golf so he bought a fancy golf cart, a custom made set of clubs and pays green fees and club dues throughout the year.

I love video games, so I bought a big TV, a PS4 and don't mind spending a little bit here and there to support my habit :P
There are many more like me out there, in fact I was kind of shocked to learn how many adults play this game vs others I've played.

Yep. Either they got lucky, or they paid craploads of money for it.

I won't think, "Man, that is so cool.", or 'Wow, what a fantastic mount.". All I'll be thinking is "Oh man were they stupid." And then move on and not look twice.

So people are stupid for paying money for something? Are you serious? I think maybe you just don't have any extra money in life. Not judging, just that I work hard every day to make money to "buy" things that make "me" happy!! If a Coca-cola and a Twix bar on the way home from work makes me happy, then I'm gonna pick one up. Is it a waste of money?? I'm sure it is, I won't die without it but it makes me happy.

If I go to the dealership and buy a new car should I get the regular Toyota Camry cause that is what everyone else drives? I mean it's the easy one to get and everyone can afford the $299 a month right? What if I want the Corvette, should it be off limits? I mean if you want a normal white horse and you wanna save your pennies, then by all means ride that horsey until the sun goes down! I on the other hand like my life to be filled with flashier or more unique things.

Your also saying that people who buy Lottery tickets are idiots and wasting their money as well? Isn't the Lotto supposed to be fun, kind of like the new Crates? No one seriously plays the lotto to win, it's just a fun dream of hoping to win something if you get lucky.

I'm really sorry if you live at home with Mom and Pop and can't buy the cool stuff yet but if you did like me and my brother when we were young then maybe you can buy some Crowns. Get out and rake some leaves or shovel snow for some Crown money! Get a part time job at one of those fast food places like Dairy Queen or something. I do love the guy that serves me my Blizzard every Saturday

Ok, I have a question. If you went to the store and you wanted that coke and twix, but you could only get them by buying a blind bag, with a chance at getting those items, and you bought one and got a frickin turnip instead, would you LOVE that idea?

JimT722 · October 2016

I went to play dollar blackjack with 20$. After 40 minutes and 5 dealer changes I left with 17$. It was fun, and I felt like it was worth the money I lost. Casinos are designed with gambling in mind. Something bad happens when a video game starts making massive profits from gambling. It leads to the game trying to redesign and introduce features that tie into that system because it's profitable. If you want to gamble just go to a casino. It won't be good for this game and not one example I have ever seen has shown me otherwise.

Phica_Lovic · October 2016

billp_ESO wrote: »

I have no problem with people spending money to get items.

I also wish the game had special items that could ONLY be gotten by completing some difficult task.

"WOW! You have the Uber Sword of Doom! You must have finished the XXX dungeon! Nice work!"

Uh,
Public dungeons - pets
vMaelstrom Arena - polymorph
Imperial Sewers - Soulshriven skin/daedric pet
vWGT/vICP - Necrotic pet

And I'm sure there are more than I haven't thought of.

Oh wait!

vMoL - Dro-mathra skin
vRoM - Amberplasm skin
vCoS - Spiderkith

And I'm sure there is STILL more I haven't thought of.

Elsonso · October 2016

JimT722 wrote: »

I went to play dollar blackjack with 20$. After 40 minutes and 5 dealer changes I left with 17$. It was fun, and I felt like it was worth the money I lost. Casinos are designed with gambling in mind.

Yup. And that is why people go to a casino.

That is not generally at the top of the list for why people play RPG games.

Uriel_Nocturne · October 2016

lordrichter wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

I went to play dollar blackjack with 20$. After 40 minutes and 5 dealer changes I left with 17$. It was fun, and I felt like it was worth the money I lost. Casinos are designed with gambling in mind.

Yup. And that is why people go to a casino.

That is not generally at the top of the list for why people play RPG games.

Exactly.

And like someone else mentioned; the lady ZOS hired to manage this aspect of the game, has a trail of dead MMO's behind her on her path here.

Every MMO that has instituted similar methods of gambling-for-profit through RNG packages for real money, has gone P2W shortly after, and regular content releases (DLC) has slowed to a crawl as more and more development time goes towards creating nothing more than... shiny turds to go in those "crates".

No MMO has survived moves like these in their cash shops. None.

Callous2208 · October 2016

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

I went to play dollar blackjack with 20$. After 40 minutes and 5 dealer changes I left with 17$. It was fun, and I felt like it was worth the money I lost. Casinos are designed with gambling in mind.

Yup. And that is why people go to a casino.

That is not generally at the top of the list for why people play RPG games.

Exactly.

And like someone else mentioned; the lady ZOS hired to manage this aspect of the game, has a trail of dead MMO's behind her on her path here.

Every MMO that has instituted similar methods of gambling-for-profit through RNG packages for real money, has gone P2W shortly after, and regular content releases (DLC) has slowed to a crawl as more and more development time goes towards creating nothing more than... shiny turds to go in those "crates".

No MMO has survived moves like these in their cash shops. None.

Haha, that was me. Her LinkedIn profile was quite the read as well. I won't name her here because they'll shut the thread down, but it's quite a damming resume if you're a person who can't stand the way those f2p/p2w "games" do business.

Cazzy · October 2016

rotaugen454 · October 2016

I'll buy them if they include the chance of a mount that is a litter carried by avatars of Gina, Eric, Rich and Jess.

Sou_rou · October 2016

Deathgiggle wrote: »

Bought a bunch of Crowns during the sale and just gonna wait until the Crates are released!! I love lotto's, grab bags, and mystery boxes, so this fits right into my mentality! Good job ZOS!!

You just haaad to go swing a stick at the hornets' nest.

G0ku · October 2016

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The OP is baiting in the first place. And this time ppl love to feed the troll.